Hogenakkal water project issue

[Billgates]

Tamil Nadu Chief Minister M. Karunanidhi laid the foundation stone for a drinking water project at the Hogenakkal waterfall to be constructed with Rs.11.4 million in aid from the Japan Bank for International Cooperation (JBIC).

The waterfall, which attracts thousands of tourists every year, will be upgraded to a drinking water project for two western districts of Tamil Nadu and supply water to three million people.

The project, the Hogenakkal Water Supply and Fluorosis Mitigation Project, is located about 450 km south-west of Chennai. people.It is expected to cover 6,755 households in three municipalities, 17 panchayats and 18 town panchayats, benefiting three million
The 20-metres tall waterfall is from a tributary of the Cauvery river, about 250 metres above sea level.

Hogenakkal is considered a sacred bathing place as the water is said to have healing properties.

Safe drinking water would be provided from the waterfall to the fluoride-affected towns and villages in Dharmapuri and Krishnagiri districts, bordering Karnataka, at a total cost of Rs.13.3 billion.

The JBIC loan would be at an interest of 1.25 percent. The deal was finalised by Karunanidhi's son and Local Administration Minister M.K. Stalin during a visit to Japan last week.

The drinking water scheme was first mooted in 1965, with the idea of bringing piped drinking water from Hogenakkal to Chennai.

[Billgates]

Tension prevailed here Sunday following a visit by a team of Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) parliamentarians who were objecting to a Tamil Nadu drinking water project for the region.

Former Karnataka chief minister B.S. Yeddyurappa led the BJP protestors.

Leaders from the Karnataka BJP alleged that the Tamil Nadu government, with the 'tacit support of the UPA government at the Centre' has begun building 'illegally' a dam across the river Cauvery near Hogenakkal on the Karnataka-Tamil Nadu border.

Expecting trouble from Karnataka Sunday, the Tamil Nadu government rushed a large contingent of police personnel to the border to ensure safety, especially of tourists and inter-state travellers.

The BJP parliamentarians have also claimed that a 400-acre island at the point where the river Cauvery enters Tamil Nadu to form the picturesque Hogenakkal waterfall is part of their state.

The waterfall is located about 450 km west of Chennai, in the region bordering Karnataka and attracts thousands of tourists every year.

Tamil Nadu Chief Minister M. Karunanidhi Feb 26 laid the foundation stone for a drinking water project at Hogenakkal, to be constructed with an aid of Rs.11.4 million from the Japan Bank for International Cooperation (JBIC).

The Hogenakkal Water Supply and Fluorosis Mitigation Project is expected to cover 6,755 households in three municipal areas, 17 panchayats and 18 town panchayats, benefiting about three million people.

Safe drinking water would be provided from the waterfall to the fluoride-affected towns and villages in Dharmapuri and Krishnagiri districts, bordering Karnataka, at a total cost of Rs.13.3 billion. The Tamil Nadu government will bear the rest of the cost.

The Karnataka leaders have accused the Tamil Nadu government of 'giving scant respect to the Cauvery water sharing dispute, still pending before the Supreme Court, and going ahead with the project'.

Pro-Kannada organisations, Chamarajanagara Zilla Horata Samithi and Hogenakkal Jalapatra Ulisi Samithi, are up in arms against the move of the Tamil Nadu government.

Karnataka Chief Secretary Sudhakar Rao said the state might approach the Supreme Court against the Tamil Nadu government's drinking water project.

A planned joint survey of the waterfall area by the two states has not made any headway.

BJP MP from Karnataka Ananth Kumar raised the Hogenakkal water project in the Lok Sabha earlier in March and accused the Tamil Nadu government of 'misleading the Cauvery Water Disputes Tribunal', and sought an immediate halt to execution of the project.

[Billgates]

The month-long dispute between Tamil Nadu and Karnataka over a Rs.13 billion water supply project worsened Monday, following protests by volunteers of a political party here against 'invasion from the neighbouring state'.

Flag-waving protestors of the Viduthalai Chiruthaigal Katchi (VCK) burnt effigies of former Karnataka chief minister and Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) leader B.S. Yediyurappa. They demanded the deployment of central paramilitary forces to 'safeguard' their 'interests'.

Karnataka-based rightwing political elements have laid claim on part of this village, situated 350 km south west of Chennai. Political parties in Karnataka, specially the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), have earlier alleged that the Tamil Nadu government has begun 'illegally' building a dam across the river Cauvery near Hogenakkal on the Karnataka-Tamil Nadu border.

The location is known for its salubrious climate and picturesque waterfalls. Karnataka leaders have claimed that a 400-acre island at the point where the Cauvery enters Tamil Nadu to form the picturesque Hogenakkal waterfall is part of their state.

'The inflow of tourists - as important to our livelihood as the Cauvery water that descends here from the waterfalls - has seen a downturn due to the invasion by chauvinist (former) Karnataka chief minister (and his) attempt to usurp real estate rightfully belonging to Tamil Nadu,' said K. Rajesh, a VCK demonstrator.

'He (Yediyurappa) is trying to stop the water supply project that will quench parched throats in the districts of Dharmapuri and Krishnagiri. To safeguard our interests we demand deployment of central paramilitary forces here immediately. We will also stop all agent provocateurs coming here under disguise of tourists,' he added.

The foundation stone for the Rs.13.3 billion scheme, funded by Japan Bank of International Cooperation (JBIC), was laid by Chief Minister M. Karunanidhi Feb 26.

Yediyurappa had led a group of demonstrators who decried Tamil Nadu's attempts to steal the neighbouring state's water on March 16. The waterfall in the region bordering Karnataka attracts thousands of tourists every year.

The Hogenakkal Water Supply and Fluorosis Mitigation Project is expected to cover 6,755 households in three municipal areas, 17 panchayats and 18 small towns, benefiting about three million people.

Safe drinking water would be provided from the waterfall to the fluoride-affected towns and villages in Dharmapuri and Krishnagiri districts bordering Karnataka.

[Billgates]

[tscii:658f1fb77e]Looks like the TN-Karnataka relations is getting worse every day due IMO, it’s a very good project for a dry regions like Dharmapuri & Krishnagiri . The funniest part is that though Cauvery enters TN through Hogenakkal , it seems these 2 districts have no access to Cauvery water . Amazing !
The TN politicians should leave aside politics , join hands their internal to make it successful to water problem
[/tscii:658f1fb77e]

[Punnaimaran]

The Tamil Nadu Govt should approach this issue very cautiously. Talks should be initiated and a peaceful solution be arrived at. The TN Govt should not allow any party to whip up passions and provoking Karnataka by holding demonstrations near the site.

The political parties in TN should come together for this common cause leaving aside political differences. But are our politicians willing to do that ?? Going by past experiences, I wouldn't be surprised if the opposition party does try every trick in the book to stall this project.

The sad state of TN politics !!!

Let's hope that the project which quenches the thirst of millions, goes through peacefully.

[Billgates]

PM

Already trouble in Blr . Many tamil cinema shows have been stopped now

AIADMK claims cr for conceiving the project . So, they may not go against implementation

[Punnaimaran]

No surprise that AIADMK claims the credit !!!

They claim credit for every good thing happening, be it the timely rains or Sethusamudram Canal project. But they would blame the opponents for every ill including floods (from the timely rains) or Adam's bridge controversy (SSCP) etc..

If, by chance, what they claim is true in this case, we can be sure that the AIADMK would not allow this project to be implemented till they come to power. And during that time, we can expect the DMK to do the same. God save TN !!

Stopping the screening of Tamil films is very common in blr. There may not be any particular reason for that and the only outcome is that some of the chauvinistic groups get media attention.

They always look for a reason to be in the limelight, and we somehow manage to give them one every time.

Nobody cares for the common man.

[wrap07]

It is high time for everyone to think like a nation. The Regional chauvanism practiced in this country is not a good sign for the future. At the end of the day, it is One Nation and We are Indians first. The great irony is that in our old times everthing was shared with mutal respect and love and it was a pleasure to shuttle between various places in our glorious country.

But, now we have come to a situation where even places within one state itself will fight for some issue. The biggest problem for our Country at present is there is no Leader who can command things and take everybody along. Everybody is thinking of short term benefits. It is really sad.

[Kalyasi]

siva...
as you said, it may or may not happen...
but there are many chances for it... as it is election time, the parties will try to grab attention and earn name...

anyway enough of dig in this thread... :)

lets open a new thread and dig-in there....

Pona vaati Kaveri water panjayathu pothu when they gave more tmc to TN I was driving my bike which has a TN regn. without any problem...

[Billgates]

Wrap07

The worst thing is not honouring the Supreme Court's verdict !
Especially on the Cauvery water issue, couple of times the ruling of the Apex Court was not considered at all by the Karnataka Govt.

And the Union govt had not taken any action against the State

[SoftSword]

siva...
as you said, it may or may not happen...
but there are many chances for it... as it is election time, the parties will try to grab attention and earn name...

anyway enough of dig in this thread... :)

lets open a new thread and dig-in there....

Pona vaati Kaveri water panjayathu pothu when they gave more tmc to TN I was driving my bike which has a TN regn. without any problem...

its a case with you...
in our areas even the autos were not allowed to run...
and bikes were under severe threat...

its not that they give trouble uniformly across the city....
there are specific areas....

[Billgates]

Anybody knows our Constitution ? Hope all rivers are national property .

