lets discuss the various tamil dialects

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29th January 2006, 01:07 PM
pooja.shankar

lets discuss the various tamil dialects

ok people in this thread lets talk abt the various tamil dialects

Madras Tamil - its beauty

The aesthetic quality of Madras Tamil comes from the fact that a classical language like Tamil is given that contemporary touch by the constructive intrusions from many other languages.

So then, going on to the intricacies of Madras Tamil, used majorly by college guys, teekadai-nairs, and autokarans:

1. Tamil minimised
Padiththu (read), mudiththu (complete), sabiththu (curse) will be gracefully shortened as 'pachchi', 'muchchi', 'sabchi'.
As a corollary, 'padiththu kondirukkiren' = 'pachchi-nikkeeren', 'kuliththu kondirukkiren' = 'kulchi-nikkeeren'.

2. 'Nee' or 'Neenga'?
Madras Tamil does not usually use 'neenga' and 'nee' in different contexts.
In fact, 'nee' is used most of the times. This is not a deliberate attempt to degrade someone in public, but to offer a level playing field for everyone. So if the auto-karan asks 'engaponum unakku?' do not feel offended.

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3. 'Da' word
'Da' is used by all IIT guys and all policemen, for quite different reasons! The tone of 'ennada, licence enga, vootlaya?' and 'what da, where is the jantha da?' are self-explanatory. Incidentally, all words beginning with 'vee' can be unconditionally substituted with 'voo'. So 'veedu' = 'voodu' and 'vittuvidu' = 'vuttudu'.

Coming back to 'da', an euphemism for that would be 'ba'. So, a 'ennada' would be made to sound much less offensive with 'ennaba'. Other less effective words, principally used among friends, include 'naina', 'vaadhyaare', 'machi', 'brether' (brother), 'allo' (hello)... the list is endless. When it comes to expressing intimacy and friendship, Madras Tamil is the best in the world.

4. Pronouncing 'zha'
The syllable 'zha' (as in Tamizh) becomes 'ya'. So, 'vaazhai pazham' is 'vaaya payam', 'vaazhkai' is 'vaaykai', 'vazhukki' is 'vaykki'. Off the record, 'zha' is a pain. More than 95 per cent of Tamil Nadu substitutes it with 'ya' or 'la'.

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5. The English effect
When it comes to borrowing words from other languages 'Madrassukku nigar Madrasse'. English words can be used in any context without one feeling alien. 'wrongu', 'rightu', 'yechuse me', 'adjist', 'abase', 'abscond', 'beetiful figuru' and so on.

6. Special slang
Some special words exist - and they can be used any place. Like 'Lord Labakdas', 'pistha', 'peter'. The origin of these words is unknown. These kinds of words mostly arise from the language used in movies (remember Vivek and Lord Labakdas?)

Tamil spoken at Ethiraj, Stella Maris, MOP and all other girls college is entirely different and beyond the scope of this article.

source: http://www.chennaionline.com/panoram...outhclub44.asp
by Srinivasa Ramanujam
Published on Nov 3rd, 2004
29th January 2006, 01:26 PM
ajithfederer

Nothing comes best like Coimbatore Kongu Tamil

Everyone will be addressed wth respect

yenuga, ennengaa, enga poreeenga..................

Mariyathai therinja oorula No 1:

COIMBATORE

Proud To Be An Coimbatorean
29th January 2006, 01:47 PM
great

pooja, :shock: :shock: :shock:
29th January 2006, 01:51 PM
villan007

Quote:

Originally Posted by ajithfederer

Nothing comes best like Coimbatore Kongu Tamil

Everyone will be addressed wth respect

yenuga, ennengaa, enga poreeenga..................

