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groucho070
29th January 2007, 09:08 AM
Rajesh, saradha mdm...as usual, excellent writeup.

As for Avanthan manithan, may I add that this film showed NT in one of the most restrained performance. In fact, before I was convinced of Gauvaram's superiority, Avanthan Manithan was my alltime favourite.

This movie was remade as Uyarntha Ullam with Kamal and VKR. Kamal was good, but then...

The song you mentioned never failed to draw tears. The line, "Innum nanmai seithu thunbam vanggum ullam ketpen" was used for a situation for one of Prabhu's film. Forgot which film.

tacinema
29th January 2007, 09:32 AM
Beautiful write-up on OVU. Thanks Rajesh and Saradha.

Murali: I saw OVU during its re-release at Madurai Chinthamani. It was an evening show during weekday (purposefully avoided fri/sat/sundays) and there are two scenes that fans were really in great mood:

1. a handsome and dashing NT during the song "poomalaiyil oor malligai"
2. stylish cigarette smoking scene during the song "thedinen vanthadu"

Though the movie and songs were good, I was bit disappointed with director Sridhar. I expected the movie to be on the lines of Kathalikka neramillai, but OVU is not in the same league. Considering the master pieces such as Nenjil oor aalayam, then nilavu and Kalyana parisu that Sridhar has given, in my view, he failed to extract the best out of NT.

There are many NT movies that I have had a great time, with festivities inside movie hall. Some of them are:

1. Avan thaan manithan - at Madurai Meenakshi (interesting info: the movie ran over 2 weeks during this re-release. First "old" movie that announced its 2-week BO collection in tamil daily newspapers. During its last show, the distributor put out a contest for fans and asked them to match the color of shirt that NT wears in each song and to his surpirse, many fans matched the color correctly. He chose one lucky response among the correct ones and announced a cash gift to the fan).
2. Aalayamani - at Madurai new cinema
3. Karnan - mid night show at Amirtham, during Ekadesi

joe
29th January 2007, 01:39 PM
'Avan thaan manithan' is one more proof for 'Avan thaan Nadigan'

joe
29th January 2007, 01:46 PM
முக்கிய பக்கங்களின் இணைப்புகள்**********************************

திரைப்பட விமரிசனங்கள் / பார்வைகள்
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1.அம்பிகாபதி -திரைப்படப் பார்வை -பாலாஜி (http://www.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=7685&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=300)

2.என்னைப் போல் ஒருவன் -திரைப்படப் பார்வை -சாரதா (http://www.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=7685&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=300)

3.ராஜா -திரைப்படப் பார்வை -சாரதா (http://www.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=7685&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=330)

4.பொன்னூஞ்சல் -திரைப்படப் பார்வை -groucho070 (http://www.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=7685&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=360)

5.சவாலே சமாளி -திரைப்படப் பார்வை -சாரதா (http://www.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=7685&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=375)

6.அன்பைத் தேடி -திரைப்படப் பார்வை -சாரதா (http://www.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=7685&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=390)

7.எங்க மாமா,மூன்று தெய்வங்கள் -திரைப்படப் பார்வை --சாரதா (http://www.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=7685&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=405)

8.புதிய பறவை-திரைப்படப் பார்வை -பாலாஜி (http://www.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=7685&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=510)

9.அந்த நாள்-திரைப்படப் பார்வை -பாலாஜி (http://www.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=7685&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=540)

10.அந்த நாள்-திரைப்படப் பார்வை -சாரதா (http://www.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=7685&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=555)

11.கப்பலோட்டிய தமிழன் - groucho070 (http://www.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=7685&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=165)

<a href="http://www.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=7685&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=105">
12.பிராப்தம்,மூன்று தெய்வங்கள்,தர்மம் எங்கே,ராஜராஜசோழன்,சிவகாமியின் செல்வன்,வாணிராணி -ஒரு பார்வை - முரளி ஸ்ரீனிவாஸ் </a>

13.தங்கச்சுரங்கம் - - சாரதா (http://www.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=7685&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=615)

14. ஊட்டி வரை உறவு - - rajeshkrv (http://www.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=7685&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=735)

15. ஆட்டுவித்தால் யாரொருவர் - அவன் தான் மனிதன் - - சாரதா (http://www.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=7685&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=735)

மற்றவை
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1.உலக அளவில் விருதுகள்! -விகடன் கட்டுரை (http://www.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=7685&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30)

2.நடிகர் திலகத்தின் வெற்றி பரணி (1971-1975) -முரளி ஸ்ரீனிவாஸ் (http://www.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=7685&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=45)

3.நடிகர் திலகத்தின் திரைப்படங்களின் முழுப் பட்டியல் - நக்கீரன் (http://www.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=7685&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=120)

4.நாட்டிய மேதையும் நடிகர் திலகமும்!-விகடன் கட்டுரை (http://www.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=7685&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=180)

5.நடிகர் திலகம் பிறந்தநாள் விழா நிகழ்ச்சி தொகுப்பு ,நடிகர் திலகம் சினிமாவும் அரசியல் பயணமும் (1980) -முரளி ஸ்ரீனிவாஸ் (http://www.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=7685&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=270)

joe
30th January 2007, 04:29 PM
Another great song in 'Avan Thaan manithan' is 'Manithan ninaippadundu Vazhvu Nilaikkumentru ..Iraivan Ninaippathundu Paavam manthan entru"

Murali Srinivas
30th January 2007, 09:10 PM
Dear Groucho,

Prabhu's film you are referring to is "Pon Manam".

When I started posting in this thread, Avanthan Manithan was the film,I talked about after Deiva Magan. Joe had casually commented about AM and I had described some scenes in it. In fact like you, I had also mentioned about Pon Manam there in that post.

Regards

PS: Groucho, did you read the info I posted about two NT films running in the same complex? (Because you wanted that)

S.Balaji
30th January 2007, 11:14 PM
Hi All

Can we expect Goondu kili analysis pls ?

Featuring 2 thilagams, it will be a fascinating movie to watch !

sankara1970
31st January 2007, 11:06 AM
AM was NT's 175th film and been advertised as Singaporil Sivaji

Oonjalukku Poochudi
Attuvithal Yarourvar
Anbu nadamadum
Engiruntho Oru Kural

and all are good numbers.

JJ calls NT Boss throughout the film

thamiz
1st February 2007, 01:13 AM
Well I am told officially shivaji's

75th movie: paarththaal pasi theerum

100th movie: nava raaththiri

125th movie: uyarntha manidhan

150th movie: savaale samaaLi

175th movie: avanthaan manidhan

200th movie: thirisoolam


Is this data flawless ? :roll:

joe
1st February 2007, 07:46 AM
Well I am told officially shivaji's

75th movie: paarththaal pasi theerum

100th movie: nava raaththiri

125th movie: uyarntha manidhan

150th movie: savaale samaaLi

175th movie: avanthaan manidhan

200th movie: thirisoolam


Is this data flawless ? :roll:

Yes :)

joe
2nd February 2007, 12:53 PM
I request saradha madam to write about "Navarathiri" ,which made Chevalie commitee surprise to beleive all 9 characters done by single person

Nerd
2nd February 2007, 10:00 PM
<Dig> Bay, :lol: </Dig>

I have parAsakthi DVD with me. I am going to watch it tomorrow for like the 20th time :2thumbsup:

Beat that performance 8-) Rememer thats his first ever *movie* and the whole courtroom scene was taken in ONE shot. Thats not the only scene which is worth mentioning 8-)

rocketboy
2nd February 2007, 10:08 PM
But the best of all was Mahaakavi Kaalidaas ... Where Sivaji for the first 45 mins will crack the heq out of everybody with his innocent-boy acting! :lol:

Bay itha naan romba naal munnadi paathen :lol: . Nalla pannirupaaru . Without doubt he is the greatest actor Tamil filmdom has ever produced.

kb
2nd February 2007, 10:09 PM
i dont know the film name.. jayalalitha with NT and many kids.. he runs a orphanage kinda of thing in his house..

the comedy and way he walks like a lady to make JJ learn was awesome..

it had comedy and senti in equal amounts

m_23_bayarea
2nd February 2007, 10:09 PM
i dont know the film name.. jayalalitha with NT and many kids.. he runs a orphanage kinda of thing in his house..

the comedy and way he walks like a lady to make JJ learn was awesome..

it had comedy and senti in equal amounts

ENGA MAAMA!

m_23_bayarea
2nd February 2007, 10:10 PM
But the best of all was Mahaakavi Kaalidaas ... Where Sivaji for the first 45 mins will crack the heq out of everybody with his innocent-boy acting! :lol:

Bay itha naan romba naal munnadi paathen :lol: . Nalla pannirupaaru . Without doubt he is the greatest actor Tamil filmdom has ever produced.

I also wish Sivaji had all the TECHNOLOGY of today in his time ... Would have been an enhanced career! :D :D

Nerd
2nd February 2007, 10:11 PM
Without doubt he is the greatest actor Tamil filmdom has ever produced.

BULLS EYE :thumbsup:

joe
2nd February 2007, 10:12 PM
<Dig> Bay, :lol: </Dig>

I have parAsakthi DVD with me. I am going to watch it tomorrow for like the 20th time :2thumbsup:

Beat that performance 8-) Rememer thats his first ever *movie* and the whole courtroom scene was taken in ONE shot. Thats not the only scene which is worth mentioning 8-)

Nerd,
That too ,NT was made fun as he looks like a 'kuchi' during the production of 'Parasaakthi' .AVM chettiyar was continueusly forcing co-producer and director to change NT ,but refused by director Panju - Krishnan.

NT once mentioned " AVM studio-la irukkira marangalellam en kanneerula valarnthathu'

But what happened on 1952 Deepavali ? tamil cinema history was rewritten! Parasakthi came as a strom ..NT became undisputed king of acting ..AVM chettiyar later called NT as 'Ulaga maga nadigan'

Nerd
2nd February 2007, 10:18 PM
But what happened on 1952 Deepavali ? tamil cinema history was rewritten! Parasakthi came as a strom ..NT became undisputed king of acting ..AVM chettiyar later called NT as 'Ulaga maga nadigan'

Very true, joe :D

joe
2nd February 2007, 10:34 PM
Nakeeran,Bay Thampi ,Thamizh,Nerd,

Very happy to see your comments on NT .I am moved!

"Maanam Azhinthu vidavillayada Mara thamizhanukku" -nnu varra vasanam maathiri "Rasanaiyum Thiramaiyai potrum panbhum azhinthu vidavillai"-nnu santhoshama irukku :D

thamiz
2nd February 2007, 10:56 PM
Nakeeran,Bay Thampi ,Thamizh,Nerd,

Very happy to see your comments on NT .I am moved!

"Maanam Azhinthu vidavillayada Mara thamizhanukku" -nnu varra vasanam maathiri "Rasanaiyum Thiramaiyai potrum panbhum azhinthu vidavillai"-nnu santhoshama irukku :D

joe: uyir irukkum varai irukkum NT-ku support. After all he deserves every 'penny' of it ! :D

P_R
3rd February 2007, 12:12 AM
I also wish Sivaji had all the TECHNOLOGY of today in his time ... Would have been an enhanced career! One usual condescending statement about SivAji is that his acting did not evolve from its theatre roots. Here's a tidbit that bulldozes that theory and reflects SivAji's understanding of film technology and acting for screen. I heard MAjor say during an interview.

Once apparently Sivaji was acting in two movies in the same day !!! In both he had a scene with Major (and the situations in both scenes were quite comparable). Yet in one case SivAji's expressions were more pronounced and loud while he played it subtle in the evening. Major asked him why he acted differently in the morning and in the evening. Sivaji's matter of fact reply was that, the lenses used were different. From the point of capture in the morning, more pronounced expressions would be needed for the impact. :omg: :clap:

joe
3rd February 2007, 09:14 AM
தில்லானா மோகனாம்பாள் -ஒரு அலசல்

http://ukumar.blogspot.com/2007/01/blog-post_02.html

joe
3rd February 2007, 09:54 AM
நடிகர்திலகம் எனும் மாமேதை!

சிவாஜி கணேசன் - இந்த நடிகரிடமிருந்து தான் எத்தனை விதமானப் பரிமாணங்களை, ரசிகர்கள் பார்த்திருக்கிறார்கள்?

'ஏ எட்டப்பா ஈனமொழி பேசாதே..வாழ விரும்பினாய், வல்லவனை அழித்தாய்,இனி நீ வாழ்ந்து கொள்' என்று காதிலிருக்கும் கம்மல்கள் மேடையிலே சிதற,அவர் பேசிய வசனங்களை அவர் போலவே பேசிக் கைத்தட்டல்கள் வாங்கிய சிறுவர்களில் (ஐந்தாம் வகுப்பு) நானும் ஒருவன். அந்தக் கைத்தட்டல்கள் எல்லாம் 'நமது நடிப்புக்குத் தான்' என்று அந்நாளில் மனம் அறியாமையால் சந்தோஷப்பட்டுக் கொண்டது. கலையின் மேல் ஆர்வமுள்ள ஒவ்வொரு தமிழனும், வசனங்களை அவர் போலவே உச்சரிக்கத் தவறியிருக்க மாட்டான். இன்று கூட, திரையுலகில் பிரகாசிக்கும் பல நடிகர்கள், அவரின் வசனங்களைப் பேசித் தான் வாய்ப்புகள் பெற்றதாய் சொல்லும் போது, ஏன் அவரைப் பல்கலைக்கழகம் என்று சொல்கிறார்கள் என்று புரிகிறது. கற்ற பாடங்களை, வித்தையாய்க் காட்டி வேலை வாங்க அடித்தளமிடுவது, பல்கலைக்கழகங்கள் தானே?

சிறுவயதில், அவர் பிராமண வேடங்களில் நடித்ததைப் பார்த்து, அவர் பிராமணர் தான் என்று பரிபூரணமாய் நம்பினேன், அது தானே சிவாஜியின் வெற்றி! கௌரவம் ரஜினிகாந்த் பேசும் பல வசனங்களை நம்மால் மறந்திருக்க முடியாது. 'விபூதி குங்குமம் வெச்சுண்டா தான் பக்தியா...கடவுள் பிரேம் போட்டு மாட்ற படத்துல இல்லைடி, நாம செய்யற தொழில்ல இருக்கார்...' என்று பைப்பை வாயில் வைத்தபடியே பேசி, 'ஏய் ...செல்லா' என்று ஒரு ராகத்தோடு அழகாய்க் கூப்பிடுவாரே, நீங்களும் ரசித்திருப்பீர்கள் தானே? 'சிக்கல் ஷண்முக சுந்தரம்' என்ற கதாபாத்திரத்தின் நாயன வாசிப்பு நளினங்களை நம்மால் மறக்க முடியுமா? தமிழ் ரசிகர்கள் பலரின் 'எப்போதும் பிடித்த படங்கள்' பட்டியலில் தில்லானா மோகனாம்பாளுக்கு ஒரு தனி இடம் உண்டு.

எழுபதுகளுக்குப் பிற்பாடு, அவரின் கண்கள் நடிக்கிறது, காதுகள் நடிக்கிறது என்று அநியாயத்துக்கு சொல்லி சொல்லியே, படு திராபையானக் கதைக் களங்களோடு, நடிகர் திலகத்தை வீணடித்து விட்டார்கள். ஆனால், நல்ல இயக்குனரின் கையில், தொண்ணூறுகளில் வெளி வந்த 'தேவர் மகனில்', சிங்கமாய் கர்ஜித்து, தேசிய விருதும் வாங்க முடிந்ததே அவரால்! இயக்குனர் பாலுமகேந்திரா, 'மனவியல் ரீதியாக' கதாபாத்திரத்தை உள்வாங்கி நன்றாய் செய்திருக்கிறார் என்று சொன்னார். ஆனால், ஒரு சராசரி ரசிகன் அங்கு பெரியத் தேவரைத் தான் பார்த்தான். 'வெதை வெதைச்சவுடனே பழம் முளைக்கும்னு நெனக்க முடியுமோ....இன்னிக்கு உம் மவன் சாப்பிடுவான், நாளைக்கு அவன் மவன் சாப்பிடுவான், இதையெல்லாம் பார்க்க நான் இருக்க மாட்டேன், ஆனா..வெதை நான் போட்டது' என்று தனது மகனோடு தர்க்கம் பண்ணுவாரே, அதில் எவ்வளவு பதைபதைப்புத் தெரியும் ?

நடிகர் திலகத்தை நான் பல தருணங்களில் பார்த்திருக்கிறேன். சிறுவயதில், அவரது இல்லத்துக்கு சென்று புகைப்படம் கூட எடுத்துக் கொண்டிருக்கிறேன்.அவரது தெய்வமகன் படம் ஒவ்வொரு முறை புத்தம் புதிய பாலியஸ்டர் பிரிண்டில் எங்கள் ஊர் திரையரங்குகளுக்கு வரும் போதெல்லாம், கட்டாயம் சென்று பார்த்து விடும் ரசிகர்களில் நானும் ஒருவனாய் இருந்தேன். எல்லோருக்கும் முற்றுப் புள்ளி வைக்கும் மரணம், அந்த நடிக மேதைக்கும் வைத்த போது, அமெரிக்காவில் இருந்தேன். சொல்லவே முடியாத துயரத்தில் மனது அன்று தவியாய் தவித்தது. வீட்டிற்குத் தொலைபேசி, எனது தந்தை மற்றும் சகோதரியிடம் துக்கம் பகிர்ந்து கொண்டேன்.

அந்த நடிகனுக்குப் பல்லாயிரம் மைல்கள் தள்ளியிருக்கும் நான், எப்படி அஞ்சலி செலுத்துவது என்று யோசித்து, வீரபாண்டிய கட்டபொம்மன்,வியட்நாம் வீடு, தில்லானா மோகனாம்பாள் மூன்று படங்களையும் எடுத்து வந்தேன். நானும் எனது மனைவியுமாய் வியட்நாம் வீடு படத்தைப் பார்த்தோம். காட்சிகள் நகர்ந்தன ,'உன் கண்ணில் நீர் வழிந்தால்' பாடல் வந்தது. பாடுவது டி.எம்.எஸ்ஸா இல்லை சிவாஜியா என்று தெரியாத அளவு,குரல் கச்சிதமாய்ப் பொருந்தியது மனதை என்னவோ செய்தது. பாடல் முடியும் தருவாயில், பத்மினியின் மடியில் படுத்துறங்கும் சிவாஜி துயரம் தாங்காமல் அழுவார். உற்றுப் பார்க்கையில், அவரது வயிறும் சோகத்தில் குலுங்குவது எனக்குத் தெரிந்தது. ஏனோ தெரியவில்லை, என் கண்களிலிலிருந்து என்னையும் அறியாமல் கண்ணீர் வந்தது....மனசு மெதுவாய் முனகியது 'சே, சிவாஜியெல்லாம் செத்திருக்கவேக் கூடாது!'


- அருண் வைத்யநாதன்

http://valaippoo.yarl.net/archives/000427.html[tscii:77dd4646a3][/tscii:77dd4646a3]

sankara1970
4th February 2007, 12:35 PM
As told by NT in an interview, he learnt many techniques facing the

camera and related techniques,

during IRUVAR ULLAM-LV Prasad movie. Dialogue MK

tacinema
5th February 2007, 04:18 AM
Very often, as an NT fan, you run into a heated debate of comparing NT with other tamil actors, especially with KH. Here, I have read the following in a web site, which nicely summarizes the versatility of NT and different characters he donned. It is a long passage and so, I am going to break into different parts:

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சிவாஜியும் வேடங்களும்

நவராத்திரி படத்தில்தான் இப்படி ஒன்பது விதமான கதாபாத்திரங்களை ஏற்று சிறப்பாக நடித்து அனைவரின் பாராட்டுகளையும் பெற்றார்.

பலே பாண்டியா, தெய்வமகன் படங்களில் மூன்றுவிதமான கதாபாத்திரங்களை ஏற்று நடித்தார்.

உத்தமபுத்திரனில் இரு மாறுபட்ட தோற்றங்களில் கதாநாயகனாக நடித்தார்.

பராசக்தியில் சீர்திருத்தம் பேசும் இளைஞனாக நடித்தார். திரும்பிப் பார் படத்தில் பெண்பித்து பிடித்தவராக நடித்தார். மனோகராவில் சங்கிலியால் பிணைக்கப்பட்ட வீரமகனாக அனல் தெறிக்கும் வசனம் வேசி நடித்தார்.

அந்தநாள் படத்தில் தேசத்துரோகியாக வேடமேற்று நடித்தார். கல்யாணம் பண்ணியும் பிரம்மச்சாரியில் முழுநீள காமெடி வேடமேற்று நடித்தார். துளிவிஷம் படத்தில் வில்லன் வேடம் ஏற்று வீரியமாக நடித்திருந்தார். கூண்டுக்கிளியில் எம்.ஜி.ஆருடன் இணைந்து வில்லனைப் போன்ற வேடத்தில் துணிந்து நடித்தார். முதல் தேதியில் வாழ்க்கைப் பிரச்சினைகளை எதிர்கொள்ளத் தயங்கும் கோழையாக, தற்கொலை செய்துகொள்ளும் கதாபாத்திரத்தில் தயங்காமல் நடித்தார். தெனாலிராமனில் நகைச்சுவை கலந்த அறிவாளியாக வேடமேற்றார்.

ரங்கோன் ராதாவில் மச்சினியை மணக்க நினைக்கும் கொடுங்கோல் கணவனாக வேடமேற்று நடித்தார். மக்கள் பெற்ற மகராசியில் முதன்முறையாகக் கொங்கு நாட்டு தமிழைச் சிறப்பாக பேசி நடித்தார். தங்கமலை ரகசியம் படத்தில் காட்டுவாசி வேடத்தில கதாநாயகனாக நடித்தார். அம்பிகாபதி காதல் காவியத்தில் அம்பிகாபதியாக தத்ரூபமாக நடித்தும் சம்பூர்ண ராமாயணம் படத்தில் பரதன் வேடமேற்று மூதறிஞர் ராஜாஜியின் பாராட்டையும் பெற்றார்.

சபாஷ்மீனாவில் மீண்டும் நகைச்சுவை வேடம், காத்தவராயன் படத்தில் மக்களின் தெய்வம் காத்தவராயனாக வேடமேற்று நடித்தார்.

வீரபாண்டிய கட்டபொம்மன் படத்தில் பாஞ்சாலங்குறிச்சியில் தாய்நாட்டின் மானத்தைக் காத்த மாமன்னாக முதல் சுதந்திரப் போராட்ட வீரன் கட்டபொம்மனாக நடித்து திரையுலக சரித்திரத்தில் அழியாத இடம் பிடித்தார்.

பாகப்பிரிவினையில் ஊனமுற்ற கிராமத்து இளைஞனாக நடிப்பில் ஊனமில்லாமல் நடித்திருந்தார். தெய்வப்பிறவியில் நடிப்பில் தெய்வப்பிறவியாகவே அவர் வெளிப்பட்டார். படிக்காத மேதையில் மனிதநேயமிக்க மகா கதாபத்திரமான ரங்கன் வேடத்தை ஏற்று நடித்து அனைவரின் மனதையும் கவர்ந்தார். பாவை விளக்கு படத்தில் எழுத்தாளனாக வேடமேற்று அந்த நாவலுக்கு உயிர் கொடுத்தார்.

பாவமன்னிப்பு - இந்துவாகப் பிறந்து இஸ்லாமிய மதத்தினரால் வளர்க்கப்பட்டு கிறித்துவப் பெண்ணை மணக்கும் வேடம். மத நல்லிணக்கத்தை வலியுறுத்தும் மகத்தான வேடம்.

பாசமலர் - மனித வாழ்க்கையின் உன்னதமான உறவுகளான அண்ணன்-தங்கை பாசத்தின் உயர்வை வெளிப்படுத்தும் அண்ணன் வேடம் அனைவரையும் கவர்ந்தது.

பாலும் பழமும் - நோய் நொடிகளைத் தீர்க்கும் மருத்துவர் வேடம்.
கப்பலோட்டிய தமிழன் - இந்திய சுதந்திரப் போராட்ட வரலாற்றில் இடம்பெற்ற வ.உ.சிதம்பரம் பிள்ளையின் சிறப்புமிக்க வேடம்.

ஆலயமணி - கதாநாயகன் வேடத்தில் அணவம் நிறைந்த பணக்காரத்தனம் கலந்திருந்தது. இதுவும் அனைவருக்கும் பிடித்திருந்தது.

இருவர் உள்ளம் - எல்லாப் பெண்களையும் வசீகரித்து ஆனந்தப்படும் வேடம்.

(to be continued)

tacinema
5th February 2007, 04:19 AM
பார் மகளே பார் - தனக்குப் பிறந்த பெண்களில் ஒருத்தி தனக்குப் பிறந்தவள் அல்ல என்பதை அறிந்து சுயகௌரவத்தை நிலைநாட்டத் துடிக்கும் ஜமீன்தார்வேடம்.

கர்ணன் - மபாபாரதக்கதையில் இடம் பெற்ற மக்கள் அறிந்த மாபெரும் கதாபாத்திரம். இன்றும் மக்கள் மனதில் குடிகொண்டிருக்கிறது.

புதிய பறவை - மனைவியாக வந்தவளை சந்தர்ப்ப சூழ்நிலையால் பிணமாக்கிய கணவனாக - துணிச்சல் மிக்க கதாபாத்திரம்.

ஆண்டவன் கட்டளை - கல்லூரிப் பேராசிரியராக இருப்பவர் காதலராக மாறும் விபரீதமான கதாபாத்திரம்.

திருவிளையாடல் - புராணக்கதையில் சிவபெருமானாக வேடமேற்று நடித்து மக்கள் மனதில்குடிகொண்டது.

மோட்டார் சுந்தரம்பிள்ளை - இளம் வயதிலேயே வயது வந்த பெண்களுக்கும், மகனுக்கும் தந்தையாக வேடமேற்று துணிந்து நடித்தது.

மகாகவி காளிதாஸ் - வெறும் கிறுக்கனாக இருந்து பிறகு ஞானக்கிறுக்கனாக காளியைப் போற்றும் மகாகவி காளிதாஸாக மாறும் ஒப்பற்ற வேடம்.

சரஸ்வதி சபதம் - மகாகவியாக நாரதராக இருவிதமான கதாபாத்திரங்களில் நடித்த படம்.

கந்தன் கருணை - முருகக் கடவுள் கந்தனின் தோழன் வீரபாகுவாக வேடமேற்று நடித்தது.

திருவருட்செல்வர் - அப்பராக, சங்கரராக, திருமலை மன்னனாக இப்படிப் பல்வேறு வேடங்கள் ஏற்று நடித்த படம்.

திருமால் பெருமை - திருமாலின் புகழைப் பரப்பும் தொண்டராக நடித்தது.

ஹரிச்சந்திரா - உண்மை பேசும் உன்னதமான கதாபாத்திரம்.

தில்லானா மோகனாம்பாள் - நாதஸ்வர வித்வான் சிக்கல் சண்முகசுந்தரமாக நடித்தது - இல்லை வாழ்ந்து காட்டியது.

உயர்ந்தமனிதன் - ஒரு காதலனாக காதலில் தோற்று - வாழ்க்கையில் முதலாளியாக உயரும் மனிதனாக.

தெய்வமகன் - தந்தை-அண்ணன்-தம்பி என்ற மூன்று வேடங்களில் உணர்ச்சிபூர்வமாக நடித்தது.

தங்கச்சுரங்கம் - முதன்முறையாக ஜேம்ஸ்பாண்ட் வேடம்.

காவல் தெய்வம் - பனை மரமேறும் தொழிலாளியாக கம்பீரமாக நடித்து நடிப்பில் கர்ஜித்தது.

எங்க மாமா - குழந்தைகளைக் கவரும் மனம் கவர்ந்த மாமாவாக நடித்தது.

வியட்நாம் வீடு - பிரஸ்டீஜ் பத்மனாபன் - மறக்க முடியாத கதாபாத்திரம்.

ராமன் எத்தனை ராமனடி - சாப்பாட்டு ராமனாக நடித்த படத்தில் நடிகனாகவும் இருமாறுபட்ட தோற்றத்தில் நடித்தது.

எங்கிருந்தோ வந்தாள் - காதல் தோல்வியில் மனநிலை பாதிக்கப்பட்டவராக பைத்தியமாக சிறப்பாக நடித்துக் காட்டினார்.
பார் மகளே பார் - தனக்குப் பிறந்த பெண்களில் ஒருத்தி தனக்குப் பிறந்தவள் அல்ல என்பதை அறிந்து சுயகௌரவத்தை நிலைநாட்டத் துடிக்கும் ஜமீன்தார்வேடம்.

கர்ணன் - மபாபாரதக்கதையில் இடம் பெற்ற மக்கள் அறிந்த மாபெரும் கதாபாத்திரம். இன்றும் மக்கள் மனதில் குடிகொண்டிருக்கிறது.

புதிய பறவை - மனைவியாக வந்தவளை சந்தர்ப்ப சூழ்நிலையால் பிணமாக்கிய கணவனாக - துணிச்சல் மிக்க கதாபாத்திரம்.

ஆண்டவன் கட்டளை - கல்லூரிப் பேராசிரியராக இருப்பவர் காதலராக மாறும் விபரீதமான கதாபாத்திரம்.

திருவிளையாடல் - புராணக்கதையில் சிவபெருமானாக வேடமேற்று நடித்து மக்கள் மனதில்குடிகொண்டது.

மோட்டார் சுந்தரம்பிள்ளை - இளம் வயதிலேயே வயது வந்த பெண்களுக்கும், மகனுக்கும் தந்தையாக வேடமேற்று துணிந்து நடித்தது.

மகாகவி காளிதாஸ் - வெறும் கிறுக்கனாக இருந்து பிறகு ஞானக்கிறுக்கனாக காளியைப் போற்றும் மகாகவி காளிதாஸாக மாறும் ஒப்பற்ற வேடம்.

சரஸ்வதி சபதம் - மகாகவியாக நாரதராக இருவிதமான கதாபாத்திரங்களில் நடித்த படம்.

கந்தன் கருணை - முருகக் கடவுள் கந்தனின் தோழன் வீரபாகுவாக வேடமேற்று நடித்தது.

திருவருட்செல்வர் - அப்பராக, சங்கரராக, திருமலை மன்னனாக இப்படிப் பல்வேறு வேடங்கள் ஏற்று நடித்த படம்.

திருமால் பெருமை - திருமாலின் புகழைப் பரப்பும் தொண்டராக நடித்தது.

ஹரிச்சந்திரா - உண்மை பேசும் உன்னதமான கதாபாத்திரம்.

தில்லானா மோகனாம்பாள் - நாதஸ்வர வித்வான் சிக்கல் சண்முகசுந்தரமாக நடித்தது - இல்லை வாழ்ந்து காட்டியது.

உயர்ந்தமனிதன் - ஒரு காதலனாக காதலில் தோற்று - வாழ்க்கையில் முதலாளியாக உயரும் மனிதனாக.

தெய்வமகன் - தந்தை-அண்ணன்-தம்பி என்ற மூன்று வேடங்களில் உணர்ச்சிபூர்வமாக நடித்தது.

தங்கச்சுரங்கம் - முதன்முறையாக ஜேம்ஸ்பாண்ட் வேடம்.

காவல் தெய்வம் - பனை மரமேறும் தொழிலாளியாக கம்பீரமாக நடித்து நடிப்பில் கர்ஜித்தது.