[SoftSword]

Anybody knows our Constitution ? Hope all rivers are national property .

Not yet...

[wrap07]

The rivers are not nationalised yet. If it is done, atleast allocation of water can be done according to the actual requirement of states. Even this can only be done by a visionary government which treats all states as one and not bothered by pulls and pressures.

[wrap07]

Wrap07

The worst thing is not honouring the Supreme Court's verdict !
Especially on the Cauvery water issue, couple of times the ruling of the Apex Court was not considered at all by the Karnataka Govt.

And the Union govt had not taken any action against the State

This is what I was trying to impress. A strong Central Government with the interests of all states in mind and which is not bothered about political compulsions can only act. Everybody is bothered about winning elections on some issue and this is quite an issue to deal with.

[cancer]

siva...
as you said, it may or may not happen...
but there are many chances for it... as it is election time, the parties will try to grab attention and earn name...

anyway enough of dig in this thread... :)

lets open a new thread and dig-in there....

Pona vaati Kaveri water panjayathu pothu when they gave more tmc to TN I was driving my bike which has a TN regn. without any problem...

Kalyasi the funniest part was the tmc was not more than wat we got initially. these people didnt ustd that . :)

[Dilbert]

Anybody knows our Constitution ? Hope all rivers are national property .

Not yet...

This is what happens when state political party try to dictate National Policy. Some people especially in TN might not agree with what I am trying to say but fact remains !

this is just another witty and Corrupted policies of TN Govt(s) If Mr. Karunanidhi is so concerned about water problem in TN if he serious about helping people

1) He would have put the Sea Water - Drinking Water Project on Fast track. which was Intitated some 9 years ago Both DMK / AIDMK only harped about it nothing happened.

2) Water Harvesting Project Another great Initative what happend only god know!

3) He will not take up the project when summer is approaching its insane to expect people to accept anything (be it rite or wrong) everyone is desprate for water. This is a crazy politics

On Karnataka Side equally crazy political parties with stupid policies keeping people away from dark. This is the Reason I (people who are really concerned about Indian Interest) / we said give BJP a full majority Govt in Delhi. Than see what happens.

Connecting all Rivers would have been reality by now just like Golden Quarder. Instead people wanted Cong. Now the are hell bent on moving us in to stone age..

[Billgates]

On Karnataka Side equally crazy political parties with stupid policies keeping people away from dark. This is the Reason I (people who are really concerned about Indian Interest) / we said give BJP a full majority Govt in Delhi. Than see what happens.

Dilbert

Actually it was Yediyurappa ( BJP ) has raised the issue ! Yesterday, SM Krishna was speaking about escalating to Union Govt to stall the water project until the Court decides :cry:

Even within TN, you can see the Congress guys talking very diplomatically & they will never go outright bcaz of their counterparts sitting in Karnataka.

[Dilbert]

On Karnataka Side equally crazy political parties with stupid policies keeping people away from dark. This is the Reason I (people who are really concerned about Indian Interest) / we said give BJP a full majority Govt in Delhi. Than see what happens.

Dilbert

Actually it was Yediyurappa ( BJP ) has raised the issue ! Yesterday, SM Krishna was speaking about escalating to Union Govt to stall the water project until the Court decides :cry:

Even within TN, you can see the Congress guys talking very diplomatically & they will never go outright bcaz of their counterparts sitting in Karnataka.


Guys You are still not getting it. Without Centre's Permission MK wouldn't have cleared the project in first Place. Trust me its a game played by Congress. DMK is just playing there role to make sure Congress gets home safe in Election. Once its done No one is going to give Rats ass for drinking water or anything else.

Of Course BJP will raise objection when things are done with hidden motives Bro. I am not arguing BJP Karnataka is clean even they have there own set of dirty bags of politics. All I am saying is BJP National had clear vision and had clear path to achieve them since they were lacking majority, people like MK took advantage of the situation than ..He is doing the same even now with this alliance.

[SoftSword]

what is there for mk to do here...
TN is given clear chit for starting this project in 98...
and now they are kickin it off...
but these guys out of jealousy are fightin against it...

is this fair?

its as simple as this...

dont try to relate things and see a big dirty picture....

[Billgates]

Dilbert

Congreass so far hasnt reacted yet.

DMK will lose its image significantly if it makes a wrong move bcaz all other parties have pounced on this issue . Mr. Karunaninidi is a sesoned politician. He will not make wrong moves.

[Billgates]

Karnataka's claim over Hogenakkal is untenable. This territory was ceded to TN long before. Now asking TN to give back is unfair. Why BJP Karnataka is digging some old issues ?

After all, the project is being implemented on the TN side only . How does it affect Karnataka ?

[Dilbert]

what is there for mk to do here...
TN is given clear chit for starting this project in 98...
and now they are kickin it off...
but these guys out of jealousy are fightin against it...

is this fair?

its as simple as this...

dont try to relate things and see a big dirty picture....

What was he doing for last 10 years? What did he do for Periyar Dam project similar issue? So was Sea water / drinking water conversion projects? Again these projects were also proposed using Tax payers money rite? People should get benefits of these projects too rite?

MK is season typical Indian Politican we know otherwise how do you explain having alliance with both sides of the tables for last 10years :oops:

All I am trying to say its not what they are trying to do is an issue its when they are trying to do is an issue. Just wait for 2 more month after than not even a single person will be worried about this issue.

[SoftSword]

what is there for mk to do here...
TN is given clear chit for starting this project in 98...
and now they are kickin it off...
but these guys out of jealousy are fightin against it...

is this fair?

its as simple as this...

dont try to relate things and see a big dirty picture....

What was he doing for last 10 years? What did he do for Periyar Dam project similar issue? So was Sea water / drinking water conversion projects? Again these projects were also proposed using Tax payers money rite? People should get benefits of these projects too rite?

MK is season typical Indian Politican we know otherwise how do you explain having alliance with both sides of the tables for last 10years :oops:

All I am trying to say its not what they are trying to do is an issue its when they are trying to do is an issue. Just wait for 2 more month after than not even a single person will be worried about this issue.

so you mean to say just cos they have left it unatteneded for 10 years... they should leave it dropped or what...

atleast now they are startin it up...

or when will they...

[Dilbert]

so you mean to say just cos they have left it unatteneded for 10 years... they should leave it dropped or what...

atleast now they are startin it up...

or when will they...

I lived all my life in bangalore seen the worst riots over water disputes. Seen many such political gimmicks from both sides, Even if they start this project with all hungama in next one year, story will be told in completely different manner. and it will be stopped.

Karnakata - IT and Land Politics

TN - Water Politics.

So till we have good stable central governement People like Mayawati, Lalu, MK will survive in there local areas with there regular gimmicks, Last tenure he was pro urban, This time around its rural. This project will take minimu 3-5 years to complete (if implemented). Same Congress who is in centre who gave the clerance will try stopping the project thru there karnakata wing and claim that they stop injustice for kanndigas to get some political mileage.

So lets wait and see.

[SoftSword]

so you mean to say just cos they have left it unatteneded for 10 years... they should leave it dropped or what...

atleast now they are startin it up...

or when will they...

I lived all my life in bangalore seen the worst riots over water disputes. Seen many such political gimmicks from both sides, Even if they start this project with all hungama in next one year, story will be told in completely different manner. and it will be stopped.

Karnakata - IT and Land Politics

TN - Water Politics.

So till we have good stable central governement People like Mayawati, Lalu, MK will survive in there local areas with there regular gimmicks, Last tenure he was pro urban, This time around its rural. This project will take minimu 3-5 years to complete (if implemented). Same Congress who is in centre who gave the clerance will try stopping the project thru there karnakata wing and claim that they stop injustice for kanndigas to get some political mileage.

So lets wait and see.

dilbu...
seems like you hate MK so much.... :)

[Dilbert]

dilbu...
seems like you hate MK so much.... :)

No Sir I don't , I just hate politicians who take tax payers money for granted thatz all. :oops:

as matter of fact few of my TN friends are Pro DMK guys some of them are active members in the party around Vellore, Vaniyambadi, Solingur, Arakkonam and chennai areas..

[sriranga]

Anybody knows our Constitution ? Hope all rivers are national property .

Not yet...

This is what happens when state political party try to dictate National Policy. Some people especially in TN might not agree with what I am trying to say but fact remains !

this is just another witty and Corrupted policies of TN Govt(s) If Mr. Karunanidhi is so concerned about water problem in TN if he serious about helping people

1) He would have put the Sea Water - Drinking Water Project on Fast track. which was Intitated some 9 years ago Both DMK / AIDMK only harped about it nothing happened.

2) Water Harvesting Project Another great Initative what happend only god know!

3) He will not take up the project when summer is approaching its insane to expect people to accept anything (be it rite or wrong) everyone is desprate for water. This is a crazy politics

On Karnataka Side equally crazy political parties with stupid policies keeping people away from dark. This is the Reason I (people who are really concerned about Indian Interest) / we said give BJP a full majority Govt in Delhi. Than see what happens.

Connecting all Rivers would have been reality by now just like Golden Quarder. Instead people wanted Cong. Now the are hell bent on moving us in to stone age..

Dilbert I agree with you.
and just to add one more point, elect BJP govt in all the states.

