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8th November 2005, 11:14 AM
#101
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Dear 'tacinema'....
Your questions are correct. Karnan, Sivandha Mann, Motor Sundaram Pillai...are not utter flop movies. They had run more than 100 days in some cities. But comparing to their oppenents Vettaikaaran, Nam Naadu, Anbe Vaa.... Sivaji's movies did not get that much hit and collection. (Enga Oor raja is a flop, no doubt).
Particularly 'Karnan' was defeated by 'Vettaikaaran' is undigestable even by MGR fans of past and present. Even now also, who are watching both films, surprising how Vettaikaaran defeated a big budgetted and quality movie 'Karnan', which possess all aspects for a mega hit movie.
Same like that MGR's 'Idhaya Veenai' also crossed 100 days, but comparing to the mega hit of 'Vasantha Maaligai' it has not added as a hit movie.
As you mentioned, hero worship is not only in Tamil Nadu, but in Andhra (NTR Dhevudu kaaru) and karnataka (Rajkumar) and also spreaded to Hindi when Abitab enetered the field.
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8th November 2005 11:14 AM
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8th November 2005, 12:16 PM
#102
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Originally Posted by
saradhaa_sn
Dear 'tacinema'....
Your questions are correct. Karnan, Sivandha Mann, Motor Sundaram Pillai...are not utter flop movies. They had run more than 100 days in some cities. But comparing to their oppenents Vettaikaaran, Nam Naadu, Anbe Vaa.... Sivaji's movies did not get that much hit and collection. (Enga Oor raja is a flop, no doubt).
Particularly 'Karnan' was defeated by 'Vettaikaaran' is undigestable even by MGR fans of past and present. Even now also, who are watching both films, surprising how Vettaikaaran defeated a big budgetted and quality movie 'Karnan', which possess all aspects for a mega hit movie.
Same like that MGR's 'Idhaya Veenai' also crossed 100 days, but comparing to the mega hit of 'Vasantha Maaligai' it has not added as a hit movie.
As you mentioned, hero worship is not only in Tamil Nadu, but in Andhra (NTR Dhevudu kaaru) and karnataka (Rajkumar) and also spreaded to Hindi when Abitab enetered the field.
really? ............karnan is such a great movie......how come it be defeated....its my favourite shivaji movie...he is so stylish in that movie
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8th November 2005, 01:37 PM
#103
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Originally Posted by
nilavupriyan
really?
............karnan is such a great movie......how come it be defeated....its my favourite shivaji movie...he is so stylish in that movie
Nilavu sir,
For fans like you, I made a post in 'Nadigar thilagam Sivaji Ganesan' thread in this forum, about the movie 'Karnan'.
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8th November 2005, 08:37 PM
#104
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Saradhaa,
Thanks for clarification. Karnan got defeated by Vettaikkaran?? MGR's Vettaikkaran is a trash, except songs and Savitri's acting. Somehow, our people failed to appreciate quality against charisma....
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10th November 2005, 12:26 AM
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http://www.intamm.com/movies/history/history3.htm
A superstar who dominated Tamil film scene for three decades M.G.Ramachandran or "M.G.R.". Making his debut in Ellis R. Dungan’s "Sathi Leelavathi" (1936) in a small role he made his way up, up and up - playing small and indifferent roles in the beginning and steadily to more important roles.
In 1947 he appeared as hero in the film "Rajakumari" (1947), directed by A.S.A. Sami. M.G. Ramachandran worked hard to create a personal image as a good Samaritan, do-gooder of the underdog, under privileged, depressed, dispossessed and suffering multitudes. Working with care he chose and moulded his scripts to suit and project such image.
He came out enormously successfully in such image building, which made him an idol of the masses and icon. This popularity and mass following as a bright ever ready to come to the aid of damsels in distress, and champion of the sufferings of ill-treated womanhood. His charisma was so great that the common man and woman of all ages saw the difference or distinction between his screen and real life personalities. This aspect of his life and career awaits a detailed study by a competent psychologist.
Politically active from his early days MGR, with C.N.Annadurai and became his ardent devotee. MGR utilized the powerful medium of cinema as a tool of change to project his ideology, ideas, aims, ambitions, objectives and goals. Through his films, he spread the message of uplifting of the down trodden in which he found amazing success.
"Nadodi Mannan" (1958). This film in color was produced and directed by MGR who also played in double role. "Nadodi Mannan" succeeded enormously at the box-office and established MGR as one of the major forces in Tamil Cinema.
M.G. Ramachandran's fine films are "Rajakumari" (1947), "Manthiri Kumari" (1950),"Sarvathikari" (1951),"Chakravarthi Thirumagal" (1957), "Pudumai Pitthan" (1957), "Nadodi Mannan" (1958), "Araslingakumari" (1961), "Thai Shollai Thattathey" (1961), "Padagotti" (1965), "Anbey Va" (1966), "Kavalkaran" (1969), "Rickshakaran (1971), "Uulagam Suttrum Valiban" (1973), "Urimaikural" (1974), "Idhyakani" (1975), "Meenava Nanban" (1971).