எங்க மாமா - குழந்தைகளைக் கவரும் மனம் கவர்ந்த மாமாவாக நடித்தது.

வியட்நாம் வீடு - பிரஸ்டீஜ் பத்மனாபன் - மறக்க முடியாத கதாபாத்திரம்.

ராமன் எத்தனை ராமனடி - சாப்பாட்டு ராமனாக நடித்த படத்தில் நடிகனாகவும் இருமாறுபட்ட தோற்றத்தில் நடித்தது.

எங்கிருந்தோ வந்தாள் - காதல் தோல்வியில் மனநிலை பாதிக்கப்பட்டவராக பைத்தியமாக சிறப்பாக நடித்துக் காட்டினார்.
(to be continued)

tacinema
5th February 2007, 04:28 AM
[tscii:66adaec754]குலமா குணமா - ஊருக்கு நாட்டாமையாக - தம்பிக்கு நல்ல அண்ணனாக- மனைவிக்கு நல்ல கணவனாக இப்படி மாறுபட்ட தோற்றங்களில் நடித்தார்.

சுமதி என் சுந்தரி - காமெடி கலந்த கலகலப்பான கதாபாத்திரத்தில் நடித்தது.

சவாலே சமாளி - அடிமை, விசுவாசி காலத்திலும் சுயமரியாதைமிக்க இளைஞனாக வேடமேற்று நடித்தது.

பாபு - ஒரு வேளை சாப்பாட்டிற்காக வாழ்க்கையையே அவர்களுக்கு அர்ப்பணிக்கும் மனிதநேயமிக்க உன்னதமான கதாபாத்திரம் ரிக்*ஷாக்காரன் பாபு.
ராஜா - போலீஸ், அடிதடி, கடத்தல் சம்பந்தப்பட்ட படத்தில் இளமையான திருடனாக, கடத்தல்காரனாக நடித்தது அனைவரையும் கவர்ந்தது.

ஞானஒளி - சந்தர்ப்ப சூழ்நிலையால் தவறு செய்துவிட்டு உயர்ந்த நிலைக்கு வந்த பிறகும் அதற்காக சட்டத்தின் முன் போராடுவது.

பட்டிக்காடா பட்டணமா - தமிழ்ப் பண்பாட்டை உயிராக நினைத்து வாழும் கிராமத்து மனிதன் மூக்கையா வேடம்.

தவப்புதல்வன் - மாலைக்கண் நோயாளியாக மற்றவர்களுக்குத் தெரியாமல் மறைந்து வாழ்வது எப்படி என்பதை நடித்துக் காட்டுவது - இது சவாலான கதாபாத்திரம்.

வசந்தமாளிகை - காதலர்களுக்குப் பிடித்த படம். அழகான பணக்கார காதலனாக வேடமேற்று நடித்து இன்றுவரை அனைவரையும் கவர்ந்திழுக்கும் படம்.

பாரத விலாஸ் - சாதி, மத, மொழி பேதங்களுக்கு அப்பாற்பட்டு வாழ்ந்து அனைவரையும் ஒன்றிணைக்கும் உயர்ந்த கதாபாத்திரம்.

ராஜராஜசோழன் - சரித்திர கதாபாத்திரம். சரிந்துவிடாமல் தாங்கிப்பிடித்து நடித்து சாதனை புரிந்தது.

கௌரவம் - தந்தை-மகன் மோதல் கௌரவமா- பாசமா- இரு மாறுபட்ட வேடம். நடிப்பிலும் மாறுபட்டு வெளிப்பட்டது.

மனிதரில் மாணிக்கம் - முழுநீள நகைச்சுவை கலந்த மருத்துவர் வேடம். அனைவரையும் கலகலப்பூட்டியது.

தங்கப் பதக்கம் - எஸ்.பி.சௌத்ரி - காவல்துறை அதிகாரியாக கம்பீரமான கதாபாத்திரத்தில் வாழ்ந்துகாட்டியது.

மனிதனும் தெய்வமாகலாம் - ஆத்திகன்- நாத்திகன் வேடத்தில் இரு வேறு விதமான நடிப்பாற்றலின் வெளிப்பாடு.

அவன்தான் மனிதன் - அடுத்தவருக்கு அள்ளிக் கொடுத்தே தனது வாழ்க்கையையும் காதலையும் துறந்தவன்.

டாக்டர் சிவா - தொழுநோயாளிகளை குணப்படுத்தவந்த உன்னதமான மருத்துவர்.

பாட்டும் பரதமும் - பாட்டையும் பரதத்தையும் வெளிப்படுத்தும் இருவிதமான கதாபாத்திரம்.

நாம் பிறந்த மண் - ஒரு சுதந்திரப் போராட்டப் போராளியின் வரலாறு. நடிப்பிலும் வாழ்ந்து காட்டினார்.

திரிசூலம் - தந்தை-மூத்தமகன்-இரண்டாவதுமகன். இப்படி மூன்று விதமான கதாபாத்திரம். நடிப்பும் மூன்று விதமாக இருந்தது. வசூலையும் அள்ளித்தந்தது.

எமனுக்கு எமன் - எமதர்மராஜனாக - எதிர்க்கும் இளைஞனாக இரண்டு கதாபாத்திரங்களில் நடிப்பாற்றலைû சிறப்பாக வெளிப்படுத்தியது.

கல்தூண் - தந்தை-மகன் மோதல். இதில் நடிப்பில் கல்தூணாக வெளிப்பட்டார்.

மிருதங்கச் சக்கரவர்த்தி - மிருதங்க வித்வான் கதாபாத்திரம். மிருதங்கக் கலைஞர்களே பிரமிக்கும் வகையில் நடிப்பு வெளிப்பட்டது.

வெள்ளை ரோஜா - புனிதமான கிறித்துவ பாதிரியாகராவும், போலீஸ் அதிகாரியாகவும் நடிப்பை வெளிப்படுத்தினார்.

முதல் மரியாதை - வயதுக்கேற்ற வேடம். ரசிகப்பெருமக்கள் அனைவரிடமும் இவரது இயல்பான நடிப்பிற்கு முதல்மரியாதை கிடைத்தது.

படிக்காதவன் - பாசமிக்க தம்பிகளுக்கு நல்ல அண்ணனாக நடித்தது.

அன்புள்ள அப்பா - மகள் மீது பாசம் கொண்ட தந்தையாக.

ஞானப்பறவை - ஞானக்கிறுக்கனாக ஆண்டவனை அறிந்த சித்தனாக நடித்தது.

தேவர்மகன் - மக்களுக்கெல்லாம் தேவராகவும் மகனுக்கு பாசமிக்க தந்தையாகவும் நடித்தது.

பசும்பொன் - மாசற்ற பாசமிகு தந்தையாக- பசும்பொன்னாக ஒளிரும் கதாபாத்திரம்.

ஒன்ஸ்மோர் - இளைய தலைமுறையினரோடும் ஈடுகொடுத்து தந்தையாக நடித்தது.

என் ஆசை ராசாவே - குதிரையாட்டம், ஒயிலாட்டம் ஆடும் கலைஞராக வேடமேற்று சிறப்பாக நடித்தது.

படையப்பா - படையப்பாவின் பாசமிகு தந்தையாக பட்டையைக் கிளப்பியது இவரது நடிப்பு.

பூப்பறிக்க வருகிறோம் - புதுமுக நடிகர் அஜய் போன்ற நடிகர்களுடன் இணைந்து நடித்து வெற்றிப்பூக்களை பறித்தார்.

இப்படி எத்தனையோ விதமான கதாபாத்திரங்களை ஏற்று நடித்து நடிப்பில் சாதனை புரிந்தவர் நடிகர் திலகம் சிவாஜிகணேசன்.

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Source: http://www.unarvukal.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=2517

Now, you can tell me whether this great actor is comparable to any other tamil actor? IMO, the answer is: a big NO.

Some of the movies mentioned above may not be great; otherwise, it is a good list. Show me one actor who can be at least 50% as versatile as NT.

NT's acting was so good that no other current actor dares to copy his performance; except occasional inspirations such as 23m pulikesi (copy of uththma puthiran)

G2go. more later.[/tscii:66adaec754]

groucho070
5th February 2007, 09:11 AM
I also wish Sivaji had all the TECHNOLOGY of today in his time ... Would have been an enhanced career! One usual condescending statement about SivAji is that his acting did not evolve from its theatre roots. Here's a tidbit that bulldozes that theory and reflects SivAji's understanding of film technology and acting for screen. I heard MAjor say during an interview.

Once apparently Sivaji was acting in two movies in the same day !!! In both he had a scene with Major (and the situations in both scenes were quite comparable). Yet in one case SivAji's expressions were more pronounced and loud while he played it subtle in the evening. Major asked him why he acted differently in the morning and in the evening. Sivaji's matter of fact reply was that, the lenses used were different. From the point of capture in the morning, more pronounced expressions would be needed for the impact. :omg: :clap:

Everyday we learn something new about NT.

I read elsewhere that he usually would confer with the cameraman about the shots (close up, mid). One agitated guy asked him why he should be asking that when he should only be acting. NT said, "if you do close up, then only my face will act, if you do mid shot, my body will act, if you take long shot, then I act from head to toe".

Not exact quote, but you get the idea.

So, for his time, NT was technically inclined as far as performance is concerned. In case of MGR, he was technical genius for overall picturisation, particularly, in my opinion, editing, and NT, for acting performance. I guess that is why both were the towering personalities of that time.

Nakeeran
5th February 2007, 04:11 PM
Nadigar Thilagam rasiga perumakkale

The link below is for his 100th movie MURADAN MUTHU :

http://techsatish-techsatish.blogspot.com/2006/12/muradan-muthu-tamil-movie-download.html

but the photo is from Andha naal for sure !

I believe Navarathri was released a day after this movie & hence AS PER THE RELEASE DATE , this movie may be the 100th one.

Directed by B.R.Banthulu .

saradhaa_sn
5th February 2007, 07:06 PM
Nadigar Thilagam rasiga perumakkale

The link below is for his 100th movie MURADAN MUTHU :

http://techsatish-techsatish.blogspot.com/2006/12/muradan-muthu-tamil-movie-download.html

but the photo is from Andha naal for sure !

I believe Navarathri was released a day after this movie & hence AS PER THE RELEASE DATE , this movie may be the 100th one.

Directed by B.R.Banthulu .
Dear Nakeeran....

'Muradan Muthu' is 100th movie...????. Noway possible. Before Murdan muthu, 98 movies were released for Shivaji. Navarathri and Muradan Muthu were ready to be released at the same time. B.R.Bandhulu (producer & director of Muradan Muthu) insisted that his movie should be announced as 'Shivaji's 100th Movie'. But everyone refused. Because 'Navarathri' is a milestone for Shivaji, with nine different rolls in the same film, and worthful to be the 100th film, but Muradan Muthu is just an ordinery movie the charector which Shivaji already done before.

So, Muradan Muthu was released one day earlier to Navarathri, and Muradan Muthu was the 99th movie of Shivaji.

Thatswhy Bandhulu got angry and gave full page advertisement for his next movie 'Ayirathil Oruvan' with MGR. The advertisement was released in 'Dhinathanthi' on the same day, in which Muradan Muthu was released. Hence most of the Shivaji fans also boycot MM and give support to Navarathri.

thimuru
5th February 2007, 07:34 PM
one-day gap

between movies...interesting

groucho070
6th February 2007, 10:11 AM
Thatswhy Bandhulu got angry and gave full page advertisement for his next movie 'Ayirathil Oruvan' with MGR. The advertisement was released in 'Dhinathanthi' on the same day, in which Muradan Muthu was released. Hence most of the Shivaji fans also boycot MM and give support to Navarathri.

Very sad, isn't it? While Navarathiri is noted solely for NT's versatility, it does not, I repeat, it does not have a great story. I don't mean not a good one, but compared to many other NT features, Navarathiri is not even a story at all. The plot was created for the nine characteristics. It's a great showcase of NT's talent.

Story-wise, I think Muradan Muthu is far superior. Of course, its not originally Tamil, but the performances from the leads makes this film very moving. I have a lots of affection for this film. The scene where his niece dies will leave you weeping loudly. The opening scenes where he appears in puli vesham will have you laugh loudly. We would grin knowingly when he sings "Pon aasai kondoorkku Ullam Illai". Banthulu himself proved to be an excellent actor. We symphatise with him; even though we find ourselves siding with NT most of the time.

If I were given choice between Navarathiri and Muradan Muthu, I'd opt for the latter. But if I were to choose between the two to show my non-Tamilian fans who NT is, of course, I'd chose Navarathiri.

Both are gems in its own way; too bad MM flopped.

tacinema
6th February 2007, 02:11 PM
Does any one know when was the movie Raja Rani released? I have recently watched the movie and mesmerized with NT and Padmini performance. The movie has got :

* NT and Padmini leading pair
* SSR as villain
* Story and Dialogue by MK
* Directed by Bhim Singh
* Wonderful comedy by NSK and TA Madhuram

Raja Rani is almost a light romantic comedy until the climax, where MK introduces a social message: childhood marriage. Unlike his other social-oriented movies such as Parasakthi, MK penned a light movie on the lines of Iruvar Ullam. Some of MK's dialogues in the movie are extremely powerful, especially when it is rendered by NT.

It must be NT's earlier movies, because the title card does not carry "Nadigar Thilakam" caption.

Some of NT scenes are brilliant in the movie:

* SSR and NT are good friends and as a hobby, NT acts in an amateur drama group organized by SSR. In one scene, when SSR (as babu) mistakenly chides NT (as Raja) and hits him, NT falls down. When he gets up, NT says: "babu venaam" and it was a short dialogue and delivered so powerfully that reflected his anger. When SSR tries to slap him, NT stops SSR and what NT does there is the highlight of the scene: Without uttering a dialogue, NT picks a cigarette from the case, lights it, walk around SSR and nicely buffs cigarette fume on SSR face. A superb performance, typical of NT style. One should watch the scene on the big screen to enjoy it.

* As usual, cute romantic scenes between NT and Padmini

* It must be mentioned here about NT's performance as Socrates, a western philosopher. This performance lasts for 7 minutes in the movie. The dialogue delivery was crisp clear, the body movment was accurate that reflected the age of Socrates and above all, NT brings the life to Socrates drama with his unmistakable performance. With his powerful performance, for 7 minutes, NT draws the audience to the edge of the seat and makes them to listen to the character attentively. When you get a chance, don't forget to note that NT, as Socrates, gives a glimpse of western philosophy teachings. The dialogue delivery was not emotional; it was slow and steady and NT reflected Socrates in an impeccable manner.

In all aspects, Raja Rani was a cute movie with romance, comedy and social message in it. However, there are few minuses:

1. SSR as villain, not a right choice. In fact, I have never liked SSR in NT movies; be it Parasakthi, Pachchai vilakku or Aalyamani.
2. the climax was so dramatic, expected.

An excellent movie for movie lovers, especially NT fans.

Nakeeran
6th February 2007, 02:36 PM
Tacinema

1. SSR as villain, not a right choice. In fact, I have never liked SSR in NT movies; be it Parasakthi, Pachchai vilakku or Aalyamani

What wrong did you find with SSR ? :shock:
Come out with some basis for your comment .

A very matured actor & does his part with perfection.

Infact in Pachai vilakku, as someone uneducated but very good at heart, he has played a superb character there.

And whats wrong with Aalayamani mann ? The scenes when both come across, are really nice ones to remember.

Parasakthi was his debut movie and rarely he makes his appearance except for 3 or 5 scenes. So whats wrong there ?

Have you seen Deiva piravi ?

Or for that matter Kai kodutha deivam ?

Better watch

mr_karthik
6th February 2007, 03:08 PM
Very sad, isn't it? While Navarathiri is noted solely for NT's versatility, it does not, I repeat, it does not have a great story. I don't mean not a good one, but compared to many other NT features, Navarathiri is not even a story at all. Story-wise, I think Muradan Muthu is far superior. Both are gems in its own way; too bad MM flopped.
I accept your ponit groucho,

Comapring several movies of NT (especially which were come in late 80s), Muradan Muthu is no doubt a gem. Shivaji, Dhevika, Bandhulu, Rajamma, Baby Shakila, Chandrakantha, Prem Nazir and even villy C.K.Saraswathi performed their part very well. Asokan being a guest artist also done his roll in a majestic way. The comedy of Nagesh and V.K.Ramasamy was wonderful.

Music was done by D.G.Lingappa (the music director of Bandhulu's early movie Thangamalai Ragasiyam). Songs are good to hear and watch

thaamaraipoo kulathile (TMS & PS)
kalyaana oorvalam paaru (PS)
kottaiyile oru aalamaram (Sirkazhi)
ponnaasai kondorku ullamillai (TMS)
sevvandhipoo pola oru kozhikunju (Soolamangalam)
sirikindra mugathai silai seythen (S.Janaki)

all are wonderful and worthful songs.

The affection shown by Baby Shakila on her chithappaa Shivaji will be a poetic touch. But the sad thing, she died due to the fearness she got by seeing the very big statue of Hanuman.

Totally Muradan Muthu is good movie, thatswhy get flopped.

Nakeeran
6th February 2007, 03:15 PM
I believe Nadigar Thilagam acted FREE for this movie MM .

Nakeeran
6th February 2007, 03:15 PM
I believe Nadigar Thilagam acted FREE for this movie MM .

sankara1970
6th February 2007, 03:49 PM
SSR and Gemini have acted in many NT moivies. Gemini was senior to NT and SSR

I read sometime, SSR had declined to act in a NT movie due to reasons not known,

and NT wanted Gemini to act in that movie. Gemini was very busy acting in lead roles.

Savithri has recommended to Gemini "Pls act for Annan (NT)" and Gemini had adjusted his dates to act in NT movie.

Together NT and Gemini have given very good movies. Pennin Perumai or Mangayar Thilagam was the first they acted together. In one of those movies, NT acted in negative character.

We should appreciate Gemini for his wholeheartedness.

Muthuraman also another senior actor who acted in many NT films.

Today how many actors will act like this?

groucho070
6th February 2007, 04:09 PM
Of the three, I'd always liked the chemistry between NT and Muthuraman. Muthuraman is an undoubtedly underrated actor. And Nakkeeran sar, I'd agree with Tac with SSR. I was never fascinated with his performance. His delivery of lines is excellent and that is all he is good at, I'm afraid. I have seen his films without NT (including the classic Rattakanneer) and would conclude the same. At least, GG has a niche of his own and can fit into the given films. SSR usually gives the same kind of performance in all films. No variety.

This does not mean that SSR is bad...it is just that his costars like NT are too powerful. SSR's style is mainly for good line delivery, for strong stirring speeches. But when it comes to intimate moments, he comes across as stiff. I know I am being too straight forward here, but that's my opinion.

I can't remember seeing SSR with MGR...having not seen Kanji Talaivan either. Both were strong DMK fronts. I wonder if there were rivarly between them...but this subject belongs in another thread.

joe
6th February 2007, 04:27 PM
Wow! Nice to see lot of useful discussions after long time. :D

Groucho,
I missed MM..Now I am going to try get it.

joe
6th February 2007, 04:31 PM
Agree with Nakeeran that SSR is a good actor .His dialogue delivery next only to NT.His performance in Pachavilakku as a uneducated one married to educated Vijayakumari is excellent..who can forget the song "Vaarathirupparo vanna malar kannan avan"

I heard when VeeraPandiya Kattabomman was in production ,Kannadasan produced 'Siva Gangai Seemai' with SSR in leading role..Huge expecattion for both movies ..but Sivagangai Seemai couldn't stand infront of VVK .kannadasan suffred a lot due to finacial loss..sad one!

mr_karthik
6th February 2007, 05:50 PM
Joe sir,

I also read one article about VPK and Sivagangai Seemai. That is initially SSR was booked for the roll 'Oomaithurai' in VPK. But his DMK cadres opposed him not to act in VPK, since Sivagangai Seemai was shooting done fastly to release opposite to VPK. (at that time Kannadasan was also in DMK party).

So SSR detached from VPK team and O.A.K.Thevar acted in that 'oomaithurai' roll (But no doubt OAK Thevar done that roll very well). We cant forget his dialogue when he start to go for battle :" Sundharavadivu..! vidai kodu. umiyai oothuvathu pol edhirigalai oothivittu vandhu vidukiren".

Nakeeran
6th February 2007, 06:14 PM
Yeah. Joe sir, the thread is back to nice discussions. :D

It will be interesting to analyze those co-stars ( male ) who acted with NT during his long innings.

1. Asokan- Karnan / Uyarndha manidhan
2. GG - Pasa malar / Pava mannippu / Parthal pasi theerum
3. SSR - Deiva piravi / Kungumam / Aalayamani / Pachai vilakku / Kai kodutha deivam / Parasakthi
4. Muthuraman - Sivandha mann / Karnan / Nenjirukkum varai
5. Major Sundarrajan ( Can we list his name also ! )
Many many movies .
6. Nagesh - THillana / Galata kalyanam .....many many movies
7. S.V.Rangarao - GOD ! :shock: May be , the best ever star who matched with NT !

Other names, I dont know pls.

Someone can make a start and analyze how they fared . :)

joe
7th February 2007, 08:12 AM
7. S.V.Rangarao - GOD ! :shock: May be , the best ever star who matched with NT !



True! 'Padikkatha Methai' ontre pothum :D

P_R
7th February 2007, 08:28 AM
SSR's style is mainly for good line delivery, for strong stirring speeches. But when it comes to intimate moments, he comes across as stiff. I know I am being too straight forward here, but that's my opinion. Exactly. And I'd say you are being really polite. When I first saaw the title 'latchiya nadigar' SSR, I asked my uncle who was watching Tv with me "avarukku enna latchiyam ?".
"nadikkiradhudhaan"

joe
7th February 2007, 08:31 AM
SSR's style is mainly for good line delivery, for strong stirring speeches. But when it comes to intimate moments, he comes across as stiff. I know I am being too straight forward here, but that's my opinion. Exactly. And I'd say you are being really polite. When I first saaw the title 'latchiya nadigar' SSR, I asked my uncle who was watching Tv with me "avarukku enna latchiyam ?".
"nadikkiradhudhaan"

'Ladchiya Nadigar' title given by his partymen for obvious reasons .SSR was a DMK partyman .He refused many roles which are not suit for his party policies .That is why they called him 'Ladchiya Nadigar'

P_R
7th February 2007, 08:43 AM
'Ladchiya Nadigar' title given by his partymen for obvious reasons .SSR was a DMK partyman .He refused many roles which are not suit for his party policies .That is why they called him 'Ladchiya Nadigar' Oho ! But I still like my uncle's interpretation :-)

joe
7th February 2007, 08:59 AM
'Ladchiya Nadigar' title given by his partymen for obvious reasons .SSR was a DMK partyman .He refused many roles which are not suit for his party policies .That is why they called him 'Ladchiya Nadigar' Oho ! But I still like my uncle's interpretation :-)

I don't agree :) ..Eppadi vendumentralum nadikalam entrillamal ippadi thaan nadippen entrirunthathaal (whether it is right or wrong)avar 'Ladchiya Nadigar'

thimuru
7th February 2007, 09:01 AM
joe...prabhu ram said he likes...doesnt say he accepts :roll:

infact I also liked that nakkal...

P_R
7th February 2007, 09:04 AM
Hey Joe, it was just meant as a nakkal statement.

joe
7th February 2007, 09:05 AM
joe...prabhu ram said he likes...doesnt say he accepts :roll:

infact I also liked that nakkal...

I didn't say I don't agree with his acceptance ,but I don't agree with his liking .is it ok?

NOV
7th February 2007, 09:11 AM
I didn't say I don't agree with his acceptance ,but I don't agree with his liking .is it ok?no it is NOT ok.

why should anyone agree or disagree with someone else's liking? :shock:

anyway, I dont like SSR's acting either. :poke:
pls Ongi onnu pOttidaatheenga :notthatway:

joe
7th February 2007, 09:13 AM
I didn't say I don't agree with his acceptance ,but I don't agree with his liking .is it ok?no it is NOT ok.



Yenpa! Ithayum oru nakkal-nnu eduthukkungalen :D

joe
7th February 2007, 09:14 AM
anyway, I dont like SSR's acting either. :poke:
pls Ongi onnu pOttidaatheenga :notthatway:

Me Too not a fan of SSR .But I liked him in 'Pachai Vilakku'

NOV
7th February 2007, 09:18 AM
Yenpa! Ithayum oru nakkal-nnu eduthukkungalen :Dnaa kooda.... :P

joe
7th February 2007, 09:22 AM
Nov,
Anyway,I agree that I can't disagree with someone's liking ..But here the sinerio is something rare .It looks nakkal for him since he didn't know why he is called 'Ladchiya Nadigar' ,but for me that nakkal doesn't suit ,since I know the reason behind the tile is entirely opposit to this nakkal ..

"What ever may be ,acting is his Ladchiyam" ..this is the nakkal ,but it doesn't suit here since "whatever may be" -nnu ilama irunthathala thaan avarukku antha title.

P_R
7th February 2007, 09:38 AM
Joe let me clarify.

I didn't know the reason behing the name till u mentioned.The nakkal has also been misunderstood. The joke was that his aim/goal was to act and we felt he hadn't achieved that goal :P. That was all. I didn't mean to say acting 'at all costs' was his aim. Reading it now, I see it comes across like that. Hope it is clear now.

thimuru
7th February 2007, 09:51 AM
ssr why always stands up his feet to deliver his dialogues?

kaalla mullu kuthuna maadhiri.... :lol:

joe
7th February 2007, 10:03 AM
Prabhu ram,
fair enough! Thanks :D

kalnayak
7th February 2007, 10:26 AM
I have read once that SSR was considered for NT's role in Parasakthi by AVM Chettiar. Because SSR too was good in dialog delivery and look was also good as NT was too thin during that time. But the other producer Perumal and the directors wanted NT to do the main role and SSR as his brother. NT improved his body and gave his performance. Rest is history.

As Joe said SSR stick to his party's wish of not doing any God or a puranic character role in his films. MGR acted once as Lord Murugan for a song sequence. But not SSR. That is why he is called 'Lakshiya nadigar'. Other wise, nakkal nallaththan irunthathu. He has acted in more than 100 films. Some of his memorable films are: Vaanambadi, Kumudham, Sivagangai Seemai, Deivapiravi, Kanchithalaivan, Patchai vilakku, Aalayamani.

mr_karthik
7th February 2007, 12:35 PM
SSR's style is mainly for good line delivery, for strong stirring speeches. But when it comes to intimate moments, he comes across as stiff. I know I am being too straight forward here, but that's my opinion. Exactly. And I'd say you are being really polite. When I first saaw the title 'latchiya nadigar' SSR, I asked my uncle who was watching Tv with me "avarukku enna latchiyam ?".
"nadikkiradhudhaan"

'Ladchiya Nadigar' title given by his partymen for obvious reasons .SSR was a DMK partyman .He refused many roles which are not suit for his party policies .That is why they called him 'Ladchiya Nadigar'
எதுக்கு பிரச்சினை?. எஸ்.எஸ்.ஆரே சொல்கிறர். கேட்போம்.

சமீபத்தில் தொலைக்காட்சி பேட்டியின்போது நிருபர் கேட்டார்:
"உங்களை லட்சிய நடிகர் என்று அழைக்கிறார்களே.அந்தப்பட்டம் எப்படி வந்தது?"

அதற்கு எஸ்.எஸ்.ஆர். பதில்:
"நான் ஒரு நாத்திகன். ஆகவே கடவுள் வேடங்களிலோ, அல்லது புராணப்படங்களிலோ நடிப்பதில்லை என்று உறுதியெடுத்து அதை இன்று வரை கடைபிடித்து வருகிறேன். என் உறுதியைப் பாராட்டி அறிஞர் அண்ணா தந்த பட்டம் தான் அது. இந்த லட்சியத்தால் ஏராளமான பட வாய்ப்புகளை இழந்திருக்கிறேன். ஆனாலும் நான் கவலைப்படவில்லை. எனக்கு லட்சியம்தான் முக்கியம்".

sankara1970
7th February 2007, 12:41 PM
In Seventies, when NT was President of Films Artist Federation, In the members meet it was decided not to field opposition against NT for the next term.

But last moment, SSR was fielded against NT.

NT wanted uninonimous selection and didn't expect this ditch.

NT got wild and decided he will never re-enter film chamber premises and he never did till his death.

During NT's presidentship, new building was constructed for film chamber.

mr_karthik
7th February 2007, 01:09 PM
7. S.V.Rangarao - GOD ! :shock: May be , the best ever star who matched with NT !



True! 'Padikkatha Methai' ontre pothum :D
Just compare S.V.Rengarao's performance in 'Padikkaatha Methai' and 'Raja'.

rendum rendu dhuruvangal. Can we imgine both are same person?.

thimuru
7th February 2007, 01:32 PM
S.V.Ranga rao is just amazing!

he is so casual...my most favourite charecter artist

joe
7th February 2007, 01:35 PM
SSR's style is mainly for good line delivery, for strong stirring speeches. But when it comes to intimate moments, he comes across as stiff. I know I am being too straight forward here, but that's my opinion. Exactly. And I'd say you are being really polite. When I first saaw the title 'latchiya nadigar' SSR, I asked my uncle who was watching Tv with me "avarukku enna latchiyam ?".
"nadikkiradhudhaan"

'Ladchiya Nadigar' title given by his partymen for obvious reasons .SSR was a DMK partyman .He refused many roles which are not suit for his party policies .That is why they called him 'Ladchiya Nadigar'
எதுக்கு பிரச்சினை?. எஸ்.எஸ்.ஆரே சொல்கிறர். கேட்போம்.

சமீபத்தில் தொலைக்காட்சி பேட்டியின்போது நிருபர் கேட்டார்:
"உங்களை லட்சிய நடிகர் என்று அழைக்கிறார்களே.அந்தப்பட்டம் எப்படி வந்தது?"

அதற்கு எஸ்.எஸ்.ஆர். பதில்:
"நான் ஒரு நாத்திகன். ஆகவே கடவுள் வேடங்களிலோ, அல்லது புராணப்படங்களிலோ நடிப்பதில்லை என்று உறுதியெடுத்து அதை இன்று வரை கடைபிடித்து வருகிறேன். என் உறுதியைப் பாராட்டி அறிஞர் அண்ணா தந்த பட்டம் தான் அது. இந்த லட்சியத்தால் ஏராளமான பட வாய்ப்புகளை இழந்திருக்கிறேன். ஆனாலும் நான் கவலைப்படவில்லை. எனக்கு லட்சியம்தான் முக்கியம்".

நன்றி!

Murali Srinivas
8th February 2007, 08:09 PM
Dear tac,

You wanted to know the period of Raja Rani but thanks to the confusion on SSR, it was forgotten. If my memory serves me right, the film was in 1954.

You mentioned many good things about this film. One thing you did not mention was the Cheran Senguttuvan drama scene, wherein NT did a 16 page dialogue in a single shot and a single take. The entire crew was so absorbed in by NT's performance, Bhimshingh forgot to say cut. A remarkable performance.

Regards

Rajkumar_mj
8th February 2007, 08:27 PM
Guys

I would appreciate , if you some one posted the review of Mudhal Mariyadhai and Irumbu Thirai.

P_R
9th February 2007, 12:21 AM
You mentioned many good things about this film. One thing you did not mention was the Cheran Senguttuvan drama scene, wherein NT did a 16 page dialogue in a single shot and a single take. The entire crew was so absorbed in by NT's performance, Bhimshingh forgot to say cut. A remarkable performance.
Was this the one with the puranAnootru thAi ?

