Western music - Who mastered better - IR or ARR ?

[Nakeeran]

IMO, both have done immensely well but who is better ?

Lets discuss

[dinesh2002]

OH NO....Nakeeran....its looks like u really want ARR fans & IR fans to fight huh... its no use discussing with them,they wont agree ARR did better becoz they cant take facts that is against IR.... so all i can is prepare for another WAR in TFM HUB :lol:

[selvakumar]

aahhaaaa kilambitaangaiyaa kilambitaangaiyaa aaaah :rotfl:

[Nakeeran]

aahhaaaa kilambitaangaiyaa kilambitaangaiyaa aaaah :rotfl:

Anne romba aniyayam idhu :cry:

Both sides have seasoned experts available to pour with their opinion :lol:

FOR A CHANGE, I WISH TO BE NEUTRAL HERE THOUGH I LOVE IR :D

[Nakeeran]

OH NO....Nakeeran....its looks like u really want ARR fans & IR fans to fight huh... its no use discussing with them,they wont agree ARR did better becoz they cant take facts that is against IR.... so all i can is prepare for another WAR in TFM HUB :lol:

Not at all Dinesh 8-) 8-)

True IR fans have very little to say about ARR here ( I mean true music lovers of IR ) . ARR had already proved his worth on western music :D

I hope even if there is any criticism, its constructive only

[Osho]

What genre are u talking about nakeeran. Would be an interesting topic to discuss (albeit sweeping statements from both sides claiming that one out did the other). Neither mastered them , i would put it that way. They both adapted to suit our tastes over the years. I would any way put IR ahead in rock and roll and western classical and would put ARR ahead in leaning towards electronica as well as his fabulous inspiration of pink floyd (as evident in Yuva). By the way, i know that he is a great fan of pink floyd.

[Nakeeran]

Way back in 79 for the song Nane naana yaro dhana, IR did a mozart!

IMO IR pioneered the art of western music

[dinesh2002]

Way back in 79 for the song Nane naana yaro dhana, IR did a mozart!

IMO IR pioneered the art of western music

yah yah, typical IR fan :lol2:

[selvakumar]

Way back in 79 for the song Nane naana yaro dhana, IR did a mozart!

IMO IR pioneered the art of western music

yah yah, typical IR fan :lol2:

:lol:

[Nakeeran]

Way back in 79 for the song Nane naana yaro dhana, IR did a mozart!

IMO IR pioneered the art of western music

yah yah, typical IR fan :lol2:

Dinesh

I just recollected one old song which mesmerized me. Edhavadhu thappa soltena :lol:

[MusicIsLife]

Western Music-nnu sonna too much generalization, I guess we should be more prudent in telling atleast a subtype.

With regards to Western Classical IR leads the way atleast by improvisation, # of movies, BGM, MSV took the plunge into giving amazing Heavy Metal/Hard Rock type songs in Ninaithale Inikkum, Now ARR has done a fabulous job of giving a Hard-Rock types BGM. If you wanna talk about mixing RAP and such -> ARR surely started it with Kadhalan, YSR is doing a good job (though I dont like the way how the lyrics are washed away, sometimes looses meaning), but infusion of more Latin rythms, Arabic Music (Eastern Style infulence), ARR leads this arena.

[MusicIsLife]

Way back in 79 for the song Nane naana yaro dhana, IR did a mozart!

IMO IR pioneered the art of western music

yah yah, typical IR fan :lol2:

Dinesh

Typical ARR Fan-nu ungalai sonna nannava irukkum?

