Origin of Hindi and Urdu

[Surya]

I wonder why the mods have not taken out crap's post since it scraps of the AIT. How is it when we say something about the AIT it gets erased?

[HindustaniLadka]

Urdu speakers in India must not be confused with the Urdu speakers in Pakistan.

Most of the Pakistani Urdu speakers ethnically belong to one race - Punjabi. Their sharp facial bone structure and light complexion easily gives away their race.

However, most of the Indian Urdu speakers ethnically don't belong to any single dominant race. You can find Punjabis, Pashtuns, Sindhis, Bengalis, Kashmiris, Malayalees and even scheduled people in India who speak Urdu. The differing facial bone structures (sharp to oval) and complexions (light to dark) are a living evidence.

:P

Seriously, if you think people are a different race because htey speak a different language...you must also beleive that all the black Africans in Africa are made up of thousands of different races...since there are thousands of tribes all over Africa that speak very different languages from each other...

[napolims445]

haha...haha...MOD

[Devarishii]

[Idiappam]

Yes, Devarishii! Sometimes it is better if you say nothing!

[sundararaj]

I heard that both Urdu and Hindi are developed basically as a language for controlling elephants and Horses !!

[Rohit]

Normally; most people with average mental capacity hold language as nothing more than just a communication medium, which is true, only when it comes to the use of a language. But such perception is absolutely false when it comes to grasp the exact developmental and evolutionary course of the language. The notion, that language is nothing more than just a medium of communication, completely falls over when one closely examines the whole evolutionary process involved in the development of a language.

The level of evolution of a language directly reflects the level of cognitive development of the people who developed that particular language.

Here is some more light on the state of affairs between the cognitive endowments of the societies and the development of their languages:

Society, Culture, Nation and such other words, encapsulate the concept of Civilisation, which consequently entails people or public as a whole.

Public broadly divides into two groups: - Intellectuals and General Public or masses

The Intellectual Group further divides into two governing categories: - Honest and Corrupt

Similarly, the General Public also divides into two predominant categories: - Aware and Impetuous

Though, it is normal to expect Intellectuals and General Public somewhere in the middle of the pertinent categories, the following analytical discussion is based on the undiluted, predominant categories listed above.

For a civilisation to come into being and develop, interaction between the intellectuals and general public, no matter how significant or insignificant it may be, is inevitable and this is a fundamental ground upon which the formation of any society can be based. Based on the above four categories of human conducts, the following four sets of social interaction process that can take place among the people can be identified.

Intellectuals -- General Public
1) Honest -- Aware
2) Honest -- Impetuous
3) Corrupt -- Aware
4) Corrupt -- Impetuous

The quality of such interaction may change over time. Nonetheless, it is essentially a very slow process and it takes several generations for a society to identify requisite changes for improvements and advancement in the state of affairs of language development, which is essentially achieved by the quality of the operative feedback loops.

The process begins with some sort of communication between the people. In order to establish any communication, the invention and use of languages was only natural and logical course. For a language to be comprehensible and intelligible to all people involved, the development and grasp of various concepts that could provide means for common mental representations of people, places, objects, events, situations, activities; and other concrete and abstracts terms are absolutely essential. Thus, concepts form the basic building blocks of human thoughts and then become the foundation of mental categories, which people use for classification, in evaluating information, in making decisions and then act accordingly. This way, concepts get firmly planted in language and in turn the entire process forms a strong psychological bond between concept formation and evolution of the language.

Thus:

- The power of language reflects people’s ability to form clear and strong concepts, which in turn depends on the quality of interaction process that is operative among the group of people at a given period of time-frame.

- The level of evolution of language directly reflects the quality of cognitive endowments of the society that speaks that language.

- Language forms the fundamental base of human cognitive process, which develops and evolves over generations and centuries depending on the existing communicable thoughts and knowledge.

- The level of evolution of language directly reflects the level of progress and advancement of the society.