During MK's 75th birthday function (Sivaji was the chief guest) he mentioned an incident where MK had written a long dialogue for SSR , so Sivaji wanted to him write one for him too. And then MK wrote one at very short notice. Was this the one ?

joe
9th February 2007, 09:28 AM
You mentioned many good things about this film. One thing you did not mention was the Cheran Senguttuvan drama scene, wherein NT did a 16 page dialogue in a single shot and a single take. The entire crew was so absorbed in by NT's performance, Bhimshingh forgot to say cut. A remarkable performance.
Was this the one with the puranAnootru thAi ?

During MK's 75th birthday function (Sivaji was the chief guest) he mentioned an incident where MK had written a long dialogue for SSR , so Sivaji wanted to him write one for him too. And then MK wrote one at very short notice. Was this the one ?

Exactly! :D

nerdy
9th February 2007, 10:49 AM
Guys

I would appreciate , if some one posted the review of Mudhal Mariyadhai and Irumbu Thirai.

joe
9th February 2007, 02:03 PM
Standing tall, shining still
T R JAWAHAR

That Sivaji Ganesan's statue has become sub-judice should be of little concern for his admirers. The actor non pareil stands tall in the hearts of the people.
Born into a poor family, Ganesan took flight from home at the tender age of seven to meet his tryst with destiny, on the stage and screen. The spark was evident from his early days. In fact, he defied all logic and rules of artistic evolution. Sivaji Ganesan was a consummate actor from day one!

'With my first movie itself, I landed on the moon', he once told this writer. In fact he said, 'moo...o oon' in his typical booming baritone with that all too familiar drag that was vintage Sivaji. For a prolific performer of his calibre he was too humble and ever remained an ardent student of his vocation, even after he had written and re-written the grammar of acting several times over. ' What do I know? I only did what my directors bid me to do. All credit goes to them'.

He was certainly not acting when he said this, but the remarkable under-statement reflected the character and disposition of the man to life and to his career. 'I can never become a director. I can only act and this I can and I want to do till my last breath. I am not so talented as these youngsters who could write, act, sing, dance and direct'.

I still remember those bulging, probing eyes rolling in mock seriousness when he made the statement. Sivaji never wavered from his karmic duty as an actor. He was never even tempted into lofty rhetoric when lesser beings in the industry used to harangue endlessly on the pros and cons of acting. But then Sivaji did not have to speak. His portrayals spoke a million words, wrote a thousand theories on the art and science of acting and has spawned generations of actors, all trying to imitate and emulate him.

The sheer volume of his output is astounding and the versatality and vitality of his performances confound all. The breath-taking array of his roles makes one wonder if it was really just one man who did all this. He could switch from extreme roles in a jiffy. The regal gait of a monarch and the clumsy walk of a village idiot, the cunning viles of a villain or the utopian goodness of a hero, a doting father or a wayward son, a sanguine saint or a senseless maniac, as Lord Shiva or His devotee, from a short-tempered musician to a soft-spoken family man, you name it, and a visage of Sivaji would pop up your mind's screen. He was the undisputed master of melodrama and little wonder that the people of Tamilnadu, have laughed and wept with him for over five decades and will do so for time immemorial by watching his immortal performances.

Sivaji Ganesan was an ageless wonder. If the current generation were to study his career they would emerge completely confused about the chronology of his movies. Would anyone believe if I say that he did Navarathiri, Karnan and Puthiya Paravai in the same year? Or for that matter Thillana Mohanambal and Ooty Varai Uravu? Or again Thiruvarutchelvar and Iru Malargal? And to think that he was just thirty one when he played Kattabomman, the macho Tamil chieftain who dared the British or as the venerable V.O.C just a year later! For him acting was a series of different states of mind and the moment his mood shifted to the latest role on hand, the inner spirit automatically generated the relevant body language and expressions on the exterior. Here was a man whose every cell, every drop of blood, every sinew and muscle could act, thus creating a colossal facade that was much, much more than the sum of all its parts.

Such was the range of his histrionic abilities that he dwarfed all his peers and strode the tinsel world like a towering titan. Bestowed with an imposing demeanour, a powerful screen presence, a resonating voice that could also melt into a cool stream and vibrant eyes housed in a remarkable face, Sivaji was a make-up man's delight and a director's dream.

Sivaji was often accused of over emoting, but then with his bottomless ocean of skill, he could carry on till eternity unless the director bothered to say 'cut'. And few directors had the heart to stop the deluge and often left it to his fans to consume to their fill. In a way such directors did him a dis-service, but Sivaji had also proved that he was capable of 'restraining' himself if the director wanted it that way and movies like Sridhar's Nenjirukkum Varai, Balachander's Yethiroli and Savale Samali stand testimony to this facet of the actor. Sivaji was a gold mine of talent. He could be presented as raw gold, cut to size, polished to taste, made into any kind of jewellery or moulded into any shape. It was wholly upto the director to take his pick. But he was gold all the same, pure and pristine.

Sivaji was a national treasure but was also sadly a victim of regional bias. In a milieu dominated by Hindi film intellectuals who moulded filmi opinion at the national level, Sivaji was deliberately overlooked, though international recognition came his way unsolicited. For them Dilip Kumar and Raj Kapoor were pan Indian icons but Sivaji never figured in their scheme of things just because he hailed from a regional filmdom and spoke a local tongue. And paradoxically for him, in Tamilnadu he suffered because of the reverse effect. While he threw his lot with a national party, he was promptly sidelined owing to the dominance of Dravidian politicians of the sixties, who had appointed themselves as the sole custodians of Tamil. Could there ever be a greater protagonist of Tamil than Sivaji Ganesan or has anyone else enriched and elevated the language as he did, beyond paroachical walls and transcending State borders? Though Sivaji Ganesan brought glory and world attention to the State and his mother tongue, it is also a fact that he was badly let down here. An artiste of international stature was confined to totally local terrain.

All said, Sivaji Ganesan would ever remain the mascot for acting, for admirers and critics alike.

joe
9th February 2007, 02:40 PM
http://tamilmagan.blogspot.com/2006/07/missed-bus.html

missed the bus... சிவாஜியின் ஏக்கம்

ஒவ்வொரு சமூகத்திலும் மகத்தான கலைஞர்கள் புறக்கணிக்கப்படுகிறார்கள். ஒன்று; மக்களால் புறக்கணிக்கப்படுகிறார்கள். இரண்டு; ஆட்சியாளர்களால். ஓயாத அலைகளைப் போலான மனக் குமுறலுடல்களுடனான வாழ்க்கை மெய்யான கலைஞனது. அத்தகைய மாபெரும் கலைஞனான சிவாஜிக்குள்ளும் குமுறல்கள் இருந்துள்ளன. அவரின் மறைவின் போதாவது அவரது மனக்குமுறல்களை வாசகர்களுக்கு எடுத்துக் காட்டுவதன் மூலம் இன்னொரு கலைஞனுக்கு இந்த அவலம் நேர விடாமல் தவிர்க்கவே இந்த நேர்காணல் மறு பிரசுரம் செய்யப்படுகிறது....

ஒரு கலைஞனுக்கு உண்மையான அங்கீகாரம் எனறு எதை நினைக்கிறீர்கள்? விருது மட்டும் திறமைக்கான முழு அங்கீகாரம் இல்லையென்றாலும், உரிய காலத்தில் அத்தகைய விருதுகள் கிடைக்காதது நல்ல கலைஞனை மனமுடையச் செய்யும் தானே...உங்கள் விஷயத்தில் எப்படி?

ஒரு கலைஞனை சிறந்த நடிகராக மக்கள் ஏற்றுக் கொள்ளும் போதுதான் முழுமை அடைகிறான். அதுதான் அங்கீகாரம். தான் ஏற்ற பாத்திரத்தை உணரும் போதுதான் அதில் முழுமையாக ஒரு நடிகன் வெளிப்பட முடியும். அதுதான் அவனுக்கு அங்கீகாரத்தைப் பெற்றுத் தரும். எத்தனையோ பேர் நடிக்க வருகிறார்கள். ...எல்லோரையுமா சிறந்த நடிகன் என்று மக்கள் ஏற்றுக் கொள்கிறார்கள்?
அங்கீகாரம் கிடைப்பதற்கும் விருது கிடைப்பதற்கும் சம்பந்தமில்லை. யாரோ ஒருவர் இஷ்டப்பட்டுக் கொடுத்தாத்தான் விருது. அர்ஜுனா விருது, பாரத் விருது போன்றவற்றை பலருக்குக் கொடுத்திருக்கிறார்கள். எல்லாருமா அதற்குத் தகுதியானவர்கள்? 'லாபி' செய்து விருது வாங்குகிறார்கள். இன்னும் எப்படியெல்லாமோ நடக்கிறது.
ஒரு கலைஞனுக்கு விருது என்பது, அவன் வேகமாக வளரும் இளம் வயதில் கிடைக்க வேண்டும். அப்போதுதான் அவன் அதைக் கொண்டாட முடியும். விருது தந்த ஊக்கத்தில் அவன் கூடுதலாகப் பரிமளிப்பான். கமல், ரஜினி, பிரபு, சத்யராஜ் போன்ற சின்னப் பிள்ளைகளுக்கு விருது கொடுத்தால் அவர்கள் கொண்டாடுவார்கள். நான் இதையெல்லாம் கடந்தவன்.
ஆனாலும் ஒன்றை நான் சொல்லித்தான் ஆகவேண்டும். உரிய காலத்தில் கிடைக்கவில்லை என்ற ஆதங்கமும் வருத்தமும் என் மனத்தின் ஓரத்தில் விண் விண் என்று இருக்கத்தான் செய்கிறது. நானும் மனுஷன்தானே......இதை மறைத்தால் என்னைவிட அயோக்கியன் யாரும் இருக்க முடியாது.

பால்கே விருது எப்போதோ உங்களுக்குக் கிடைத்திருக்க வேண்டும் இவ்வளவு காலம் தாமதமானதற்கு என்ன காரணம் என்று நினைக்கிறீர்கள்? விருது வழங்குவதில் அரசியல் தலையீடு, பாரபட்சம் இருப்பதாகக் கருதுகிறீர்களா?

பாரட்சம் இருக்கலாம், அரசியல் தலையீடு இருக்கும் என்று நினைக்கவில்லை. நானும் அரசியலில் இருந்தவன். அப்படிச் சொன்னால் அசிங்கமாக இருக்கும். மேலும் அரசியல் தலையீடு இருக்கிறது என்று சொன்னால் அதில் எவ்வளவு தூரம் உண்மை இருக்குமென்று தெரியவில்லை. பால்கே விருது பெரிய விருது. அது ஏன் இத்தனை நாள் எனக்குக் கிடைக்கவில்லையென்று யோசித்துப் பார்த்தபோது.....எனக்குக் கிடைத்த தகவலை உங்களுக்குச் சொல்கிறேன்.
இந்த விருதுக்குரியவர்களைத் தேர்ந்தெடுப்பதற்கென்று ஒரு குழு இருக்கிறது. அந்தக் குழு பரிந்துரைக்கும் பட்டியல் சம்பந்தப்பட்ட அமைச்சருக்குச் செல்கிறது. அவர் ஆசாபாசம் இல்லாதவராக இருந்தால் தகுதியானவருக்குக் கிடைக்கும். இல்லையென்றால் அவர் விரும்பும் நபருக்குத் தான் விருது செல்கிறது. இதுவரைக்கும் இப்படித்தான் நடந்தது என்று - எனக்குத் தெரியாது. தில்லியிலே இருக்கிற சர்க்கார் உத்யோகஸ்தர்கள் சொல்கிறார்கள் எனக்கு இந்த வருடம் விருது கிடைத்ததே... அதுவும் சாதாரணமாகக் கிடைக்கவில்லை... வேறு ஒருவருக்ககுப் போய்விட்டுத்தான் என்னிடம் திரும்பி வந்திருக்கிறது. இதையும் அந்த சர்க்கார் உத்யோகஸ்தர்களே என்னிடம் சொன்னார்கள்.

உங்களுக்கு செவாலியே விருது அளிப்பதென்று பிரெஞ்சு அரசு முடிவு செய்த பின்னரும் அது தாமதமானதற்கு புதுவை அரசு ஆர்வம் காட்டாததுதான் காரணம் என்று கூறப்படுகிறதே... உண்மையா?

ஒன்பது நீதிபதிகள் அடங்கிய குழுதான் செவாலியே விருதுக்குரியவர்களைத் தேர்ந்தெடுக்கிறது. கிட்டதட்ட எனது படங்கள் எல்லாவற்றையும் அவர்கள் பார்த்திருக்கிறார்கள். எனக்கு செவாலியே விருது கிடைத்த பிறகுதான் ஹாலிவுட் நடிகர் ஒருவருக்கு இந்த விருது கிடைத்தது.
அதாவது அவர்கள் முதலில் என்னைத்தான் Recognise செய்திருக்கிறார்கள். தேர்வுக் குழு எனது பெயரை விருதுக்குப் பரிந்துரைத்தவுடன் பிரெஞ்சு அரசாங்கம் புதுவை அரசுக்குக் கடிதம் எழுதியிருக்கிறது. ஆனால் புதுவையிலிருந்து பதில் போகவில்லை. புதுவையை ஒருகாலத்திலே பிரெஞ்சு அரசுதானே ஆட்சி செய்தது. பிரெஞ்சுக்காரன் நம்மை ஆட்டிப் படைச்சானே என்ற கோபத்தில் அந்தக் கடுதாசியைத் தூக்கிப் போட்டுட்டாங்க போலிருக்கு.! பிறகு அங்குள்ள இந்திய மக்களிடம் விசாரித்து ஒருவழியாக முடிவு செய்து பிரெஞ் நாட்டுத் தூதர் மூலமாக அந்த விருது என்னிடம் வந்து சேர்ந்தது.
எனக்கு அந்த விருதைக் கொடுக்க மூன்று வருடங்களாக பிரெஞ்சு அரசாங்கம் முயற்சி செய்திருக்கிறது. அதைக் கழிச்சுக் கட்டிட்டாங்க. அது யாருன்னு, எனக்குத் தெரியாது. ஆனால் புதுவையில்தான் அப்படி நடந்தது என்று தெரிந்துவிட்டது.
செவாலியே விருது யாருக்கும் எளிதில் கிடைத்துவிடாது. அதிலேயே 1,2,3 என மூன்று வகையான விருதுகள் உண்டு. எனக்குக் கிடைத்தது முதல்தர விருது உண்மையச் சொன்னால் அந்த விருது எவ்வளவு மதிப்ப மிக்கது என்று எனக்கு முதலில் தெரியாது. இங்குள்ளவர்களுக்கு தெரியவில்லை. தெய்வாதீனமாக ஒரு காரியம் நடந்தது.
சகோதரி நடிகை ராதிகாவின் கணவர் ஒரு வெள்ளைக்காரர். அவர்தான் எனக்கு விருது கிடைத்த விஷயம் தெரிந்தவுடன் ராதிகாவிடம் செவாலியே விருது மிகப் பெரிய விருதாயிற்றே.. அது வந்த பிறகும் சிவாஜியை இன்னும் நீங்க யாரும் கண்டு கொள்ளவில்லையே... என்று கேட்டிருக்கிறார். ராதிகா அதுபற்றி கமல், ரஜினி போன்றவர்களிடம் பேச அதற்குப் பிறகுதான் அந்த விருதின் மதிப்பு பற்றி எல்லோருக்கும் தெரிந்திருக்கிறது. அதைத் தொடர்ந்து தான் ஏ.வி.எம்.சரவணன் மற்றும் நடிகர்கள் எல்லோரும் சேர்ந்து பெரிய விழா நடத்தி அந்த விருதை எனக்குத் தந்தார்கள். தில்லியிலுள்ள பிரெஞ்சு தூதர் சென்னை வந்து அந்த விருதை வழங்கினார்.

இதுவரை நீங்கள் நடித்த பாத்திரங்கள் உங்களுக்கே சவாலாக இருந்த பாத்திரம் எது? உங்களுக்கு முழுத் திருப்தியளித்த படம் எது?
கப்பலோட்டிய தமிழன்தான் எனக்குச் சவாலாக இருந்த பாத்திரம் அந்தப் படத்தைப் பார்த்துவிட்டு வ.உ.சி-யின் புதல்வர் என்னைக் கட்டிப்பிடித்துக் கொண்டு "ஐயாவை நேரில் பார்த்தேன்" என்று சொன்னார். நீங்கள் கேட்டீர்களே.......அங்கீகாரம் எது என்று? இதைவிட ஒரு நடிகனுக்கு பெரிய அங்கீகாரம் எதுவாக இருக்கமுடியும். எனக்கு முழுத் திருப்தியளித்த படம் தெய்வமகன், மூன்று வேடம். சிரமப்பட்டுத்தான் நடித்தேன்.
கிட்டத்தட்ட 300 படங்களில் நூற்றுக்கணக்கான பாத்திரங்களில் நடித்திருக்கிறீர்கள். குறுகிய இடைவெளிக்குள் ஒரு பாத்திரமாக உங்களை மாற்றிக் கொள்வது typical mental exercise இருந்திருக்குமே.....அதை நிங்கள் சமாளித்தது எப்படி?

அது ஒன்றும் பெரிய காரியமில்லை. பழக்கத்தில் வருவதுதான். அன்றாடம் நமக்கு ஓய்வு கிடைக்கும் போதெல்லாம் நடிக்கும் பாத்திரம் பற்றி சிந்திக்கவேண்டும். நமக்கு எங்கே ஓய்வு கிடைக்கும்? கழிவறை அல்லது குளியலறை தான். அங்கேதான் யாரும் கதவைத் தட்டி தொந்தரவு செய்யமாட்டார்கள். அந்தச் சமயத்தில் இன்றைக்கு என்ன நடிக்கப் போகிறோம் என்று யோசனை செய்வேன். பிறகு மேக்-அப் போட்டுக் கெண்டிருக்கும்போது.... மதியம் சாப்பாட்டுக்குப் பிறகு சற்றே தலைசாய்த்து இருக்கும் போது... இது மாதிரி இடையிடையே கிடைக்கும் சந்தர்ப்பங்களிலெல்லாம் பாத்திரங்களுக்கு மெருகேற்றுவது எப்படி என்று யோசிப்பேன். இப்படி யோசிப்பவன்தான் நடிகன். இதைவிட்டுவிட்டு எங்க வீட்டுக்காரரும் கச்சேரிக்குப் போறாரு என்கிற பாணியில் வந்தோம் நடிப்பது போல ஏதோ செய்தோம் என்று இருக்கலாமா? நாம் என்ன செய்யப் போகிறோம் என்று யோசித்தாலே போதும். கிடைக்கிற அரை மணிநேரத்தைப் பயன்படுத்திக் கொண்டு ஒரு பாத்திரத்தை முழுமையாகச் செய்யவில்லையென்றால் நீங்க ஏன் நடிகன்னு சொல்றீங்க? அதைவிட தீவட்டின்னு சொல்லுங்க.... என்னைப் பொருத்தவரையில், ஆஸ்திக வார்த்தையில் சொல்வதானால் அது ஒரு வரப்பிரசாதம். சாதாரண வார்த்தையில் நன்றியறிதலோடு சொன்னால் எனக்குக் கிடைத்தது - நல்ல குரு. அவர் தந்த பயிற்சி.

உங்கள் குரு யார்?
நடிப்பில் எனக்கு ஒரே ஒரு குரு தான் உண்டு. அவர் சின்ன பொன்னுசாமி படையாச்சி. நான் சிறுவயதில் யதார்த்தம் பொன்னுசாமி பிள்ளை நாடகக் கம்பெனியில்தான் முதலில் சேர்ந்தேன். அங்கே தான் எனது குரு பொன்னுசாமி படையாச்சியும் வேலை செய்தார். இருவர் பெயரும் ஒரே மாதிரி இருந்ததால். முதலாளி பெரிய பொன்னுசாமி என்றும் எங்கள் குரு சின்ன பொன்னுசாமி என்றும் அழைக்கப்பட்டனர். ஏழு வயதிலிருந்து ஐந்தாறு வருஷங்கள் எனக்குப் பயிற்சி தந்தவர் சின்ன பொன்னுசாமி படையாச்சி. மறந்துவிட்டீர்களா, நான் ஒரு பெண் வேஷக்காரன் என்பதை. தலைமைப் பெண் வேஷக்காரன் நான். எங்கள் குருவும் பெண் வேஷக்காரர்தான் பெண் வேஷம் போடும் நடிகன் தான் ஆல் ரவுண்டராக வரமுடியும். முழுமையான நடிகனாகப் பரிமளிக்க முடியும்.

நீங்கள் அரசியலில் செல்வாக்குப் பெற்றிருந்த காலத்திலாவது, எம்.ஜி.ஆர் போல நாமும் நல்ல பாத்திரங்களிலேயே நடிக்கவேண்டும் என்று நினைக்கவில்லையா?

இல்லை. நடிப்புக்கும் அரசியலுக்கும் சம்பந்தம் இல்லையென்று நான் நினைத்தேன். ஆனால் சம்பந்தம் உண்டு என மக்கள் நிரூபித்துவிட்டார்கள். அதனால் தான் எம்.ஜி.ஆர் அரசியலில் வெற்றிபெற்றார். He did it. I missed the bus, எனக்கு அரசியல் இரண்டாம்பட்சம்தான் நான் குடிகாரனாக பெண் பித்தனாக, கொலைகாரனாக, ரவுடியாக பல பாத்திரங்களில் நடித்தேன். அதனால்தான் 300 படங்களில் நடிக்க முடிந்தது.
அரசியலில் இன்று வந்துவிட்டு நாளை போய்விடுவார்கள். எத்தனை பேருக்கு பேர் இருக்கு? செல்லாக் கோபம் பொறுமைக்கு அழகு என்று கூட எடுத்துக் கொள்ளலாம். அரசியலில் எனக்குப் பெரிய வாய்ப்பு கிடைக்கவில்லை என்பதற்காக சீ! இந்தப் பழம் புளிக்கும் என்று சொல்வதாகக்கூட வைத்துக் கொள்ளுங்களேன்...
இந்த இடத்தில் நான் ஒரு உண்மையைச் சொல்லித்தான் ஆகவேண்டும். மக்கள் என்னை அரசியல்வாதியாகப் பார்க்க விரும்பவில்லை என்பதைப் பின்னாளில் தான் புரிந்துகொண்டேன். அவர்கள் என்னை நடிகனாக மட்டும்தான் பார்க்க விரும்பியிருக்கிறார்கள். எத்தனையோ நடிகர்கள் அரசியலுக்கு வந்திருக்கிறார்கள்... அத்தனை பேருமா தலைவராக முடிந்தது? சிலபேர் நடிப்பிலே வெற்றி அடையவில்லையென்றால் அரசியல்வாதியாக மாறிவிடுகிறார்கள்.

இது கடந்த கால அரசியல் பற்றி உங்கள் விமர்சனம் போல் இருக்கிறதே?

கடந்த கால வரலாற்றை ஏன் சொல்றீங்க...நிகழ்கால, எதிர்கால வரலாற்றைப் பாருங்கள். அதுவும் இப்படித்தான் நடக்கிறது நடக்கப் போகிறது.!

ஒரு காலத்தில் Over Acting செய்வதாக உங்கள் மீது விமர்சனம் எழுப்பப்பட்டதே.... இப்போது அதைப் பற்றி என்ன நினைக்கிறீர்கள்?

இதயம் பேசுகிறது மணியன்தான் அப்படி எழுதினார். சிவாஜி சகாப்தம் முடிந்துவிட்டது என்று எழுதியதும் அவர்தான். திராவிடப் பாரம்பரியம் பற்றி தப்புத் தப்பாக எழுதியவர்களில் முக்கியமானவர் மணியன். அவருக்கு கலைஞர் தலைமையில் ஒரு பாராட்டுவிழா நடந்தது. அதற்கு மணியனே நேரில் வந்து அழைத்ததால் நானும் சென்றிருந்தேன். எனக்கும் அரசியலுக்கும் சம்பந்ததே இல்லை என்று மணியன் அங்கு பேசினார். நான் பேசும்போது திராவிடப் பாரம்பரியம் பற்றி விமர்சித்து எழுதியவர் இவர்தான். இப்போது அறிவாலயத்தில் கலைஞர் தலைமையில் இவருக்குப் பாராட்டு விழா நடக்கிறது. இதிலிருந்தே அரசியல் தந்திரம் நிறைந்தவர் என்று புரியும் என்று பேசினேன். ஐயய்யோ, நான் அப்படி இல்லை என்று மணியன் புலம்பினார். அது போகட்டும்.
Bad Actor ஒருவன் இருப்பான். அவனைச் சுற்றி நான்கைந்து எழுத்தாளர்கள் இருப்பார்கள். தன்னுடைய ஆளைப் பெரிய நடிகன் என்று காட்டுவதற்காக, நான்றாக நடிப்பவனை ஓவர் ஆக்டிங் என்று சொல்வார்கள், பொதுவாக நம்ம ஊரில் யாருமே தான் நல்லவன்னு சொல்லமாட்டானே..அடுத்தவனை மட்டம் தட்டினால்தான் தான் நல்லவனாக முடியும் அதுபோலத்தான் இந்த விமர்சனமும் வந்தது.

உங்களுக்கு ஜோடியாக நடித்த நடிகைகளில் உங்களுக்கு இணையாக நடிப்புத் திறமை வெளிப்படுத்தியவர் யார்?

நிச்சயமாக பப்பிதான் (பத்மினி), பப்பி சிறந்த நாட்டியக்காரி மட்டுமல்ல. சிறந்த அழகியும்கூட. குணச்சித்திரம், காமெடி, நடனம், what not? எல்லாப் பாத்திரங்களிலும் ஜொலித்த நடிகை She is an all rounder. சின்ன வயதிலிருந்தே நானும் பத்மினியும் பழகி வருகிறோம். We are all intellectual friends. எங்களிடையே தெய்வீக நட்பு உண்டு. உலகிலேயே அதிகப்படங்களில் நடித்த ஒரே ஜோடி என்றால், அது நானும் பத்மினியுமாகத்தான் இருக்கவேண்டும்.

காமெடி, குணச்சித்திரம் வில்லன் - இவற்றில் ஒரு நடிகனுக்கு கடினமான பாத்திரம் எது?

காமெடிதான். காமெடி நடிகனைப் போல ஒரு Creator யாரும் கிடையாது. இப்போதுள்ள இலக்கணப&#302

joe
9th February 2007, 02:42 PM
காமெடி, குணச்சித்திரம் வில்லன் - இவற்றில் ஒரு நடிகனுக்கு கடினமான பாத்திரம் எது?

காமெடிதான். காமெடி நடிகனைப் போல ஒரு Creator யாரும் கிடையாது. இப்போதுள்ள இலக்கணப்படி புருவத்தைத் தூக்கி ஹா ஹா என்று சிரித்துவிட்டால் வில்லன் என்று சொல்கிறார்கள். கொஞ்சம் அழகா இருந்து. காலரைத் தூக்கிவிட்டுக் கொண்டு டான்ஸ் ஆடி, இரண்டு குத்துகுத்திட்டா ஹீரோன்னு சொல்கிறார்கள். காமெடி அப்படியில்லை, அந்த வேஷம் கஷ்டமானது. எனக்கு காமெடி நல்லா வரும் ஆனால் கொடுக்கமாட்டாங்க.. வசனம் பேசுவது, 'எமோஷன்' எல்லாம் என்னாவது? வைத்திருக்கும் கிளிசரீன் என்னாவது? இதற்கெல்லாம் நான்தானே சார் கிடைத்தேன்... (சிரிக்கிறார்)
-தமிழ்மகன்
(1998)

joe
9th February 2007, 03:00 PM
நடிகர் திலகம் நடித்த 'ஞான ஒளி' படத்தில் இடம்பெற்ற...

தேவனே என்னைப் பாருங்கள் -என்
பாவங்கள் தம்மை வாங்கிக் கொள்ளுங்கள்
என்ற பாடலை மறக்க முடியுமா?

எம்.எஸ்.விஸ்வநாதன் அவர்கள் இசையமைத்த இந்த பாடலின் நடுவே..

" ஓ...மைலார்ட்...பார்டன் மீ....
உங்கள் மந்தையில் இருந்து இரண்டு ஆடுகள்
வேறு வேறு பாதையில் போய்விட்டன...
இரண்டும் சந்தித்த போது பேச முடியவில்லையே..."
என்று உணர்வுபூர்வமாக வசனங்கள் இடம் பெற்றிருந்ததன.

டி.எம்.எஸ் பாடிய அந்தப் பாடலில் வரும் மேற்படி வசனங்களை மட்டும்... நடிகர் திலகத்தையே பேசும்படி எம்.எஸ்.வி வேண்டுகேள் விடுத்தார்.

இந வசனங்கள் பாடலில் எந்த இடத்தில் வருகின்றன என்பதை பாடிக்காட்டுவார்கள்" என்று எம்.எஸ்.விஸ்வநாதனிடம் சிவாஜி கேட்க உடனே எம்.எஸ்.வி...

" ஆயிரம் நன்மை தீமைகள்
நாங்கள் செய்கின்றோம்..
நீங்கள் அறிவீர் ...மன்னித்தருள்வீர்"
என்று பாடிக் காட்டி ..இந்த இடத்தில் தான் தாங்கள்....'O lord pardone me' என்று ஆரம்பமாகும் வசனத்தை நீங்கள் பேசவேண்டும் என்றார்.

இவ்வளவு உச்சஸ்தாயியில் கொண்டு போய் பாடலை நிறுத்தி இருக்கிறீர்கள். அதற்கு ஈடுகொடுத்க்டு என்னால் பேச முடியாது என்றே நினைக்கிறேண். வேறு பொருத்தமானவரக்ளை அழைத்து அந்த வசனங்களைப் பேச வையுங்கள் என்றார் நடிகர் திலகம் தமக்கே இயல்பான வெளிப்படை பண்புடன்'

வயலின் வாத்தியார் கலைஞரும் , தமது உதவியாளருமான ஜோசப் கிருஷ்ணாவை அழைத்து அந்த வசனங்களைப் பேச வைத்தார் எம்.எஸ்.விஸ்வநாதன்.

ஆனால் அவரது குரல் அந்தப் பாடலின் வீச்சுக்குப் பொருத்தி வரவில்லை.'பல்குரல் வித்தனர்' சதன் என்பவரைக் கூப்பிட்டு ('அவள் ஒரு தொடர்கதை' படத்தில் எஸ்.பி.பி. பாடிய கடவுள் அமைத்து வைத்த மேடை' பாடலில் பல குரல்களில் அமர்க்களப்படுத்தியவர் இந்த 'சதன்') இதே வசனத்தைப் பேச வைத்தார் எம்.எஸ்.வி.

ஆனால் , அதுவும் பாடலின் போக்கோடு ஒன்றிப்போகாமல் தனித்து நின்றது.

நடப்பதை எல்லாம் தூரத்தில் அமர்ந்து வேடிக்கை பார்த்துக் கொண்டிருந்த இயக்குனர் கிருஷ்ணன் - பஞ்சு, எம்.எஸ்.வியை அழைத்து...

பாடலைப் பாடிய டி.எம்.எஸ்ஸையே அந்த வசனங்களையும் பேச வைத்துப் பார்க்கலாமே என்றார்.

எம்.எஸ்.வி டி.எம்.எஸ்ஸிடம் அந்த வசனங்களைக்கொடுத்து பேசுமாறு வேண்டினார்.