[dinesh2002]

been told,so no problem :lol2:

ohh come on....of all the topic u guys have to bring this?? its so obvious when some1 mentions IR;s name in a topic,it will be IR is the best in it... eventhough he might not have heard about it, just lil tired of this kinda topics... who is th best,who is mastered in this genre.... :roll:

[Nakeeran]

been told,so no problem :lol2:

ohh come on....of all the topic u guys have to bring this?? its so obvious when some1 mentions IR;s name in a topic,it will be IR is the best in it... eventhough he might not have heard about it, just lil tired of this kinda topics... who is th best,who is mastered in this genre.... :roll:

Enna Dinesh

Ippadi surrender ayuteenga :wink: too too bad :D

[rsubras]

typical ARR fan nu engalai sonna that is a matter of pride for most of us

Typical ARR fan

- un biased
- respect other musician's talents
- humble
- soft and does not hurt others' sentiments
- accept others' victory

[Music4Ever]

The typical ARR fan observes all the above points in the negative when the focus is on one MD called Harris, though :wink: As far as I have seen, the typical ARR fan then becomes biased, sulks in Harris's success, becomes aggressive and lets loose unnecessary abuse, and simply does not reconcile to the changed realities.

[Alien]

OH NO....Nakeeran....its looks like u really want ARR fans & IR fans to fight huh... its no use discussing with them,they wont agree ARR did better becoz they cant take facts that is against IR.... so all i can is prepare for another WAR in TFM HUB :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :rotfl: Nakeeraa , nee periya lollu pudicha aalaiyaa !!
Innum enna enna ideas stock irukku , to induce a fight between IR vs ARR fans or Kamal vs ANYONE 's fans ??? :lol2:

[MusicIsLife]

rsubras,
I was just making fun of Dinesh, nothing serious!!

neenga solluratha partha ARR fans mattum thaan ellathayum parataranga, mithavangal ellam summa etho our ingeetham illatham mathiri irukku, too much generalization!!

[Nakeeran]

rsubras,
I was just making fun of Dinesh, nothing serious!!

neenga solluratha partha ARR fans mattum thaan ellathayum parataranga, mithavangal ellam summa etho our ingeetham illatham mathiri irukku, too much generalization!!

I WILL VOUCH FOR THIS MIL :oops:

ITS FACT THAT ARR FANS HAVE A BROADER OUTLOOK WHEN IT COMES TO APPRECIATING THE CREATIONS OF OTHER MDs
ESPECIALLY OF IR's

Biased IR fansoda latchanam dhaan paatheengale in that thread :

who is the best MD for Rajini movies..

Ore sirippa sirichudhu . Disgusting attitude :cry:

[Ramakrishna]

rsubras,
I was just making fun of Dinesh, nothing serious!!

neenga solluratha partha ARR fans mattum thaan ellathayum parataranga, mithavangal ellam summa etho our ingeetham illatham mathiri irukku, too much generalization!!

I WILL VOUCH FOR THIS MIL :oops:

ITS FACT THAT ARR FANS HAVE A BROADER OUTLOOK WHEN IT COMES TO APPRECIATING THE CREATIONS OF OTHER MDs
ESPECIALLY OF IR's

Biased IR fansoda latchanam dhaan paatheengale in that thread :

who is the best MD for Rajini movies..

Ore sirippa sirichudhu . Disgusting attitude :cry:

:roll:

[Nakeeran]

Ramki

ellam neenga open pannina lollu thread dhaan

Kusumbu mannan Ramki down down

[slperson1]

This is a dumb thread because both musicians are from different eras. IR brought in western styles of a different genre in his era.& ARR brought in others in his era.

Thus the answer is:
Disco & 80s western music = IR
90s to present = ARR

[Vysar]

IR experimented with Western classical music with Chittukku Chella Chitukku, Veetukku Veetukku Vasapadi Vendum

Deva also experimented in "Annamala Annamala" :lol:

[dinesh2002]

The typical ARR fan observes all the above points in the negative when the focus is on one MD called Harris, though :wink: As far as I have seen, the typical ARR fan then becomes biased, sulks in Harris's success, becomes aggressive and lets loose unnecessary abuse, and simply does not reconcile to the changed realities.

yo machan, touch ur heart & tell, what we,infact many have said bout HJ is true or not.... its obvious he copies ARR in EVERY album of his.... its evidence is so obvious,and yet u can deny it....TYPICAL HJ FAN !! :lol2: :lol2: :rotfl:

" just kiddin " :poke:

[dinesh2002]

This is a dumb thread because both musicians are from different eras. IR brought in western styles of a different genre in his era.& ARR brought in others in his era.

