Perverted mind? May be it will be defended as "open-mind" by some! :lol2:Quote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
I dont think we need to be ashamed of anything! just laugh it off! :lol2:
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Perverted mind? May be it will be defended as "open-mind" by some! :lol2:Quote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
I dont think we need to be ashamed of anything! just laugh it off! :lol2:
Now that PP's safety is guaranteed! :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by P_R
Please go on spit it out PP. No matter what you say, you will be saved by the "savior"! :lol:
Well, if one accepts evolution as the reason for origin of life, what you jocularly say is seriously true :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by thamiz
அப்புறம் என்ன நீதி, ஒழுக்கம் எல்லாம் - கத்திரிக்காய்! கொரில்லாவுக்கும் நமக்கும் ஒரே நியதி தான் - உள்ளுணர்வு சொல்லுற மாதிரி நட! முடிஞ்சு போச்சு!
(Before you jump, I'm in the opposite camp to evolution) :-)
I think a free-thinker with a spiritual mind would say "You are old-fashioned and that you need to grow up and refine your thoughts. Understand filthy minds using spirituality! " :lol2:Quote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
கலாச்சார சீரழிவுனு கத்தினால், திற்ந்த பரந்த மனசுள்ள இளசுகள் எல்லாம் என்ன சொல்றாங்கன்னா, சும்மா கெடங்க! நம்ம "முன்னேறுகிறோம்"! :lol2:
இதுவும் முன்னேற்றம்தான் னு புரிஞ்ச்க்கனும்னு நெனைக்கிறேன்! Spiritual understanding of life would help! May be nidhyandha would explain it better or Kushboo! :lol:
And how easily are we branded as moral police/brigade! :argh: Isn't there a difference between the so-called moral police and the genuinely concerned elders? :banghead:
thamiz, amma arasiyalukku varappORaanga, London-la holiday mudinji thirumbinathum announcement to the press! Soniajikku oru kai kooduthu Kushboojiyaala!!! :huh: naan eppadi bayappadaama vaayai thiRakka mudiyum? :lol:
If it is true, then it seems like it is not the "hindu Gods" who saved Kushboo, it could very well be a "italian catholic" with a "political deal signed" for saving her "neck"! :lol2:Quote:
Originally Posted by pavalamani pragasam
Killing of Dalit father, daughter a matter of shame, says Sonia - From The Hindu (May 1, 2010)
http://www.hindu.com/2010/05/01/stor...0156492000.htm
It is very interesting to note how selective some of the vocal defenders of our ancient civilization, moral code and culture are on the issues that they want to be vocal about. When an "outsider" like Kushboo and an "Italian Catholic" like Sonia Gandhi say or do things that disturb our serene sense of cultural bliss, we get very offended, and become vocal telling everyone that those people are wrong. When the Supreme Court of India rules that what Kushboo stated was not criminal in nature, we are upset, and argue that the judges do not know what they are talking about! When a "cultured" and "civilized" mob burns down a Harijan and his daughter to death in the presence of revenue and police officials, we either pretend that the incident did not happen or it is not important enough for us to waste our time talking about. When someone wants to discuss the comments of a visitor to India about the poor public sanitation conditions in India, that person is taken to task for quoting a "foreigner" who does not know anything about our great Indian civilization and culture. When our own Suhasini makes statements supporting Kushboo, is taken to court for saying what she said, and the court decides that what she said was not criminal in nature, we either pretend that we do not hear that or do not want to comment about that.
I have tried to stay off the discussions on such subjects, but just could not help making these observations. My posting is not aimed at offending or upsetting any of the esteemed participants of this forum.
raagadevan,
Please check my comment in another thread on this.
If you're visiting Detroit someday (or me visiting your place) we need to have a session with lot of kuppies to boil over such.
Hub isn't the place :-(
Who is that "WE" here? :roll:Quote:
Originally Posted by raagadevan
We need to lynch the animals who did that crime! That is the feeling we all get! :evil:
I dont think any of us have difference in opinion in this issue!
:thumbsup: :DQuote:
Originally Posted by raagadevan
It's not just the case of a Harijan being burnt! I don't think he was talking abt the persecution of a section of people. Anyone who is burnt must be treated with the same sympathy and anger! Be it, A Harijan, A Victim at the Godhra train Burning, Graham Stains, or the hacking of a Hindu Makkal Katchi leader in Madurai a couple years back. Which wing of politics the subject belongs to is irrelevant. Which Indian Social Status the subject belongs to is also Irrelevant. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by thamiz
If anything, India's Cultural Identity should rest on being Compassionate and Welcoming, (Credited to Gandhi's Movement which got the World's Attention. If u r talking abt India's "Pre-Gandhi" Cultural Identity, then it's just a question of "How Far Back Do You Want To Go?" Indian Culture has existed for thousands of years, and a lot of things have changed in the course of time before as well.) India's Democratic Identity should rest on implementation of democratic Rights like "Freedom of Speech" and "Freedom Of Expression."
