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30th January 2005, 11:46 AM
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IR (@ colu*) on: Fri Mar 24 14:04:55 EST 2000
Nado: I am sure there are a whole lot of those.. I am aware of one in Shankarabharanam and one in Kalyani.. lakshman could help us here
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30th January 2005, 11:46 AM
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Vasu (@ s04.*) on: Fri Mar 24 15:56:10 EST 2000
Lakshman:
I think the Kathanakuthuhalam thillana is featured in the cassette Dance of Sound.
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30th January 2005, 11:46 AM
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Lakshman (@ ppp1*) on: Fri Mar 24 16:09:07 EST 2000
IR:
It took some time to cull the information but here is the breakdown of tillanas in melakarta ragas.
Charukesi 2, Kalyani 7, Kharaharapriya 2, Shankarabharana 6, Todi 12, Kamavardhini 4, Shanmukahpriya 2, Vachaspati 1 and Natabhairavi 1. If you or Vasu can give me the beginning words of the tillanas of Lalgudi in Kadanakutuhala, Chenjuruti, Bindumalini, Kuntalavarali and Abheri and their respective talas I can add them to my list. Thanks.
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30th January 2005, 11:46 AM
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Nadopasaka (@ akpp*) on: Fri Mar 24 20:21:09 EST 2000
Thanks Lakshman. It is most striking that [a] there are relatively so few in melas [b] that there are none in the MMGowla and HariKamboji melas [c] or that the lists above do not seem to have any in MMGowla janyas such as Saveri (maybe LGJ has one in this ?? ) or Revagupti.
What is the earliest known Thillana ? Is it the Thillana Mohanambal ? Thanks for comments.
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IR (@ dial*) on: Sun Mar 26 08:34:35 EST 2000
Lakshman: The Kathanakuthoohalam thillana goes like "thanaDheem jom thadheem"... I have to find out about the toher ones - would post as soon as I find out...
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Nadopasaka (@ aepp*) on: Sun Mar 26 12:20:18 EST 2000
Hi Isrgi ) I am still reconciling to thillanas (sorry ?!). Is their alphabet made up of dance related words or syllables ? e.g. Jonu dheem , udara tani , nadridom etc. Just curious what could be other Lalgudi thillanas in the same raaga. Is there a talam that goes with the tillanas as well ? Thanks for ideas.
Just heard NikelaraDayaradu of (i think ) Vasudevacharya (?? ) in Kadanakutuhalam. Now here was a worthy student of Pattinam.
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30th January 2005, 11:46 AM
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IR (@ dial*) on: Sun Mar 26 13:49:44 EST 2000
>>"Is their alphabet made up of dance related words or syllables<<" Yes - thillanas were originally composed for dance - and hence the "chol kattus" add beauty to them...
>>"Just curious what could be other Lalgudi thillanas in the same raaga<<" I am not aware of Lagudi composing more than one thillaana in the same raaga nado....
>>"Is there a thaalam<<" there sure is - Thillaanas are meant to exhibit "Footwork"!!
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Nadopasaka (@ afpp*) on: Sun Mar 26 14:26:17 EST 2000
Brrr.. a bit chilly ). I was wondering if 'starting words' were proper identifiers for thillanas, like varnams or krities e.g. 'IdiNiku' or 'Kadaikkan' etc. I also did not find any talams mentioned yet in the thread. Thanks for your patience.
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30th January 2005, 11:46 AM
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Lakshman (@ ppp2*) on: Sun Mar 26 20:47:18 EST 2000
Nadopasaka:
Of course there are talas for all the tillanas I listed. I just didn't think they were as importanat as the beginning words and the raga. Some people refer to tillanas with the beginning words of the charanam because there is usually some text that is part of the tillana. Talas are extremely important for the dancers because footwork is one of most important aspect of bharatanatya.
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30th January 2005, 11:46 AM
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Nadopasaka (@ aapp*) on: Sun Mar 26 22:48:22 EST 2000
I wrote above a few days ago >>> are there any Thillanas in any Melakarta ragas ? Muthiah B. may have some, I feel. Do the dance accompanists indulge in these more whole-heartedly ? <<<
Well, seems like I had a brain cramp. Obviously there are talams and footwork associated with the tillanas. I hesitate to ask but is there necessarily a percussion instrument involved ? Thanks
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