Thus the answer is:
Disco & 80s western music = IR
90s to present = ARR

:clap: the ultimate answer, and i belive everyone will agree to this... coz this is the TRUE answer....IR mastered in 80s & ARR in 90s up to date,even YSR can be listed for the current trend....but 90s,was tottaly owned by ARR!! :clap:

[vasanth2006]

This is a dumb thread because both musicians are from different eras. IR brought in western styles of a different genre in his era.& ARR brought in others in his era.

Thus the answer is:
Disco & 80s western music = IR
90s to present = ARR

:clap: the ultimate answer, and i belive everyone will agree to this... coz this is the TRUE answer....IR mastered in 80s & ARR in 90s up to date,even YSR can be listed for the current trend....but 90s,was tottaly owned by ARR!! :clap:

:clap: :clap: :clap:

Well said guys. exactly my thoughts.
According to my observations.
IR --- Western classical specialist. He is the specialist of mixing carnatic and western contents.
ARR --- Western Rap and others. He is the one who mastered techno beats and sound effects.
Yuvan --- Rap and south american Hip Hop style

IR and ARR is mainly inspired of Engilsh style. yuvan is inspired of american style.

Dinesh, atleast u considered yuvan's contribution to western and mentioned. :thumbsup:

[dinesh2002]

Vasanth, its undenieable that YSR that is rocking the country now... :clap: HJ comes in next,though it might seem HJ is ruling the chart becoz of Anniyan & Ghajini [i seriously think its Ghajini that made HJ a household name now].the only fact i dun like bout HJ he copies ARR music too much for a limit...im never against YSR or IR...its just that people compare ARR with YSR that really thicks me off....wut eva it is...YSR & HJ is the ruling guys for now.... :thumbsup:

[Jacky]

Yuvan seems to be the luckiest among MDs w.r.t Fan admiration.
There was one catchy song in Pattiyal which had Adaludan padal beats, if HJ or anyone had done that he'd been awarded Capital punishment here. Azhagai irukirai bayama irkirathu was a damn squib, Vallavan is just passable yet Yuvan seems to be ruling everywhere.
Onnum seiyama Vote vangathula evara minja oru aal porakanam! :roll:

[vasanth2006]

There was one catchy song in Pattiyal which had Adaludan padal beats, if HJ or anyone had done that he'd been awarded Capital punishment here.

Kannai vittu
Ethetho ennangal
poga poga

Do you have answers for these songs in 2006 released movies?

in 2006 released movies, kannai vittu is the best song.

why you see the bad things?. see the good things.

sorry for the dig.

[Nakeeran]

Vasanth2006

YSRa avatara podum alavukku periya aala avar ! Illa neengalum indha kudumba thuthi paadum kumbala serndhavara ?

[vasanth2006]

Vasanth2006

YSRa avatara podum alavukku periya aala avar ! Illa neengalum indha kudumba thuthi paadum kumbala serndhavara ?

Yuvan periya aala illaiyannu kalam pathil sollattum.
avaru periya aala irunthathan avathara podanuma?
ennakku Yuvanoda music pidikkum. athanala avaroda avathar potten.
ithu unkkalukku sampantham illatha vizhayam illaiya?

1976 - 1995 raja (ippa koda juli kanapathy,pithamagan, virumandi mathiriyana padangal piddikkum. )

1993-2000 rahman ( i am grown with rahman music.)

2001 - till date Yuvan ( he is giving extreme good and sometimes bad. i am picking the good music only.)

evangala enakku piddikum.

yuvan venummna revelutiona music pannama irukkalam. but neenga nenaikkra alavu mattam kidayathu. Yuvan is capable of giving good music.

ennai kudumba thuthipadalnnu sonnal, i dont care.

(bahavathariniya patti oru post kooda pannunathu illai. karthikraja "naalai" mathiri nalla album pannuna paraturathoda sari. sollapona karthikarajavai nan idayila maranthe poittaen. "nalai" vanthavudanethan enakku gnabagame vanthathu.)