Both of these identities are destroyed when Kushboo is faced with the kind of treatment that she got for her opinions. Calling her an outsider just makes things a lot worse! Same thing goes for Sonia (I'm not gonna call her "JI" :P )
Just because these ppl are "outsiders", doesn't make their Opinions any less Important, or any more right or wrong than any "insider's" Opinion. :) It's a freaggin opinion for crying out loud!!! :curse: :P
Surya: What are you up to? :D
He was telling that there are more serious issues like murder but we are discussing about "less-serious issues" and ignore or care less about issues which we really should be ashamed of.Quote:
I don't think he was talking abt the persecution of a section of people.
Thamiz: Sup. :D On leave for the past few days, which is good, I'm Hubbing more now! :D What abt u? Long Time! :D
Exactly, so would you have the same reaction for the other things mentioned by me in the post? The victims in the train etc. :) :twisted: (Step Into my Web)Quote:
He was telling that there are more serious issues like murder but we are discussing about "less-serious issues" and ignore or care less about issues which we really should be ashamed of.
நமது முற்போக்காளர்களுக்காக......
Sat, May 1 12:35 PM
London, May 1 (ANI): A 72-year-old granny and her own grandson are set to have a baby, according to reports.
Pearl Carter, from Indiana, is reportedly having an incestuous affair with her 26-year-old grandchild Phil Bailey, reports The Sun.
And she's now using her pension to pay 54,000 dollars to a surrogate mother so they can have a child, say reports in New Idea magazine in New Zealand.
Pearl said: "I'm not interested in anyone else's opinion. I am in love with Phil and he's in love with me. Soon I'll be holding my son or daughter in my arms and Phil will be the proud dad."
Phil is the son of Pearl's daughter Lynette Bailey - who the pensioner put up for adoption when she was just 18, the magazine reported. When Lynette died, Phil tracked down his long lost gran and they started their relationship.
Pearl told New Idea: "From the first moment that I saw him, I knew we would never have a grandmother-grandson relationship. For the first time in years I felt sexually alive."
Pearl said: "I called Phil into my bedroom, sat him on the bed, and then I leant over and kissed him. "I expected rejection but instead he kissed me back."
Phil revealed to the magazine: "I wanted to kiss her there and then. My feelings were overwhelming. "I love Pearl with all my heart. I've always been attracted to older women and I think Pearl is gorgeous. Now I'm going to be a dad and I can't wait. Yes, we get laughed at and bullied when we go out and kiss in public but we don't care. You can't help who you fall for."
Pearl said: "I am finally going to be a mum and not forced to give up my child. Phil's going to be a great dad. I never in a million years thought at 72 I'd be 'pregnant' and in love with my grandson. I make no apologies and I believe God's given me a second chance."
http://in.news.yahoo.com/139/2010050...h-her-gra.html
இந்த கன்றாவி என் கண்ணுலயும் பட்டுச்சி! :banghead:
:roll: :banghead: :sigh2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Punnaimaran
Kamman yaar, whats wrong in this? Two grown ups decided and did something which they liked. Who are we to interfere in their private affairs? :D This is an ADVANCED society u know.
I Feel Sorry for that Kid!! Wonder how his health's gonna be. :sigh:
Pearl is probably going to die in labor.
:lol: I guess therez gonna be plenty of consequences for this bizarre and slightly nauseating love story. :roll:
But saying or thinking that liberal would be okay with this is the equivalent of "Cultured People" being branded as Seniks who go around lynching youngsters on Valentine's Day. :thumbsup: :smokesmirk:
Liberals - Joker - No Rules
Conservatives - A hard Batman - Schemer with lots of intense and far more rules to monitor people each and every moment.
What do we need? A Balanced Batman? Joker?
HAHAHAHAHAHA!! That Depends Mr. Law & Order....In a 'Nazi'-Like Facist Society, A Joker is the need of the Hour! Someone who causes Anarchy to destroy the Established Order. Not someone who "Monitors people each and every moment!"
But in a Free Society, where People are free, It's better to be the Batman.... If it is a free society, A Joker wouldn't be Necessary, he's would hence forth, disappear. Considering that we both are using a Free Society as our Objective. :huh: But For a free Society, battle is essential to establish superiority over those who "have intense and far more rules to monitor people each and every moment."
Catch my Drift?
Thats a catch! The problem is who will guard the guards or monitor the monitors.
That's why it's a Loosing Battle! :twisted:
But the implications are far too dangerous! It's like driving without brakes and roadsigns / signals. Nobody would want to be in such a mess.
IMO having couple of more signals to ensure a safer drive is always better than having no signals at all to facilitate faster free drive.
Driving is something that needs to go exactly as planned, Life isn't. Infact, it's the unplanned things that makes life worth living. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by sathya_1979
We not asking for a no signal road, we're just asking for a faster Carpool Lane. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by sathya_1979
I'm not talking abt a lawless land. :notthatway: I'm talking abt a land where people are free to live their lives the way they want as long as they're not hurting anyone else.