Narmada water finally flows to Rajasthan villages
http://www.newkerala.com/one.php?action=fullnews&id=40600


for an interstate project, the cost was around 1900 crores.

how come the hogennakkal project for just one state ( and that too few towns) is costing 1300 crores?

[Dilbert]

how come the hogennakkal project for just one state ( and that too few towns) is costing 1300 crores?

May be they are planning for refrigerated Water !
" Jillu en oru Thaani " :oops:

[wrap07]

Every project will have two cost
cost of project proposed ..x..crores

proposed to be completed (some body should be out of their minds to ask when or within the time frame)


Actual project cost ..x crores( Your mathematical talent will come into play. Never forget the hidden costs) :D

[cm123]

Protest by Politicians and Actors will never bring a solution..
They simply create scene...

As theatres attacked actors decided to protest otherwise..?

When the people (affected) start to protest then only there will be a solution..

Now the Dharmapuri/Krishnagiri district people are the one affected.. they should start protest..
But they will not do it.. as they are mostlly uneducated and believe
their political leaders and believe that the government should do every thing for them
like free rice free bus free tv free water etc...

as long as our people remain like this politicians and actors will survive a lot...

[selvakumar]

EKSI ! we should discuss on TN vs KARNATAKA in this issue and not about congress vs BJP ? :x

btw, karnataka BJP started this. They are claiming that the 400 acre land belong to them. Ithana naal enga poneenga raasa ? :rotfl:

Cauvery oda 3/4th TN la irukku. Then athukku sontha maana 3/4th water mattum ungalukku thevaiyaa... enna logic ? wow :clap:

We should now go and claim that the entire bangalore and mandya region should come under TN and belong to TN

what MK has to do with this. MK is quit right and straight here. Even if we have to build a bridge in chennai, seems we must seek karnataka's permission. :x

nattu patru, orumai paadu - ada pongadaa !

[SoftSword]

pesama namma Dr'a anuppi inga irukka marattha ellaam vetta solluvom...
appo dhaan ivangalukku namma mela oru bayam irukkum...

enna chinnapullat'thanamaa irukku... :)

[joe]

ennatha solla :sigh2:

[sriranga]

Every project will have two cost
cost of project proposed ..x..crores

proposed to be completed (some body should be out of their minds to ask when or within the time frame)


Actual project cost ..x crores( Your mathematical talent will come into play. Never forget the hidden costs) :D

itha kanakule eduthaa kooda, 1300 kodi remba jasthiyaa irukara mathiri oru feeling irukku :wink:


as far as karnataka election is concerned, it is bjp vs cong.

don't underestimate cong , they are in a dilemma now.

[Dilbert]

EKSI ! we should discuss on TN vs KARNATAKA in this issue and not about congress vs BJP ? :x


what MK has to do with this. MK is quit right and straight here. Even if we have to build a bridge in chennai, seems we must seek karnataka's permission. :x

nattu patru, orumai paadu - ada pongadaa !


Sleva This is about CONG + DMK V/s BJP. Cong had no election agenda what so ever in Karnataka . They needed some issue to makesure SMK is in lime light. so Mr. MK was kind enough to honour high command's requests. (he suddenly realised in his dream after 3 1/2 year of rule, yes I will go ahead with hoganekal project) Wah!! great thinker.

you shouldn't talk Ennda 3/4 theory. I know the history and geography of this issue. Lets not be too judgemental time and again political parties have used people's needs as there weapons for exploitation.

Btw what happend to his pervious drama "Adams Bridge" ooh going by your logic he can even claim Srilanka and close the chapter by creating a land route. :lol:

This is how he is keeping people in dark by giving freebies .

Just to added if People from Tamil nadu (living / working in karnataka) are so feedup with Karnataka's politics.. They should return to there homeland where they have a great ruler, peace and harmony etc etc.. and protest from there.

[Dilbert]

MK refuses to take blame for TN-Karnataka water war
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Published on Thu, Apr 03, 2008 at 13:35, Updated at Thu, Apr 03, 2008 in Nation section

Tags: Tamil Nadu, Karnataka , New Delhi
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BLAME GAME: The CM said people who know him would know he would never use harsh language.

The Chief Minister has been quick in rubbishing allegations that it was his statements which provoked violence against Tamils in Karnataka.

"As a person who has understood me fully well, I am quite sure, you will not believe or even imagine that such provocative words would have been uttered by me," he said.

Karunanidhi has written to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and UPA Chairperson Sonia Gandhi saying: "I have not used any harsh language, either publicly or in the Resolution passed unanimously in the State Assembly on the first of April."

He further says: "A Chief Minister of a state cannot keept quiet when in the neighbouring state, buses from Tamil Nadu are burnt, Tamil Cinema houses ransacked and Tamils in that state are kept in constant fear."

He expressed confidence that Manmohan Singh and Sonia Gandhi "would appreciate the just cause for which Tamil Nadu has been fighting within in the democratic and constitutional frame work". A copy of his letter has also been sent to Krishna.

His reaction comes a day after former Karnataka chief minister, S M Krishna wrote to Manmohan Singh on Wednesday alleging that Tamil Nadu CM's use of harsh language incited Kannada activists.

Krishna has also demanded that the Hogennakal Fall Water Project be put on hold till a new government assumes power in Karnataka..

"The new government can protect Karnataka's interests better. The Prime Minister should exert his influence in Tamil Nadu. The Tamil Nadu Chief Minister's harsh language were unexpected and it has provoked Kannada activists," Krishna had stated on Wednesday.

[SoftSword]

Just to added if People from Tamil nadu (living / working in karnataka) are so feedup with Karnataka's politics.. They should return to there homeland where they have a great ruler, peace and harmony etc etc.. and protest from there.

you cant make a statement that way dilbert...
is karnataka part of India???

[raaja_rasigan]

Just to added if People from Tamil nadu (living / working in karnataka) are so feedup with Karnataka's politics.. They should return to there homeland where they have a great ruler, peace and harmony etc etc.. and protest from there.

you cant make a statement that way dilbert...
is karnataka part of India???

ss.. neenga ippadithan ketkanum:

is karnataka not a part of India???

[Dilbert]

Just to added if People from Tamil nadu (living / working in karnataka) are so feedup with Karnataka's politics.. They should return to there homeland where they have a great ruler, peace and harmony etc etc.. and protest from there.

you cant make a statement that way dilbert...
is karnataka part of India???

eppo Indiava. :D I knew I will get this response.!! If people are really concerned about Indian Interest, Let me them desert Regional parties. Let them grow to next level support National parties. Enough of "I need a good road / dam only in front of my house attitude" Work towards buliding better things for Country as a whole.

Its very easy for anyone to get cared away with all these hungamas. even when we were in our late teens we use to get more passionate about these things without understanding the magnitude. Only by expereince we can realise who is playing politics who is trying to do the rite thing. :)

[SoftSword]

dilbert...
if we are sitting outside India and doesn get affected by the happenings here, then we can think in such a matured way and realize things as you said....

[Dilbert]

dilbert...
if we are sitting outside India and doesn get affected by the happenings here, then we can think in such a matured way and realize things as you said....

ellamma.. Thappu :notthatway: we have been living in Bangalore for almost 4 Generations Now. I still have properties and my parents live in bangalore as matter of fact, My relatives are around bangalore and mysore / chikkamgalur. More than anything people whom I love and people who are a major part of my life still live in bangalore and surrounding areas (my friends). So Even though physically I am away. I am still very much part of the same system. I vote every single time no matter where I am. ( I am still an Indian Citizen) Never have any intention of changing my nationality (despite of having options) There is nothing wrong with my country just few things has to be corrected thatz all.

[podalangai]

[tscii:70d20202f2]This may be a good time to revive a wondeful letter sent to the editor of the Times of India by a gentleman by the name of S. Pushparaman from Tiruchchi. It was published in the Madras edition of the Times of India on January 28, 1973:



There is much talk these days about the “Sons of the Soil”. The advocates and opponents of this theory do not seem to agree among themselves. Perhaps, the following classification might solve the problem of those involved in the controversy.

First, we must not accept the present division of states and districts as they are political and man-made. When we swear by the soil, we must adhere to the natural, geological division. Our earth has been clearly divided into different kinds of soil regions: alluvial, volcanic, etc. It is but natural that sons should work only in their respective mother soils. For example, only those born in the alluvial soil can work in the alluvial region. They may call themselves “alluvians” and proclaim “Alluvial soil for alluvians only”. People of other soil regions may form similar groups. People may be given identity cards with the name of soil clearly printed on it.

To solve the problem of babies born in the air (planes), they should be employed as pilots and air hostesses. Nobody except the sons and daughters of the air should get these air jobs. They should be allowed to stay on earth in a non-classified soil region when they are off-duty.

S.Pushparaman, Tiruchirapalli [/tscii:70d20202f2]

[Dilbert]

[tscii:e8e4fee28e]This may be a good time to revive a wondeful letter sent to the editor of the Times of India by a gentleman by the name of S. Pushparaman from Tiruchchi. It was published in the Madras edition of the Times of India on January 28, 1973:



There is much talk these days about the “Sons of the Soil”. The advocates and opponents of this theory do not seem to agree among themselves. Perhaps, the following classification might solve the problem of those involved in the controversy.