டி.எம்.எஸ் நடிகர் திலகத்தின் அருகில் சென்றார்.அந்த வசனங்களை நடிகர் திலகத்திடம் கொடுத்தார்.

உங்கள் சிம்மக்குரலில்...அந்த வசனங்களை ஒரு தடவை எனக்குப் பேசிக்காட்டுங்கள் அய்யா" என்றார்.

நடிகர் திலகம் , அந்த வசனங்களை தமது பாணியில் டி.எம்.எஸ்ஸிடம் பேசிக்காட்டினார்.

அந்த வசனங்களில் பேசிய போது நடிகர் திலகத்தின் குரலில் இருந்த பாவங்களையும் ஏற்ற இறக்கங்களையும்,உணர்வுக் குமிழிகளையும் , உன்னதங்களையும் அப்படியே தமது மனதில் உள் வாங்கிக் கொண்டார் டி.எம்.எஸ்.

நான் தயார் ஒலிப்பதிவை ஆரம்பிக்கலாமா?" என்று டி.எம்.எஸ் சொன்னதும் ...எம்.எஸ்.வி கையசைத்தார்.

ஏக்கமும் விரக்தியும் தேவ விசுவாசமும் கொண்ட ஒரு பக்தனின் 'ஞானதேடல்' விளங்கும் விதமாக உணர்ச்சைப் பிழம்பாக மாறி அந்த வசனத்தைப் பேசினார் டி.எம்.எஸ்

'அருமை டி.எம்.எஸ் அற்புதம் ' என்று நடிகர் திலகம் பாராட்டினார்.


-யாழ் சுதாகர்[tscii:d51872bee5][/tscii:d51872bee5]

thimuru
9th February 2007, 04:26 PM
great interview!

he got the highest grade in chevailier... :clap:

tacinema
12th February 2007, 08:35 AM
Nakeeran: I have nothing against SSR. It is just I feel that something is missing when he acts with NT. SSR's tamil diction and pronunciation were good. My issue is with his expression and it was never effective. When SSR delivers a lengthy and emotional dialogue, it looks like he is expressing it in front of tamil teacher (manappadam seithu oppithal). That is where NT differs; his modulation is awesome and expression is very effective and gripping. Now, you can see why NT's VPK was a run-away success movie and SSR's Sivagangai Seemai wasn't.

Now turn to co-stars of NT. It is a long list: SSR, GG, Muthuraman, Balaji, SVRengarao, Major Sundarajan, AVM Rajan, Jai Shankar (mostly later in 80s), and so on. I am not including Nagesh and TS Balaiah here. Of all, I like GG and Muthuraman. As groucho said, GG had a niche(romantic) part in all movies with NT, especially Paa series. Muthuraman was excellent with NT. Especially Sivantha Mann; Muthuraman, as NT's friend, appears in a guest role but it was a powerful one and he delivered it great. I believe NT did this role when Sridhar made this movie in Hindi. Additionally, I also like Jai with NT. Especially, in the later movies such as Vaazhkai where Jai, as NT's friend, did an excellent job.

Murali: Thanks for your response. It is amazing that in 1 year of his acting career (debut in 1953), NT delievered a matured performance in Raja Rani. As you said, NT as Cheran Senguttavan was great. But, when you compare NT as Cheran senguttavan vs Socrates, I think the latter stands tall. That was the reason I did not mention about Cheran senguttuvan. I would like to watch another NT's old movie Kuravanchi. Do you have any idea about this movie? If so, please write about it.

More later.

joe
12th February 2007, 01:18 PM
NT -Bio data
http://www.nilacharal.com/enter/celeb/sivaji.html

saradhaa_sn
12th February 2007, 03:09 PM
NT -Bio data
http://www.nilacharal.com/enter/celeb/sivaji.html
Dear Joe

I have gone through the Bio-Data.

In the 'OTHER FACTS' column, they mentioned only 'he erected Kattabomman statue in Kayathar' and 'he donated for erection of Shivaji Maharaj statue at Bombay'.

But they omitted to mention "Shivaji donated Thiruvalluvar statue, which is erected in Marina Beach, Chennai during 'Ulaga thamizh mAnAdu' in 1968'.

We can see it is mentioned in the erection stone in the bottom of the statue.

joe
12th February 2007, 03:17 PM
NT -Bio data
http://www.nilacharal.com/enter/celeb/sivaji.html
Dear Joe

I have gone through the Bio-Data.

In the 'OTHER FACTS' column, they mentioned only 'he erected Kattabomman statue in Kayathar' and 'he donated for erection of Shivaji Maharaj statue at Bombay'.

But they omitted to mention "Shivaji donated Thiruvalluvar statue, which is erected in Marina Beach, Chennai during 'Ulaga thamizh mAnAdu' in 1968'.

We can see it is mentioned in the erection stone in the bottom of the statue.

Saradha madam,
I agree with you ..But if they list out all it will be endless .Example ,Kamarajar Statue ,Nesamony statue in my home town Nagercoil (NT's fort) was donated by NT (It is mentioned there).

thinkfloyd
14th February 2007, 11:14 AM
http://www.ibnlive.com/news/meet-a-diehard-sivaji-ganesan-fan/top/33518-8.html

Chennai: It's Valentine's Day and for 48-year-old Girija, it's time to celebrate her love for the late Tamil celluloid icon, Sivaji Ganesan.

As one steps into this die-hard Sivaji Ganesan fan's home in Chennai, one is bound to be bowled over by the huge collection of photographs, posters, articles, tapes, CDs or just about anything on the actor.

"I like his acting skills. Earlier, I used to cut out articles and photos from newspapers and magazines and send it to him," says S Girija, who confesses of being a fan for over 20 years now.

The lady reads like an encyclopedia on the legendary actor, ask her about his movies and pop comes the answer: "He's done 288 films in which he plays the hero and 17 others in cameo roles."

As if that was not enough, she's knows it all about Sivaji Ganesan's special characteristics, be it acting, his modulation, dialogue or dance.

And when it comes to loyalty, it's difficult to find a fan as faithful as Girija: "I don't watch anybody's movie or even serials on TV but Shivaji Ganesan's movies."

Girija has been an active member of Shivaji's fan club for about six years now. And unlike many others, she's been lucky enough to meet her dream idol a few times too. "Shivaji knew me as a fan of his, but he didn't know I'd a collection of his stuff," she says.

Some call it a crazy obsession, but as far as Girija is concerned, her only aim in life for the past 20 years has been to collect any information that's available on Shivaji Ganesan, be it in the form of posters, cutouts or CDs.

Though the actor died five years ago, Girija's love for him is still young and strong.

joe
14th February 2007, 11:21 AM
thinkfloyd,
Thanks for the post! :D

joe
14th February 2007, 05:36 PM
http://www.ibnlive.com/news/meet-a-diehard-sivaji-ganesan-fan/top/33518-8.html

Chennai: It's Valentine's Day and for 48-year-old Girija, it's time to celebrate her love for the late Tamil celluloid icon, Sivaji Ganesan.

As one steps into this die-hard Sivaji Ganesan fan's home in Chennai, one is bound to be bowled over by the huge collection of photographs, posters, articles, tapes, CDs or just about anything on the actor.

"I like his acting skills. Earlier, I used to cut out articles and photos from newspapers and magazines and send it to him," says S Girija, who confesses of being a fan for over 20 years now.

The lady reads like an encyclopedia on the legendary actor, ask her about his movies and pop comes the answer: "He's done 288 films in which he plays the hero and 17 others in cameo roles."

As if that was not enough, she's knows it all about Sivaji Ganesan's special characteristics, be it acting, his modulation, dialogue or dance.

And when it comes to loyalty, it's difficult to find a fan as faithful as Girija: "I don't watch anybody's movie or even serials on TV but Shivaji Ganesan's movies."

Girija has been an active member of Shivaji's fan club for about six years now. And unlike many others, she's been lucky enough to meet her dream idol a few times too. "Shivaji knew me as a fan of his, but he didn't know I'd a collection of his stuff," she says.

Some call it a crazy obsession, but as far as Girija is concerned, her only aim in life for the past 20 years has been to collect any information that's available on Shivaji Ganesan, be it in the form of posters, cutouts or CDs.

Though the actor died five years ago, Girija's love for him is still young and strong.

Here is the video

http://sinnakuddy1.blogspot.com/2007/02/blog-post_14.html

Don't miss it :D

joe
16th February 2007, 06:38 AM
What happened to all NT fans? :roll:

NOV
16th February 2007, 06:46 AM
What happened to all NT fans? :roll:Busy watching his movies I suppose. :D

I finished watching Uyarndha Manidhan yesterday. His body language in the movie is absolutely astounding.
The scene where Sowkar confronts him when caught lying is top class. :thumbsup:
MSV goes absolutely silent allowing NT to take full attention of the audience.

andha naal gnyaabagam nenjilE vandhadhE nanbanE nanbanE nanbanE

joe
16th February 2007, 06:51 AM
The scene where Sowkar confronts him when caught lying is top class. :thumbsup:


Pesura Pechula poi ,ezuthura kanakkula poi..poi..poi..poi

NOV
16th February 2007, 06:55 AM
:D
remember the part where he speaks entirely in English while gestulating? thats sivaji for you!

joe
16th February 2007, 06:59 AM
:D
remember the part where he speaks entirely in English while gestulating? thats sivaji for you!

owner of 15000 acers of fertile land ...(waving his hand)

Illaya NOV? :D What a style :thumbsup:

m_23_bayarea
16th February 2007, 07:10 AM
What abt the song VELLI KINNAM THAAN, THANGA KAIGALIL? :P :wink: :P

NOV
16th February 2007, 07:10 AM
monday and tuesday are holidays here (chinese new year) and I have a long list of movies to watch: baaga pirivinai, navarathri, parasakthi, ooty varai uravu, veerapaandiya kattabomman, thiruvarutselvar and karnan.

its gonna be a sivaji new year for me :D

NOV
16th February 2007, 07:12 AM
What abt the song VELLI KINNAM THAAN, THANGA KAIGALIL? :P :wink: :Psure sure alfie. :P
(in case ppl didnt know, Alfie here is a great fan of Vanisree. :P )

m_23_bayarea
16th February 2007, 07:12 AM
What abt the song VELLI KINNAM THAAN, THANGA KAIGALIL? :P :wink: :Psure sure alfie. :P
(in case ppl didnt know, Alfie here is a great fan of Vanisree. :P )

She's sooooo GORGEOUS! :wink:

groucho070
16th February 2007, 08:22 AM
What abt the song VELLI KINNAM THAAN, THANGA KAIGALIL? :P :wink: :Psure sure alfie. :P
(in case ppl didnt know, Alfie here is a great fan of Vanisree. :P )

She's sooooo GORGEOUS! :wink:

I'll repeat that for you: She's sooooooooo GORGEOUS.

That is one haunting song, I tell ya: Naalai Intha Veelai. Beautiful rendering by Susila (later it was memorable for wrong reason for her), and Vaneesree is...is....( :sigh2:

Of course, there was NT, brimming in his youthness, dashing, slim, and full of awe of the singing beauty.

joe
16th February 2007, 08:33 AM
இந்திய திரைப்பட வரலாற்றில் மிக அதிகமான புகழுரைகளையும், அதே அளவிற்கு கடுமையான விமர்சனங்களையும் எதிர் கொண்ட ஒரு நடிகர் உண்டென்றால் அது நமது செவாலியே சிவாஜி கணேசனாகத்தான் −ருக்கும். உலகமே வியந்து போற்றும் அந்த ஒப்பற்ற கலைஞனுக்கு, ஒரு முறை கூட தேசிய விருது அளிக்கப்பட்டதில்லை என்பதிலிருந்தே நமது தேர்வுக் குழுவினரின் அணுகுமுறை எத்தகையது என்பது விளங்கும்.

சிவாஜி −யல்பாக நடிக்காமல், அளவுக்கதிகமாக உணர்ச்சிகளைக் கொட்டுவதாக அவர் மீது குற்றம் சாட்டுபவர்கள், தொன்மையான தமிழ் மொழியின் செறிவு, −இலக்கணம், அதன் கவித்துவ அடிப்படை மற்றும் பிரத்தியேகமான உச்சரிப்புத் தேவை குறித்து அறியாதவர்கள் என்பதில் ஐயமில்லை.

பெரும்பான்மையினராக விளங்கும் வடக்கத்திய விமர்சகர்கள், மென்மையான உச்சரிப்பு மற்றும் 'கஜல்' பாணி பாடல்களுக்குப் பழக்கப்பட்டவர்கள் என்பதால், சிவாஜியின் சிம்மக் குரலை அவர்களால் செவிமடுக்க −யலவில்லை என்பதே நிஜம். அதற்காக நமது சிங்கம் கீச்...கீச் என்றா முனக முடியும்?

அவர் மட்டும் வேற்று மாநிலத்தில் பிறந்து வேற்று மொழியில் நடித்திருந்தால், −இந்தியத் திரையுலகின் ஈடு −இணையற்ற நடிகன் சிவாஜி கணேசன்தான் என்று ஒருமித்த குரலில் எல்லோரும் ஒப்புக் கொண்டிருப்பார்கள்.சிவாஜியின் துரதிர்ஷ்டம் அவர் ஒரு தமிழனாக, தமிழ் நடிகனாக, தமிழ்நாட்டில் 'நடிப்பைக்' கொட்ட வேண்டியிருந்தது.

கலைக்கு மொழியில்லை என்று வாய் கிழிய கத்துபவர்கள், சிவாஜியின் விஷயத்தில் செவிகளைப் பொத்திக் கொண்டிருந்திருக்கலாம்!.

நேரு ஒருமுறை எகிப்து நாட்டுக்குப் பயணம் மேற்கொண்டார். கெய்ரோ சர்வதேசத் திரைப்பட விழாவில் திரையிடப்பட்ட 'வீரபாண்டிய கட்டபொம்மன்' படத்தில் சிவாஜியின் நடிப்பைப் பார்த்து ரசித்துப் புல்லரித்துப் போயிருந்த எகிப்து அதிபர் நாஸர், சிவாஜி குறித்து அன்போடு விசாரித்திருக்கிறார். ஐயகோ... என்ன துரதிர்ஷ்டம், நேரு அவர்களுக்கு சிவாஜி என்றொரு −இந்திய நடிகன்! −இருப்பது குறித்துத் தெரிந்திருக்கவில்லை.

−இதற்குப் பிராயச்சித்தம் தேடுவது போல, எகிப்து அதிபரின் −இந்திய விஜயத்தின் போது அவரை வரவேற்று உபசரித்து உடன் தங்கியிருக்கும் கவுரவத்தை சிவாஜிக்கு அளித்தார் நேரு.

சிவாஜிக்காக வாதாடி அவரது நடிப்புத் திறமைக்கு −இனிதான் அங்கீகாரம் பெறவேண்டும் என்ற அவசியமில்லை. எனினும், தங்கள் திறமைகள் குறித்து பறைசாற்றிக் கொள்ள −இன்றைய கலைஞர்களுக்கு ஏராளமான ஊடகங்கள் மூலமாக வாய்ப்புள்ளதைப் போல், அக்காலத்தில் சிவாஜி போன்ற மகத்தான கலைஞர்களுக்கு −இருந்ததில்லை என்பதையும் நாம் கவனத்தில் கொள்ள வேண்டும்.

அதற்கெல்லாம் அவருக்கு ஏது நேரம்? விடிவதற்கு முன்பே ஒப்பனையை முடித்துக் கொண்டு, அரங்கத்தில் ஆஜராகி, பளீரிடும் விளக்கொளியில் நள்ளிரவு வரை நனைந்தபடி நடிப்பு வேள்வி நடத்தியவரல்லவா அவர்!

தனது −இயல்பான ஞானம், கற்பனை, படைப்பாற்றல் ஆகியவற்றின் உதவியோடு தான் ஏற்ற கதாபாத்திரங்களை நம் கண்களின் முன்பாக உயிர்ப்போடு உலவ விட்ட உன்னதக் கலைஞரல்லவா அவர்! கன்னத்துத் தசைகள் முதல் காது மடல் வரை ஆயிரம் கதை சொல்லும் வகையில் அசைக்கத் தெரிந்த அவர் முன் நிற்க யாரால் முடியும்?

விமர்சகர்கள் பலரும், சிவாஜியை 'ஸ்டைலான' நடிகனாக ஏற்றுக் கொண்டதேயில்லை. சிவாஜியும் என்றுமே இது குறித்தெல்லாம் அலட்டிக் கொண்டதேயில்லை. சிவாஜிக்கு அவரது வரம்பு நன்கு தெரியும். நடையில் மட்டுமே நூற்றுக்கும் மேற்பட்ட வகைகளைக் காட்டி ரசிகர்களை வசீகரித்த அவரது 'ஸ்டைல்' வேறு எந்த நடிகனுக்கும் கால்வராது! என்று அடித்துச் சொல்லலாம்.

'திருவிளையாடல்' - மிடுக்கான நடை, 'சரஸ்வதி சபதம்' - அதீத தன்னம்பிக்கை காட்டும் நடை, திருவருட்செல்வரின் பணிவான நடை, 'நவராத்திரி' கோடீஸ்வரரின் செருக்கான ஆணவ நடை , 'தங்கப்பதக்கத்தின்' தனி நடை! என்று சொல்லிக் கொண்டே போகலாம். பாலும் பழமும் படத்தில் 'போனால் போகட்டும் போடா...', உயர்ந்த மனிதனில் ' அந்த நாள் ஞாபகம்...' பாடல் காட்சிகளில் அவர் 'வாக்கிங் ஸ்டிக்கை' பிரயோகித்த லாவகம் வார்த்தைகளால் வர்ணிக்க −யலாதது.

புகைப்பதில் கூட அவர் தனது தனித்தன்மையை நிரூபித்த படங்கள் ஏராளம். 'சாந்தி' திரைப்படத்தில் 'யார் அந்த நிலவு...' பாடலின் ஆக்கத்தின் போது −சையமைப்பாளர்கள் விஸ்வநாதன் - ராமமூர்த்தி, கவிஞர் கண்ணதாசன், பாடகர் டி.எம்.சவுந்தரராஜன் எல்லோரும் போட்டி போட்டுக் கொண்டு கலக்கியிருந்தார்கள். பாடல் ஒலிப்பதிவின் போது எப்போதும் உடனிருக்கும் சிவாஜி, இந்த குறிப்பிட்ட பாடல் பதிவின் போது கலந்து கொள்ளவில்லை. பாடல் மிகச் சிறப்பாக வந்திருப்பதாகக் கேள்விப்பட்ட சிவாஜி, படமாக்கத்தின் போது மிகுந்த கவனம் எடுத்துக் கொள்ளும்படி இயக்குனர் கே.சங்கரை கேட்டுக் கொண்டார். சிவாஜி எப்படி அந்த பாடல்காட்சியில் நடிக்கப் போகிறார் என்று இசைக் கூட்டணி ஆவலோடு காத்திருந்தது.

படம் வெளியாகி, அந்தப் பாடல் காட்சியைப் பார்த்த மூவரணி மூர்ச்சித்தது என்றால் அது மிகையல்ல. பாடல் முழுவதும் ஒரு சிகரெட்டைப் புகைத்தபடி வெகு அலட்சியமாக நடித்து ரசிக இதயங்களைக் கொள்ளை கொண்டார் சிவாஜி. மூவரணியும் தங்கள் தோல்வியை சந்தோஷமாக ஒப்புக் கொண்டது.

புதியபறவை ('பார்த்த ஞாபகம் இல்லையோ...'), பார் மகளே பார், ஞான ஒளி, கவுரவம், பலே பாண்டியா திரைப்படங்களிலும் புகைக்கும் காட்சிகளை சிவாஜி வெகு மிடுக்காகக் கையாண்டதை எப்படி மறக்க முடியும்? 'ஆண்டவன் கட்டளை'யில் பட்டாணி சாப்பிடும் காட்சி, 'அந்த நாள்' திரைப்படத்தின் விதம் விதமான சிரிப்புகள்! என்று சொல்லிக் கொண்டே போகலாம். தாம் கண்ட காட்சிகளை மனதில் பதிய வைத்து, தனது கற்பனை வளத்தால் அவற்றை மெருகேற்றி, தான் ஏற்ற கதாபாத்திரங்களில் அவற்றை வெகு சிறப்பாக வெளிப்படுத்தும் சிவாஜியின் மேதமை ஈடு இணையற்றது.

ஆலயமணி, பார்த்தால் பசி தீரும், பாகப்பிரிவினை படங்களில் உடல் ஊனமுற்றவராக சிவாஜி வெளிப்படுத்திய நடிப்புத் திறம் நம்ப முடியாதது. பாகப்பிரிவினை படப்பிடிப்பு முடிந்த பிறகும் கூட சிறிது நாட்களுக்கு சிவாஜியால் தனது இடது கையை கீழே இறக்க முடியவில்லை என்று பிரமிப்போடு பேசிக் கொள்வார்கள். சிவாஜியின் ஈடுபாடு அத்தகையதாக இருந்தது.

இசைக் கருவிகளை மீட்டியபடி நடிப்பதில் சிவாஜியை வெல்ல யாரால் இயலும்? −தற்கெல்லாம் உதாரணங்கள் சொல்ல ஆரம்பித்தால் பக்கங்கள் போதாது! எம்.ஜி.ஆர் அளவுக்கு தொழில்நுட்ப ஞானம் சிவாஜியிடம் இல்லை என்பார்கள். ஆனால், தனது அனுபவத்தில் அவற்றையும் ஒரு கை பார்த்தவர்தான் சிவாஜி.

நீ...ளமான வசனங்களை ஒரு முறை பார்த்துவிட்டு, காட்சிப்பதிவின் போது அப்படியே மடை திறந்த வெள்ளமென அவர் பேசுவதை 'வாய்பிளந்து' வியப்பார்களாம் சக கலைஞர்கள். இன்றைய டப்பிங் யுகத்தில், பல மாதங்களுக்கு முன்பாக தான் பேசிய வசனத்தை வரி பிசகாமல் அதே ஏற்ற இறக்கங்களோடு சிவாஜியால் திரும்பவும் பேச முடியும் என்பது ஓர் அதிசயமாகத்தான் தோன்றுகிறது. அவரோடு பணி புரிவதென்பதே சக கலைஞர்களுக்கு, குறிப்பாக இயக்குனர்கள், ஒளிப்பதிவாளர்கள், படத்தொகுப்பாளர்கள் போன்றவர்களுக்கு ஒரு பாக்கியமாகவும் சுகானுபவமாகவும் இருந்தது.

புராண, இதிகாச, வரலாற்றுக் கதாபாத்திரங்களுக்கு சிவாஜியின் நடிப்பு உயிரூட்டியது. கட்டபொம்மன், வ.உ.சிதம்பரம், சுப்பிரமணிய பாரதி போன்றவர்களையெல்லாம் நமது கண் முன் உலவவிட்ட சிவாஜியை எப்படி மறக்க முடியும். வேறெந்த நடிகராலும் நினைத்துக் கூடப் பார்க்க முடியாத ஒப்பற்ற சாதனைச் சரித்திரங்கள் அல்லவா அவை?

அவரது திரையுலக வரலாற்றில் பைலட் பிரேம்நாத், ஹிட்லர் உமாநாத், மிருதங்க சக்ரவர்த்தி, லாரி டிரைவர் ராஜாக்கண்ணு போன்ற திருஷ்டிப் பொட்டுகளும் உண்டு. அரசியல் சாக்கடையில் குதிக்காமல், நடிப்பில் மட்டும் கவனம் செலுத்தியிருந்தால் சிவாஜி இன்னும் ஏராளமாய் சாதித்திருக்க முடியும். அரசியல் அவரை ஏமாற்றினாலும், மக்களின் இதய சிம்மாசனத்தில் அவருக்கு என்றுமே முதல்மரியாதைதான்.

ஆயிரம் நடிகர்கள் வரலாம்...மறையலாம்; ஆனால், சிம்மக் குரலோன் அவன் ஒருவன்தான். உலகம் உள்ள வரை, உலகத் தமிழர்களின் உள்ளங்களில் சிவாஜியின் நினைவிருக்கும்.

ராம்.என்.ராமகிருஷ்ணன்

http://thendral.chennaionline.com/thendral/sivaji.asp[tscii:771f420db7][/tscii:771f420db7]

sankara1970
18th February 2007, 11:35 AM
On Shivrathri day, in Jaya TV, they showed Thiruvilayadal.

What a versatile acting!

Paatum Nane Bavamum Nane-Wow-Can any other actor imagine such a performance?
Paarthal Pasu Maram-dancing to the tune

Where is Shiva, a wood cutter, a singer-

All in One-What a talent?

saradhaa_sn
18th February 2007, 02:50 PM
புகைப்பதில் கூட அவர் தனது தனித்தன்மையை நிரூபித்த படங்கள் ஏராளம். 'சாந்தி' திரைப்படத்தில் 'யார் அந்த நிலவு...' பாடலின் ஆக்கத்தின் போது −சையமைப்பாளர்கள் விஸ்வநாதன் - ராமமூர்த்தி, கவிஞர் கண்ணதாசன், பாடகர் டி.எம்.சவுந்தரராஜன் எல்லோரும் போட்டி போட்டுக் கொண்டு கலக்கியிருந்தார்கள். பாடல் ஒலிப்பதிவின் போது எப்போதும் உடனிருக்கும் சிவாஜி, இந்த குறிப்பிட்ட பாடல் பதிவின் போது கலந்து கொள்ளவில்லை. பாடல் மிகச் சிறப்பாக வந்திருப்பதாகக் கேள்விப்பட்ட சிவாஜி, படமாக்கத்தின் போது மிகுந்த கவனம் எடுத்துக் கொள்ளும்படி இயக்குனர் கே.சங்கரை கேட்டுக் கொண்டார்.

Director for 'Shanti' is : A.BEEMSINGH.



அவரது திரையுலக வரலாற்றில் பைலட் பிரேம்நாத், ஹிட்லர் உமாநாத், மிருதங்க சக்ரவர்த்தி, லாரி டிரைவர் ராஜாக்கண்ணு போன்ற திருஷ்டிப் பொட்டுகளும் உண்டு.
'PILOT PREMNATH' is a good movie.

Instead of that you can add 'Dharmaraja'

thimuru
21st February 2007, 06:02 PM
whats shivajis reaction for receiving national award for devar mahan?

joe
21st February 2007, 06:13 PM
whats shivajis reaction for receiving national award for devar mahan?

Nothing excited .He just said " En puLLa (kamal) nadikka sonnan .Naan nadikallinna antha padame edukka mattennu sonnan.avanukaga nadichen "

thimuru
21st February 2007, 06:22 PM
who received the award

joe
21st February 2007, 06:24 PM
who received the award

Not sure who ? But sure NT didn't receive it.

groucho070
22nd February 2007, 12:29 PM
whats shivajis reaction for receiving national award for devar mahan?

Nothing excited .He just said " En puLLa (kamal) nadikka sonnan .Naan nadikallinna antha padame edukka mattennu sonnan.avanukaga nadichen "

Very touching. It took Kamal to get the National Award people's attention after being so ignorant of NT's performance for decades. Sheesh!

thimuru
22nd February 2007, 03:36 PM
whats shivajis reaction for receiving national award for devar mahan?

Nothing excited .He just said " En puLLa (kamal) nadikka sonnan .Naan nadikallinna antha padame edukka mattennu sonnan.avanukaga nadichen "

Very touching. It took Kamal to get the National Award people's attention after being so ignorant of NT's performance for decades. Sheesh!

shivaji must have been given best actor for that year if at all given!
anthony hopkins in "the silence of the lambs"
marlon brando in godfather came for only considerable part

they are given oscar for best actor

groucho070
22nd February 2007, 03:43 PM
Give 'em a break, Thimiru. They don't even recognise comedic performance. They gave Kamal best actor for Indian, where his face was completely covered in bad cake of makeup where only his eyes and mouth moved. Where were they when Kamal did Guna or Mahanadhi, or MMKR where he worked his behind off?

I don't have respect for them. If they never gave one to NT, they don't deserve to be recognised.

karthik_sa2
23rd February 2007, 04:25 PM
its been a long while since i came to this thread.hope joe remembers me?? :!:

BTW i didn vote for any movies infact couldnt.in all the movies he has shown great versatality and i cant single out any

BTW one of my best characvters of sivaji was in the movie "bale pandiya"wher he plays a scientsit.not many people would know this i believe.i know everybody appreciates veerapandiya..,gowravam..etc where he speaks long dialoques like a lion but this scientist chrartcer is an extremely soft rather gentle one.amazing voice modulation

karthik_sa2
23rd February 2007, 04:33 PM
Nothing excited .He just said " En puLLa (kamal) nadikka sonnan .Naan nadikallinna antha padame edukka mattennu sonnan.avanukaga nadichen "


later stages'la avar act panna best film idhaan .good thing he accepted .but he should have stopped there

saradhaa_sn
24th February 2007, 11:57 AM
one of my best characvters of sivaji was in the movie "bale pandiya"wher he plays a scientsit.not many people would know this i believe.i know everybody appreciates veerapandiya..,gowravam..etc where he speaks long dialoques like a lion but this scientist chrartcer is an extremely soft rather gentle one.amazing voice modulation

Yes, I accept you.

You have different thinking like the mass, who select just ten movies and appreciating them always. There are somany minute performances by him even in ordinery movies, like in 'Manitharil Manickam' an absent minded doctor charector.

saradhaa_sn
24th February 2007, 11:58 AM
one of my best characvters of sivaji was in the movie "bale pandiya"wher he plays a scientsit.not many people would know this i believe.i know everybody appreciates veerapandiya..,gowravam..etc where he speaks long dialoques like a lion but this scientist chrartcer is an extremely soft rather gentle one.amazing voice modulation

Yes, I accept you.

You have different thinking not like the mass, who select just ten movies and appreciating them always. There are somany minute performances by him even in ordinery movies, like in 'Manitharil Manickam' an absent minded doctor charector.

mr_karthik
26th February 2007, 07:33 PM
one of my best characvters of sivaji was in the movie "bale pandiya"wher he plays a scientsit.not many people would know this i believe.i know everybody appreciates veerapandiya..,gowravam..etc where he speaks long dialoques like a lion but this scientist chrartcer is an extremely soft rather gentle one.amazing voice modulation

Yes, I accept you.

You have different thinking like the mass, who select just ten movies and appreciating them always. There are somany minute performances by him even in ordinery movies, like in 'Manitharil Manickam' an absent minded doctor charector.

Both of you correct...

There are more such rolls which were under-rated by fans, by just always talking about Veerapandiay... , Dheivamagan, Sikkalaar.. etc.

avar nadiththa endha rolum sodai ponathillai.

ellaame vairangal enbathil aiyamillai.

Murali Srinivas
26th February 2007, 08:21 PM
Today a Happy function took place in NT's family, probably the first occasion after 2001 July.

NT's grandson and Ilaya Thilagam Prabhu's son Vikram got married to Ujjaini Lakshmi, a girl belonging to a family closely associated with NT's family.

Let us wish the couple a Happy and Prosperous married Life.


Regards

joe
26th February 2007, 08:23 PM
சிவாஜி பேரன் திருமணம் : கருணாநிதி, ரஜினி, கமல் ஆசி

நடிகர் திலகம் சிவாஜி கணேசனின் பேரனும், நடிகர் பிரபுவின் மூத்த மகனுமான விக்ரமுக்கும், லட்சுமி உஜ்ஜைனிக்கும் சென்னையில் இன்று வெகு விமரிசையாக திருமணம் நடந்தது.

