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Thread: kELvigaL, santhEgangaL in thamizh ilakkiyam. Please clarify!

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    kELvigaL, santhEgangaL in thamizh ilakkiyam. Please clarify!

    In the movie gauravam, there will be a quote:

    "thanninilai thaazhaamaiyum thaazhnthadhenil (?) uyir vaazhaamaiyum maaNam enappadum"

    I believe this is not a thirukuRaL!

    Where does this come from

    Thank you in advance!

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    a commentary statement.


    It is a classic definition of the word "Á¡Éõ" which can be found in most commentaries of the chapter entitled "Á¡Éõ" in ThirukkuRaL. It reflects the principle contained in a thirukkuRaL verse. The kuRaL is:

    Á¢÷¿£ôÀ¢ý Å¡Æ¡ì ¸ÅâÁ¡ «ýÉ¡÷
    ¯Â¢÷¿£ôÀ÷ Á¡Éõ Åâý.

    You should be able to find the given definition in most commentaries, either in the words you have quoted or in words to the same effect.

    Dr Mu. Varatharaasanaar says: ¾ÁìÌ Â¡§¾Ûõ þÆ¢× §¿÷ó¾¡ø ¯Â¢÷ Å¡Æ¡¾(Ð) Á¡Éõ. Á¡Éõ «Æ¢Â §¿÷ó¾¡ø ¯Â¢¨Ã Å¢ðÎÅ¢ÎÅ÷.

    Cross refer: Àâ§ÁÄƸ÷, ¸¡Ç¢í¸÷, Á½ì̼Å÷ ¯¨Ã¸û. These are old commentaries.
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    Thanks, maalaa, for the viri-urai!

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    Actually it goes:

    than nilai thaazhaamaiyum annilai thaazhthakkaal uyir vaazhaamaiyum maanam enappadum.

    I think you are absolutely correct.

    This must have come from the thiru kuRaL you have quoted!

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    kuthirai

    ¾Á¢Æ¢ø Á¡ ±ýÀÐ Á¡ý ±ýÈ ¦À¡ÕÇ¢Öõ ÅÕõ. §Áü¸ñ¼ ÌÈÇ¢ø «ó¾ô ¦À¡ÕÇ¢ø Åó¾Ð. " ¸Åâ Á¡".

    º£É ¦Á¡Æ¢Â¢ø "Á¡" ±ýÈ¡ø ̾¢¨Ã.
    ¾Á¢Æ¢Öõ "Á¡" ±ýÈ¡ø ̾¢¨Ã.

    ¾Á¢Æ¢ø "Á¡" ±ýÈ¡ø Å¢ÄíÌ (Á¢Õ¸õ) ±ýÈ ¦À¡ÕÙõ ¯ûÇÐ.

    ¬í¸¢Äò¾¢ø "mare" ±ýÈ¡ø ¦Àñ̾¢¨Ã.

    ¿£í¸û «È¢ó¾ ÁüÈ ¦Á¡Æ¢¸Ç¢ø ̾¢¨ÃìÌ ±ýÉ ¦ÀÂ÷?
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    in German:

    das Pferd - kuthirai
    der Hengst - "aaN kuthirai"
    die Stute - "peN kuthirai"
    das Fohlen - "pillai kuthirai"

    Sorry, my Tamil is like this. I can only describe these things this way. Sure, I learnt all these things but Mala please update me if you don't mind.


    der Gaul - Horse (especially south german)

    poetically
    das Ross - steed
    auf dem hohen Ross - on one's high horse

    der Schimmel - white/gray horse

    Is this enough for a while?

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    'Pari' is also horse in Thamizh
    e.g.Parimelazhagan
    nari-Pari in manickavasagar story

    Ashwa --- horse in sanskrit.Ashwamedha yagam etc where an horse is sent to other kingdoms

    'Goda' --- horse in Hindi(i think)

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    ¬Š¾¢§ÃÄ¢Âô ÀÆíÌÊ ¦Á¡Æ¢¸Ç¢ø ¯ûÇ ÀÄ ¦º¡ü¸û ¾Á¢§Æ¡Î ´Ä¢ ´üÚ¨Á ¯¨¼ÂÉÅ¡ö ¯Ç¦ÅýÚ ¦Á¡Æ¢ ¬öÅ¡Ç÷¸û ¸Õи¢ýÈÉ÷.
    ̾¢¨Ãô¦ÀÂ÷ þЧÀ¡ýÈ ¦Á¡Æ¢¸Ç¢ø ¯ûÇÉÅ¡? «¨Å ¡¨Å ±ýÚ Â¡Ã¡ÅÐ ÜÈÓÊÔÁ¡?

    ̾¢¨Ã(¾Á¢ú) > kudirai > kud(ir)a(i) > kuuda (Malay). (ir)(i) omitted in "Malayanising" the word.

    Hindi word for horse is close to the Tamil word.
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    spanish caballo
    cavallo italian
    cavalo portuguese
    french cheval......( Knight or horseman Legion of Honor CHEVALIER SIVAJI GANESAN )
    (nethrland) dutch paard
    Ashwa horse mmm

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    Good info
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