First, we must not accept the present division of states and districts as they are political and man-made. When we swear by the soil, we must adhere to the natural, geological division. Our earth has been clearly divided into different kinds of soil regions: alluvial, volcanic, etc. It is but natural that sons should work only in their respective mother soils. For example, only those born in the alluvial soil can work in the alluvial region. They may call themselves “alluvians” and proclaim “Alluvial soil for alluvians only”. People of other soil regions may form similar groups. People may be given identity cards with the name of soil clearly printed on it.

To solve the problem of babies born in the air (planes), they should be employed as pilots and air hostesses. Nobody except the sons and daughters of the air should get these air jobs. They should be allowed to stay on earth in a non-classified soil region when they are off-duty.

S.Pushparaman, Tiruchirapalli [/tscii:e8e4fee28e]

Not sure What it was intended for !! :confused2: The Problem is not with how we divide ourselves. Even in Country like US there is water problem (between States) you don't get to see people screwing each others happiness which is instigated by there leaders :( They are still trying to find alternative solutions than creating new issues to harm people. :(

[sriranga]

Just to added if People from Tamil nadu (living / working in karnataka) are so feedup with Karnataka's politics.. They should return to there homeland where they have a great ruler, peace and harmony etc etc.. and protest from there.

you cant make a statement that way dilbert...
is karnataka part of India???

eppo Indiava. :D I knew I will get this response.!! If people are really concerned about Indian Interest, Let me them desert Regional parties. Let them grow to next level support National parties. Enough of "I need a good road / dam only in front of my house attitude" Work towards buliding better things for Country as a whole.

Its very easy for anyone to get cared away with all these hungamas. even when we were in our late teens we use to get more passionate about these things without understanding the magnitude. Only by expereince we can realise who is playing politics who is trying to do the rite thing. :)

chandru kallakare. notthula oru vartha. :clap:

[kb]

how is the safety for us in bangalore sorry bengaluru

[Dilbert]

how is the safety for us in bangalore sorry bengaluru

Its all fine KB , some Kannada vedikea Activitsts would have throwed some stones at some shops. I did speak to my folks this morning after seeing some posts in hub :) . Things are returning to normal. You can expect All tAmil movies return to screen by 20th of May :D (if thatz what your ultimate concern)

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[Badri]

Just a note of caution to all Hubbers discussing this topic:

Discussions on politics are really out of scope of this Forum, but given that this whole issue is nothing but politics, please do discuss sensibly, without resorting to any defamation, name calling or personal attacks on any party or political leader

[joe]

They should return to there homeland where they have a great ruler, peace and harmony etc etc.. and protest from there.

So India is not Homeland fot tamils ,just Tamilnadu ,according to you.

[joe]

Enough of "I need a good road / dam only in front of my house attitude" Work towards buliding better things for Country as a whole.

You mean we should drop Hogenakkal project and asked them to build one big dam to provide water for the whole country ? what a simple and nice idea :)

Kattuna 110 koodi makkaLukkum water kidaikkura maathiri kattungappa ..Illinna kattatheengappa .Athu thaan Thesiya paarvai.

(Note : All these advices for only for Tamils ,not for others).

[joe]

Dilbert,
You blame all parties taking this opertunity to get votes in election ..Here also you are using this thread to bash Kalainjar karuNanithi.

[joe]

If a state cannot accept Supreme court verdit and still Central Govt is unable to make the state to follow supreme court verdit ,what is the use of Nationality ? :huh:

whenever there is a political problem between two states ,some gundass from one state always attack people ,shut down cinema halls ,TV telecasts ,attack buses ,openly issuing threats against the principle of nationality and national integrity ,State and Central govt always keep their eys closed..

Even in this Hogenakkal project ,Central govt already given approval and Previous Karnataka Govt given no objection ..Now if they have any objection ,let them go to central govt ,not to attack tamils ,stop TV channels etc etc


But advices about nationality and national integration is always thrown to the people of receiving end ..what a joke?

[cm123]

If a state cannot accept Supreme court verdit and still Central Govt is unable to make the state to follow supreme court verdit ,what is the use of Nationality ? :huh:

whenever there is a political problem between two states ,some gundass from one state always attack people ,shut down cinema halls ,TV telecasts ,attack buses ,openly issuing threats against the principle of nationality and national integrity ,State and Central govt always keep their eys closed..

But advices about nationality and national integration is always thrown to the people of receiving end ..what a joke?

You are correct.

But we cannot behave in the same way like them ..
and moreover the whole TN people yet to get the ignite ..

When all Tamils become unite and loss patience then others will get to know..

[joe]

But we cannot behave in the same way like them .. .

Certainly we don't want to behave like them ..Until recent past,Our people never retaliate and respect national integrity beleivinng nation will give them justice.. But did anybody appreciate tamils for that ?

One sector of people think we are Kozhaigal and Kutta kutta kunipavan (Ivan romba nallavanpa..EvvaLavu kuduthaalum vaankikuraan) ,then other pesudo-nationalists allways advice us only ,never dare to advice others who are really anti-national.

[cm123]

But we cannot behave in the same way like them .. .

Certainly we don't want to behave like them ..Until recent past,Our people never retaliate and respect national integrity beleivinng nation will give them justice.. But did anybody appreciate tamils for that ?

One sector of people think we are Kozhaigal and Kutta kutta kunipavan (Ivan romba nallavanpa..EvvaLavu kuduthaalum vaankikuraan) ,then other pesudo-nationalists allways advice us only ,never dare to advice others who are really anti-national.

The problem is people(real people) ignoring everything and politicians take advantage of them

[cm123]

see for this case the people (Dharmapuri /Krishnagiri district) should come out and protest on streets.
As they are affected with polluted water they are the right person to protest not politicians/actors..
why people hesitate to protest.. in every other country its the people who are doing protest not politicians/actors/gundas..

[Nerd]

in every other country its the people who are doing protest not politicians/actors/gundas..
idhu point.. idhula Rajini varala.. so avaru nadikka koodathunu solRadhellAm sema comedy ba :lol: :rotfl:

[cm123]

in every other country its the people who are doing protest not politicians/actors/gundas..
idhu point.. idhula Rajini varala.. so avaru nadikka koodathunu solRadhellAm sema comedy ba :lol: :rotfl:
idula satyaraj tamil nadla soru thingiravanallam varanumnu solrathu athavida peria comedy.. :lol:

Theatrea adichathala ivanga varanga illanna avar pattukku vetla briyani sappitukkittu iruppar ..

[joe]

Nerd,
Pls don't deviate the topic from the core issue by bringing politics within actors here.

[Nerd]

Nerd,
Pls don't deviate the topic from the core issue by bringing politics within actors here.
So we are discussing politics here :huh:

[joe]

why people hesitate to protest.. .

Even many educated among us not aware what is this Hogenakkal project and who are going to get benefit ..People in districts of Krishngiri are less educated in TN ..Common people never even know what they are going to get from this project ..They only care about if anything they can get persoanlly ..thundu ,TV , aduppu .paruppu :( ..Our people have a mentality why i must go and protest for a common interest ,unless i get something for me exclusively. This is our people mentality :(

[joe]

Nerd,
Pls don't deviate the topic from the core issue by bringing politics within actors here.
So we are discussing politics here :huh:

Ofcourse this is a political issue ..If you bring actors here ,people only discuss about actors ,not the core issue .

Then upto you to continue or not :roll: .I am not interested in that :(

[Nerd]

Nerd,
Pls don't deviate the topic from the core issue by bringing politics within actors here.
So we are discussing politics here :huh:

Ofcourse this is a political issue ..
Then why do actors get involved in this? There is a threat for them as well right? There is no harm in bringing them, I think... :roll:

[cm123]

why people hesitate to protest.. .

Even many educated among us not aware what is this Hogenakkal project and who are going to get benefit ..People in districts of Krishngiri are less educated in TN ..Common people never even know what they are going to get from this project ..They only care about if anything they can get persoanlly ..thundu ,TV , aduppu .paruppu :( ..Our people have a mentality why i must go and protest for a common interest ,unless i get something for me exclusively. This is our people mentality :(

Thats why we are suffering..

everything has to start from basic

for example if we want to promote Tamil as language we should start it from school..
BUt what is happening in schools .

en late..
bus varala
vanakkam sir
attendance sollu
present sir
groundkku po..

ingellam vituda vendiyathu.

30 vasukku mela vanthu.. Tamilla padathukku per vai kadaikku per vai tamilla pesunna eppadi mudiyum
therinja thana seyya mudiyum...

athu mathiri makkalukku palliyilirunthe padathai thavira ,
ella visayankalayum solli tharanum mukkiyama ethellam nam urimai,kadamai,sari thavaru etc..

samuka ariviyalum nannadathaiyum palli paruvathileye mihavum azhamaga sollithara vendum..

siina vayasula thiruvizhavil kadayil thiruvathai ellorum panniyiruppriga enru nambukiren. athanai yaravathu thappu enru solli irukkirargala?

[Dilbert]

[tscii:46ce1b2cd5]
If a state cannot accept Supreme court verdit and still Central Govt is unable to make the state to follow supreme court verdit ,what is the use of Nationality ? :huh:

whenever there is a political problem between two states ,some gundass from one state always attack people ,shut down cinema halls ,TV telecasts ,attack buses ,openly issuing threats against the principle of nationality and national integrity ,State and Central govt always keep their eys closed..

Even in this Hogenakkal project ,Central govt already given approval and Previous Karnataka Govt given no objection ..Now if they have any objection ,let them go to central govt ,not to attack tamils ,stop TV channels etc etc


But advices about nationality and national integration is always thrown to the people of receiving end ..what a joke?