மணமகள் லட்சுமி உஜ்ஜைனி குமாரபாளையம் தொழில் அதிபர் எஸ்.எஸ்.எம்.சுப்பிரமணியத்தின் பேத்தி. எம்.எஸ்.மதிவாணன், விஜயலட்சுமி தம்பதிகளின் மகள்.

எழும்பூர் ராணி மெய்யம்மை ஹாலில் நடந்த திருமணத்தில் முதல்வர் கருணாநிதி கலந்து கொண்டார். அவரை பிரபு, ராம்குமார் வரவேற்று அழைத்துச் சென்றனர். கருணாநிதி தாலியை எடுத்து விக்ரம் கையில் கொடுத்து அவரை ஆசிர்வதித்தார். 6.40 மணிக்கு மணமகள் கழுத்தில் விக்ரம் தாலி கட்டினார்.

திருமணத்தின்போது சிவாஜியின் மனைவி கமலா அம்மாள், மகள் சாந்தி, பிரபு, அவரது மனைவி புனிதவதி, ராம்குமார், அவருடைய மனைவி பேபி உள்ளிட்டோர், இரு தரப்பு குடும்பத்தினர் இருந்தனர்.

திருமணத்திற்குப் பின் விக்ரமும், லட்சுமியும் முதல்வர் காலில் விழுந்து ஆசி பெற்றனர்.

அதிமுக பொதுச் செயலாளர் ஜெயலலிதா திருமணத்திற்கு வரவில்லை. தனது உதவியாளர் மூலம் வாழ்த்துச் செய்தி கொடுத்து அனுப்பியிருந்தார்.

நடிகர்கள் ரஜினிகாந்த், கமல்ஹாசன், சூர்யா, அவரது மனைவி ஜோதிகா, சிவக்குமார், சூர்யாவின் தம்பியான பருத்தி வீரன் நாயகன் கார்த்தி உள்ளிட்ட திரையுலகினரும் பெருவாரியாக வந்திருந்தனர்.

முதல்வருடன் அவரது மனைவி தயாளு அம்மாள், அமைச்சர்கள் ஆற்காடு வீராசாமி, பொன்முடி உள்ளிட்டோரும் வந்திருந்தனர்.

நேற்று மாலை நடந்த மாப்பிள்ளை அழைப்பு நிகழ்ச்சியில் மத்திய அமைச்சர்கள் ஈ.வி.கே.எஸ். இளங்கோவன், பழனிமாணிக்கம், ராஜா, ஜி.கே.வாசன், அமைச்சர் ஸ்டாலின், உச்சநீதிமன்ற முன்னாள் நீதிபதி மோகன், நீதிபதி சதாசிவம்,

முன்னாள் அமைச்சர் திருநாவுக்கரசர், தி.க தலைவர் வீரமணி, விடுதலைச் சிறுத்தைகள் பொதுச் செயலாளர் திருமாவளவன், நடிகர் விஜயகாந்த் உள்ளிட்டோர் கலந்து கொண்டனர்.

joe
26th February 2007, 08:48 PM
NT's Grandson Wedding /Reception Album

Reception

http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/gallery/Events/11679.html

Wedding
http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/gallery/Events/11677.html

NOV
27th February 2007, 05:58 AM
The happy couple:

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Nakeeran
28th February 2007, 02:43 PM
Nadigar Thilagam rasiga perumakkaa

Given below is the link for Thillana Mohanambal, the classic movie :

http://techsatish-techsatish.blogspot.com/2007/02/thillana-mohanambal-tamil-movie.html

Watch it yourself and enjoy it yourself.

Vataaa

joe
28th February 2007, 03:01 PM
Nanri Nakkeerare! :D

Selvan
2nd March 2007, 07:58 AM
The hightlight of Veera paandiya katta pomman.

http://one.revver.com/watch/169981

joe
2nd March 2007, 12:14 PM
The hightlight of Veera paandiya katta pomman.

http://one.revver.com/watch/169981

Nanri! :D

karthik_sa2
2nd March 2007, 10:56 PM
joe
am watchin navaraathiri.thanx to u

joe
2nd March 2007, 11:09 PM
joe
am watchin navaraathiri.thanx to u

:D

joe
3rd March 2007, 10:24 PM
வீரபாண்டிய கட்டபொம்மனை அவனது அவையில் வந்து மாறு வேடத்தில் எட்டப்பன் சந்திக்கின்ற காட்சி

வந்தவன்: பிரபு ஆங்கிலேயத் துரையிடம் இருந்த அதிகாரி ஒருவர் வந்திருக்கிறார்.

கட்டபொம்மன்: வரச்சொல் (எட்டப்பன் மாறுவேடத்தில் வருதல்)

கட்டபொம்மன்: வாருங்கள், உட்காருங்கள். வந்த நோக்கம்?

எட்டப்பன்: வரி வசூலுக்காக உங்கள் பாளையத்து நிலங்களை பிரிவினை செய்யப்போகிறொம்.

கட்டபொம்மன்: அதாவது....

எட்டப்பன்: அதாவது கம்பெனியார் தங்கள் அருங்குளம், சுப்பலாபுரம் இரண்டு ஊர்களையும் சர்வே செய்து அவை எட்டயபுரத்து அரசர் எட்டப்பருக்குத்தான் சேரவேண்டும் என்று இந்த எழுத்துப் பத்திரம் மூலமாக சாசனம் செய்திருக்கிறார்கள்.

கட்டபொம்மன்: அதாவது...

எட்டப்பன்: அவருடைய பாட்டன் காலத்துச் சொத்தாம் அது...

கட்டபொம்மன்: அதற்கு அந்த பாட்டனே வந்தாலும் நடக்காது என்கிறபோது வெள்ளையக்காரப் பேரனுக்கு ஏன் இந்த வீண் வேலை?

எட்டப்பன்: அரசே! ஆத்திரப்பட்டு பயனில்லை. அவர்களிடம் பயங்கர பீரங்கிகள் இருப்பதை நானே நேரில் பார்த்தேன்.

கட்டபொம்மன்: அவைகளையெல்லாம் எடுத்துச் சொல்லத்தானே நீர் இங்கு வந்தீர்.

எட்டப்பன்: ஆமாம். அதோடு நம்மை அடக்கியாளும் அருகதையும் அவர்களுக்குத்தான் இருக்கிறது.

கட்டபொம்மன்: என்ன சொன்னீர் அடக்கியாளும் அருகதை? எட்டப்பா! (எட்டப்பன் திடுக்கிடுதல்) உன்னுடைய வேஷம் வெளியாகிவிட்டது என்று கலங்குகிறாயா?

வெள்ளைத் தேவன்: எட்டப்பர் சூழ்ச்சிக்கு இரையாகிவிட்டார். சொல்லுங்கள் அரசே சூறையாடி வருகிறேன். எட்டப்பரால் நாட்டின் வரலாற்றிலேயே கறைபடிந்து விடும்.

ஊமைத்துரை: காசாசை காட்டியிருக்கிறான் வெள்ளையன். எட்டப்பரும் அடிமையாகிவிட்டார்.

கட்டபொம்மன்: எட்டப்பா என்னுடைய அனுமதி இல்லாமல் ஒரு ஈ, எறும்பு கூட கட்டபொம்மனின் எல்லைக்குள் நுழைய முடியாது. ஆறாயிரம் மைல்களுக்கு அப்பால் இருந்து வந்த வெள்ளைக்கார கொக்குகள் பேசிய பேச்சிலே உன் அறிவை அவர்களிடம் பறிகொடுத்துவிட்டாயா? வெற்றி முரசு கொட்டிய வேற்றரசர் எல்லாம் தென்திசையை திரும்பிப் பார்க்கமுடியாதபோது ஏதோ புயலிலே சிக்கி கரையோரம் ஒதுங்கிய வெள்ளை கொக்குகளால் என்ன செய்துவிட முடியும். அவர்களிடம் பீரங்கிகள் இருக்கிறதாம் பீரங்கி.... ஓ.... பீரங்கி....

எட்டப்பன்: நாடு பிடிக்க தலைமைப்பட்டுவிட்டான் சீமைத்துரை! உங்களுடைய வாளும், வேலும் அவர்களது துப்பாக்கி முன்னால் தூள்தூளாகிவிடும்.

கட்டபொம்மன்: எட்டப்பா! தூதனாக வந்ததால் என் வாளுக்கு வேலையில்லாமல் போய்விட்டது. வந்த வேளை நல்லவேளை என எண்ணி சொல்லாமல் போய்விடு! போகுமுன் ஒன்று கேள்! இது உன் தாய்த் திருநாடு. இங்கே புகழோடு இருக்க நல்ல எண்ணத்தை நாடு! இனியும் என் கண் முன்னால் நில்லாதே ஓடு! (எட்டப்பன் வெளியேறுதல்)

இவ்விதம் அந்தக் காட்சியில் நயமான வசனங்களை சக்தி கிருஷ்ணசாமி தந்திருந்தார்.

வீரபாண்டிய கட்டபொம்மன் ராமனாதபுரத்தில் ராமலிங்க விலாஸ் மாளிகையில் ஜாக்சன் துரையை சந்திக்கிற காட்சி

ஜாக்சன்: நீர்தான் வீரபாண்டிய கட்டபொம்மன் என்பவரோ?

கட்டபொம்மன்: (நாற்காலியை இழுத்துப்போட்டு உட்கார்ந்து கொண்டு) நீர்தான் ஜாக்சன் துரை என்பவரோ?

ஜாக்சன்: ஏது வெகுதூரம் வந்துவிட்டீர்?

கட்டபொம்மன்: நட்பு விரும்பி அழைத்ததாக அறிந்தேன். அதையே நானும் விரும்பி வந்தேன்.

ஜாக்சன்: நட்பு வேண்டும். அதற்கேற்ப நடத்தையில்லை உன்னிடம்!

கட்டபொம்மன்: கற்றுக்கொடுப்பது தமிழினம்! நீர் கற்றுக்கொடுக்க முயற்சிப்பது அறிவீனம்!

ஜாக்சன்: இறுமாப்பு அடங்கவில்லை.

கட்டபொம்மன்:அது என் உடன்பிறந்தது. ஒழியாது!

ஜாக்சன்: உன் மீது குற்றம் சுமத்துகிறேன்.

கட்டபொம்மன்: என்னவென்று?

ஜாக்சன்: எடுத்துரைத்தால் கணக்கில் அடங்காது.

கட்டபொம்மன்: எண்ணிக்கை தெரியாத குற்றம் போலும்.

ஜாக்சன்: எனக்கா எண்ணிக்கை தெரியாது! அகம்பாவம் பிடித்தவனே. சொல்கிறேன் கேள். உன் நிலத்தில் விளையும் விளைச்சலுக்கு கிஸ்தி கொடுக்கவில்லை. எங்கள் பேரரசுக்கு கீழரசாக திரைப்பணம் செலுத்தவில்லை. வெகுகாலமாக வரிப்பணம் வந்துசேரவில்லை. இந்த பாக்கிக்கெல்லாம் வட்டியும் கட்டவில்லை.

கட்டபொம்மன்: கிஸ்தி, திரை, வட்டி, வேடிக்கை! வானம் பொழிகிறது, பூமி விளைகிறது! உனக்கேன் கொடுப்பது கிஸ்தி! எங்களோடு வயலுக்கு வந்தாயா? ஏற்றம் இறைத்தாயா? நீர் பாய்ச்சி நெடுவயல் நிறையக் கண்டாயா? நாற்று நட்டாயா? களை பறித்தாயா? கழினிவாழ் உழவருக்கு கஞ்சி கலயம் சுமந்தாயா? அங்கு கொஞ்சி விளையாடும் எம்குலப் பெண்களுக்கு மஞ்சள் அரைத்துப் பணிபுரிந்தாயா? அல்லது மாமனா? மச்சானா? மானங்கெட்டவனே! எதற்கு கேட்கிறாய் வரி, யாரை கேட்கிறாய் திரை? போரடித்து நெற்குவிக்கும் வேழை நாட்டு உழவர் கூட்டம் உன் பரங்கியர்கள் உடல்களையும் போரடித்து தலைகளை நெற்கதிர்களாய் குவித்துவிடும் ஜாக்கிரதை!

ஜாக்சன்: உன்னை கையோடு அழைத்துவர அதிகார முத்திரையுடன் ஆள் அனுப்பினேன்.

கட்டபொம்மன்: நீ அனுப்பிய ஆள் பெரிய புத்திசாலி! இந்த மாதிரி நோக்கத்தோடு அந்தப் பக்கம் எவனும் தலைகாட்டுவதில்லை. ஆனால் எனக்கு கடிதம் மூலம் அழைத்துவர எழுதியதாக கூற இதுவரை யாருக்கும் துணிவு பிறந்ததில்லை! கடிதம் எழுதியதாக கூறிய உன்னை இனியும் விட்டுவைப்பதாக உத்தேசம் இல்லை! துடிக்கிறது மீசை! அதை அடக்கு அடக்கு என நட்பு நாடி அழைத்த முறை தடுக்கிறது!

ஜாக்சன்: என்ன மீசையை முறுக்குகிறாயா? அது ஆபத்துக்கு அறிகுறி... உன்னை சிறைப்பிடிக்க உத்தரவிடுகிறேன்.

கட்டபொம்மன்: மானம் மடிந்துவிடவில்லையடா மறத் தமிழனுக்கு! மடியிலே கை வைத்த உன் பரங்கித் தலை மண்ணிலே உருளட்டும்.
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joe
4th March 2007, 02:16 PM
In recent NT's grandson wedding ,All the superstars Kamal,Rajini,Mamooty,Sirangeevi attanded as if their family function .Hindi super star made a surprise visit .when Prabhu thanked him ,he told "It is my duty and it is my respect for great great sivaji sir" :clap:

groucho070
5th March 2007, 10:13 AM
If I am not mistaken, this must be biggest Star turnout for a non-official/cinema function. All for NT. This is one way of giving tribute to NT. Vikram ought to be lucky to be born to that great man's family. Congratulation to him; and Prabhu.

Also, this is a sign of good relationship Prabhu has with the others. He has honoured his dad's name well.

Well, Joe, I'd like to thank you again for that session we had. Great discussion on NT, Periyar and Kamarajar. You have wealth of information that is so apt for this forum.

joe
5th March 2007, 10:15 AM
Well, Joe, I'd like to thank you again for that session we had. Great discussion on NT, Periyar and Kamarajar. You have wealth of information that is so apt for this forum.

Thanks to you too .It was wonderful session .Hope to have more like that to share more :D

joe
5th March 2007, 10:37 PM
Nadigar Thilagam fanslam engappa ponanga :oops:

groucho070
6th March 2007, 09:38 AM
Nadigar Thilagam fanslam engappa ponanga :oops:

haha. Joe, naangga eggeyum pogala. Inggeethaan irukkoom. Just to rev things up, here's my thought for NT for the day.

If NT is remembered mostly for his performance in pathos scenes, I get excited when he is really angry. I mean, when the man really look p**ed that he burns up the scene.

Consider the scenes in VPK; or, of course, Gauvaram. Or when confronting cultural issues in, say, Pattikatta Pattanama or Savale Samali. His eyes burn, his fangs comes out blaring and most importantly, his voice roars.

I sometimes wonder what the co-stars would feel when confronting him on screen. Especially the ladies. Pity JJ, she went face to face twice (PP and SS) with NT. Must have been pretty traumatic for her.

The only one actor who came close to expressing fury that well is Rajini. But that is only up to Annamalai, after which he got tame.

Of course, NT being NT, his furies differ from film to film.

When he is possesed over the Meena doll (Alayamani); there is almost psychotic anger. Especially when he had to be wheelchaired. This is a man who is physically challenged and being human being, he has desires, he loves and unfortunately is very possessive. The scariest part of the movie is when he details his flashback on the doll and his friend Babu when they were kids. Anger, hurt, disappointment and his own helplessness over his character comes out, flashing on and off and terrifies us viewer. Anger is used here to show the inner turmoil.

And then, there is anger that stemmed from normal human character weaknesses, namely ego, selfishness and arrogance. NT's anger in Gouvaram, of instance, is not justified from an average person's point of view. But there he was, he was who he was. Like Pandaribhai's character says, he can't be bent at 50. And his explosions come from being challenged. His integrity, his talent, his marvelous skills as an advocate were put to test - whether or not who he is representing is really a criminal or not.

Opposite to this is the anger expressed VPK, where he stands on moral issue. Defending his country, his culture, his people and the tradition of Tamilians. This is a form of anger that gives the people hope and ultimately killed him (as did in Gauvaram). If I were the white guy and had to confront VPK, I'd be packing out immediately.

Then, we have the anger of a tormented guilty man. I'd like to point out the second half of Ethiroli, where NT has to confront his blackmailer, Major. Watch how he controls himself each time Major appears. Given opportunity you would have seen another VPK there, but it's dangerous, too dangerous. A righteous lawyer whose dignity at stake, NT's fury explodes in a contained way. Here is where he puts his restrained style in best use. It's anger, not towards the blackmailer, but towards his own self, his vulnerability at the moment when he commited his crime. It's a fiery reaction to his regret.

As you can see, just anger alone varies in NT's performance. I could go on and on, but I need to re-watch many other films. Let's see what our fellow NT fans has to say about this.

joe
6th March 2007, 09:42 AM
Groucho,
Wonderful post :clap:

Murali Srinivas
6th March 2007, 08:40 PM
Dear Groucho,

A thought provoking post from you as usual. As you said, many scenes from many films could be quoted. Right now my time is at a premium. One or rwo things that immediately come to mind is Puthiya Paravai, where the very sight of MRR makes NT angry.

This will get reflected in different forms. He thinks nothing of the crime he had commited because he feels that was an accident. His desire of starting a fresh leash of Life with SD gets struck because of MRR & SJ. If you remember in one particular scene, he would take MRR by his hand to the vault, open it and ask MRR to take all the money that he wants so that he could lead his life peacefully. When MRR puts up a calm face and replies in the negative, his fury simply bursts out. A wonderful exhitbition of feelings, you will feel sorry for him and his state of life.

Even in a film like Tirisoolam( I know many would immediately jump on me) the father character when tortured by Nambiar and co for the necklace would burst out in the scenes leading to climax which was one of the few scenes in that film which had NT stamp on it.

Joe, it is just lack of time that is stopping me from more posts. Your avatar is so charming.

Joe/Groucho, what is "the session on NT" yaar? was it outside this forum?

Regards

groucho070
7th March 2007, 08:51 AM
Well sar, I met Joe in Singapore and we had good conversation revolving around NT, Periyar and Kamarajar. The latter two was my insistance. Both presented views, expressed dismay over the constant criticism on 'overacting', and basically talked our head off on what is the actual power of NT both in and out of cinema.

I don't have Puthiya Paravai. But I remember that scene. I am surprised that you did not discuss the anger in your favourite movie - Deiva Magan.

Yes, I am talking about the scarred son. This man carries grudge and anger all his life. Not only that he has to live with that ugly scar, but later he finds out that he got dumped (supposed to be killed).

If you look at him (and what a contrast with the other NT, handsome, clean and perpetual smile on the face) you will see that his face seemed to be carved with permanent rage. Of course, the make up helped, but couple that with his body language (more bull-like) and the mix of scowl and frustration, you have a man condemned for life. You know that he is not going to live long. Come on, that anger and stress would have killed him, if not for the bullet.

Speaking of body language, remember when the father approaches Major to kill the baby. The way he stamps his feet and points his finger. If I was Major I'd have buried the child by now. Don't play the fool with this angry man.

So, there we have it. NT's anger on screen has many forms, dimensions and motivations. You can write a few chapters on this alone.

groucho070
7th March 2007, 08:53 AM
To add to my Singapore trip. We also discussed stuff that was 'forbidden' to be discussed in Hub. Hehe.

sivank
7th March 2007, 06:32 PM
Hi All,

I am new to this forum. I have been reading this forum for a while
and i have huge respect for people like Saradha Madam, Mr. Murali
Sriinivas and Mr.Balaji.

Rgds
Sivan

Aandavan
7th March 2007, 07:56 PM
Mr. sivan u have nothing to say abt nadigar thilagam ? :sad:

sivank
7th March 2007, 08:33 PM
[tscii:162e9f49f8]Hi Aandavan,

I have a lot of things to say about NT. But
in this fantastic group I am way too small to
say something. It is like standing near the
Ocean and enjoying it.
To introduce myself I´m Sivan living in Germany
for the past 20 years. I have been a NT fan
since my childhood. I have seen my portions of
NT´s films and when I see with which accuracy
Saradha Madam and Murali Sir and others
present the films by NT I am really dumbfounded. I will enjoy this group and bring
my two pennies if it is necessary. BTW Joe Sir
your Avatar is it from Vanangamudi or Saarangathara.[/tscii:162e9f49f8]

joe
7th March 2007, 08:56 PM
Sivank,
Vaanga ! Vanthu NT fans joythi-la aikkiyamayidunga :D

My avatar ,I think it is from Saarangathara,not sure though :cry:

Murali Srinivas
7th March 2007, 09:05 PM
Dear Sivank,

A hearty welcome to you. I am happy that more and more NT fans are coming up and sharing their views here. Someone from Germany, would be most welcome.

Groucho,

I did not mention DM because if you see my post, I had mentioned that my time is at a premium and so nowadays what I do is, at the end of the day, I log in, go thro' NT Forum and log out. But yesterday, after reading your post, I could not resist the temptation and started typing. Even in PP and Tirisoolam, I had mentioned only one scene each, whereas you had talked about the character in whole in a particular film. As you rightly said, DM itself would take chapters. If I start writing on DM, my "bias" towards DM would again come out. ( Another coincidence is yesterday after along time, I checked up the polls and found DM has got one more vote.I was wondering who else had joined me.)

Great that you and Joe had met and had a heartful discussion (I almost guessed it). With no forum "rules" and without "moral policing", you must have had a ball. Enjoy.

Regards

Aandavan
7th March 2007, 09:20 PM
[tscii:c58c8d7d54]Hi Aandavan,

I have a lot of things to say about NT. But
in this fantastic group I am way too small to
say something. It is like standing near the
Ocean and enjoying it.
To introduce myself I´m Sivan living in Germany
for the past 20 years. I have been a NT fan
since my childhood. I have seen my portions of
NT´s films and when I see with which accuracy
Saradha Madam and Murali Sir and others
present the films by NT I am really dumbfounded. I will enjoy this group and bring
my two pennies if it is necessary. BTW Joe Sir
your Avatar is it from Vanangamudi or Saarangathara.[/tscii:c58c8d7d54] great to have u here sivan.. our hub is a vast ocean of people and varied interests. please visit other threads also..

groucho070
8th March 2007, 08:54 AM
Welcome to the hub, Sivank.

I'd say that NT's thread is one of the most interesting. There is part one somewhere, and I'd suggest that you start from there. I stumbled onto this forum when I was doing a search on NT, and voila! There was Murali-sar and his NT's political phase articles. Brilliant pieces.

As Aandavan said (darn you for making me call you that), visit other threads too. You will most of NT fans in MGR's thread too. Some great posts there, including links to songs and scenes. Here you will mostly find analysis of NT's performance. Have fun.

And don't worry about being in the company of greats like Murali-sar and Saradha mdm, just write what you feel. That's what matters.

sivank
8th March 2007, 12:53 PM
[tscii]Hi Guys,
Tks for the nice welcome. Infact I too stumbled on this site after searching NT´s old films. I have the pleasure to read all the 100 pages of
NT part1 and was a passive follower of all the discussions happened in that. My problem is that in germany I don´t get so much tamil
movies and I have rely upon my memory to talk about NT films which I have seen in the past. While reading posts of Murali Sir and saradha Madam and Grouchos and Joes analyse of various films I drfift into my past.
I happened to see the film Johnny mera Naam
from Dev Anand recently and thanks to Saradha Madams analyse of Raja I could see the film with a different point of view.
Joe Sir sonna madhiri NT jothiyil aikkiyamagivitten. Nandri Nanbargale.

Nakeeran
9th March 2007, 03:28 PM
Here is the link for the famous 500% comedy entertainer BALE PANDYA !

Nadigar Thilagam in 3 roles :

1. An innocent guy
2. A pettai rowdy
3. A doctor

I will pick the 2 and 3rd ones , especially the doctor !

Not to forget , MRRadha , the FIl character, hilarious !

http://techsatish-techsatish.blogspot.com/2007/02/bale-pandiya-tamil-movie-download-links.html

saradhaa_sn
10th March 2007, 01:21 PM
Dear Sivank....

Thanks for your appreciation and you are most welcome to the forum.

We are expecting your active participation here, with your valuable posts.

sivank
10th March 2007, 07:08 PM
Dear Nakeeran thanks for bringing my favourite
movie Bale pandiya. In my opinion it is one of the films of NT where young actors can see and
learn something about acting. The difference
between Marudhu, Shankar and Pandiyan is so
good. I still remeber a few scenes of the film.
Just as Marudhu wears a pant for the first time
impersonating Pandiyan how he tries to handle
as if it is a lungi or how the modulation in the
voice if Marudhu or pandian talks to MRR is
simply great.
Lovely film.

Murali Srinivas
10th March 2007, 09:25 PM
Dear Sivan/Groucho,

Both of you had written something which made me to write this.

Groucho, you said that you don't have PP and sivan said that he don't get to watch Tamil movies and is quoting from his memory.

Sivan, we are in the same boat. It would surprise people if I say I don't have even a single VCD/DVD of NT movies at home. Not that I can't buy but somehow the idea of watching it in CD/DVD format doesn't excite me. For me the movie has to be watched in Theatre. That is the ultimate experience, especially for NT movies.

Maybe, having become a NT fan in the hey days and having watched all that movies in theatre has made me feel like this.(In fact I don't watch any movie in CD/DVD). So till the time satellite TVs came to the front, old movies were getting released in theatres and we used to see it. The advent of Satellite TVs put a stop to that. Now all the movies are being telecast in TV. In a way, many get a chance to watch these movies, which otherwise would not have been possible. Even then there are some old movies like Iruvar Ullam and Vilayattu Pillai (to name a few) which are not being shown.

These channels do a over kill and for me especially two films Karnan and Vasantha Maaligai which I would have always preferred to watch it in theatres are being telecast almost once in every month, which simply takes away the charm from them. In Vasantha Maaligai, when I watch the song sequence " Oru Kinnathai Endhukiren", I would always look forward to the last part of the last saranam which would start with NT (TMS) singing

Kattazahkanothor Karpanai Rajiyam Kaati Mudindhada; Athil
Kattil Amaindhada;
Angu Sattangal Dharmangal Ethumillai; Inba chakkram suthudhada

Having sung these line, NT in his own royal style would strech his legs a bit apart, put his hands in his hip,with a slight laugh, will sing

"Naan Chakravarthiyada."

Immediately my mind would jump to Sep 29, 1972, (the day VM was released) matinee show at Madurai New cinema,( I was in school and it was quarterly exam holidays) where I saw the entire theate erupting in joy. Not only on that day,whenever I have seen whether it was during the first release or subsequent releases, the experience was the same.Many scenes would attract the same response in theatre. Watching it in TV, I don't get that ecstacy.

So after coming to Chennai, almost 2 years ago, when I saw the Ad of VM getting released in Pandian Theatre, I decided to go. My colleague (younger than me and a fan of NT) came with me. We decided to go for the Sunday evening show. I waited for him. He was a bit late. The beauty is we didn't know where the theatre was. I asked all my friends, but nobody could give the exact location except saying that it is there in North Madras. Finally called up Tele services and got the phone no of the theatre. Called up the theatre itself and took the route map (all these land line calls were done from my mobile!). We were near Egmore and when we reached Mint it was almost 6.30 PM. The theatre is situated in a small by lane and the lane entrance itself had a huge NT poster with a garland. But Alas! when we went neaar the theatre it was House Full and around 100- 200 people were trying for tickets. We tried our level best to get in but it was of no avail. We had to return. After a month or so, VM was released in Kodambakkam Liberty and this time I made sure that there are no hiccups and I went for the Sunday evening show and saw it. What I could notice was if the movie had not been regularly shown in TV, the theatre atmosphere would have been terrific.

But times are changing. Now I feel that I have to buy the CD/DVDs as the chances of watching NT movies in theatres is fast becoming zero. But still I am postponing the purchase.

Another factor which I would like to tell here is also related to Groucho's feelings on so called over acting critisicm. Again this is due to TV/CD/DVD watching. If you had seen the people who talk about over acting, mostly they would be of next generation having watched NT movies only thro' TV and that too in bits and pieces. And remember they are watching a movie released in 60s and 70s after 30/40 years and they are not aware of the social background of TN at that point of time. So their feelings based on today's mind set is to be expected, though they are totally off the mark.That's why I don't argue with anybody who talks about NT's so called overacting.

I think this has become a bit long.Thanks to Groucho for giving me a chance to put this things here, though it might have bored some(or many?)

Regards

joe
11th March 2007, 08:11 PM
TNCC (Tamil Nadu Congress Commitee) announced that party constitute an Award in the name of Nadigar Thilagam ,and it will be awarded to best actors every year.

sivank
12th March 2007, 06:52 PM
[tscii:1ecbd17dc4]Dear Murali Srinivas,

As you wrote our NT is really a Chakravarthi. I actually feel he didn´t shine in politics is simply because people saw not the person Sivaji but the role he played. He simply mingled in that role so that the people identified him only to the roles he played. That is the price he had to pay for his unbelievable acting. In those days the only medium of timepassing is only going to movies. So one drove the bus and the other missed it.

Dear Saradha Madam, I would be happy if you
start giving reviews of all the NT films from the beginning. Perhaps you could consider it.

BTW any of our hubbers living in Germany.

Rgds.
Sivan[/tscii:1ecbd17dc4]

sivank
12th March 2007, 06:53 PM
[tscii:d4f8ab7554]Dear Murali Srinivas,

As you wrote our NT is really a Chakravarthi. I actually feel he didn´t shine in politics is simply because people saw not the person Sivaji but the role he played. He simply mingled in that role so that the people identified him only to the roles he played. That is the price he had to pay for his unbelievable acting. In those days the only medium of timepassing is only going to movies. So one drove the bus and the other missed it.

Dear Saradha Madam, I would be happy if you
start giving reviews of all the NT films from the beginning. Perhaps you could consider it.

BTW any of our hubbers living in Germany.

Rgds.
Sivan[/tscii:d4f8ab7554]

Murali Srinivas
12th March 2007, 08:33 PM
Dear Joe,

Not only the award, they unveiled a portrait (or should I say a life size photograph) of NT in Sathyamoorthi Bhavan. The initiative was taken by EVKS Elangovan.

Dear Sivan,

You had spoken about a issue on which I started posting in this forum ( You have read that, I believe). Due to some problems and due to time constraint, I am yet to complete that. Hope to continue that soon. Meanwhile, we will share a lot on our NT.

Regards

Murali Srinivas
12th March 2007, 08:33 PM
Dear Joe,

Not only the award, they unveiled a portrait (or should I say a life size photograph) of NT in Sathyamoorthi Bhavan. The initiative was taken by EVKS Elangovan.

Dear Sivan,

You had spoken about a issue on which I started posting in this forum ( You have read that, I believe). Due to some problems and due to time constraint, I am yet to complete that. Hope to continue that soon. Meanwhile, we will share a lot on our NT.