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10th November 2005, 08:35 AM
#106
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Originally Posted by
mr_karthik
Originally Posted by
nilavupriyan
really?
............karnan is such a great movie......how come it be defeated....its my favourite shivaji movie...he is so stylish in that movie
Nilavu sir,
For fans like you, I made a post in 'Nadigar thilagam Sivaji Ganesan' thread in this forum, about the movie 'Karnan'.
oh ...yeah...i know
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10th November 2005, 09:13 AM
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10th November 2005, 12:17 PM
#108
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sakthi,
that movie is 'Mannathi Mannan'
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10th November 2005, 02:47 PM
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thx joe. Its mannathi mannan.
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15th November 2005, 05:38 PM
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Movie: Naa Yen Pirandhen
Song : "Unathu Vizhiyil Enathu Paarvai"
Lyric : Kavinger Vaali
Music : Shankar - Ganesh
Singers: TMS & P.Suseela
Cast: MGR & K.R.Vijaya
"Naan Yen Pirandhen" one of the best movies by MGR, which is beeing liked by all type of audience for various reasons.
1.Actually it is entirely different from all MGR movies.
2.In the starting itself MGR was shown as a married man and having children.
3. Not even a single dialogue about politics.
4. No normal MGR manarism in songs, lifting hands in the air etc (except the first song)
5. Rare combination of MGR & K.R.Vijaya (only 5 or 6 like Vivasayi, Nalla Neram, Thozhilaali etc)
6. Different type of music compossed by Shankar Ganesh.
That movie has fentastic songs, each one is differ from the other in all aspects.
1) Naan yen pirandhen...naattukku nalamenna purindhen (thathuva paadal)
2) Thambikku oru paattu (it has two versions)
3) Naan paadum paadal nalamaaga vendum (one of the best TMS number)
4) Unathu vizhiyil enathu paarvai (only duet song)
5) Siththira cholaigale (by Bharathidasan, I already mentioned in Kalangarai vilakkam post)
6) Thalai vaazhai ilai pottu virundhu vaiththen... (S.Janaki & Jikki)
(one more song is there as the imagination of Kanchana, dancing with MGR).
I choosed "UNATHU VIZHIYIL ENATHU PAARVAI" because whenever I hear this song (not only me, but everyone) feel something special, due to its mild tunes. Normally SG's tunes in all other movies will be too fast, but here all different.
"Kai therndha sirpiyin kaiyil kidaikkum kal (stone), arputhamaana silai vadivam peruvathu pola, Shankar Ganesh, therndha sirpiyaana MGR kaiyil kidaikka, avar ivargalidamirundhu, kaalamellaam peyar sollum tune galai veli kondu vandhaar. Avaigalil ondru thaan indha paadal".
It was shooted in Brindhavan Garden with MGR and KRV, without MGR formula manarisms, when they are singing the song, Thengai Srinivasan, one of the villains searching for MGR, but they will sing hiding behind the bushes to escape from his sight.
Andha tune patri ennavo sollanum pola irukku, aanaa adhukku sariyaana vaarththai enakku kidaikkalai. Avvalavu arputhamaan melody. Avanga 'Gurunaathar' MSV paaniyil pottiruppaanga. 'Shankar Ganesh potta tunaa idhu'? endru andrum indrum ellorum viyakkiraargal.
Paadiyavargalai patri sollanumaa?. 1000 kanakkil paadi asathiya jodi, idhaiyum romba anaayaasamaaga paadiyiruppargal. Adhilum indha TMS irukkaare... adeyappa. Charanathil mudhal adiyai paadumbothu, mudhalil conitnue aagavum, meendum adhaiye paadumpodhu idaiyil konjam niruthiyum attagaasam pannuvaar. (Meendum andha paadalai ketkumbothu unnipaaga gavaniyungal)
"uyir konda oviyam ondrooo thunai ondru serndhadhendru"
again
"uyir konda oviyam ondru (stop) thunai ondru serndhadhendru"
same like this, in next charanam
"enakkendru vaazhavathu konjammm unakkendru vaazhum nenjam"
again
"enakkendru vaazhvathu konjam (stop) unakkendru vaazhun nenjam"
Suseela amma mattum enna kurainjavangalaa...
"kan imaiyaathu pen ival nindraal, kaaranam kooruvatho
Un(n)ai kaanbathenna sugamo...Un(n)ai kaanbathenna sugamo"
same like this, in end of next charanam
"Ponmanam konda mannavan anbil en uyir vaazhgirathu
adhu endrum vaazhum uravu...adhu endrum vaazhum uravu"
This is the duet song not by the lovers, but between the beloved husband and wife, who already have children...which is a rare situation in MGR movies.
For several reasons, and its catchable melody and for its well picturisation....it is one of my everloving songs.
anbudan....sarooo.
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