Joe sir, Below 2 names where no where in the news on Hogenakkal issue couple of weeks ago.! Now They are the Newsmakers.. now thatz a typical Political gimmick

What happened to his other great projects Adams bridge?

I am not bashing MK -> A person who has close 13 cabinet portfolios under him who is part of central government speaks volumes..! I just pin pointed how In TN politicans get away with gimicks and freebies.

Who was that pervious government in Karnataka it was Congress during Same Mr. krishna's tenure they reached agreement right after close to 9 years Suddenly all these events unfolded the moment Election dates are announced in Karnataka.

Blocking News channels / movies is another set of story it will get in to different debate. Karnataka markets are open markets unlike TN markets. Other language movies do good business. But thatz not the case when it comes to Kannada movies in TN There could be 100000 reasons. Some vested interest groups in Karnatka play this game. Now why you guys create a scene as if all Tamils in Karnatka are in Pakistan hostel state. if you feel so much unsafe pl return to your safe heavens.. Thatz all sir..:huh:



Karuna, Krishna soften stand on Hogenakkal issue

CNN-IBN

TimePublished on Thu, Apr 03, 2008 at 22:05 in Nation section

People who read this also read:
MK refuses to take blame for TN-Karnataka water war

Karunanidhi says he is not willing to be blamed for triggering the controversy.

Bangalore: The raging political battle over the Hogenakkal water project has been calmed down, at least for now, by some mature handling of the situation by senior Karnataka Congress leader S M Krishna and Tamil Nadu Chief Minister M Karunanidhi. Both don't want to push the situation beyond the point of recovery.

The two top political leaders of Tamil Nadu and Karnataka finally softened their stand on the issue after a heated exchange whipped up tension in the two states.

Karunanidhi on Thursday sent a letter to Congress President Sonia Gandhi and Krishna denying the use of any harsh word against Kannadiga.

“I have not used any harsh language either publicly or in the Resolution passed in the State Assembly on April 1, 2008. A Chief Minister of a state cannot keep quiet when in the neighbouring state, buses from Tamil Nadu are burnt, Tamil cinema houses are ransacked and Tamils in the state are kept in constant fear,” he said.

Krishna, too, indicated he didn't want to aggravate the matter further.

“You see, he says he hasn’t made any such harsh statement. I certainly welcome it,” Krishna said.

The Hogennakal issue row has generated more smoke than light. However the verbal war has led to the call for a Karnataka bandh on April 10 issued by language activists, the blackout of Tamil and Kannada TV channels, disruption of bus services on either side, and the call for a Tamil film industry fast on Friday have queered the pitch.[/tscii:46ce1b2cd5]

[joe]

Nerd,
Pls don't deviate the topic from the core issue by bringing politics within actors here.
So we are discussing politics here :huh:

Ofcourse this is a political issue ..
Then why do actors get involved in this? There is a threat for them as well right? There is no harm in bringing them, I think... :roll:

அதைத் தான் அவங்க தெளிவா சொல்லிட்டாங்களே ! இரு மாநிலங்களுக்குள்ளே எந்த ஒரு அரசியல் பிரச்சனை வந்தாலும் முதலில் பாதிக்கப்படுவது தமிழ் சினிமா தான் ..கர்நாடகத்தில் முதலில் தமிழ் திரைப்படங்கள் ஓடும் திரையரங்குகள் தாக்கப்படுகிறது ..அதைக் கண்டித்தே அவர்கள் போராட்டம் நடத்துகிறார்கள்.

இதுக்கு மேலே அவர்களுக்குள்ளே நடக்கும் உள்ளடி வேலைகள் ,யார் கண்டிப்பா வரணும் ,வராவிட்டால் என்ன நடக்கும் என்பதைப் பற்றி எல்லாம் விவாதம் செய்து ,உண்மையாகவே இங்கு விவாட்திக்கப்பட வேண்டியதை பின்னுக்கு தள்ள விருப்பமென்றால் தாராளமாக செய்யுங்கள் .

யாராருக்கு எது முக்க்கியமோ அதைத் தானே செய்ய முடியும் ?

[cm123]

Nerd,
Pls don't deviate the topic from the core issue by bringing politics within actors here.
So we are discussing politics here :huh:

Ofcourse this is a political issue ..
Then why do actors get involved in this? There is a threat for them as well right? There is no harm in bringing them, I think... :roll:

அதைத் தான் அவங்க தெளிவா சொல்லிட்டாங்களே ! இரு மாநிலங்களுக்குள்ளே எந்த ஒரு அரசியல் பிரச்சனை வந்தாலும் முதலில் பாதிக்கப்படுவது தமிழ் சினிமா தான் ..கர்நாடகத்தில் முதலில் தமிழ் திரைப்படங்கள் ஓடும் திரையரங்குகள் தாக்கப்படுகிறது ..அதைக் கண்டித்தே அவர்கள் போராட்டம் நடத்துகிறார்கள்.

இதுக்கு மேலே அவர்களுக்குள்ளே நடக்கும் உள்ளடி வேலைகள் ,யார் கண்டிப்பா வரணும் ,வராவிட்டால் என்ன நடக்கும் என்பதைப் பற்றி எல்லாம் விவாதம் செய்து ,உண்மையாகவே இங்கு விவாட்திக்கப்பட வேண்டியதை பின்னுக்கு தள்ள விருப்பமென்றால் தாராளமாக செய்யுங்கள் .

யாராருக்கு எது முக்க்கியமோ அதைத் தானே செய்ய முடியும் ?

Nerd, vanchapugalchianiyai kavanikkavum..

[Dilbert]

Joe sir if you want to scold me.. pl use English. :)

[Nerd]

Joe, discussion what you feel is important is beyond the scope of this "hub". I am ready to educate you, or get myself educated on the political side of it, is this what the "hub" wants? So I thought at least discussing the actors' stand on this issue will be tolerated here :roll:

[Nerd]

And we all know what's important and what is not! Amidst all this, don't you think its funny that an actor is being targetted. ippO adhuvA mukkiyam ivungaLukku :roll:

And discussing the most important point here will touch a few raw nerves, I do not want to do that 8-)

[joe]

Some vested interest groups in Karnatka play this game.

தேச ஒருமைப்பாடுக்கு எதிராக வெளிப்படையாகவே மிரட்டல் விட்டு அராஜகம் புரிந்து வரும் இந்த கும்பலை என்றாவது கர்நாடக அரசோ மத்திய அரசோ கண்டித்ததுண்டா ? இவர்களை தேச பாதுகாப்பு சட்டத்தின் கீழ் உள்ளே தள்ள வேண்டாமா ?



Now why you guys create a scene as if all Tamils in Karnatka are in Pakistan hostel state. if you feel so much unsafe pl return to your safe heavens.. Thatz all sir..:huh:

ஆகா ! அவர்கள் என்ன தான் ஆட்டம் போட்டாலும் நீங்கள் மூச்சு கூட விடாதீர்கள் .இல்லையென்றால் அங்குள்ள் தமிழர்களை அவர்கள் தாக்கினால் யார் பொறுப்பு - இது தானே இதுவரை கொடுக்கப்பட்ட அறிவுரை ..என்ன ஒரு தேசிய ஒருமைப்பாடு ? என்ன ஒரு நியாயம் ? என்ன ஒரு தீர்வு ?

[joe]

And we all know what's important and what is not! Amidst all this, don't you think its funny that an actor is being targetted. ippO adhuvA mukkiyam ivungaLukku :roll:

And discussing the most important point here will touch a few raw nerves, I do not want to do that 8-)

நீங்க வெளிப்படையாகவே சொல்லலாம் ..இதை சாக்காக வைத்து ரஜினியை குறி வைப்பதை நான் ஏற்கவும் இல்லை ..ஆதரிக்கவும் இல்லை.

[Dilbert]

And we all know what's important and what is not! Amidst all this, don't you think its funny that an actor is being targetted. ippO adhuvA mukkiyam ivungaLukku :roll:

And discussing the most important point here will touch a few raw nerves, I do not want to do that 8-)

I Agree with you.. ! my post Censored message was for that..

[Dilbert]

JOE SIRS ENNGLISH PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[Nerd]

Now why you guys create a scene as if all Tamils in Karnatka are in Pakistan hostel state. if you feel so much unsafe pl return to your safe heavens.. Thatz all sir..:huh:

Now this is funny. So karnataka people don't like tamilians, so we should go back to our home.. There are a few kannadigas living in TN as well, lets throw them out of TN, then talk pages about national integration :bow: This thing should be escalated and lets hope justice prevails..

[Dilbert]

Now why you guys create a scene as if all Tamils in Karnatka are in Pakistan hostel state. if you feel so much unsafe pl return to your safe heavens.. Thatz all sir..:huh:

Now this is funny. So karnataka people don't like tamilians, so we should go back to our home.. There are a few kannadigas living in TN as well, lets throw them out of TN, then talk pages about national integration :bow: This thing should be escalated and lets hope justice prevails..

I don't know whether you lived in Karnataka! But I did most of my life. when some people come up with theory of Tamils are not safe.. and other craps. it just hurts..thatz not true most they enjoy much better lifestyles.. You guys shouldn't conclude bcoz of few posts here that kannadigas doesn't like and all that crap.