Mariyathai therinja oorula No 1:

COIMBATORE

Proud To Be An Coimbatorean

:notworthy: :notworthy:
me too :thumbsup:
29th January 2006, 01:51 PM
villan007

Quote:

Originally Posted by great

pooja, :shock: :shock: :shock:

enna aachu :lol: :lol:
29th January 2006, 01:52 PM
great

Quote:

Originally Posted by villan007

Quote:

Originally Posted by great

pooja, :shock: :shock: :shock:

enna aachu :lol: :lol:

such a lengthy post....anyway i would check this after a week 8-)
29th January 2006, 05:10 PM
pooja.shankar

hmmm okay
29th January 2006, 07:35 PM
Thiru

wrong forum..
29th January 2006, 07:46 PM
Lambretta

Re: lets discuss the various tamil dialects

Quote:

Originally Posted by pooja.shankar

Madras Tamil - its beauty

The aesthetic quality of Madras Tamil comes from the fact that a classical language like Tamil is given that contemporary touch by the constructive intrusions from many other languages.

U serious?? :shock: :roll: :P
Neways, as Thiru says, wrong thread to discuss this.......
29th January 2006, 07:53 PM
P_R

Why, I guess this the right forum for this thread ? Should it be in History, Culture ? hmmm
29th January 2006, 09:23 PM
pavalamani pragasam

By "forum" altogether means the Hub or any of its sections???
29th January 2006, 11:53 PM
Thiru

Quote:

Originally Posted by pavalamani pragasam

By "forum" altogether means the Hub or any of its sections???

I meant the section.. The thread was originally posted in Tamil films section...
30th January 2006, 12:05 AM
Sanjeevi

Wov Pooja, you are nearby me on thinking tamil. IMHO Madurai tamil is the most original and dominates in cine field also. And Coimbatore tamil, Nellai tamil are also :thumbsup:.

Channai :banghead:

I think people in villages are the true tamilian (only) in tamil pronountiation. They can't speak any Sanskrit, english sounds such as J, S. Even my mummy couldn't speak Rajini, Vijay, Ajith (Rasini, visai, Aseeth)
30th January 2006, 11:16 PM
kannannn

A glaring omission is Srilankan tamil. Their tamil is so musical, that it makes tamil sound good (which I otherwise feel is a bit harsh on the ears compared to other languages).
31st January 2006, 09:56 AM
NOV

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31st January 2006, 11:38 AM
goodsense

I think many of us here would agree with you Nov. We felt the same since the thread was opened, but did not want to lay accusations :wink:
31st January 2006, 12:05 PM
pooja.shankar

hmm

Quote:

Originally Posted by NOV

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sure .....but i got this as a forwarded mail ..thought i ll share it here .....
if thts not appreciated ......its okay ...i wunt here after ...
31st January 2006, 04:14 PM
crazy

what about Ilangai tamil? i guess they speak in more polite way! specially when they talk to the young ones!
2nd February 2006, 03:07 AM
stranger

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazy

specially when they talk to the young ones!

Could you show few examples :?:
2nd February 2006, 06:49 AM
NOV

Re: hmm

Quote:

Originally Posted by pooja.shankar

sure .....but i got this as a forwarded mail ..thought i ll share it here .....
if thts not appreciated ......its okay ...i wunt here after ...

It's really not that difficult to get the source. A simple google search revealed....

http://www.chennaionline.com/panoram...outhclub44.asp
by Srinivasa Ramanujam
Published on Nov 3rd, 2004
2nd February 2006, 02:09 PM
crazy

hi mr. stranger
the ilangai tamils speaks in plural form to the young ones, even if they are their own kids.
for.ins. thambi ammakku athai edhudhu thango!!
when a mother speak to her own kids as well as somebody else kids they talk in very decent and plural form!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2nd February 2006, 02:25 PM
pooja.shankar

Re: hmm

Quote:

Originally Posted by NOV

Quote:

Originally Posted by pooja.shankar

sure .....but i got this as a forwarded mail ..thought i ll share it here .....
if thts not appreciated ......its okay ...i wunt here after ...

It's really not that difficult to get the source. A simple google search revealed....

http://www.chennaionline.com/panoram...outhclub44.asp
by Srinivasa Ramanujam
Published on Nov 3rd, 2004

NOV.....if i have time i ll do tht ......or I ll jus .......write it as a forwarded mail..is that okay ?
3rd February 2006, 05:00 AM
stranger

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazy

hi mr. stranger
the ilangai tamils speaks in plural form to the young ones, even if they are their own kids.
for.ins. thambi ammakku athai edhudhu [b]thango![/b]!
when a mother speak to her own kids as well as somebody else kids they talk in very decent and plural form!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks, crazy! (It really sounds crazy when I have to address you :) )

How do they tell when the kid did something really wrong and they are really mad at the kid and want to say "not to do that" any more.