Regards

Nakeeran
12th March 2007, 09:37 PM
Link for the famous Oru kinnathil yendhugiren
fm Vasantha maligai

http://techsatish-techsatish.blogspot.com/2007/03/oru-kinnathai-yethukindran-vasantha.html

Music by KV Mahadevan

joe
13th March 2007, 11:26 AM
Link for the famous Oru kinnathil yendhugiren
fm Vasantha maligai

http://techsatish-techsatish.blogspot.com/2007/03/oru-kinnathai-yethukindran-vasantha.html

Music by KV Mahadevan

Thanks a lot Nakeeran :D

sivank
13th March 2007, 09:21 PM
Very good link Nakeeran, Thank You.

joe
14th March 2007, 08:13 AM
Evergreen comedy from Thiruvilayadal (NT -Nagesh)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paVn36tNRA4

unhappyboy
15th March 2007, 07:10 PM
Nice to see there are 60 pages for NT. He certainly deserves it. Whilst understanding a great actor, it's also important to know his limitations, if any. Or, we should only be one-sided and partial. Hence, I thought it necessary to include some balanced and constructive criticism as well. Hope no one takes it the wrong way.

#1 Overacting

This is a common allegation, but I have something more to this. I can actually illustrate this with a good example, and how his acting gave people the wrong idea about certain characters.

Take the movie Karna, for instance. Now Karna of MB is actually sun's son, a celestial being. He's not like ordinary people. But the way NT acts, it's as if Karna has high BP every minute in the movie. Karna reacts violently throughout the movie. Whenever he hears bad news or someone makes a remark, he starts yelling and sometimes, he even takes the sword to kill Bhishma and other oldies! He also faints once, hearing some overwhelming news!

Honestly, is this the way to portray a celestial being? Fainting at some bad news, screaming at an old man, talking back to the Lord himself etc. etc. ??? Surely, people are getting a wrong picture of the Karna of MB. Instead of portraying Karna as a devata-amsha, NT had managed to portray him as a ruffian with high BP and attitude problem.

BOTTOM LINE, This is not just overacting. He's practically killed the character he's supposed to play. Just because I am pointing this out, please don't attack me. Take it in the right spirit.

This is just one allegation, and there are many more flaws in his acting. I'll post them, once I get enough replies on this one. And again, I'd like to apologize if anyone's hurt. I only want to show the other side of this great actor, rather than merely post good things (which, incidentally, has been done for 60 pages).

joe
15th March 2007, 07:39 PM
Unhappyboy,
It is not just 60 pages ,This is a continuation of Part I ,which was 100 pages .

Hearing NT overcated is nothing new to us, NT fans .So many times it has been discussed and given various explanation .If you are really interested to know ,pls go through all 160 pages ,since we don't want to repeat the same for every newcomer.

Thanks for your interesting analysis on Karnan Character .I also want somebody who has geniune knowledge in mahabharatha come forward and analyse the same.


Btw,If you want, you can list other nagative points in NT's acting ,so that we can get enlighted and educated about what is acting..Thanks.

unhappyboy
15th March 2007, 07:57 PM
Hearing NT overcated is nothing new to us, NT fans .So many times it has been discussed and given various explanation .If you are really interested to know ,pls go through all 160 pages ,since we don't want to repeat the same for every newcomer.


Most of these allegations (reg. overacting) are childish and can be answered easily. I've encountered them before.

But what I am suggesting is something new, not to mention analytical. I am not making a general statement that he overacted, but giving interesting insights on why I call it overacting, and how it destroys the very character he's trying to portray. I am not merely stating the same old complaints that NT overacted, and so on, but giving a new perspective. If you're honest, you'll admit you haven't come across such views before.

Anyway, who gave him the title "NT." I am curious to know. I thought it was EVR, but correct me if I am wrong.

joe
15th March 2007, 08:10 PM
unhappyboy,
Exactly .Your approach is different and thanks for going to give us many more these kind of analysis.

You know ,NT fans are very less in number and we can't expect replies to your questions immediately ..So instead of waiting for answer ,I suggest ,why don't you carry on writing more and more about your insight ,your excellent analysis ,so that people can read those when they visit this thread and reply if they can.

Btw, The title NT given by a popular cinema magazine 'Pesum Padam' ,infact it was suggested by a reader..Periyar gave the title 'SIVAJI' to Ganesan.

sivank
16th March 2007, 03:38 AM
[tscii:46eb8ce8b4]Dear unhappyboy,

I just happened to read your mail. I am one of the Hardcore NT fans. Still I will also accept when there is something wrong. But here what you write is not completely correct.

To start with MB it is mentioned amply that Karna fainted during the war manytimes. It mentions also that Arjuna, Yudhishtra, Duryodana, Bhima also fainted during the war and their Sarathis took them out of the battle field.

Morevoer NT protrays somebody who has a severe inferiority complex. As you might know the film karnan has been doctored to suit the taste of mass public. There are several incidents which dosen´t come in MB. Maybe he could have palyed a bit calmer. It was mostprobably his intention to protray someone who is brave and strong. You know in
our culture people tend to be loud and do things to show that they are strong. You must also think that the film is 35-40 years old. The
taste in those days were certainly different than today.

I haven´t seen the film for a while still I remember a lot from this film. I can´t recall NT
shouting allwys at somebody. Saval viduvar OK
but shouting no. It is also mentioned in MB that Bhishma says Karna is not to take part in
the war. Not only him his whole army. Due to this Karna says that he will not take part in the war till Bhishma runs the show.

Take it as a part of acting which was suitable for those days. Please don´t try to degrade NT
he was something special which each and every Tamilian could b proud of.
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tacinema
17th March 2007, 08:25 PM
NT fans: Sorry, I am coming back after a while. It is good that the thread is dealing with both achievements and intelligent criticism of NT.

Unhappyboy: Good to see your criticism about NT's performance in Karnan. As a NT fan, I would say that you are both right and wrong about Karnan. First of all, I heard NT was a director's actor and in case of Karnan, the movie was directed by B.R. Bandhalu. In fact, BRB also made many movies with NT, including historical VPKattabomman and KTamizhan. BRB, I believe, used to do due research before finalizing the characters, especially if the movie is going to be based on history. If I remember correctly, in VPK, the title shows the research was done by a team of cine professionals, which also includes NT name. Considering this background, I would certainly believe BRB must have done good research before making Karnan. So, though Karnan is the son of Sun, a celestial being, he possessed anger or short temper especially when it comes to friendship. In fact, even in Mahabaratha episodes (created by Chopra), Karnan character was portrayed as an angry one and very loyal to his friend, who gave him fame and life. Now, as a normal movie lover, I would certainly believe Karnan was a kind hearted, extremely loyal and an angry creature.

Coming to NT's performance, he portrayed Karnan exactly what director BRB expected and more importantly, what Tamil public and his fans wanted. Whether NT went overboard to mould himself as Karnan, that is a different story. A part of the public admired his performance and another group always criticised it. The debate of NT as Karna was always there and in fact, I have raised this point (while comparing this with Tiruvilaiyadal), which is available in part 1 of this thread. In my view, I can divide NT character into three parts in the movie: as an abandoned personality, extremely loyal to his friend who is ready to sacrifice his life and as a romantic, loving and caring husband. Out of these three, NT as Karnan portrays an angry personality when someone crosses (including Lord Krishna) into his friend's life. This part is so sensational and anyone watches the movie comes out very convinced that the saying "A friend in need is a fiend indeed" is correct. As a NT fan, I am proud to say that NT has come out so great as Karnan. Did he go overboard and overact? I might say: yes to a small extent. But, in contrast to what you said, NT did not portray as a high BP person.

There are many actors who tried to take this characters, including our Superstar Rajini, but failed in their attempts. Rajani's character in Talapathy, to a great extent, is a re-creation of NT's Karnan character. Did anyone bring it out convincingly as NT? My personal answer is No. That's where NT stands out!

You should try some of these NT movies: Thevar Mahan, Mudhal mariyadhai, Keel vanam sivakkum, Raja, Motor sundaram pillai, pachai vilakku, paava manippu, raja rani, and so on. All these movies show NT as a normal and very subtle personality.

Last but not least: NT gave tamil movie goers a wide variety of acting genre; he was extremely talented who transformed from stage dramas to silver screen quite convincingly.

sankara1970
18th March 2007, 04:17 PM
[tscii:3f2cd2557d]Basically Karnan (even Krishna) was human being and he was left by his real mother Kunthi and was adopted by a chariot.
During the show of strength, all kings were present-when asked who his father was-Karna says chariot's son-and everyone laughs-

To contest in a competition-one has to be equal with other contestant-so Duriyothana announces Karna as king. that is why, Karna fights and dies for Duriothana

Bhishma announces the names of many lesser ranked soldiers ahead of Karna-to be leading the 18 day Kurukshetra war-Karna feels disgusted and could not tolerate disrepect-he was considered best at par with Arjuna in skills-Bhishma did so that Karna will be there till end with Duryothan.

Karna is a multi faceted personality. He had Inferiority complex (we assume because of his birth)-compare this character with Deivamagan Sivaji character.

Cinema is an exaggeration-only if the actors act-people will understand the feelings from their expressions -now a days effect is given by music and graphics-

No one has seen VPK, Karnan, Shivaji the Maratha, Raja Raja Cholan,Sivan, Naratha-esp all historic characters-only we have read them and many would have imagined their characters. But it is NT who brought life to all our imagination-

NT brought the best- how he was able to portray Socrates in one of his movies, he used to watch English movies in his early days-can anyone question his pronunciation?

Thangapathakam RB Chowdhri character? He showed the film preview to all top police officers in Madras-every one praised the role as an example for them and can anyone show one police officer similar to the role-who was his role model in that film? It was his own production-and his own drama.

When Kappalotiya Thamizan was released, his son said “ Em appavai neril parthen”

Do any one has the strength like NT to shout? Vow! That is why he was called Simmakurolon

What a great man-what a great actor he was?


Amitabh –superstar of Hollywood-now in limelight–gets award for all round performances from French govt- and many other fames he is getting-some media projected him as President of India

He says to actor Prabu during his son’s wedding –“It is my respect to the great Sivaji Sir” –such was the impact Sivaji made in minds of people.

Please don’t write degrading any character played by our God NT
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groucho070
20th March 2007, 09:53 AM
Well, unhappyboy, I wouldn't go so far to call NT God. But I hold him at high esteem. I watch Tamil and Hollywood films only. So, in my opinion there are three best actors so far, all of whom are no longer in this world - Olivier, Brando and NT.

All good actors, have in some point, done some really bad movie, or did some bad performances. NT is no exception.

His overacting has been useful in some films, and in some completely irrelevant. You can usually find this in the 80s. The films were bad anyway, and NT need not be restrained or subdued.

Have you mentioned NT in, for example, Chitra Pournami or Pattakatthi Bairavan - I'd have agreed with you. But to mention one of NT's most monumental moments in cinematic history - Karnan - is certainly blasphemous.

Were you giving your opinions simply because you wanted to have a different opinion. An original opinion? If so, you missed the mark.

Tac has given reasonable explanation. but I'd suggest that you read all the previous 100 pages and continue with this thread. You will find facts, figures, definitions, descriptions, backgrounders, historical analysis of NT's time, and more.


If you do not, that means you are not really an NT's fan, and it's okay if you don't have much to contribute. You can visit this thread time to time and let the real fans do the posting.

You intent in analysing NT's overacting is good - we've done that along the way - but your arguments are pathetic.

smith
20th March 2007, 01:47 PM
There is no doubt that Sivaji is one of our greatest actors. The influence of theatre was profound in those days & hence his "overacting".

There was an interesting incident narated by Cho in tughlaq. It seems once when they were shooting together, after the shot, sivaji asked him for his opinion. Cho told him frankly that he found it too loud. Sivaji then took him aside & enacted the scene in a subtle way. Cho was awestruck & asked him as to why he did not do the scene that way. For that sivaji's reply " If I do like this, U will appreciate, but will the cine goers do so?".

So, it is to be admitted that cinegores too
expected theatrics from sivaji.

Also, he should have taken meaningful roles after his 200th film - Tirisoolam. After this, he chose to do about 70 odd films, many of which were not only flops, but also had him singing duets with heroines ike srividya, ambika etc., which was rather embarrasing.

Also, he could have sought out new age directors & done meaninful roles. Only Muthal mariyadhai & Thevar magar could be mentioned as meaningful roles in the closing stages of his career.

nerdy
20th March 2007, 02:56 PM
There is no doubt that Sivaji is one of our greatest actors. The influence of theatre was profound in those days & hence his "overacting".

There was an interesting incident narated by Cho in tughlaq. It seems once when they were shooting together, after the shot, sivaji asked him for his opinion. Cho told him frankly that he found it too loud. Sivaji then took him aside & enacted the scene in a subtle way. Cho was awestruck & asked him as to why he did not do the scene that way. For that sivaji's reply " If I do like this, U will appreciate, but will the cine goers do so?".

So, it is to be admitted that cinegores too
expected theatrics from sivaji.

Also, he should have taken meaningful roles after his 200th film - Tirisoolam. After this, he chose to do about 70 odd films, many of which were not only flops, but also had him singing duets with heroines ike srividya, ambika etc., which was rather embarrasing.

Also, he could have sought out new age directors & done meaninful roles. Only Muthal mariyadhai & Thevar magar could be mentioned as meaningful roles in the closing stages of his career.


Smith

Hit the bulls eve.

saradhaa_sn
20th March 2007, 05:05 PM
தம்பி, யாருப்பா அது 'மகாபாரதத்தை' கரைத்துக் குடித்து விட்டு வந்திருப்பது...!. நானும் ம்காபாரதம் படித்திருக்கிறேன்.

நல்ல பாத்திரப்படைப்பான 'கர்ணன' பாத்திரத்தை நடிகர் திலகம் கெடுத்து விட்டார் என்பது உங்களது குற்றசாட்டு.

வியாசர் 'எழுதிய' மகாபாரதத்திலிருந்து, சோப்ரா 'எடுத்த' மகாபாரதம் வரையில் எதிலும் கர்ணனை நல்லவன் என்று சொல்லவில்லை. கெட்டவன் என்றும், கெட்டவர்களில் ஒருவன் என்றும், கெட்டவர்கள் கூட்டத்தைச் சேர்ந்தவன் என்றும் மட்டுமே குறிப்பிட்டனர்.

ஆனால் நடிகர் திலகம் நடித்த "கர்ணன்" திரைப்படத்தில் மட்டுமே கர்ணனை நல்லவனாகவும் அனுதாபத்துக்குரியவனாகவும் சித்தரித்து அதைத்திறம்பட வெளிப்படுத்தவும் செய்துள்ளனர்.

சூரிய புத்திரனான கர்ணனுக்கு கோபதாபங்கள் வரலாமா என்பது உங்களது குற்றப்பத்திரிக்கை.

ஐயா, தான் ஒரு சூரிய புத்திரன் என்ற விவரம் கணனுக்கே தெரியாதையா (குந்தி வந்து சொல்லும் வரையில்). அதுவரை அவன் தன்னை ஒரு சாதாரண மனிதனாக மட்டுமே நினைத்திருந்தான். அது மட்டுமல்ல தாய் யார், தந்தை யார் என்றரியாத அனாதையென்றே தன்னைக் கருதியிருந்தான். தன்னை ஆற்றில் மிதக்கவிட்ட தாயின் மீது அத்தனை கோபம், அவயனைத்தும் தன்னைச் சுற்றியிருப்பவர்கள் மீதுதானே திரும்பும்?.

தான் சூரிய புத்திரன் என்று தெரிந்திருந்தால், போட்டிக்களத்தில் தன்னுடைய தந்தை யார் என்று கேட்ட் கேலி செய்தவர்களிடம் 'நான் சூரியனின் குமாரன்' என்று சொல்லாமல் 'நான் தேரோட்டி அதிரதனின் வளர்ப்பு மகன்' என்று சொல்லியிருப்பானா?.

இவனுக்காவது தான் சூரிய புத்திரன் என்று தெரியாததால், சாதாரண மக்களைப்போல் நடக்க் முற்பட்டான். ஆனால் தான் கடவுளின் அவதாரம் என்று தெரிந்திருந்தும் 'கிருஷ்ணன்' என்ன செய்தான்?

கௌரவர்களை வீழ்த்த அவன் கையாண்ட முறைகள் அனைத்தும், யுத்த தர்மங்களை தூக்கியெறிந்த, நாலாந்தர சூழ்ச்சிகள்

** சிகண்டியை முன்னிறுத்தி பீஷ்மரை வீழ்த்தியது,

** 'அஸ்வத்தாமன்' என்ற யானையின் பெயரைச்சொல்லி துரோணரை நிலைகுலையச்செய்து கொன்றது

** கர்ணனின் தர்மப்பலன்களை முனிவர் வேடத்தில் போய் யாசகம் பெற்று, பின் அவனைக்கொன்றது

** யுத்த தர்மத்தை மீறி, துரியோதனனின் தொடையில் கதையால் அடித்து வீழ்த்தியது

இவையெல்லாம் ஒரு கடவுள் அவதாரம் செய்யக்கூடிய வேலைகளா?. அவனே இவ்வளவு கேவலமாக நடந்திருக்கும்போது, தன்னை சாதாரண மனிதனாகவே எண்ணி வாழ்ந்த கர்ணன் தன்னையும் தன் பிறப்பையும் இழிவு படுத்தியவர்கள் மீது கோபம் கொள்வது என்ன தவறு?. அதைத்தானே நடிகர் திலகமும் அருமையாகக் கையாண்டார்?.

ஒன்று தெரிந்துகொள்ளுங்கள்.... நடிகர் திலகத்தின் எத்தனையோ குறைகளை நாங்களே இங்கே அலசியிருக்கிற்Pமே தவிர, மற்ற நடிகர்களின் தளங்களைப்போல வெறுமனே துதி பாடும் கூட்டமாக நாங்கள் இருந்ததில்லை. எத்தனையோ படங்களைக் குறிப்பிட்டு, இவற்றில் அவர் நடித்திருக்க வேண்டுமா என்று நாங்களே கேள்வி எழுப்பியிருக்கிறோம்.

'கர்ணன்' படத்தில் அவரது நடிப்பு ரசிகர்களால் மட்டுமல்ல, பொதுமக்களாலும் ஒப்புக்கொள்ளப்பட்ட ஒன்று. எத்தனையோ வீடுகளில் 'கர்ணன்' சி.டி.க்களை சொந்தமாக வாங்கி வைத்து அவ்வப்போது பார்த்து வருகிறார்கள்.

ஆகவே உங்களது கருத்து, தேர்தலில் சுயேச்சை வேட்பாளர்களுக்கு அளிக்கப்படும் வாக்குகலைப்போல மதிப்பற்றதாகவும், பலனற்றதாகவும் ஆகி விட்டது போலத்தோன்ற்றுகிறது.

உங்கள் விமர்சனங்கள் எப்போதும் வரவேற்கப்படுகின்றன. இங்கு மட்டுமே நீங்கள் தைரியமாக உங்கள் கருத்துக்களை வைக்க முடியும். மற்ற நடிகர்களின் தளங்களில் என்றால் நீங்கள் காயமின்றி தப்பி வர முடியாது.

ஆம், நடிகர்திலகத்தின் ரசிகர்கள் / ரசிகைகள் அகிம்சாவாதிகள்.

joe
20th March 2007, 07:20 PM
Hopefully unhappyboy will become happybody by seeing all responses from NT fans.

tacinema
20th March 2007, 07:42 PM
Nerdy and Smith: Dont go overboard with your arguments. By saying NT did not act in meaningful cinema after Tirisoolam is an one-sided argument. I will have to conclude that you are making an incomplete conclusion. The problem is that you are comparing NT's performance with his own. Of course, if you make this comparison, then I will admit that his movie in 80s were mediocre. But, if you make the comparison in general, then I will say until late 80s, he was beating the upcoming stars Rajini and Kamal. Some of NT's good post-tirisoolam movies:

1. keel vaanam sivakkum (Father-in-law character, with Saritha)
2. vaazhkai (with Ambika)
3. Theerppu (with Sujata)
4. Neethipathi (with KRV)
5. Vellai Roja (dual role, no heroine)
6. Sandhippu (dual role, with Sujata and Sridevi)
7. Saadhanai (no heroine)
8. Jallikattu (no heroine & role with Satya raj)
9. Parichaikku Nermatchu
10. Thaikku oru thalattu (after a long time, with Padmini)
11. Vasanthathil oor Naal (with Sripriya)

I am not including padikkathavan here; though NT's role and his performance were good, but it was mostly a Rajni movie.

Most of the above listed were hits to super-hits. Especially, movies such as theeruppu, neethipathi and sandhippu, were silver-jubilee hits. Again as Murali Srinivas said once, it is important to note that Theerppu and Needipathi were running at the same time in Madurai Cinepriya complex; i think both were made by the same producer, NT's friend K.Balaji. This shows that NT, though aged, was still ruling tamil cinema. So, I would advise the hubbers not to come to a conclusion that post-tirisoolam period was dud; it never was.

I am not a big fan of NT with young actesses during those days. But, if you are going to accuse NT on this point, then you should equally accuse other actors, including Makkal thilagam, Gemini, Rajini and Kamal. Either they acted with young actresses during those days or they are still acting. The coin should be flipped on both sides. So, stop accusing NT just for the sake of accusing.

Before commenting about NT, I would suggest the hubbers read about NT's history. This is more important because NT himself is tamil cinema history.

We welcome criticism about NT; but we expect it should be logical and meaningful.

thimuru
20th March 2007, 07:57 PM
karnan performance is stylish and majestic...his theatrical histrionics has helped him doing historical roles...

overacting...in colour movies of final stage

unhappyboy
20th March 2007, 08:38 PM
Hopefully unhappyboy will become happybody by seeing all responses from NT fans.

Indeed! To be honest, I never quite expected it. :D But I wish that one poster could've posted in English, his tamil was too hard for me, anyway.

I'll refute these arguments later on, but in the meantime, I have more 'complaints' against the great NT. Hope ppl don't take this the wrong way, but there are some things about NT I can never understand.

#1 For an actor, physique is extremely important. Why was it NT, even whilst still young, couldn't maintain it properly? We can reconsider Karnan in this matter. You'd hardly expect Surya Putra Karna, master archer, to be overweight with a bubbly face.

An actor's job is not simply playing the role, but getting the body into correct shape in order to play that role. NT, I am sorry to say, failed in this. Remember Kamal changed his body weight, shape, and size in the same movie (alavandhan) to portray two different roles. That's dedication to acting, but NT failed in this regard.

#2 Very poor dancer

#3 Wasn't a 'STYLE KING' like SS. Most of his roles revolved around acting, acting...and more acting! Became so monotonous and predictable.

#4 As an older man, he became somewhat obese. In spite of that, he didn't choose roles wisely, instead prefered dancing around with heroines half his age and size! It really was a blot on NT's illustrious career, people used to laugh at it. As an NT fan, I was hurt and embarassed. :oops:

#5 Couldn't be subtle, like SS was in movies like Raghavendra.

#6 Too much ego made NT overshadow the character he was portraying. Contrast this with SS' stunning performance in RAGHAVENDRA, where he portrayed the saint as HE WAS, and not according to his whims and fancies. This made SS synonymous with Raghavendra, whereas NT's histrionics became more important than the character itself.

Again, I'd like to apologize if anyone's hurt. That's not my intention at all. I simply believing in calling a spade a spade.

joe
20th March 2007, 08:57 PM
unhappyboy,
kamal,rajini-ya inga kondu vanthu unga Naarathar velaiya nallave pannureenga ,athuvum NT fan-nnu sollikittu . Nadathunga..nadathunga :)

I don't want to answer since From your answers,I don't beleive you are NT fan and I have a big doubt ,you really have any idea about movies like Uththamapuththiran ,Thiruvarudselvar ,Deiva magan etc.

Anyway ,other NT fans may answer you..Let us wait :)

Kumar
21st March 2007, 05:36 AM
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I'll refute these arguments later on, but in the meantime, I have more 'complaints' against the great NT. Hope ppl don't take this the wrong way, but there are some things about NT I can never understand.

#1 For an actor, physique is extremely important. Why was it NT, even whilst still young, couldn't maintain it properly? We can reconsider Karnan in this matter. You'd hardly expect Surya Putra Karna, master archer, to be overweight with a bubbly face.

An actor's job is not simply playing the role, but getting the body into correct shape in order to play that role. NT, I am sorry to say, failed in this. Remember Kamal changed his body weight, shape, and size in the same movie (alavandhan) to portray two different roles. That's dedication to acting, but NT failed in this regard.

#2 Very poor dancer

#3 Wasn't a 'STYLE KING' like SS. Most of his roles revolved around acting, acting...and more acting! Became so monotonous and predictable.

#4 As an older man, he became somewhat obese. In spite of that, he didn't choose roles wisely, instead prefered dancing around with heroines half his age and size! It really was a blot on NT's illustrious career, people used to laugh at it. As an NT fan, I was hurt and embarassed. :oops:

#5 Couldn't be subtle, like SS was in movies like Raghavendra.

#6 Too much ego made NT overshadow the character he was portraying. Contrast this with SS' stunning performance in RAGHAVENDRA, where he portrayed the saint as HE WAS, and not according to his whims and fancies. This made SS synonymous with Raghavendra, whereas NT's histrionics became more important than the character itself.

Again, I'd like to apologize if anyone's hurt. That's not my intention at all. I simply believing in calling a spade a spade.

It's strange to compare NT with actors of a totally different era like Rajini (or Kamal for that matter). May as well compare Buster Keaton with Tom Cruise. Anyway:

#1 Nobody has seen Karnan in real life, and there was no Geneva Convention rule that charioteers of ancient India had to be of a certain physical shape. And for all you know, NT’s body type may not have allowed him to lose weight that easily. Still, I don’t think NT was overweight at all in Karnan. He was certainly agile and active.

#2 Very poor dancer: Rajini is not the best dancer, but I don’t hear any complaints from you. Anyway, NT’s generation of actors concentrated mainly on acting (MGR, SSR, Gemini, Muthuraman, AVM Rajan, etc). This is because unlike today’s movies, they didn’t have intro songs where they danced with a group of people. This generation of actors need to dance like there’s no tomorrow because the audience demand it. Songs scenes are now like MTV videos. Still NT had some cool moves in his days. He did a solo in Thiruvilaiyadal which was good. He also danced in his later movies and did well for his age. Anyway, he'll always be miles ahead of some of the so called 'actors' who can dance but can't act for nuts!!

#3 Oooohhhh…..I have to disagree strongly with you here. No, he didn’t have the whooshing noise each time he raised his little finger, but he was a trendsetter. His stylish walk is legendary. So is his regal stance. He swaggered like no one else. He could raise his eyebrow with style, etc ,etc, etc. Out of all the actors of his generation, he was perhaps the most stylish.

#4 His weight did increase- but then he trimmed down again. In Dhevar Maghan he looked really trim; the same in Padayappa, Pasumpon, etc

#5 He could be subtle when needed: Dhevar Maghan, Mudhal Mariyadhai, Thirumal Perumai, etc

#6 “This made SS synonymous with Raghavendra, whereas NT's histrionics became more important than the character itself.”- Well, it was his portrayal of Shivaji that made ND synonymous with the Marathi, hence the title. And mention the name Shivaji Ganesan and people automatically think Veerapandia Kattabomman.
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groucho070
21st March 2007, 09:06 AM
[tscii]Please note at the end of Saradha mdm’s post, she said we are ahimsaivathi. True. We don’t come out with guns blazing if people criticise NT. We do it ourselves. And we analyse. You haven’t heard from Murali-sar, boy. I hope he doesn’t respond to your post…coz it’ll be scary. Be afraid. Be very afraid.


Let’s look at your errr…complaints


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#1 For an actor, physique is extremely important. Why was it NT, even whilst still young, couldn't maintain it properly? We can reconsider Karnan in this matter. You'd hardly expect Surya Putra Karna, master archer, to be overweight with a bubbly face.

An actor's job is not simply playing the role, but getting the body into correct shape in order to play that role. NT, I am sorry to say, failed in this. Remember Kamal changed his body weight, shape, and size in the same movie (alavandhan) to portray two different roles. That's dedication to acting, but NT failed in this regard.

You are probably referring to what they call ‘Method acting’. Unfortunately, people seem to think that losing weight and gaining it can help get Oscars. Kamal did it, because he can. Because outside of weight, he can still act – whether or not he’s heavy. But even he has to succumb to weight problem now. His putting on weight has nothing to do with the role. But that had not deterred him to give brilliant performance in VV or the upcoming Dasavatharam.

Changing weight and get-up doesn’t mean you are a great actor. They are just props and method to aid you with acting.

Coming to NT. Weight was never an issue at that time. Plus he was doing many films at the same time and you can’t be wasting producers money for them to wait for you to put on or lose weight. They need you. They know well that only NT can do those roles and NT has to do it. Heavy or not, you’ve completely forgotten the weight issue. Get a list of NT’s film, and see the variety of roles he has done in the same year. If the producers and directors were to wait for him to change his weight, you’d probably get only one NT film a year. That’s said isn’t it, dear unhappy NT fan?


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“#2 Very poor dancer”

So was Marlon Brando when he was doing Guys and Dolls with Frank Sinatra. These Hollywood folks, who do one film a year or one in two year, hire dancing coaches and has personal trainer. And yeah, you do know Brando, do you?

Can NT afford that? Plus dancing is not an important element of acting at that time. Acting is. Nowadays, dancing seems to be a qualification, and most actors are only got at that (I’m not saying names).

As a matter of fact, I'd even say that he's a poor fighter. Why should he? He is doing mostly character roles...not superheroes.



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#3 Wasn't a 'STYLE KING' like SS. Most of his roles revolved around acting, acting...and more acting! Became so monotonous and predictable.

Rajini said, “If I am Style manna, Sivaji is Style Chakravarthi”.

Rajini took it from NT, improvised it and made it’s own. You are right, most of his roles revolve around acting, acting and more acting. Is that a bad thing? Or do you want him to spout punch dialogues, turn his head three times, fly all over the place, blah, blah, blah…man I’m getting sleepy.


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#4 As an older man, he became somewhat obese. In spite of that, he didn't choose roles wisely, instead prefered dancing around with heroines half his age and size! It really was a blot on NT's illustrious career, people used to laugh at it. As an NT fan, I was hurt and embarassed. :oops:

I can’t argue with this. He made many wrong steps and we have all acknowledged it. But sometimes the weight comes in handy, especially when he is having comic interactions with Rajini in Viduthalai (which was a bad movie anyway). As someone before me said, dancing with heroines half the star’s age is not a new thing. It happens all the time, all over the world, and fans are not complaining. Laugh as you may, but I am looking forward to seeing Kamal with Asin and Rajini with Shreya and see how the chemistry is.


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#5 Couldn't be subtle, like SS was in movies like Raghavendra.

I like the fact that you use Rajini for comparison. You are comparing Sishyan to Guru. Sishyan are supposed to be better than Guru. You judge. As for Raghavendra, the role requires him to be subtle, saintly. The same Rajini is a raging fire in Netrikann, which incidentally is a amalgam of many NT roles.


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#6 Too much ego made NT overshadow the character he was portraying. Contrast this with SS' stunning performance in RAGHAVENDRA, where he portrayed the saint as HE WAS, and not according to his whims and fancies. This made SS synonymous with Raghavendra, whereas NT's histrionics became more important than the character itself.

Don’t get you. Too much of ego in what? Where? Please clarify. As for Rajini’s performance, he had better performance in other movies. Raghavendra is what is known as ‘Actor Proof’ roles. It’s like playing a blind, or a deaf mute, or any disabled person. You can’t go wrong. Try playing an ordinary guy…that’s tough. That’s where many actor fail these days (except Rajini and Kamal, of course).