Just to give you Stats There are 100 times more tamils living in karnataka than kannadigas living in TN :) so lets not get there. Its same way as Tibetans sitting in India Can't protest against Indian policies with China ! If you want to do that pl go to tibet.


I know I can agrue all I want End of the day pl who are from TN will not agree with me :cry:

[sarna_blr]

Now why you guys create a scene as if all Tamils in Karnatka are in Pakistan hostel state. if you feel so much unsafe pl return to your safe heavens.. Thatz all sir..:huh:

Now this is funny. So karnataka people don't like tamilians, so we should go back to our home.. There are a few kannadigas living in TN as well, lets throw them out of TN, then talk pages about national integration :bow: This thing should be escalated and lets hope justice prevails..

NERD brother... Dilbert solradhula enna funny irukku... chumma indha seidhithaalgalum...TV channels create panra maayai idhu...public'um public'um prachchanayE illa...ellaam arasiyal.....election time ... adhanaala apdi dhaan irukkum...idhu ellaam paaththu paaththu blr tamizhalgalukku(including me) pazhagi pOchchu... neenga pudhusa irukkalaam...pazhagikkOnga... :)

[Nerd]

I was talking about the statement dilbert made in which he asked all the tamil people to go back if they feel unsafe! First of all why do you guys make it unsafe for tamilians? Are we doing this to you??

You => People who do all that.

And of course, I know very little about whats happening on the *ground*.. Thats why I did not make any post on the core issue :roll:

[joe]

Just to give you Stats There are 100 times more tamils living in karnataka than kannadigas living in TN :) so lets not get there. Its same way as Tibetans sitting in India Can't protest against Indian policies with China ! If you want to do that pl go to tibet.


:shock: You still talking as if Tamil Nadu and Karnataka are different Nation :roll:

[sarna_blr]

Now why you guys create a scene as if all Tamils in Karnatka are in Pakistan hostel state. if you feel so much unsafe pl return to your safe heavens.. Thatz all sir..:huh:

Now this is funny. So karnataka people don't like tamilians, so we should go back to our home.. There are a few kannadigas living in TN as well, lets throw them out of TN, then talk pages about national integration :bow: This thing should be escalated and lets hope justice prevails..

I don't know whether you lived in Karnataka! But I did most of my life. when some people come up with theory of Tamils are not safe.. and other craps. it just hurts..thatz not true most they enjoy much better lifestyles.. You guys shouldn't conclude bcoz of few posts here that kannadigas doesn't like and all that crap.

Just to give you Stats There are 100 times more tamils living in karnataka than kannadigas living in TN :) so lets not get there. Its same way as Tibetans sitting in India Can't protest against Indian policies with China ! If you want to do that pl go to tibet.


I know I can agrue all I want End of the day pl who are from TN will not agree with me :cry:

Dilbert brother.... bangalore'la pala varushamaa vaazhdha tamizhargalukku neenga sonna vishayam puriyum... veleela irundhu paakkuravangalukku puriyaadhu...take it easy brother... :)

[Dilbert]

I was talking about the statement dilbert made in which he asked all the tamil people to go back if they feel unsafe! First of all why do you guys make it unsafe for tamilians? Are we doing this to you??

You => People who do all that.

And of course, I know very little about whats happening on the *ground*.. Thats why I did not make any post on the core issue :roll:


When political stakes are High !! People tend to create dramas! They are all safe no one is creating the feeling of uneasiness there..

I SAID IF People living have problem.

[sarna_blr]

I was talking about the statement dilbert made in which he asked all the tamil people to go back if they feel unsafe! First of all why do you guys make it unsafe for tamilians? Are we doing this to you??

You => People who do all that.

And of course, I know very little about whats happening on the *ground*.. Thats why I did not make any post on the core issue :roll:

NERD brother,
yes people dhaan panraanga...but public illa... kandippa podhu makkal kidayaadhu....politicians and goondaas panraanga...ungalukku innum theleevaa puriyanum'na...bangalore'la irukkura politicians'Oda background.... i mean avangalOda poorveegaththa konjam padichcheengana puriyum...ungalukku vEnum'na links provide pannurEn.... :)

[joe]

Sarna_blr,
We are not expecting bangalore settled Tamils to support Tamil nadu cause ..At the same time ,They should not blame us for reacting for our rights in our nation as a state ..

Usually ,whenever they are attacked ,they only made a cue and cry it is all because of Tamil nadu and because of Tamil nadu asking for their rights ,they are suffering in Karnataka.

Let Thamizhs have vote in karnataka be sons of karnataka ..we don't care unless they blame us.

We are always asked to keep silent just because otherwise thamizhs in bangalore will be attacked.

what do you say brooooother? :huh:

[littlemaster1982]

There are NO problems here at this moment. I was highly irritated to see the comments of some actors in Sun TV today. As always, Sun TV tries to sensationalize this issue. Some theatres were attacked here on Tuesday and after that I haven't heard of a major issue. The media is making a mountain out of molehill.

[Dilbert]

Just to give you Stats There are 100 times more tamils living in karnataka than kannadigas living in TN :) so lets not get there. Its same way as Tibetans sitting in India Can't protest against Indian policies with China ! If you want to do that pl go to tibet.


:shock: You still talking as if Tamil Nadu and Karnataka are different Nation :roll:

oru comperechen.. :oops:

[joe]

There are NO problems here at this moment.

LM,
Happy to hear that :D
Let our Kannadiga brothers realise that Tamils in tamil nadu will not be always in the receiving end and Enga PoRumaikkum oru ellaiyundu .

Let them deal all political problems leagelly rather than attacking buses ,theatres and tamil organisaions without any reasons.

karnataka Govt should take action against all anti-national elements ,who are openly talk against national intergirity.

[Dilbert]

Sarna_blr,

Usually ,whenever they are attacked ,they only made a cue and cry it is all because of Tamil nadu and because of Tamil nadu asking for their rights ,they are suffering in Karnataka.


what do you say brooooother? :huh:


Joe Bro. Water issue has become a joke of late for few political parties. None of them addressed the root cause nor try to find alternatives. Including Cavery commission. :angry2:

We know How many Supreme Court judgement(s) were honoured by TN when they had disputes around Kerala borders. so lets not get there. I didn't not intended to bring up this here bcoz thatz not the core issue rite now.

All I am saying is These two states are interlinked in any markets and more tightly than any of us can imagine. When some thing like this happen. One side tries to out do the other by displaying more idiotic gimmicks in the name of passion , pride, rites etc etc. Truth is political motivated dramas will never have happy ending which is good for people.

ok sir ... Rajni fasting will solve the problem

And Namma Tamil Sour supply manger will inagurate the project on completion.

[sarna_blr]

Sarna_blr,
We are not expecting bangalore settled Tamils to support Tamil nadu cause ..At the same time ,They should not blame us for reacting for our rights in our nation as a state ..

Usually ,whenever they are attacked ,they only made a cue and cry it is all because of Tamil nadu and because of Tamil nadu asking for their rights ,they are suffering in Karnataka.

Let Thamizhs have vote in karnataka be sons of karnataka ..we don't care unless they blame us.

We are always asked to keep silent just because otherwise thamizhs in bangalore will be attacked.

what do you say brooooother? :huh:

Joe anna...ennOda statement'a neenga thappaa purinjukkitteenga...
oru kutti kadhai solRen....(just comparison)
oru ponnum payyanum road'la nadandhu pOnaanga...
adha message eppadi maarudhu'nu paarunga...
1st per.....rendu pErum kai kOrthuttu pOnaanga..
2nd per.... rendu pErum tholmEla kai pOttukkittu pOnaanga...
3rd per.... rendu pErum kiss pannikkittE pOnaanga...
4th per...._______________(type pannina neenga delete panni censored'nu pOduveenga)

namma media onnumillaa vishayaththukku ippadi dhaan kai kaal mookku ellaam vachchu pEsum...dont make big pls...
Wt LM said as below is the correct news...
BTW we are Indians...just by language dont seperate us...pls...


There are NO problems here at this moment. I was highly irritated to see the comments of some actors in Sun TV today. As always, Sun TV tries to sensationalize this issue. Some theatres were attacked here on Tuesday and after that I haven't heard of a major issue. The media is making a mountain out of molehill.

[cm123]

latesta unnaviradha pandhalil enna comedy nadakuthunnu yaravathu update kodunkappa.

[sarna_blr]

Sarna_blr, what do you say brooooother? :huh:

:roll: puriyala...:confused2:

[littlemaster1982]

latesta unnaviradha pandhalil enna comedy nadakuthunnu yaravathu update kodunkappa.

One stupid actor says Veerappan was our God (Ellaichaami) and when he was alive nobody was dared to touch tamilians :banghead:

[joe]

We know How many Supreme Court judgement(s) were honoured by TN when they had disputes around Kerala borders.

Pls educate us with specific details. :)

[joe]

latesta unnaviradha pandhalil enna comedy nadakuthunnu yaravathu update kodunkappa.