Will they still use the "respect" or it will change then?

I am just trying to learn. So please do not misunderstand me here! :)
3rd February 2006, 05:33 AM
rajraj

stranger: It is not just in Srilanka. In some parts of Tamilnadu also the young ones are addressed with respect.

thambi vaanga, thambi saapidunga, thambi appadi seyaadheenga. saappidunga ayyaa. First time I was exposed to that I was surprised.
3rd February 2006, 05:35 AM
rajraj

stranger: It is not just in Srilanka. In some parts of Tamilnadu also the young ones are addressed with respect.

thambi vaanga, thambi saapidunga, thambi appadi seyaadheenga. saappidunga ayyaa. First time I was exposed to that I was surprised.
3rd February 2006, 07:22 AM
pooja.shankar

madras tamil ....is the hardest is my opinion and its t he funniest too
3rd February 2006, 01:13 PM
crazy

well mr. stranger,
it has been a long time since i was a kid and someone really got mad at me. since u r asking, i will listen now on very careefully what and how people r yelling to the young ones and whether they use the "respect" or not!
3rd February 2006, 08:05 PM
stranger

Thanks, raj! :)

Thanks, crazy! I think I got the answer! :D
9th February 2006, 02:05 AM
stranger

I am sure srilankan tamils have a dialect!

Would you all agree if I say:

* KK district,

* coimbatore and gownder belt

* thirunelvEli thamizh

* madurai thamizh

* chennai and chengal pattu thamizh

* thanjaavoor thamizh

are all different dialects?

How would one differentiate a dialect from the "slang" or "colloquial thamizh in different parts of TN" :?:

Do they mean the same? :oops:
13th February 2006, 04:04 PM
pooja.shankar

Re: hmm

Quote:

Originally Posted by NOV

Quote:

Originally Posted by pooja.shankar

sure .....but i got this as a forwarded mail ..thought i ll share it here .....
if thts not appreciated ......its okay ...i wunt here after ...

It's really not that difficult to get the source. A simple google search revealed....

http://www.chennaionline.com/panoram...outhclub44.asp
by Srinivasa Ramanujam
Published on Nov 3rd, 2004

I JUST RELEASED SOMETHING .....

i had already mentioned the source !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
check it out THiru
14th February 2006, 05:59 AM
NOV

Re: hmm

Quote:

Originally Posted by pooja.shankar

I JUST RELEASED SOMETHING .....

i had already mentioned the source !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
check it out THiru

No. 1, I am not Thiru. :roll:
No. 2, I inserted the source in your original post, so that the Hub doesn't infringe any copyright issues. :roll::roll:
26th March 2006, 10:02 AM
Alien

Quote:

Originally Posted by stranger

How do they tell when the kid did something really wrong and they are really mad at the kid and want to say "not to do that" any more.

Will they still use the "respect" or it will change then?

I am just trying to learn. So please do not misunderstand me here! :)

When they yell to their kids, they mostly use singular & harsh words at time too ... But if they were to yell infront of ppl other than their family , then they mostly would still use plural form("respect") ! ....
And usually at home they use both plural form and sngular to address their kids , actually mostly plural ! ......
When acquainting with new ppl, they would use plural form till they become close with each other(that would be after a handful of talks) ! (be it 2 guys of same age or a guy 10 years elder than the other)

When I first came to aus & met guys from India, I felt so odd , coz the 2nd minute after we met, they would use singular form !! I was like what !!!!! :shock: .... but then I didn't mind it ..... got used to it ....
:)
2nd April 2006, 08:01 PM
Malayalathaan

In Kerala we have different dialects, but I would also consider Malayalam itself as a Tamil dialect! ;)

The use of "da" and "ra" is part of the Malayalam language, but you only use it for your friends, and colleagues, not for elders and respectable people. For example, if I was tellin my younger brother to take something, I would say "edraa!", or if I tell him to let go, "vidraa!". Or if I tell him to come, I would say "vaada", and if I tell him to go "podaa!". :)