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Again, I'd like to apologize if anyone's hurt. That's not my intention at all. I simply believing in calling a spade a spade.

Why should we be hurt? When accusations like these come along, we NT fans get together, do analysis and end up appreciating NT more. Learn from us and tell your friends who are ‘embarassing’ you with NT complaints. Adieu.

Jabroni
21st March 2007, 09:22 AM
[tscii:6c5e5df5e3]digression


That’s where many actor fail these days (except Rajini and Kamal, of course).

:rotfl:


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Thirumaran
21st March 2007, 09:44 AM
Unhappyboy,
Pointing out negatives are fine. People here will be ready to answer. But comparing with other actors and doing the same does not end in a right sign here.

For all,
Please avoid any kind of comparison of NT and his movies with others which may end up in this thread going in wrong route.

Thanks.

joe
21st March 2007, 10:39 AM
Welcome Kumar to NT thread :D

We wish to have more inputs and posts from you.

smith
21st March 2007, 11:01 AM
--Deleted---

Moderator's Note :

No more involvement or criticism on other actors here.

joe
21st March 2007, 12:16 PM
Dear NT critics,
We NT fans are aware of weeknesses of NT and we are not the people argue NT is the best in everything.

But when you come and criticise NT here ,pls come with basic knowledge about NT and his movies .NT acted nearly 300 movies included handful of crap movies also .But there are huge no of movies ,which can prove the versatality and style of NT .If you guys watch only few countable movies usually shown in TV channels ,better do more findings before you come and accuse blindly something like 'NT is not Stylish' :lol: ..That will make us to take your intentions in different way and we tend to ignore you.

Otherwise ,we are ready to face any critisism and reply to you and ready to accept your points if it is geniune.Tks.

thimuru
21st March 2007, 12:17 PM
i dont know whether NT changec weight or not!

but in Navaratiri

drunkard - fat

kalyana mapillai - slim

police officer - fit

doctor,killer,dancer,vivasayi all looked diff

in veerapadiya kattabomman he looked majestic....but round and calm in kappalotiya thamizhan

joe
21st March 2007, 12:25 PM
Thimiru,
Nice observation ..NT has not only changed his look ,but he had a magical skill to look taller or shorter based on the character.

NT is very short in height .But if you notice him as a SP in thangapathakkam ,he looks taller.

when NT went to receive Best asian african actor award at Cairo ,Egyptian president Nasser invited him for a spl party .Nasser was expecting a jijantic ,majestic figure .But when he saw NT he was shocked to see a tiny ,short ,simple person and he told NT that he couldn't beleive he is the same person he has seen as Veerapandiya kattabomman ,who was taller ,jijantic and mejastic .Then one of the team members along with NT told nasser ,NT has a magic of this kind ,he used to look tall with his'Kampeeram'.

Naser was stunned .When naser visited India ,the first person he wanted to meet was none other than our NT :)

thimuru
21st March 2007, 12:32 PM
regarding dancing...why must an actor dance unless the movie is of salangai oli type?

did marlon brando,al pacino,robert de niro,tom hanks dance like jackson? :lol:

joe
21st March 2007, 12:48 PM
regarding dancing...why must an actor dance unless the movie is of salangai oli type?

did marlon brando,al pacino,robert de niro,tom hanks dance?

Thimiru,
NT learned sangeetham and dance to some extend ,since these are essential for anybody in a drama troop.

Ofcourse ,NT was not good in disco dance ,baharathanatiyam or club dance :lol:

But NT did many stylish steps (eg Uththama puthiran (Yaaradi Nee mohini) ). NT's characters didn't demand much of dancing ..But when he did koothu kind of dance which needs more expressions than steps ,he did extremely well .Eg : Koothu song in Navarathiri with savithiri , Ruthra thandavam in Thiruvilayadal.

He did some dappanguthu also in IruLum Oliyum ,Pattikaada pattanama etc.

His slow steps in the song Nallathoru kudumpam (Thangapathakkam) were majestic and stylish.

saradhaa_sn
21st March 2007, 12:48 PM
Dear Unhappyboy...!!, you only startef to compare NT with other actors. So, it is un-avoidable for us also to answer for you...

But at the same time when you compare actors, you MUST do it with his same aged and period actors, like MGR, Gemini, SSR or even with Jaisahnker, AVM Rajan, Muthuraman etc.

I am sorry to point out, you people compare NT only, even with Silambarasan. You have NO GUTS to do with other actors.


#1 For an actor, physique is extremely important. Why was it NT, even whilst still young, couldn't maintain it properly? We can reconsider Karnan in this matter. You'd hardly expect Surya Putra Karna, master archer, to be overweight with a bubbly face.

An actor's job is not simply playing the role, but getting the body into correct shape in order to play that role. NT, I am sorry to say, failed in this. Remember Kamal changed his body weight, shape, and size in the same movie (alavandhan) to portray two different roles. That's dedication to acting, but NT failed in this regard.


Do you have any portrait, how Karnan was in purana period...??..

You mentioned about 'Alavandhan' Kamal. Did you ever watch NT's 'Gowravam'..?. In that movie old Shivaji will look slim, where as younger Shivaji will look little fat. How it was possible in the same movie..?.

As you said, he did not have body language, his movies ran more equal and sometimes exeeded also with the movies of "BODY FITTED" actors. Before Kamal come to field,he was the only one, giving different kind of action, when he acted in double role and more. (did you ever watch 'Dheiva Magan... or Thiruvarutchelvar..?). But other "FAMOUS" actors will have just a small beard, to differenciate. Do you have GUTS to open your mouth against them..???.


#2 Very poor dancer


Who was the best dancer-hero in his period...?. If a dancer only can be a hero means, nobody will be evergreen hero except Nagesh and Chanadrabau, at that time. Are you ready to accept it..?.


#3 Wasn't a 'STYLE KING' like SS. Most of his roles revolved around acting, acting...and more acting! Became so monotonous and predictable.


Style...????. Hello, he is one and only actor in the world, who got and even getting claps for his stylish walk. "Nadippatharku mattumalla, nadappatharku kooda kaithattal vaangiya orE nadigan".

Can you point anyone like this...??.


#4 As an older man, he became somewhat obese. In spite of that, he didn't choose roles wisely, instead prefered dancing around with heroines half his age and size! It really was a blot on NT's illustrious career, people used to laugh at it. As an NT fan, I was hurt and embarassed. :oops:


Sir, do you know, he acted as father of 13 children in 'Motor Sundaram Pillai' including Kanchana and Jayalalitha as his daughters. At what age do you know?. At his age of THIRTY SEVEN. Even he acted as father of Sivakumar , Vijayakumar, Jaiganesh etc...etc.... He acted as grand father rolls in many films including "Bandham". You will surprise to know that, he acted as father for even S.S.Rajendran in 'Rangoon Radha'.

Any other actors 'in that period' did this..?.

Du you have GUTS to open your mouth against them..?.

Thank you for given us oppertunity to talk about the plus points of NT here.

joe
21st March 2007, 01:01 PM
Spl Thanks for unhappyboy who made many NT fans visit and post here. :D

sivank
21st March 2007, 05:14 PM
Well said Joe, thanks to Unhappyboy. I think Unhappyboy knows almost nothing from NTs films. Probably he has seen some films which came on his way and gives his expert commemt. Saradha Madams explanations were
more than enough for people who are new to NTs page. Idhu sulabamana sindu mudiyum velai. No doubt.

Saradha Madam do you remember the walking scene in Paar magale Paar where Muthuraman starts singing the song Aval Paranthu Ponaale.
The way how NT comes from the staircase is an
object lesson for every wouldbe like actor.

Unhappyboy I would suggest you to see more films from NT, sure some of them are not commercially very sucessful as other actors films but you can see the sincere work NT has done in each of his films

Rgds
Sivan

nerdy
21st March 2007, 09:00 PM
Nerdy and Smith: Dont go overboard with your arguments. By saying NT did not act in meaningful cinema after Tirisoolam is an one-sided argument. I will have to conclude that you are making an incomplete conclusion. The problem is that you are comparing NT's performance with his own. Of course, if you make this comparison, then I will admit that his movie in 80s were mediocre. But, if you make the comparison in general, then I will say until late 80s, he was beating the upcoming stars Rajini and Kamal. Some of NT's good post-tirisoolam movies:

1. keel vaanam sivakkum (Father-in-law character, with Saritha)
2. vaazhkai (with Ambika)
3. Theerppu (with Sujata)
4. Neethipathi (with KRV)
5. Vellai Roja (dual role, no heroine)
6. Sandhippu (dual role, with Sujata and Sridevi)
7. Saadhanai (no heroine)
8. Jallikattu (no heroine & role with Satya raj)
9. Parichaikku Nermatchu
10. Thaikku oru thalattu (after a long time, with Padmini)
11. Vasanthathil oor Naal (with Sripriya)

I am not including padikkathavan here; though NT's role and his performance were good, but it was mostly a Rajni movie.

Most of the above listed were hits to super-hits. Especially, movies such as theeruppu, neethipathi and sandhippu, were silver-jubilee hits. Again as Murali Srinivas said once, it is important to note that Theerppu and Needipathi were running at the same time in Madurai Cinepriya complex; i think both were made by the same producer, NT's friend K.Balaji. This shows that NT, though aged, was still ruling tamil cinema. So, I would advise the hubbers not to come to a conclusion that post-tirisoolam period was dud; it never was.

I am not a big fan of NT with young actesses during those days. But, if you are going to accuse NT on this point, then you should equally accuse other actors, including Makkal thilagam, Gemini, Rajini and Kamal. Either they acted with young actresses during those days or they are still acting. The coin should be flipped on both sides. So, stop accusing NT just for the sake of accusing.

Before commenting about NT, I would suggest the hubbers read about NT's history. This is more important because NT himself is tamil cinema history.

We welcome criticism about NT; but we expect it should be logical and meaningful.

TACINEMA

I never denied Shivaji is the greatest actor in the country. But My point is He wasted his 20 years of career by doing duds.

Most of the movies you listed are duds. It might have done very well in Box office. But if you compared these movies with the movies he acted before Thirisoolam, All are duds and damb squips.

After 1980' his best movies are only .Mudhal Mariyadhai and Devar magan.

He didn't act in good directors's movies after 1980 except MM and DM.

If he acted in Maniratnam,Mahendran, Kamal , Balumahendra 's direction, he would have done wonders in acting.

But we missed Greatest actor's acting performance in last 20 years

Murali Srinivas
21st March 2007, 09:24 PM
Dear Groucho,

I am watching all the posts and in fact was watching from the first post of this new entrant some 3,4 days ago. At that point of time no one had replied except Joe. But still I choose to ignore.

As you have been seeing me, it is no use in replying to such posts. If you remember, in my last post about movie viewing in theatre, I had specifically touched upon this.

We can broadly classify people who come out with over acting criticism into two categories.

1. A generation which had seen NT only thro' TV in bits and pieces and viewing it after many many years since the release.

These people are not aware what acting was or what cinema was during that period and sheer ignorance is making them talk like this.

2. This is the group of people with rather mischievous intentions who somehow or other will try to deride NT and their ulterior motives are different. They would rather sadistically make fun of NT.

So I always choose not to reply to both groups. Even recently when Gemini and SSR were unnecessarily dragged here, I avoided.

But as a blessing in disguise, this has brought out some good posts. Kumar had come out with well etched points and Thimiru had given a good account of Navarathiri. Thanks to both of them.
Kumar, hope to hear more from you in this thread.

Saradha, I don't need to say anything about her. She was as usual spot on and her reply was point blank. Joe had cited Thangapathakkam and Utthama Puthiran which again testifies what NT is capable of.

Nothing needs to be added except one thing I remember. When myself and my cousin used to discuss NT, he would always say this.

Any actor worth his salt should be judged by the way he conducts himself in a song sequence, whether he is actively participating or being a passive spectator (when the heroine or any other character sings). Compare any actor from any generation on this with NT and ask them not to do circus acts in the name of Dance
and you will find that not even a single actor can hold a candle against NT.

So friends, instead of replying to these posts (which are basically off the mark), let us concentrate on our NT.

Regards

thamiz
21st March 2007, 11:34 PM
Hopefully unhappyboy will become happybody by seeing all responses from NT fans.

Indeed! To be honest, I never quite expected it. :D But I wish that one poster could've posted in English, his tamil was too hard for me, anyway.

I'll refute these arguments later on, but in the meantime, I have more 'complaints' against the great NT. Hope ppl don't take this the wrong way, but there are some things about NT I can never understand.

#1 For an actor, physique is extremely important. Why was it NT, even whilst still young, couldn't maintain it properly? We can reconsider Karnan in this matter. You'd hardly expect Surya Putra Karna, master archer, to be overweight with a bubbly face.

An actor's job is not simply playing the role, but getting the body into correct shape in order to play that role. NT, I am sorry to say, failed in this. Remember Kamal changed his body weight, shape, and size in the same movie (alavandhan) to portray two different roles. That's dedication to acting, but NT failed in this regard.

#2 Very poor dancer

#3 Wasn't a 'STYLE KING' like SS. Most of his roles revolved around acting, acting...and more acting! Became so monotonous and predictable.

#4 As an older man, he became somewhat obese. In spite of that, he didn't choose roles wisely, instead prefered dancing around with heroines half his age and size! It really was a blot on NT's illustrious career, people used to laugh at it. As an NT fan, I was hurt and embarassed. :oops:

#5 Couldn't be subtle, like SS was in movies like Raghavendra.

#6 Too much ego made NT overshadow the character he was portraying. Contrast this with SS' stunning performance in RAGHAVENDRA, where he portrayed the saint as HE WAS, and not according to his whims and fancies. This made SS synonymous with Raghavendra, whereas NT's histrionics became more important than the character itself.

Again, I'd like to apologize if anyone's hurt. That's not my intention at all. I simply believing in calling a spade a spade.

Well, well, well, I am getting picture of Unhappyboy! :lol:

His only intetnion is annoy people who loves nadikar thilagam!

He would make anybody a better actor by blowing up the few -ve points of Shivaji!

has everyone learn to ignore him?

If not yet, DO IT now! :)

Nakeeran
22nd March 2007, 12:09 AM
There is no need to say now that NT is the greatest actor ever .

We are not going to see anyone in future on par with him.

Just one point here - Wonder why anything that is spoken even in a mild manner about the few shortcomings of NT is considered as BLASPHEMY ?

Did he talk anything UNHOLY ?

I am seeing here many NT fans posting their counter views in an emotional manner & challenge that poor guy Unhappyboy !

If you are all not happy with his view points, pl close out with a courtesy post . Instead, I am seeing most of you all denigrate him.
Give him a chance to vent his views .

This is my humble opinion

thamiz
22nd March 2007, 12:56 AM
Did he talk anything UNHOLY ?

That is the trick which you cnat understand. Just because one uses politically correct words, does not make the whole message as "HOLY"!


There is no need to say now that NT is the greatest actor ever .

We are not going to see anyone in future on par with him.

Just one point here - Wonder why anything that is spoken even in a mild manner about the few shortcomings of NT is considered as BLASPHEMY ?

I can demonstrate you by discussing some "actor you love most" movies in very mild manner as you are a fan of him! His acting capabilities and skills and who could have done better in that role and all can be nicely said using politically correct words.

But I guarantee you that you will understand what shivaji fans feel here and what YOU DONT GET here.

Moreover, you may have to lose your sleep for few nights!

Do you want me to :?: Let me know, nakkeeran! 8-)

The bottomline is, YOU are NOT in the boat of shivaji fans and so you cant understand the "venomus appraoch" and "ill-intention" of this hubber!

I hope you UNDERSTAND now! 8-)

Kumar
22nd March 2007, 03:38 AM
Welcome Kumar to NT thread :D

We wish to have more inputs and posts from you.

Thanks pa! I hope to visit this thread, and the forum more often. This thing call 'work' gets in the way very often..... :)
Thanks Murali, I hope to write more here too. Not too long ago, I borrowed Alaiyamani from a Brisbane library (that's right! A council library here is Australia has a NT movie in it's list!!). It was great seeing NT in is prime.

NOV
22nd March 2007, 05:45 AM
Any actor worth his salt should be judged by the way he conducts himself in a song sequence, whether he is actively participating or being a passive spectator (when the heroine or any other character sings). Compare any actor from any generation on this with NT and ask them not to do circus acts in the name of Dance
and you will find that not even a single actor can hold a candle against NT. Murali, bang on target! :thumbsup:

in fact, just observe NT in any scene when other characters are talking. even in the background, his character will be alive and involved. that's NT for you!

joe
22nd March 2007, 07:19 AM
Did he talk anything UNHOLY ?

Did we talk anything UNHOLY?


I am seeing here many NT fans posting their counter views in an emotional manner & challenge that poor guy Unhappyboy !

Ithai vida mild-a solla mudiyathu :) .Yes we challeged since he also challenged and we felt he challenged without having adequate knowledge about NT and his movies.

groucho070
22nd March 2007, 09:38 AM
The boy practically offered his head on the chopping board, and man, I'd love to use the chopper.

Otherwise, Nakeerar-sar, I was the culprit who used the word "blasphemous". I guess you misunderstood the context. To say NT's performance in Karnan was wrong, is like saying MGR's performance is wrong in Nadodi Manan.You can argue, but it's there, it has been accepted, awarded, recognised and so on...and here comes a hobo, man with opinion (I wish I had my old signature) says it's not right. My religion is movie, and I consider this blasphemous. Hope it's clear now.

But I shall listen to my hub guru - Murali-sar. Let's ignore the unhappy dude.

Let's move on....

With regards to Alaymani...I got one question, is it an original script? Because if so, it's bloody brilliant. Great character study. With very little make and a little help from lighting, NT managed to show variety of emotions, almost effortlessly.

Kumar, I look forward to your own review of that classic.

thamiz
22nd March 2007, 10:10 AM
With regards to Alaymani...I got one question, is it an original script? Because if so, it's bloody brilliant. Great character study. With very little make and a little help from lighting, NT managed to show variety of emotions, almost effortlessly.



I remember the scene,

* Ejamaan nadaiyai paarththaayaadaa? Raja nadai! (sevants' gossip)

After losing his "legs" he will call that servant and say, ejamaan nadaiya paarththiyA?

---------------------------------------------------

* That movie has a very strong story-line:

Infatuation and the heroine dumps her lover for what she thinks as "real love" which is so unconventional for a Tamil movie!

It is hard to judge SSR's stand. He has been betrayed by the heroine but it has been shown in such a way that there was nothing wrong in sarojathevi's decision since shivaji is a handicap and he needs someone to love more than SSR!

There is lot more to discuss in that movie for sure! :)

smith
22nd March 2007, 11:28 AM
actually, in aalayamani, it is sarojadevi's stand & not SSR's that is unacceptable. She is shown to have shown SSR deeply, but when she comes to serve sivaji, when during a particular moment when SSR tries getting close to her, she admonishes him. Later, SSR is simply shown getting married to vijayakumari when he had shown no interest whatsover towards her. Saraojadevi here does not even feel bad, instead she happily marries sivaji in the end.

Compromises have been made to suit sivaji, (the hero) nfor sure, but then this is the case with most films.

Since the discussion came up on aalayamani, I am posting it here.

saradhaa_sn
22nd March 2007, 11:39 AM
Just one point here - Wonder why anything that is spoken even in a mild manner about the few shortcomings of NT is considered as BLASPHEMY ?

Because his intention is to degrade NT's fame purposely. Do you agree his view about NT's performance in 'Karnan'?.

Did he talk anything UNHOLY ?

Unless 'un-holy' can he talk anything?. For that should we not to reply?.

I am seeing here many NT fans posting their counter views in an emotional manner & challenge that poor guy Unhappyboy !

We cant think him as a poor guy, who puposely making damages to NT's career. Some soft gentlemen, like Mr.Murali Srinivas can ignore him. But as a 'lady terrorist fan' Saradha will never keep quit. He should not think Shivaji fans are speechless and he can throw more mud here.

If you are all not happy with his view points, pl close out with a courtesy post . Instead, I am seeing most of you all denigrate him.

Now, who put him under gun-point?. We just replied for his posts, Thats all.

This is my humble opinion
Thambi Nakeeran, unnai paththi enakku theriyum. Indha akkAvai paththiyum unakku theriyum. Unakku pidiththa oru actor paththi nAn yEthO sonnathukku (akkAnnu kooda pArkkAmal) ennOdu fight pannunAyE, marandhuttiyA. IppO mattum nAnga summA irukkanaumnu yEn expect panrE?.

smith
22nd March 2007, 11:49 AM
Ok, guys, stop this fighting.

I will start one now. :-)

It has been said that NT used to get irritated if any of his directors ask for a retake?

Is that true?

There was an interesting incident related by the script writer of a sivaji-ranga rao starrer (I forget the name) where he plays a loyal servant to RR. It seems the writer got a call from the director at midnight telling him that they should go & see sivaji immediately.

Not knowing what had gone wrong, they rushed to his house. Sivaji sat there looking angry. Apparently when he had seen the rushes, somebody had commented " Sivajiya ranga raoa theriyadhu, it will be a close finish".

This angered sivaji & he questioned them. The director writer duo told him that ranga rao had to "die" in a few more scenes & that sivaji's role would be there all through & that there would be no problem. Seems thay had a tough time convincing him.

Surprising, since sivaji is one of those rare actors who does not chop other's roles.

groucho070
22nd March 2007, 11:55 AM
Must be Padikatha Methai.

But did that really happen? We all know Sivaji pushes others to work as hard or harder than him. Plus, he has no qualms in appearing in supporting or guest role. This story does not sound convincing. How often has other actors upstaged him, and it only made the movies stronger. Think of SV Suppiah in KOT. Or MRR in the Pa varisai films. If NT does not like other's upstaging him, he could have not have them in future films. But he is always in the company of these strong actors. Not a convincing story, mate.

saradhaa_sn
22nd March 2007, 12:09 PM
My point is He wasted his 20 years of career by doing duds.

Most of the movies you listed are duds. It might have done very well in Box office. But if you compared these movies with the movies he acted before Thirisoolam, All are duds and damb squips.

After 1980' his best movies are only .Mudhal Mariyadhai and Devar magan.

For an artist, who have done about 300 movies, how can you expect each and every movie should be milestone?. There are ups and downs for everyone, for which NT too not an exceptional.

If he acted in Maniratnam,Mahendran, Kamal , Balumahendra 's direction, he would have done wonders in acting.

I dont hink so.

Did you watch his movie "Ethiroli'?. It was directed by K.Balachander. It came under a peculier combination of Shivaji - K.Balachander - K.V.Mahadevan. Eventhough it was good movie it got failed.

Because it was NEITHER a Shivaji movie NOR a KB movie.

Thatswhy, when Sreedhar directed 'Urimaikural' and 'Meenava Nanban', he fully gone out from his own way and made them as full and full as MGR movie and got suceeded.

joe
22nd March 2007, 12:17 PM
If he acted in Maniratnam,Mahendran, Kamal , Balumahendra 's direction, he would have done wonders in acting.

Interestingly, all mentioned here,though never directed NT ,They have put NT in high esteem.

In Chevalie Function ,Manirathnam spoke "Ellorum Nadigar Thilagathukku ezunthu ninnu kai thattunga ..Neenga kai thatturathu Delhi-kku kekkanum"

I read a book written by Mahendran ,in which he wrote a chapter on NT ,he mentioned NT as 'Ulaga Athisayam'

Balumahendra said NT is our pokkisham and his performance in Devar Magan was incomparable.

Not need to say about Kamal . :)

Thirumaran
22nd March 2007, 12:29 PM
I dont hink so.

Did you watch his movie "Ethiroli'?. It was directed by K.Balachander. It came under a peculier combination of Shivaji - K.Balachander - K.V.Mahadevan. Eventhough it was good movie it got failed.

Because it was NEITHER a Shivaji movie NOR a KB movie.


Not necessarily this has to be the case all the time.

Muthal Mariyaathai..

It was mainly recognized as BR movie. But the performance of NT was top class (In my opinion it will come in Top 5) and the movie was a big hit too.

It depends on the script and how NT could have suited them during that age period.

saradhaa_sn
22nd March 2007, 12:50 PM
Ok, guys, stop this fighting.

I will start one now. :-)

It has been said that NT used to get irritated if any of his directors ask for a retake?

Is that true?

There was an interesting incident related by the script writer of a sivaji-ranga rao starrer (I forget the name) where he plays a loyal servant to RR. It seems the writer got a call from the director at midnight telling him that they should go & see sivaji immediately.

Not knowing what had gone wrong, they rushed to his house. Sivaji sat there looking angry. Apparently when he had seen the rushes, somebody had commented " Sivajiya ranga raoa theriyadhu, it will be a close finish".

This angered sivaji & he questioned them. The director writer duo told him that ranga rao had to "die" in a few more scenes & that sivaji's role would be there all through & that there would be no problem. Seems thay had a tough time convincing him.

Surprising, since sivaji is one of those rare actors who does not chop other's roles.
Many of this co-actors, actresses have said (even saying now) in their interviews, that Shivaji always encouraged the co-stars to perform well. Sometimes he will teach them how to act in some particular scenes. If he did not satisfied any scenes, he will ask the directors for onemore take.

During the shooting of ThiruvilaiyAdal 'Sokkanathan' and 'Dharumi' scene, he told Nagesh, "idhO pAru, idhu romba important scene, romba nallA nadikkanum".

After movie got ready and when watched the first print, he admired Nagesh with laughing "ada pAvi, indha scenela nAn irukkirathE theriyAmal pannittiyEdA".

Recently Nagesh told this in an interview, and he added "Shivaji ippadi pArAttiyathum, enakku Oscar award vAngina mAthiri irundhathu".]

smith
22nd March 2007, 01:08 PM
The incident I mentioned was told by the writer in a TV interview (it also appeared in a magazine).

Must be one of those rare occurences.

Otherwise we all know that he hardly resented sharing screen space with other artists.

There was one other interesting incident narrated by "paasamalar" producer's son. Apparently he got a phone call from sivaji's wife, who sounded worried. He rushed to sivaji's house. She told him that sivaji did not sleep properly the previous night & had left early that morning for the shoot. She wondered why he was like that.

This perosn told her not to worry, assured her that he will go to the studio, find out exactly what the matter & report to her.On reaching there, he found sivaji. He then told him about his wife's worry & enquired about the mater.

Sivaji told him that since bhimsingh, the director had told him that they would be shooting the climax the next day, he had prepared himself for it. The climax required him to give a haggard, tired look. To get that look, he had denied himself sleep the previous night in order to give a realistic shot.

The above incident shows the dedication of NT towards his profession.

This incident appeared in kungumam's magazine.

NOV
22nd March 2007, 01:20 PM
Sivaji sat there looking angry. Apparently when he had seen the rushes, somebody had commented " Sivajiya ranga raoa theriyadhu, it will be a close finish".

Seems thay had a tough time convincing him. :rotfl:

pls see Vaani Raani be4 you make a comment like this. :lol2:

joe
22nd March 2007, 01:38 PM
Saradha madam,
Not only here in this hub ,You can see in movies and TV programmes ,people use to make comedy or fun on NT movies or NT's famous scenes ,where as they never dare to do the same with some other actors ,they fear auto will be sent to their house.

People take NT and his fans for granted ,thinking that NT fans are APPAVIS .They don't know we follow our NT being taking critisism on right sense and never bulid up personal vengence.

but let them know ,since NT was not powerful politically ,doesn't mean his fans can be taken for granted .There is a huge huge fan following for NT till now.

Thirumaran
22nd March 2007, 01:39 PM
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joe
22nd March 2007, 01:47 PM
Thirumaran,
You must be a NT fan to understand how we feel when someone says "NT is not stylish" ..what next ? "NT's dialogue delivery and Tamil pronounciation is worst? :huh:

we have anaswerd all unhappyboy's questions in a proper way ..But Nakkeeran wanted to make a big fuss here as usual. :x

NOV
22nd March 2007, 01:58 PM
Joe, Thirumaran is perfectly right.

A request to all: Please STOP such degrading digressions.

joe
22nd March 2007, 02:01 PM
Joe, Thirumaran is perfectly right.


I never said anything about he is right or wrong .Inga Nakeeran varra varaikkum ellam nalla thaan poyittu irunthathu.

smith
22nd March 2007, 02:02 PM
Ok guys, relax.

I will relate another incident I read. This was written by veerayya, a production manger who ahs worked in many films. He wrote a series in tuqlaq.

Once when sivaji was shooting, he found that the heroine sowcar janaki had not come. On being told, she would not come, he cancelled the shooting in a huff & left. Sowcar came late & found to her dismay that sivaji had left. On being told the reason, she got angry & reminded the director that she has told him the previous day itself that she would be coming late.

Apparently the director had forgotten. Veerayya then says that when he went to the sets next day, he found both sivaji & sowcar shooting & chatting happily as though nothing had happened. This speaks volumes of their professionalism, he says.

Thirumaran
22nd March 2007, 02:04 PM
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joe
22nd March 2007, 02:14 PM
Thirumaran,

NT fans have answerd for all alegations and doubts raised here and I am sure fans of any other actor can't do better than this in replying.

If you continue not to understand or act as not understand the motivation of few hubbers here ,there is no point in arguing with you.

nerdy
22nd March 2007, 02:19 PM
For an artist, who have done about 300 movies, how can you expect each and every movie should be milestone?. There are ups and downs for everyone, for which NT too not an exceptional.

If he acted in Maniratnam,Mahendran, Kamal , Balumahendra 's direction, he would have done wonders in acting.

I dont hink so.
.

Yes ofcourse Everybody has it own ups and downs. His bad luck he didn't good movies in end of his career.

If he acted in Bollywood, they would have taken him to the higher Places than what he achieved. His badluck and our luck he acted in Tamil movies.


My feeling is, he deservered for many things apart from what he achieved. :(

Our State government and Central Government haven't honoured properly .

joe
22nd March 2007, 02:23 PM
For an artist, who have done about 300 movies, how can you expect each and every movie should be milestone?. There are ups and downs for everyone, for which NT too not an exceptional.

If he acted in Maniratnam,Mahendran, Kamal , Balumahendra 's direction, he would have done wonders in acting.

I dont hink so.
.

Yes ofcourse Everybody has it own ups and downs. His bad luck he didn't good movies in end of his career.

If he acted in Bollywood, they would have taken him to the higher Places than what he achieved. His badluck and our luck he acted in Tamil movies.


My feeling is, he deservered for many things apart from what he achieved. :(

Our State government and Central Government haven't honoured properly .

Agreed with You!

Thirumaran
22nd March 2007, 02:30 PM
Thirumaran,

NT fans have answerd for all alegations and doubts raised here and I am sure fans of any other actor can't do better than this in replying.

If you continue not to understand or act as not understand the motivation of few hubbers here ,there is no point in arguing with you.
JOE,
I did not say anything about the replies given here. They are extremely fine. I am only against few sentence which i quoted originally.

If i said anything wrong, my apologies.

smith
22nd March 2007, 02:47 PM
As I said earlier, sivaji should have sought out directors like balau mahendra, mani etc., & done meaningful roles.

As to why they did not do so, one can only presume that they were "afraid" to approach him. (if I may use that word).

I have a Q for sivaji fans (which I have already asked) & expect an honest reply.

Was he wary of retakes? if so, why?

joe
22nd March 2007, 02:56 PM
Was he wary of retakes? if so, why?