[Nakeeran]

Upset avadheenga Vasanth06 8-)

Neenga YSR pathi kuripitta alavukku matra MDs patri onnum solla kanume . En indha bias ? Unga kannukku HJ alladhu Baradhwaj ellam theriyadha ?

Naanum unagalai pola IR isayilum ARR isaiyilum valarndhavan dhaan :D

[vasanth2006]

Neenga YSR pathi kuripitta alavukku matra MDs patri onnum solla kanume . En indha bias ? Unga kannukku HJ alladhu Baradhwaj ellam theriyadha ?
:D

Enaku romba pidikkaravangalathan sonnen.
athukkaka mathavangala pidikkadunnu illa.

ivangalukku appuram VS is doing good melodies.
Vsdo
"sudum nilavu sudatha sooriyan"
"Nooranthukku oru murai"
"kathavai thirakkum katrile" from suriya paarvai ( did u hear this?)
"anbe anbe" mathiriyana songs pidikkum. (intha mathiri ivar niraiya potirukkar.ivaroda melody list persu)

HJdo

minnale, Lesa lesa( etho ontru, muthal muthalai), kakka kakka (uyirin uyire, ontra), ullam ketkume ( extraordinary melody ohh maname. this is the No 1 song of HJ), gajini (oru malai)
pidikkum.
HJ list mothame ivvaluvuthan. eppadi ivarai yuvanvida periya alunnu solrathu.

yuvannoda list perusu. HJdo 5 madanku Yuvan panniyirukkar.
yuvanoda padam ellam flop anathala avar potta nalla musickkellam ellorukkum theriyama pona avar enna panna mudiyum?
(thats why i am telling that yuvan's selection of movie should improve)

bala --- poopovai punnagaikkum ival ( did u hear this song?)
kathal samrajjiyam --- iru kangal sollum
kurumbu --- oviya un oraparvai ennai theenduma
punnagai poove --- vanam thoovum poo mazhaiya
" --- eno uyir mele

punnagai poove, puthukkotaiyilirunthu saravanan, april mathathil, mounam peisyethe, ethiri (2 songs), junior senior ( 2 songs), bala
intha padankal ulla songs
ippadi superb unnoticed songs evvalavo sollikkitte pogalam.
i said only some of unnotced albums. i dont need to tell the hit albums.

currenta BGMls Yuvana adichikka aal irukka?
athanala Yuvan bestnnu thonichu. (i dont forget his inspirations. athanalathan antha point vachu yuvana down pandranga. inspirations ellarukkum irukku.)

No more Diggeresions. guys continue the topic.

[Sanjeevi]

There is any reservation quota to like MDs. What a baseless thought?

[great]

Vasanth2006

YSRa avatara podum alavukku periya aala avar ! Illa neengalum indha kudumba thuthi paadum kumbala serndhavara ?

Anne unga photo iruntha kudunga naan avtaarLa maatikurean :mrgreen: :tongueout:

Neenga ongaru Isai Methai 8-)

[Music4Ever]

"yo machan, touch ur heart & tell, what we,infact many have said bout HJ is true or not.... its obvious he copies ARR in EVERY album of his.... its evidence is so obvious,and yet u can deny it....TYPICAL HJ FAN !! "

If he is only copying Rahman in every album how is it that his songs rule the charts while Rahman's do not? As far as I can tell, his songs from Anniyan, Gajini, and now Vettaiyadu Vilayadu were/are ruling. The truth is that even with a little bit copying here and there, Harris starts his songs with a bang and that momentum carries it till the end. His numbers are catchy and have the raw energy of a new MD, like Rahman's were in the nineties. He is talented and this should be acknowledged. And finally, I am not a typical HJ fan. I am more happy if a Rahman album is successful.

[rsubras]

>>1993-2000 rahman ( i am grown with rahman music.)

>>2001 - till date Yuvan ( he is giving extreme good and sometimes bad. i am picking the good music only.)