One stupid actor says Veerappan was our God (Ellaichaami) and when he was alive nobody was dared to touch tamilians :banghead:

:banghead: Kurangu kaiyila poomaalai maathiri Nadigan kaiyila mike kodutha ippadi thaan :x

[sarna_blr]

Sarna_blr,

Usually ,whenever they are attacked ,they only made a cue and cry it is all because of Tamil nadu and because of Tamil nadu asking for their rights ,they are suffering in Karnataka.


what do you say brooooother? :huh:


Joe Bro. Water issue has become a joke of late for few political parties. None of them addressed the root cause nor try to find alternatives. Including Cavery commission. :angry2:

We know How many Supreme Court judgement(s) were honoured by TN when they had disputes around Kerala borders. so lets not get there. I didn't not intended to bring up this here bcoz thatz not the core issue rite now.

All I am saying is These two states are interlinked in any markets and more tightly than any of us can imagine. When some thing like this happen. One side tries to out do the other by displaying more idiotic gimmicks in the name of passion , pride, rites etc etc. Truth is political motivated dramas will never have happy ending which is good for people.

ok sir ... Rajni fasting will solve the problem

And Namma Tamil Sour supply manger will inagurate the project on completion.


ippa ellaam cauvery prachchana verum arasiyal vilayaatta pOchchu... :cry:

[Dilbert]

We know How many Supreme Court judgement(s) were honoured by TN when they had disputes around Kerala borders.

Pls educate us with specific details. :)

1) Sir Periyar Dam issue and land surrounding it.

2) Krishna Water issue

Lists goes on bro all you have to do his just get in to local library and pull up files from 1980s to till date. These doesn't get in to lime lite bcoz you and I are not from kerala to argue like this.. :lol: i mean mallu chetans..

[sarna_blr]

latesta unnaviradha pandhalil enna comedy nadakuthunnu yaravathu update kodunkappa.

One stupid actor says Veerappan was our God (Ellaichaami) and when he was alive nobody was dared to touch tamilians :banghead:

:oops: :x

[joe]

We know How many Supreme Court judgement(s) were honoured by TN when they had disputes around Kerala borders.

Pls educate us with specific details. :)

1) Sir Periyar Dam issue and land surrounding it.

2) Krishna Water issue

Lists goes on bro all you have to do his just get in to local library and pull up files from 1980s to till date. These doesn't get in to lime lite bcoz you and I are not from kerala to argue like this.. :lol: i mean mallu chetans..

:huh: If you have any details of any supreme court verdit which TN refused to implenment ,let me know ..Otherwise don't make personal bullying. :x

[sarna_blr]

Joe anna discussion route maari pOra maadhiri theriyudhu... :oops:

PS...ennOda kElvikku badhil sollavE illa... :x

[Dilbert]

We know How many Supreme Court judgement(s) were honoured by TN when they had disputes around Kerala borders.

Pls educate us with specific details. :)

1) Sir Periyar Dam issue and land surrounding it.

2) Krishna Water issue

Lists goes on bro all you have to do his just get in to local library and pull up files from 1980s to till date. These doesn't get in to lime lite bcoz you and I are not from kerala to argue like this.. :lol: i mean mallu chetans..

:huh: If you have any details of any supreme court verdit which TN refused to implenment ,let me know ..Otherwise don't show your ignorance here. :x

You know what , Joe sir looks like either you are completely ignorant on the case filled by Kerala govt to Supreme to stop construction of periyar Dam and that was case with Krishna water sharing problem

or your just draggin this argument to prove that TN govt has never broken laws always abide by rules .. Either case.

I am done. I know I just can't conveniece people who doesn't want to accept the reality. who just want to think they have been ignored after all Kashmir and Kanyakumari are in same country. Attitude remains. same.
:oops: :cry:

Pl forgive me for my ignorance sir. I really I am in mist of very very well informed people.

[joe]

We know How many Supreme Court judgement(s) were honoured by TN when they had disputes around Kerala borders.

Pls educate us with specific details. :)

1) Sir Periyar Dam issue and land surrounding it.

2) Krishna Water issue

Lists goes on bro all you have to do his just get in to local library and pull up files from 1980s to till date. These doesn't get in to lime lite bcoz you and I are not from kerala to argue like this.. :lol: i mean mallu chetans..

:huh: If you have any details of any supreme court verdit which TN refused to implenment ,let me know ..Otherwise don't show your ignorance here. :x

You know what , Joe sir looks like either you are completely ignorant on the case filled by Kerala govt to Supreme to stop construction of periyar Dam and that was case with Krishna water sharing problem

or your just draggin this argument to prove that TN govt has never broken laws always abide by rules .. Either case.

I am done. I know I just can't conveniece people who doesn't want to accept the reality. who just want to think they have been ignored after all Kashmir and Kanyakumari are in same country. Attitude remains. same.
:oops: :cry:

Pl forgive me for my ignorance sir. I really I am in mist of very very well informed people.

Absolutely you are ignorant about difference between filing a case in court and final verdict from court :huh:

Continue your blah blah.. :x

[joe]

For Others (other than Dilbert who spreading lies here) Information.

It is Kerala not accepting Supreme Court Verdict in Mullai Periyar Issue

[joe]

Joe sir looks like either you are completely ignorant on the case filled by Kerala govt to Supreme to stop construction of periyar Dam.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

This is called 'Muzhu Poosanikaaiyai soothula Maraikkurathu'

Supereme court verdict is to increase the height of Periyar dam ,but Kerala is refusing ,but wanted to build a new dam.

Ippadi anthar bulti adikkurathu ,only foosible in india :lol:

[Billgates]

Joe Sir

Digression :

A recent Supreme Court ruling was almost dishonoured by DMK govt . Remember that Bandh proposed which was countered by ADMK . Finally Kalainar had to do a Gandhigiri & finally went to office to attend duties.

Digression ends :

Dilbert, I think Joe is right. That Mullaiperiyar ruling by Suprement court was not honoured by the Kerala Govt

[Dilbert]

For Others (other than Dilbert who spreading lies here) Information.

It is Kerala not accepting Supreme Court Verdict in Mullai Periyar Issue

Supreme court have issued many such verdicts. there are many legal issues still stop those verdicts.

As said in my earlier posts. I am done with the argument. this is for your info only.

http://www.thehindu.com/2006/08/27/stories/2006082705910500.htm

Plea to execute verdict on Periyar dam swiftly



"Dam should come under State's control"





MADURAI: The Tamil Nadu Government must swiftly implement the Supreme Court verdict on increasing the height of the Mullaperiyar dam, Tamil National Movement president P. Nedumaran said on Saturday.

The February 27 verdict allowing Tamil Nadu to raise the level of the 110-year-old dam from 136 feet to 142 feet had left no scope for appeal, he said.

Mr. Nedumaran told presspersons that the dam, built across the Mulla and Periyar rivers in Kerala's Idukki district, should be brought under Tamil Nadu's control.

This could not be legally challenged by Kerala.

The All-India Anna Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam regime had not opposed Kerala's decision to bring legislation nullifying the Supreme Court verdict, which also had permitted Tamil Nadu to carry out further strengthening measures as suggested by the Central Water Commission.

The Kerala Assembly had unanimously passed a bill on March 15, amending the State Irrigation and Water Conservation Act, 2003, allowing it to maintain status quo on the dam.

[joe]

A recent Supreme Court ruling was almost dishonoured by DMK govt . Remember that Bandh proposed which was countered by ADMK . Finally Kalainar had to do a Gandhigiri & finally went to office to attend duties.

Oh! Yeah ..Even when saturday ,sunday are holidays for court ,with their influence ,they wake up the judge at home and got the verdict immediately.

You only said kalainjar accepted court verdict and went to office to attend duties ..what does it means ? obeying or disobeying ? :roll:

[Dilbert]

Joe sir looks like either you are completely ignorant on the case filled by Kerala govt to Supreme to stop construction of periyar Dam.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

This is called 'Muzhu Poosanikaaiyai soothula Maraikkurathu'

Supereme court verdict is to increase the height of Periyar dam ,but Kerala is refusing ,but wanted to build a new dam.

Ippadi anthar bulti adikkurathu ,only foosible in india :lol:

They gave the reason as age of the DAM why they wanted Idduki or edduki DAM if I recollect. Which even TN allowed ! :oops:

[joe]

Dilbert,
Pls read your own proof ..If you don't realise that you are putting same side goal :lol:

[sriranga]

unnaviratham update:

Rajnikanth has arrived.


perarasu punch dialak:
"avangalukku thanniya thadukathaan theriyun, namaku thanni kaatta theriyun."

cheran: over unarchified.

[Dilbert]

A recent Supreme Court ruling was almost dishonoured by DMK govt . Remember that Bandh proposed which was countered by ADMK . Finally Kalainar had to do a Gandhigiri & finally went to office to attend duties.

Oh! Yeah ..Even when saturday ,sunday are holidays for court ,with their influence ,they wake up the judge at home and got the verdict immediately.

You only said kalainjar accepted court verdict and went to office to attend duties ..what does it means ? obeying or disobeying ? :roll:

Basha Dialogue.. if CM works its equalient of whole state working Enough of this digs.. Joe sir.. seriously.. :)

remooba.. late aeduchie... tmrw.. mr.peter will be with a ticketing meter.. gnite take care..

[sriranga]

Joe Sir

Digression :

A recent Supreme Court ruling was almost dishonoured by DMK govt . Remember that Bandh proposed which was countered by ADMK . Finally Kalainar had to do a Gandhigiri & finally went to office to attend duties.