NO,as for as I know .From BharathiRaja to SA Chandrasekar many directors mentioned ,NT not only bother to retake ,but if he feels co-stars can do better in that scene ,he will ask the director "Innoru thadava edukalamappa?" ,then teach costars to make them perform better.

BharathiRaja mentioned "In muthal mariyathai ,I just asked NT to walk ,smile ,express just like that .He was surprised and after every shot he asked me "ennapa..sariya irukka?" .

NT is truely director's actor.

thimuru
22nd March 2007, 02:59 PM
Any actor worth his salt should be judged by the way he conducts himself in a song sequence, whether he is actively participating or being a passive spectator (when the heroine or any other character sings). Compare any actor from any generation on this with NT and ask them not to do circus acts in the name of Dance
and you will find that not even a single actor can hold a candle against NT. Murali, bang on target! :thumbsup:

in fact, just observe NT in any scene when other characters are talking. even in the background, his character will be alive and involved. that's NT for you!

i guess every actor does that...its basic :huh:

sankara1970
22nd March 2007, 03:41 PM
It requires lot of efforts and fitness and practice to reach the MT Everest

Lord Shiva resides in Himalayas

Sivaji is Imayam.

Kids like BR,BR and many others took time to reach Imayam-NT gave his hand and lifted them.

NT was never averse to act with new comers.

In fact, he encourages-Murali or Saradha madam can give more details-we can even discuss at length.

It requires guts to direct NT who is acting dictionary

Director Sigaram KB regards NT in high esteem and so others

Chinnappa Thevar has never done a film with NT. When asked, Thevar replied "I may call by names-but I can't do that to NT"

And again it is every director has his own style and it is their wish to cast artists. If an artist gets spl treatment or his part is hyped-it's the producer or director or people wish.

If something like that happens, people can understand and they will immedately reject it.

It's in NT films that most of the leading stars acted together-Many of the films either projected importance for women or friendship or brotherhood-

If in any of the films if someone feels NT's part was overshadowed-then it is his talent-It is here succeeded-that is why we call him NT

In Parasakthi, NT's first film, it had Sahasranamam, SSR, Pandaribhai,VKR and many others-why people are talking about NT and MK still?-

In Navarathri, NT and Savithri are the leading artists-NT had nine roles-Savithri equally dominates or story revolves aroung her.

In Pasamalar, it is both NT and Savithri again

In Thillana Mohanambal, they name itself female oriented

Ultimately, it depends on the artist who gives life to the role

Many more to come...................

smith
22nd March 2007, 04:04 PM
Thevar did not work with NT simply bcos he was in the MGR camp. There were 2 camps - Sivaji & MGR camps (which is an open secret).

KB's only film with sivaji - ethiroli flopped & hence he did not work again. bharathiraja requested sivaji not to act fearing that it may be lead to theatrics.

Parasakthi had talented actors, agreed but sivaji was the hero in it.

saradhaa_sn
22nd March 2007, 04:53 PM
Are we expecting this thread to fill another several pages without any useful discussions other than fighting.

Thirumaran....

When this thread was going smooth, the hardness was started by Unhappyboy only by commenting with OLD (puLiththuppOna) matter of "OVER ACTING" that too about his roll in Karnan, for that we have been pushed to reply for him.

The intension of everybody is also the meaningful discussions and not filling the pages.

(But these kind of diversions (or digressions) are purposely created in NT's thread in equal intervels)

I stand on my opinion that the comments made by Saradha are irresponsible and then what is the difference? Why should we say only the SOMEBODY as spoilers. Then these kind of posts are also spoilers and should be avoided.

Thirumaran....

Please dont say all my comments are irresponsible (which nobody here will accept). I gave suitable replies and explanations for the blames made by Unhappyboy and others. The last portion of my previous post (which you mentioned) may be unwanted, and I will delete them from my post.

I hope you will accept.

Thirumaran
22nd March 2007, 05:24 PM
Thirumaran....

1. The intension of everybody is also the meaningful discussions and not filling the pages.

2. Please dont say all my comments are irresponsible (which nobody here will accept). I gave suitable replies and explanations for the blames made by Unhappyboy and others. The last portion of my previous post (which you mentioned) may be unwanted, and I will delete them from my post.
I hope you will accept.

Hi Saradhaa,
1. Probably, what u say could be true and we are aware of these kind of posts. What we assume may go wrong also. So sometimes we need to wait and see to come to a final conclusion about those posts in order to take appropriate action.

2. I was just not comfortable only with the parts which u had deleted. Rest is absolutely fine. Sorry for not clear about it. Thanks a lot for the understanding and deleting those parts :)

sivank
22nd March 2007, 07:16 PM
[tscii:113ca89690]I have a very humble request. Most of us are Theevira NT fans. Can´t we simply ignore people who tries to disturb the forum by bringing unnecessary discussions.

I made my point twice regarding Unhappyboy. I
was sad the way how the discussions went on. I kept my distance. IMHO some things can and should be avoided just because of the previous experience with some hubbers.

I would be happy if we could continue talking about NT. Maybe Saradha Madam, Murali Sir, Groucho, Joe to name a few could start a sort of Movie of the week from NT where we could go over the acting of NT inch by inch.

As I mentioned earlier it is my requestand I will be happy if it happens.

Rgds
Sivan[/tscii:113ca89690]

thamiz
22nd March 2007, 08:02 PM
Thambi Nakeeran, unnai paththi enakku theriyum. Indha akkAvai paththiyum unakku theriyum. Unakku pidiththa oru actor paththi nAn yEthO sonnathukku (akkAnnu kooda pArkkAmal) ennOdu fight pannunAyE, marandhuttiyA. IppO mattum nAnga summA irukkanaumnu yEn expect panrE?.

I can imagine wht would have been his reaction and who the actor is. 8-)

Well, what can I say? :roll:

You have said it clearly, s_s! :)

thamiz
22nd March 2007, 08:04 PM
[ I hope you will accept.

Let us get back to NT!:)

thamiz
22nd March 2007, 08:09 PM
[tscii:7b7f38c519]I have a very humble request. Most of us are Theevira NT fans. Can´t we simply ignore people who tries to disturb the forum by bringing unnecessary discussions.
Rgds
Sivan[/tscii:7b7f38c519]

See, it is hard to ignore completely when a person is telling everything and BSing that "I am sorry if I hurt anybody" .

When you have said everything Why the hell be/she needs to say "BS"?

That is not an "apology" and that is for "covering his neck" and pretedning to be so innocent after pouring alll the venom! 8-)

Jabroni
22nd March 2007, 08:10 PM
unhappyboy

the last day has been marked by a glut of comments flying back and forth between the two parties

your criticism is fair but it is too hard for sivaji fanatics to take.

my grouse is that whenver sivaji portrays a role, it is clearly visible that it is just 'acting.' there are actors who can sink completely in to a role and, on the screen, show not even a single sign of the actual person he really is.

the fun here is the emotional drama played by sivaji fans :lol:

you can go on about quoting bharathiraja, mahendran etc, but we have to ask them how biased they are towards sivaji.

something doesn't become great because an authority confirms it.

Nakeeran
22nd March 2007, 08:11 PM
Thambi Nakeeran, unnai paththi enakku theriyum. Indha akkAvai paththiyum unakku theriyum. Unakku pidiththa oru actor paththi nAn yEthO sonnathukku (akkAnnu kooda pArkkAmal) ennOdu fight pannunAyE, marandhuttiyA. IppO mattum nAnga summA irukkanaumnu yEn expect panrE?.

I can imagine wht would have been his reaction and who the actor is. 8-)

Well, what can I say? :roll:

You have said it clearly, s_s! :)

Digression :

Ayya Thamiz avargale

My objection / request was simple - Not to drag my hero's name in a thread which belongs to another Actor ( NT ) .When this thread is dedicated for NT, why the needless pulling down of another actor ?
All are welcome to talk on any aspect relating to my thalaivar in his thread.
Vataaa :D

nerdy
22nd March 2007, 08:13 PM
Dear NT Fans

I would appreciate, if any one you post the review of Mudhal mariyadhai and Gowravam. :D

Nakeeran
22nd March 2007, 08:15 PM
Nerdy

For Gowravam, ref to the previous thread

Nakeeran
22nd March 2007, 08:20 PM
Jabroni

Barathiraja did a wonderful movie with Shivaji.

I think Mahendran wrote story for Rishimoolam / Thangapadhakkam. Not sure but

See, the directors like BR, Mahendran, Balumahendra- all followed a new trend , that of lesser dialogues & more of visuals.
This might be one factor which could have gone against NT.
but he proved his class that in Mudhal mariyadhai that even with few dialogues, he can display the same old class !

thamiz
22nd March 2007, 08:22 PM
All are welcome to talk on any aspect relating to my thalaivar in his thread.

You really dont know what you are asking for! :lol:


Vataaa :D

Bye! Have a nice day! :wave:

tacinema
23rd March 2007, 10:31 AM
I am not sure what triggered the hubber Unhappyboy to initiate this mud-slinging? NT is history and many of his characters have become immortal. The very fact that people, after over 40 years (in case of Karnan), are still criticizing NT's character shows the huge impact that he has made. Undoubtedly, NT was a great and an incomparable actor in Tamil cinema history. He was the only one who virtually ruled tamil cinema for 35 years since his debut. This impressive feat was unheard in tamil cinema, not even by other legend MGR, who had some ups and downs in his film career. Remember his first movie Parasakthi, in which NT delivered a mind boggling performance with a great emphasis on dialogue delivery. The movie changed the history of tamil cinema and he became super star in an overnight. I would like to ask the hubbers that is there any other tamil actor who achieved this stardom in the first movie itself? My second point: NT was very consistent in his delivery: both in quality and commercialism. In my understanding, I think no director had the guts to tell NT about acting or give him direction on acting. Due to his abundant talent and phenomenal success, NT single handedly developed his own lexicon: he set the standards for acting, for style and for mannerism. He was so powerful and forceful that all directors accepted his theory and why did they accept it: because NT delivered. Movies ran and the producers minted the money. More importantly, people accepted the way: NT's way. Your saying that NT did not become synonymous with characters and comparing with SS is laughable. Even Rajini fans wont agree with you on this argument.

Unhappyboy's points such as physique, style, dancing and subtlety do not carry any bearing in NT's history. BTW, who sets the standard for actors physique? Talking about style and subtlety: have you seen deiva magan? have you watched paasamalar, where NT conversing with GG during the factory strike part? have you seen andha naal? have you seen his cigarette smoking style? I believe you are trying to pollute the history by using directionless and useless arguments. As I said above, NT is history and you cannot change it. NT made sure that every actor has to follow him in style, including Super star.

NT too had few shortcomings - notably action and dancing. In those days, I believe, dancing was not a necessary part for actors. Actors like NT, MT,GG, Jai did not dance during song sequence and it was only heroine who did that part. Notably, it was Kamal who introduced dancing in song sequences. So, again, your view on NT dancing falls apart.

Coming to jabroni: It is again people blabber without watching NT movies. Yes, most of NT movies carry histornics. His success lies in the fact that he had shown you the characters on your own eyes. You think about VPKattabomman, you think about NT; think about Lord Shiva, again think about NT and this list can go on and on. I can also produce a list (NT sinking into a role) that you are looking for: For theatrical paasamalar, you have got a beautiful paalum pazhamum; for theatrical paar magale paar, you have got sensational paarthal pasi theerum/baagapirivinai; for theatrical thiruvilaiyadal, you have got a beautiful saraswathy sabatham and so on. So, I would suggest you not utter about "natural" acting without watching these movies. Additionally, you say that there are actors who can sink completely into a role: I wonder who is that actor in tamil cinema?

People quote that NT missed good directors such as Bharathiraja, KB, Balu Mahendra, Maniratnam, mahendran etc. BR should be excluded from this list. KB made a movie with NT and I believe their wavelengths did not match and so they stopped; moreover, KB was not a consistent guaranteed director. Though Mahendran never directed NT, but his story was utilized in Thangapathakkam. MR, I am not sure; Balu Mahendra might have done wonders with NT. But, it is important to note here that NT acted consistently with some of the most talented tamil movie directors in his time: Bhim Singh, AP Nagarajan, Sridhar, etc. Again, Tamil cinema has not yet produced great directors, some one like Adoor gopalakrishnan. NT + director of Adoor calibre would have been a real treat.

So, before posting anything about NT, I would suggest hubbers read history and then criticize the great man. Being a public figure, NT is entitled to invite criticisms, but the criticisms should be logical and be truthful.

Finally, I remember the saying: It is very hard to be loved by everyone. How true it is! You always have got sporadic incidents.

smith
23rd March 2007, 10:58 AM
I think TAcinema has piut it across very well. But as I said earlier, directors were afraid ask NT for a retake since his films were loved, accepted & ran well. So, everyone was happy. It used to be said that only Bheemsingh had the guts to ask NT for a retake. He used to put it like "Annae, Unga levelukku ithu romba sadharanam...kind of words & gently get a remake. Also, he happened to be one of sivaji's pet directors.

As for dancing, he was not awkward. he could manage. However, his cjhoice of fdilms after his 200th film - tirisollam was depressing. Of cours, there was "keezhvanam sivakkum, mudhal mariyadhai, thevar magan etc., but theses were far & few in between. It was ridciculoust to see dacncing alongside jayamalini in nam iruvar.

he sould have started acting his age & not romanced around with heroines like sridevi, sripriya which cast a slur on an otherwise illustious career.

thimuru
23rd March 2007, 11:14 AM
tacinema had brilliantly ignored subtlety part... :D

devotee
23rd March 2007, 11:33 AM
the fun here is the emotional drama played by sivaji fans :lol:


Whether or not NT overacted, his fans certainly are overacting now. 8-) I wonder why.


NOTE:

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devotee
23rd March 2007, 11:47 AM
he sould have started acting his age & not romanced around with heroines like sridevi, sripriya which cast a slur on an otherwise illustious career.

Exactly! It was his inflated ego that prevented him from staying away from such roles. Imagine NT dancing around with heroines half his age and size. :oops: Like many NT fans, I was hurt and embarassed by this. Why didn't he do roles in tune with his age, experience, and talent?

Did he lack discretion? Couldn't he choose proper roles? No, it was his ego which made him think he was immortal, ever young and good-looking, and that he could do as he pleased and the public would watch anything.

Alas! if someone points this out, they're called names and abused as trolls.

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thimuru
23rd March 2007, 11:51 AM
Why does ur account become inactive...?

all mods r NT fans...is that areason?

devotee
23rd March 2007, 12:02 PM
Just one point here - Wonder why anything that is spoken even in a mild manner about the few shortcomings of NT is considered as BLASPHEMY ?

Because his intention is to degrade NT's fame purposely. Do you agree his view about NT's performance in 'Karnan'?.


I assure you, that's not my intent. I am an NT fan myself. But it's a fact that he was too loud, when there was no necessity, not only in Karnan but in Tiruvilayadal. Such loud voice and expressive face may be alright in a movie like Gauravam, where he plays a normal human being with lots of feelings, regrets, desires etc. But it's NOT suitable whilst playing the role of Lord Shiva. Portraying a devata like a human being may be considered blasphemy by most people.

Someone here-maybe, Sankar-said even Lord Krishna was human being. But the very next line, he equates NT with God! :lol: Absolutely amazing! And yet, I am the one being accused of blasphemy! :shock: Anyhow, NT's main problem was his loud voice which was totally unnecessary in certain circumstances. He could've done better with a soft voice, but perhaps, his desire to be the center of attention was the reason for that.

thimuru
23rd March 2007, 12:06 PM
Just one point here - Wonder why anything that is spoken even in a mild manner about the few shortcomings of NT is considered as BLASPHEMY ?

Because his intention is to degrade NT's fame purposely. Do you agree his view about NT's performance in 'Karnan'?.


I assure you, that's not my intent. I am an NT fan myself. But it's a fact that he was too loud, when there was no necessity, not only in Karnan but in Tiruvilayadal. Such loud voice and expressive face may be alright in a movie like Gauravam, where he plays a normal human being with lots of feelings, regrets, desires etc. But it's NOT suitable whilst playing the role of Lord Shiva. Portraying a devata like a human being may be considered blasphemy by most people.

Someone here-maybe, Sankar-said even Lord Krishna was human being. But the very next line, he equates NT with God! :lol: Absolutely amazing! And yet, I am the one being accused of blasphemy! :shock: Anyhow, NT's main problem was his loud voice which was totally unnecessary in certain circumstances. He could've done better with a soft voice, but perhaps, his desire to be the center of attention was the reason for that.

:D

smith
23rd March 2007, 12:14 PM
Lord Shiva is not perceived as a "SOFT GOD" & hence that may be the reason for NT to act that way.

But yes, his screaming could have avoided in a few films, specially gauravam, unnakaga naan etc.,

But at the same tine, U cannot expect him to be soft for Veerapandiya Kattabomman. :-)

joe
23rd March 2007, 12:28 PM
Talent, charisma and much more

In the history of cinema, no other actor has played such an incredible variety of roles. But initially all was not hunky-dory for Sivaji Ganesan, says RANDOR GUY, in aninteresting recollection.

SIVAJI GANESAN (ORIGINAL name, Villupuram Chinnaiya Ganeshamurthy), the mighty oak of Tamil movies, has returned to his roots in Mother Earth. The great screen presence, that inimitable voice capable of reflecting and registering even the minutest change of hue and colour in the spectrum of human emotions, the indefinable factor, charisma and more, that elevated a mere V. C. Ganesan to Sivaji Ganesan, can now only be seen and heard in the rich legacy of the 300 plus movies he has left behind.

He had played an incredible variety of roles in his long career - thief, king, cult figures, historical characters, rebel, playboy, labour leader, mythological figures, religious personalities, selfish man, unselfish head of the family... you name it and he has played that role to perfection!

Indeed in the history of cinema no other actor has played such wide and winsome range of roles. And he was never typecast for a particular role like most stars of today. Excepting perhaps for the stunts-oriented action roles, he felt at home in every role!

Even though he woke up one fine morning, like Lord Byron, and found himself famous with ``Parasakthi'' (1952), he had his first dip in the waters of cinema earlier in ``Nirabaradhi''(1951). Made in Telugu and Tamil by the sadly forgotten pioneer, the Grand Old Man of South Indian cinema, H. M. Reddi, it had Mukkammala Krishnamurthy as the hero, in both versions. As he could not speak Tamil, Reddi looked round for suitable voice to dub the dialogue for the hero, and he found a young struggling stage actor named V. C. Ganesan! The voice-lender received a princely sum of five hundred rupees!

Even in ``Parasakthi'' some had doubts if he were the right choice. Indeed shooting was stopped for some time and better actors were considered to replace the new man. But the main man of the project, P. A. Perumal (known as PAP among his pals), stood firmly like a mighty rock refusing to replace his first choice. The rest, as the cliche goes, is history. No wonder Sivaji Ganesan revered P. A. Perumal as his God on earth.

When ``Parasakthi'' was undergoing its birth pangs, another film, ``Poonkothai'' faced similar problems. Indeed in this film Sivaji Ganesan played the supporting role (known as second hero in the local filmland lingo) with the Telugu film star, A. Nageswara Rao as hero. Interestingly in the initial ads promoting the film his name appeared as V. C. Ganesan and not as Sivaji Ganesan!


Stardom did not come to him on a silver platter even after ``Parasakthi'' as many are inclined to think today. In the early 1950s he had to struggle, for some of his films did not fare well at the box-office. ``Andha Naal''(1954) the first song-dance less Tamil film, in which he played the then not so popular anti-hero, won him high praise but the film did not do well money-wise. Very few are aware that Sivaji Ganesan was the third actor to play the role. The film was begun with S. V. Sahasranamam cast in the lead role and as he was thought to be rather old he was replaced by that fine actor, Calcutta N. Viswanathan who was then knocking on the doors of Tamil cinema with no success. (Later he did act in Tamil films and played many character roles brilliantly.) For some reason he too was removed, and entered Sivaji Ganesan with bells on.

Who inspired Sivaji Ganesan as his role model in his career? While he created his roles with his own genius and observation of real life persons, he did draw inspiration from that actor's actor and the brilliant Hollywood superstar, Spencer Tracy. Observant visitors to his Shanthi theatre on Anna Salai, in Chennai, would have noticed above the entrance to the balcony class a photo showing him and Spencer Tracy. It was taken in Hollywood, when he visited it in the early 1960s. (During a chat some years ago, he told this writer about his adoration for Spencer Tracy. ``I took ideas from his style of walking to form my own style!'' he said.)

Did Sivaji Ganesan overact as remarked by many? The answer is yes and no! His background was Tamil theatre. In theatre one has to be loud - gestures, voice, emotions, and all. Consequently he could not escape such legacy. The other telling reason is the Tamil cinema of that day - its producers, directors and writers. They took advantage of his incredible memory, talent and skill to speak reams of jaw-breaking alliterative, high-flown Tamil dialogue in a single take of the shot. And they found gold in it! In every other film of his they introduced historical and other plays, or scenes specially written for him. It was a kind of exploitation! Ashoka the Great, Akbar, Othello (both in Tamil and English! ) Cheran Senguttuvan.. and many more, he did them all. Sivaji Ganesan, the great actor may be gone but his films shall live forever.

As somebody remarked a movie actor never dies for he shall always live in his movies. So will Sivaji Ganesan.

http://www.hinduonnet.com/2001/07/27/stories/09270225.htm

groucho070
23rd March 2007, 12:29 PM
Anyhow, NT's main problem was his loud voice which was totally unnecessary in certain circumstances.

I don't want to refute you or drag you to another argument. But I want to talk about one of NT's strength, which you highlighted as a weakness. Interesting point for discussion.

NT's voice is definitely the best gift any actor can get. You can write few chapters on the use of NT's voice. Acting schools should take note and dedicate a lesson just on the use of voice.

If his character commands attention (in a court, amidst few people, confronting others) he uses his voice loud enough to break through the fourth wall and pull us in. You can't express anger in soft voice, unless its a small self-doubting moment.

I would rate his majestic voice first, then his majestic walk. It's wonderful to just watch him make use of his voice to add to his character. A brilliant showcase would be Navarathiri. All these while, you have just seen the overall acting. Now, pay attention to his use of voice. The nasal quality in the rich man. The fiery roar of the murderer. The gentle purr of the doctor. The vocal break of the sad lover. The assured sharpness of the hunter, you can just go on and on...

Or, take Deiva Magan for instance. The father uses loud voice when he is agitated, when he loses patience with his son. But watch him when he is in moments of doubt and regret. Watch him moving from a roaring lion to a wounded one, when he is confronting Major at the beginning. And then, of course, the youngest son, his effeminate voice, childish, very, very harmless....

Those are multiple characters. What about single character? Examples vary. As we all know, his characters are three dimensional. Which means they respond to the situation, the environment and to the people around him. Take Puthiya Paravai. Listen to him when he is romancing or when he is confronting MRR. I hate bringing current actors in, but they will really benefit if they can pick it up. Because my biggest problem with current crop is the use of voice. I am not putting anyone down...I am just saying that if some of the promising ones can work on their voice, they will gain greater respect from many more fans.

And all they have to do is learn from NT. Simple.

groucho070
23rd March 2007, 12:35 PM
Joe, great article.

I didn't know about Nirabaradhi dubbing. That's news.

And Spencer Tracy is a hell of an actor. I wonder if we can the pix of him and Tracy. Another eye opener...

joe
23rd March 2007, 01:25 PM
Versatility of Sivaji Ganesan...
Whenever I watch many of Sivaji ganesan's movies of 60's. one thing that come into my mind earlier is "man, what an overacting!"....But those finer points/nuances of acting which differentiated versatility of Sivaji - his body langauge, facial expressions etc etc, I realised recently.

Not through one of his movies, but through a movie awards function.

A seasoned actor like Prakashraj was dancing for "Engay Nimmadhi" song of "Puthiya Paravai"...he did his best, but those subtle yet profound body movements , the powerful expressions through his eyes, twitch of lips/facial muscle of a man in absolute stress was missing. No discredits to Prakashraj. But it just dawned on me the versatility of Sivaji Ganesan.

It was so apparent that the "engay nimmadhi" song depicted exactly of a person who has lost his nimmadhi (sense of peace). He simply brought lease of life to the lyrics of that song. I could realise how tough it was, even for a seasoned professional like Prakash raj

Post this programme, I saw a couple of Sivaji Ganesan movies merely out of curiosity.


a humorous movie where he acted with MR Radha, his face would show complete "asattuthanam" [the one that has two sivaji, two mr radha]
"tiruvilaiyadal" - the careless gambeeram - his face, his walk, his dialogue delivery - as Sivaperumaan - the creator
Absolutely stressed in "Puthiya paravai"
I am hooked onto Sivaji Ganesan's movies from a very new perspective now....

http://ahambaavam.blogspot.com/2007/02/versatility-of-sivaji-ganesan.html

smith
23rd March 2007, 02:05 PM
the assathuthanam was in the film Bale Pandya - Sivaji played 3 roles (not 2) & MRR played 2.

In that film, there is a scene where he punches balaji repeatedly while mouthing the dialogues. Really hilarious.

groucho070
23rd March 2007, 03:58 PM
the assathuthanam was in the film Bale Pandya - Sivaji played 3 roles (not 2) & MRR played 2.

In that film, there is a scene where he punches balaji repeatedly while mouthing the dialogues. Really hilarious.

Smith, you can go on and on talking this film. This is one movie where, even with 3 NTs, MRR managed to sneak in and steal the show. Brilliant chemistry both of them. The Neeyee Enakku song scene still crack me up.

I saw the Enggey Nimmathi dance mentioned. I was happy that Prakashraj was chosen for it - he's a good character actor - but you can see how tough it is to do that. I mean, that is stage and you have all the license to overact your heart out. Still, it's not mean feat. Overacting is an art. It should be done beautifully and with strong aesthetic sense. NT got it. If you turn to Hollywood, you'd still see superb actors like Pacino overacting their pants off and still coming off beautifully. It's not easy.

devotee
23rd March 2007, 04:53 PM
I would like to ask the hubbers that is there any other tamil actor who achieved this stardom in the first movie itself?

SS!

Besides, NT was stylish when young, but as he got older, his style became more and more comical. For instance, his gait was majestic, agreed. But the same walk became funny in 1970s and 80s, meaning it wasn't evergreen. But there's one actor whose unique style is appreciated and adored at all times.

thimuru
23rd March 2007, 05:12 PM
Anyhow, NT's main problem was his loud voice which was totally unnecessary in certain circumstances.

I don't want to refute you or drag you to another argument. But I want to talk about one of NT's strength, which you highlighted as a weakness. Interesting point for discussion.

NT's voice is definitely the best gift any actor can get. You can write few chapters on the use of NT's voice. Acting schools should take note and dedicate a lesson just on the use of voice.

If his character commands attention (in a court, amidst few people, confronting others) he uses his voice loud enough to break through the fourth wall and pull us in. You can't express anger in soft voice, unless its a small self-doubting moment.

I would rate his majestic voice first, then his majestic walk. It's wonderful to just watch him make use of his voice to add to his character. A brilliant showcase would be Navarathiri. All these while, you have just seen the overall acting. Now, pay attention to his use of voice. The nasal quality in the rich man. The fiery roar of the murderer. The gentle purr of the doctor. The vocal break of the sad lover. The assured sharpness of the hunter, you can just go on and on...

Or, take Deiva Magan for instance. The father uses loud voice when he is agitated, when he loses patience with his son. But watch him when he is in moments of doubt and regret. Watch him moving from a roaring lion to a wounded one, when he is confronting Major at the beginning. And then, of course, the youngest son, his effeminate voice, childish, very, very harmless....

Those are multiple characters. What about single character? Examples vary. As we all know, his characters are three dimensional. Which means they respond to the situation, the environment and to the people around him. Take Puthiya Paravai. Listen to him when he is romancing or when he is confronting MRR. I hate bringing current actors in, but they will really benefit if they can pick it up. Because my biggest problem with current crop is the use of voice. I am not putting anyone down...I am just saying that if some of the promising ones can work on their voice, they will gain greater respect from many more fans.

And all they have to do is learn from NT. Simple.

voice modulation

in devar mahan

"ungala thana nambanum...vera yar iruka nambaradhukku"

"cancel cancel...ticket cancel"

"avuga oram vanga pogala soram vanga poyirukaga"

"indha ipdinbaingale ....andha velaya kodu"

"apelam nee chinna paya...unaku onnum theriyadhu...lpeyama iruanum"

"panchayathada idhu panchayathe ilada"

perfect :thumbsup:

thimuru
23rd March 2007, 05:15 PM
I would like to ask the hubbers that is there any other tamil actor who achieved this stardom in the first movie itself?

SS!

Besides, NT was stylish when young, but as he got older, his style became more and more comical. For instance, his gait was majestic, agreed. But the same walk became funny in 1970s and 80s, meaning it wasn't evergreen. But there's one actor whose unique style is appreciated and adored at all times.


whos that

thamiz
23rd March 2007, 08:29 PM
I assure you, that's not my intent. I am an NT fan myself. But it's a fact that he was too loud, when there was no necessity, not only in Karnan but in Tiruvilayadal.

I find that loud is fine and I beleive it should be loud!


Such loud voice and expressive face may be alright in a movie like Gauravam, where he plays a normal human being with lots of feelings, regrets, desires etc.

Who says what you think is right, anyway?

And who cares what you think as right voice?

GO, remake and one movie or bothe karnana and thiruviLayaadal with Rajniknath or KH and show me they could do better OR keep quiet!

And STOP the BS of you being a shiavji fan. Nobody cares!

thamiz
23rd March 2007, 08:41 PM
Besides, NT was stylish when young, but as he got older, his style became more and more comical.

You better STOP this NONSENSE!



But the same walk became funny in 1970s .

He was tylish in vasantha maaLigai, Raja, even in avanthaan manidhan! Those came in seventies.

STOP this nonsense!

Hey DEvotee, get the hell out of here before I count 1- 10! 8-)

thamiz
23rd March 2007, 08:59 PM
But there's one actor whose unique style is appreciated and adored at all times.
whos that

I think thiruviLaiyaadaL iRaiyanaar rajini or kanan Kh will look stylish and with correct voice :lol:

But, who will watch them but the devotee??? :lol:

thimuru:

Who knows!

All he wants is to cause trouble by coming as new "devotee"! :lol:

Murali Srinivas
23rd March 2007, 09:29 PM
Dear Saradhaa/Groucho/Tamizh and all,

When I wrote about ignoring the comments made against NT, I mentioned about two categories .Now you know to which category the new entrant belongs.

As Saradhaa had pointed out, when the going is smooth and racy in this thread, these provacations would start and when we retort, we would be accused. Then some people (who otherwise will not even say a hai here) would descend on this thread and as Tamizh pointed out would use "politically correct words" and ask NT fans why you people are becoming emotional? why you cannot tolerate so on. Anybody who reads this would think that the fault is on NT fans and the people who indulged in mischief monging in the first place would become "Martyrs" and will go scot free. The happenings in the last one year is testimony to this.

Even if you give the slightest importance to these posts, it would still descend to abysmal depths. Just as Joe pointed out, first it was NT not being stylish and now the voice is not good and what next they only know. Wonder why this is not attempted in other actors' thread. Still it is better to ignore and proceed with NT.

Regards

thamiz
23rd March 2007, 09:43 PM
Folks, here is a" true confession" and if you have overlooked, better know we are dealing with same individual! :)



NOTE:
I am unhappyboy, forced to use my friend's id, cuz mine has become inactive.