- The level of evolution of language directly reflects the quality of interaction among the various members of the society in question.

The following are the representative examples of the developmental courses of four societies based upon the evolution of their languages

1) Honest -- Aware

Concepts: - Clear
Language: - Evolved
Cognitive Process: - Actualising
Society: - Developed
Feedback: - Generative

2) Honest -- Impetuous

Concepts: - Cogent
Language: - Developed
Cognitive Process: - Effective
Society: - Latent
Feedback: - Restorative

3) Corrupt -- Aware

Concepts: - Vague
Language: - Deceptive
Cognitive Process: - Pretentious
Society: - Crippled
Feedback: - Restorative

4) Corrupt -- Impetuous

Concepts: - Weak
Language: - Slender
Cognitive Process: - Obscured
Society: - Backward
Feedback: - Degenerative

It should not put too much of a strain on the peoples' minds wanting to conclude where both of these languages; in fact, any of the 26 or so Indian languages stand, not in terms of the number of their speakers, but in terms of their abilities to serve the demands and sophistication required in the communication needs of today and future.

[SRS]

The level of evolution of language directly reflects the quality of cognitive endowments of the society that speaks that language.

So, how relevant is Sanskrit today? Huet replies: "How relevant is Internet in this Kali Yuga? Let us not be too arrogant with technology, please."

"Relevance of something depends upon its usefulness. Sanskrit is rich with applicable information," explains Sudhatma. "Sanskrit covers almost all practical subjects, whether it is tool manufacturing, medicine preparation or astronomical research."

Jiten, who holds a degree in computer science, points to the potential of Sanskrit as the most advanced computer language: "NASA and many research firms have been looking at it as a possible computer language since its syntax is perfect and leaves little room for error."

"Sanskrit is like a timeless work by a great artist. Present day regional languages borrow more than 80 per cent words from Sanskrit. It is significant in this Internet age, just as it was useful earlier," adds Yelagalawadi.

http://www.rediff.com/netguide/2003/jul/24sanskrit.htm

[Rohit]

A language becomes dead when the quality of cognitive endowments of the people that speaks that language degenerates, rendering them incapable of forming new and advanced concepts, which eventually drives the language to its extinction.

A language becomes dead when it ceases to evolve; for it becomes incapable of remaining the base of human cognitive process and it is no longer useful in communicating existing communicable thoughts and knowledge.

A language becomes dead when it becomes incapable of serving the communication needs of the time.

A language becomes dead when it becomes useless in the progress and advancement of the society.

A language becomes extinct when interaction in that language ceases.

[SRS]

According to G.H. Hardy, renowned British mathematician, most of theoretical mathematics has no application or usefulness to the "real world." Nevertheless, this does not decrease the "value" of theoretical mathematics. As Hardy states, mathematics provides its own justification. Those who assign sweeping "value" judgements to an entire field, for example, mathematics or linguistics, usually do not have deep familiarity with the subject matter of which they speak, rather, their knowledge is limited to a certain portion of the subject matter. For example, an engineer may use laplace transforms in the day-to-day work by referring to a standard table, but only a professional mathematician will take the time to derive the transform and justifiy the properties of the transform using an axiomatic scheme. Very clearly, one can see the difference in insight. As well as the relative meaning of the term "useful."

"It is undeniable that a good deal of elementary mathematics-- and I use the word 'elementary' in the sense in which professional mathematicians use it, in which it includes, for example, a fair working knowledge of the differential and integral calculus) has considerable practical utility. These parts of mathematics are, on the whole, rather dull; they are the parts which have the least aesthetic value. The 'real' mathematics of the 'real' mathematicians, the mathematics of Fermat and Euler and Gauss and Abel and Riemann, is almost wholly 'useless'(and this is as true of 'applied' as of 'pure' mathematics. It is not possible to justify the life of any genuine professional mathematician on the ground of the 'utility' of his work."

- A Mathematician's Apology, by G. H. Hardy