PPl here create an image as if Rahman scored damp squibs Post 2000. I fail to understand why......... There had been so many beautiful albums and songs post 2000 from Rahman. The only year that could be said as Rahman's worst patch imho is the year 2001. Let us look back and see what he has given us post 2001

2001

Star - Lifted from hindi songs , so no comments - 2-3 songs are hit, film utter flop

Hit songs - nenthukitten, macha machiniye, manasukkul oru puyal

Paarthale Paravasam - Lovely songs, excllent theme music - film utter flop

Hit songs - moondrezhuthu ketta vaarthai, adhisaya thirumanam

Rahman's Special - Azhagae sugama, Theme music

2002

Alli Arjuna - Lifted from hindi songs, songs and film total washout

Kannathil Muthamittal - beautiful songs, songs hit,
National award winning music, Film flop

Hit songs - Sundari, Vidai kodu
Rahman's special - Vellai pookal, Nenjil jil jil

Baba - Songs hit, Trend setting theme song (athukappuram niraya padathula hero vuku oru english theme song poda aarambhichaanga :) ), Film flop

Hit songs - Baba kichu tha, Sakthi kodu
Rahman's special - Baba Rap, Maya Maya

Kaathal Virus - Melodious and nice songs, Album is flop commercially, but Vaazhga vaazhga song, Sonnalum ketpathillai, hey hey enna aachu are hit songs..... Film - as usual utter flop

2003

Parasuram - Trash songs and Trash film

Udhaya - Hit songs, Udhaya udhaya and Tiruvallikeni Raani - Film - disaster (film released in 2004)

Rahman's special - Udhaya Udhaya

Boys - Super hit songs, film - average

All songs hit, Rahman's special - Girl Friend venum

Kangalaal kaidhu sei - Super songs, film is a washout

all songs are hit

2004

New - Hit songs and a Hit film

Hit songs - Sakkarai, Thottal poo malarum
Rahman's special - Kaalaiyil thinamum

Aayitha Ezhuthu - Super hit songs and a flop film

All songs are hit , Rahman's special - Fanna

2005

Ah Aah - Super hit songs and a flop film

hit songs - Mayilirage, Marangothiye
Rahman's special - Aararai Kodi

2006

GodFather - Hit songs and ??????

Did i miss any other movie or songs here?

Compare this with the hit and miss list of Harris, Yuvan etc.,

[dinesh2002]

"yo machan, touch ur heart & tell, what we,infact many have said bout HJ is true or not.... its obvious he copies ARR in EVERY album of his.... its evidence is so obvious,and yet u can deny it....TYPICAL HJ FAN !! "

If he is only copying Rahman in every album how is it that his songs rule the charts while Rahman's do not? As far as I can tell, his songs from Anniyan, Gajini, and now Vettaiyadu Vilayadu were/are ruling. The truth is that even with a little bit copying here and there, Harris starts his songs with a bang and that momentum carries it till the end. His numbers are catchy and have the raw energy of a new MD, like Rahman's were in the nineties. He is talented and this should be acknowledged. And finally, I am not a typical HJ fan. I am more happy if a Rahman album is successful.

lol....i think i have said it b4,and im again mentioning it just for u ... bare in mind that what is a HIT,not neccasary its GOOD and what is flop,not neccasary its bad... if ur gonna judge an MD by only his HITS/FLOPS,it shows ur maturity...there r plenty of flop songs of ARR that were just too good...and there is few numbers of ARR which is average became a big hit.... same goes to mr HJ, ur ghajini,anniyan,VV might be a big hit,but quality wise,it drops WAY DOWN...all the tunes were so repetitive....every songs of his could be linked to his previous songs,not saying ARR or IR or others doesnt do it,but the amount of numbers that HJ did that is just too much to count...its QUALITY that will hold u in the industry for a long time...see IR...a good example,a long period...close to 30 years,and ARR successful 14 years and going strong with big banners still waiting to work with him... :wink: wokay va...

[Alien]

Rsubras , Well said ! :) Nice analysis ....
U just missed Enakku 20 unakku 18 ! Again songs were hit and good , film flop .....