But, the problem raised by the most of the advocates of liberal society is "Who will frame the laws and how frequently they shud get revised / updated". Free Land with some amount of control is a oxymoron in itself!Quote:
Originally Posted by Surya
So it's either live in a Society where the Masses are directed where they are to go with their life, and what choices they have to take by a "Morale Elite", or live the life of a Hippie?
There is an Enormous Gray Spot, it's not all black or white.
Societies will Change...that's the natural order of things. People adapt to the time... That's whats going on in India now. :) But throwing restraints, and chainging a society to one thing which a group find to be "Morally Acceptable" isn't the way for a Democratic Nation. :) Rule By The People. 8-)Quote:
"Who will frame the laws and how frequently they shud get revised / updated".
Rule by the people - Explain pls
Kinda walked into that one: :banghead:
Damage Control:
Let the people choose their life and Destiny!
I have a question:::
If a group of "Morale Elite" tell ppl what they can and cannot do (Aside from the Judiciary System), then where do u draw the line?
We've had several Centuries of Human Rights Violation in Our Country, by following just that. (Blindly following a single or multiple groups, because they apparently know better)
Letting things change course over time is the Natural way of things.
If we go into a dark, dangerous path (A Serious Dark and Dangerous Path, one that hasn't been tested by several nations before unlike Premarital Sex or Homosexuality, or has been tested, and proven to be a Horrible Mistake), then trust me, even we, the so called "moral degenerates" will join the fight to oppose it. :)
Obstacle #1: If A Group Can Tell People Whats Right or Wrong based on Past Culture, then Where do you think for yourself and Make your own decisions? How would you feel if another group of people who don't agree with your views, come to power and start controlling you life through Moral Codes?
Obstacle #2: Without getting into the whole "it's my life, who are you to tell me how to live" Extravaganza, In a Free Society, People are free to do as they please with their lives, as long as they don't bother anyone else. So if that Basic Right, it taken away, then what are we? A Democracy? A Type of Moral Dictatorship?
Obstacle #3: I get that the elders don't want us to do anything bad...to ruin our lives, they are genuinely scared for us and our future, so they just want us to play safe and by the book, and that is Mighty Sweet of all of you. But life is so much more than "playing it safe" :) Every generation does things that their previous Generations frowned upon...I'm sure you guys did too. Love marriages are a big one to point at. So are Inter-Caste and Inter-Religion marriages.
Ha Ha! This is a viscious circle without a start and an end. "Let the people choose their life and Destiny!" and "have minimal or safe rules" dnt co-exist. As u rightly pointed out, the biggest problem faced by both so-called liberals and conservatives is where to draw the line and who will draw / protect that line! NIce topic to discuss and share thoughts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Surya
Under realistic Parameters. :) If a person thinks it's his or her destiny to marry a cow, it's just wrong because....well....poor cow. :huh:Quote:
"Let the people choose their life and Destiny!" and "have minimal or safe rules"
And there is no question of "What if there a group of ppl in the future who advocate Cow Marriage?"
Because theres no way to finding whether the cow accepts to this 6 legged inter-species cha-cha! Where it's easy to know if the other person in a Pre-Marital Live in relationship or a Homosexual marriage/relationship is consenting or not. :P
:yes: :2thumbsup:Quote:
NIce topic to discuss and share thoughts.
Slain Delhi journalist’s parents arrested
(Honour Killing/Murder?)
http://beta.thehindu.com/news/nation...?homepage=true
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/I...ow/5885616.cms
Abominable!
But heartening to see more tolerance in parents these days, at least in our parts of the world! In one generation the number of intercaste, interstate, intercountry marriages with parents' consent and auspices have increased multifold in my own community!
Why do you need minimal rule?Quote:
Originally Posted by sathya_1979
What is SAFE?
And what is MINIMAL?
And who defines those terms such "what is minimal" and what is safe?
YOU?? :roll: Who are you to define that? Are you defining them for yourself or for me too?
http://www.dailythanthi.com/article..../5/2010&advt=1
Karnataka minister resigns and disappears after a rape scandal shot up.
http://www.dailythanthi.com/article....sdate=5/5/2010
Is it so difficult for parents to know exactly where the work location of their unmarried daughter is?
That too when it's in the same state? That too in a conservative state like TN? I remember parents going with their daughters for interview, joining the job etc those days. Or at least know the office where she works.
It looks like parents are becoming too uncaring these days.
Thamizh, are you asking me these questions? :roll: If you can read the conversation between myself and Surya, you can understand these are precisely the points I raised. I mentioned it is too difficult to identify people who define rules, identify what is safe and minimal and almost impossible to monitor the monitors. Who will draw the line with optimal length and who will protect them?Quote:
Originally Posted by thamiz