Digression ends :

Dilbert, I think Joe is right. That Mullaiperiyar ruling by Suprement court was not honoured by the Kerala Govt


thamizhargal silar sattathai erithathaaga kooda sarithiram undu.

naama thanni tharum nelamayil irunthu, nammidam kai yendhum nilayil pirar irunthal, naam tharaalamaaga irupoma allathu vera enna seyvom endru nenjem thotthu sollavendum, ippothu sattathai mun niruthovor.

[Billgates]

Sriranga

Whenever any crisis or calamity strikes, relief support , be it financially ,the state which will appear in the first will be TN only

There are many instances . Gujarat earthquake, Latur earthquake, Tsunami relief ( though TN was prime target ), PM's national relief fund.

The TN govt & the TN cinema fraternity have helped the cause several times.

TN never shows any hatred towards a particular state guy. The only disagreement is on accepting HIndi.

[joe]

Sriranga

Whenever any crisis or calamity strikes, relief support , be it financially ,the state which will appear in the first will be TN only

There are many instances . Gujarat earthquake, Latur earthquake, Tsunami relief ( though TN was prime target ), PM's national relief fund.

The TN govt & the TN cinema fraternity have helped the cause several times.

TN never shows any hatred towards a particular state guy. The only disagreement is on accepting HIndi.

:exactly:

[sarna_blr]

yEn ellaarum tamilnaadu..karnatakaanu pirichchu pesureenga...INDIA'nu solla maatteengalaa... :oops: :x

[SoftSword]

hey...
thalaivar vandhuttaaru....

you know guys...
here in bangalore...
suntv is telecasted in our area sans voice...
we could clearly see the mute symbol in that channel...

does this make us feel to be in home....???

[Billgates]

Ranga

Are you aware, even during the Chinese aggression, the entire TN film artists staged programmes to collect funds for the army & relief

I think for the Gujarat Earthquake, TN topped the list of fund collections .

[joe]

Welcome Rajini Sir! :D

[joe]

Ranga

Are you aware, even during the Chinese aggression, the entire TN film artists staged programmes to collect funds for the army & relief

I think for the Gujarat Earthquake, TN topped the list of fund collections .

Billgates,
You missed this .TN is top donor for Kargil war fund.

[Billgates]

Ranga

Are you aware, even during the Chinese aggression, the entire TN film artists staged programmes to collect funds for the army & relief

I think for the Gujarat Earthquake, TN topped the list of fund collections .

Billgates,
You missed this .TN is top donor for Kargil war fund.

Oh sorry. Yes yes. :D

Besides, whenever the cyclone strikes Andhra, our govt had provided immediate relied supplies.

[joe]

Looks like some of the participants in Unnaviratham making nonsense statements.

This guys oraganised unnaviratham against violence ,but they themselves making emotional statements ,which will trigger more violence.

Mike kidachathugrathukkaga thaaru maara pesaatheenga raasa !

Kannadigas are our brothers ..we have to oppose only notable gangs who always induce violence.

[littlemaster1982]

Looks like some of the participants in Unnaviratham making nonsense statements.

This guys oraganised unnaviratham against violence ,but they themselves making emotional statements ,which will trigger more violence.

Mike kidachathugrathukkaga thaaru maara pesaatheenga raasa !

Kannadigas are our brothers ..we have to oppose only notable gangs who always induce violence.

This is what I was talking about. Wonder they do have anything called sense :x

[selvakumar]

Just to give you Stats There are 100 times more tamils living in karnataka than kannadigas living in TN Smile so lets not get there. Its same way as Tibetans sitting in India Can't protest against Indian policies with China ! If you want to do that pl go to tibet.
Now, I get the point DILBERT brother. Since I am a tamilian,

- if an autodriver bashes me and advices me to learn kannada
- If a hotel owner doesn't give me water and asks me to ask the TN CM

then I should simply take my baggage and go to TN

Then
- I should Ask the auto drivers in coimbatore to give the same advice to kanndigas living over there
- Ask the hotel owners to avoid giving water.

The above two incidents were no way related to me. But I have seen them happening to others living in my place. I am not posting this here just to create sensation.

And few hubbers know, what I faced in a theatre here :)

I don't think there is any kind of restriction for screening of kannda movies in TN. come on.. Telugu, hindi and dubbed english movies are runningl ike any thing here. If kannada movies are not getting released in TN, then the problem is not with TN industry. But something else. Otherwise, there won't be any centralbody called south indian film chamber

[joe]

நடிகர் ரமேஷ் கண்ணா, 'இந்த போராட்டம் கன்னட மக்களுக்கு எதிரான போராட்டம் இல்லை. தமிழர்களைத் தாக்கும் அமைப்புக்கு எதிரான போராட்டம்' என்றார்

[Billgates]

[tscii:5cd4c07885]The Karnataka-Tamil Nadu standoff over the Hogenakkal water project shows no signs of dying down. A day after senior Congress leader S M Krishna accused Tamil Nadu chief minister M Karunanidhi of instigating violence in Karnataka, the DMK supremo hit back by denying that he had used a ``harsh language,’’ but retained his right to voice his protest over the worrying developments in the neighbouring state.

``A chief minister of a state cannot keep quiet when in the neighbouring state buses from Tamil Nadu are burnt, Tamil cinema houses are ransacked, Tamil Sangam office at Bangalore is attacked and Tamils in that state are kept in constant fear,’’ Mr Karunanidhi said in a letter addressed to prime minister Manmohan Singh and UPA chairperson Sonia Gandhi. A copy of the letter was also sent to the former Karnataka chief minister S M Krishna.

With the DMK, a crucial ally of the Congress, sticking to its belligerence, a chastened Mr Krishna had no option but to back down, and come round to advocating talks between the two sides to evolve a consensus on the Hogenakkal water project.

"I met the prime minister in Delhi on Wednesday and briefed him about the objections being raised by Karnataka on the project and the remarks made by the Tamil Nadu chief minister, which has sparked off agitation in the state,’’ Mr Krishna, who’s in-charge of the Congress’ election management in Karnataka, told newspersons in Bangalore on Thursday.

He said even as Tamil Nadu maintained that the project was purely to meet drinking water needs, there were certain procedures which had to be followed since it involved an inter-state river, a dispute pending between the states for years.

``Tamil Nadu should cooperate with Karnataka in finding a consensus on the Hogenakkal project through talks as it is in the interest of both the states,’’ he said, even as he passed on the blame for clearing the project on the Vajpayee government.

The fire lit up by the issue on the two sides, however, refuses to get extinguished. The Tamil Nadu government, buoyed by the support extended by various bodies and individuals to its stance, is hoping to keep up the heat on Karnataka and the Centre to let the project through.

In the run-up to the assembly polls in Karnataka, the Congress could find such a high-decibel campaign launched in the neighbouring state counter-productive. It could fan passions among the people, especially in the southern parts of the state.

In an effort to express its solidarity with the Karunanidhi government, the South Indian Film Chamber of Commerce (SIFCC), spearheading the agitation, has asked all the artists to take part in a fast organised to protest the attacks on cinemas screening Tamil movies in Bangalore and Karnataka’s stand on the Hogenakkal Integrated Water Project.

On the other side of the border, 36 activists of a pro-Kannada group were arrested on Thursday for allegedly stoning the office of a local cable operator in Bangalore for not heeding to their demand to black out Tamil channels, a direct fallout of the Hogenakkal row.

The activists of the Karnataka Rakshana Vedike arrived at the Incable network office in Bangalore and began pelting stones at the window panes, the police said, adding that those involved in the incident were arrested.

The cable operators had on Wednesday decided not to give into the demand of the activists who asked them to black out the Tamil channels to protest Tamil Nadu chief minister M Karunanidhi’s statement that his state will go ahead and implement the Hogenakkal drinking water project.

In another development, the BJP’s Karnataka unit on Thursday extended support to the April 10 Karnataka bandh called by various pro-Kannada outfits.
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/PoliticsNation/Hogenakkal_falls_at_PMs_doorsteps/articleshow/2924243.cms[/tscii:5cd4c07885]

[SoftSword]

Looks like some of the participants in Unnaviratham making nonsense statements.

This guys oraganised unnaviratham against violence ,but they themselves making emotional statements ,which will trigger more violence.

Mike kidachathugrathukkaga thaaru maara pesaatheenga raasa !

Kannadigas are our brothers ..we have to oppose only notable gangs who always induce violence.

if i can name him, its our beloved veerapathran from captain prabhakaran...

he was advicing like, all tamizhians who live in blore.... take weapons and go on a revenge... and teach them...

i guess on seeing this, the kannadigas here will get pumped with anger...

and i saw some people like vijaykumar and others came to the front and controlled him speakin much intensely...

[joe]

Looks like some of the participants in Unnaviratham making nonsense statements.

This guys oraganised unnaviratham against violence ,but they themselves making emotional statements ,which will trigger more violence.

Mike kidachathugrathukkaga thaaru maara pesaatheenga raasa !

Kannadigas are our brothers ..we have to oppose only notable gangs who always induce violence.

if i can name him, its our beloved veerapathran from captain prabhakaran...

he was advicing like, all tamizhians who live in blore.... take weapons and go on a revenge... and teach them...

i guess on seeing this, the kannadigas here will get pumped with anger...

and i saw some people like vijaykumar and others came to the front and controlled him speakin much intensely...

Mansoor Ali Khan idiot :x :x :x :evil: With police protection and sitting in TN ,you are talking non-sense ..why don't you go to bangalore and speak like this ? :x

[selvakumar]

I read in hindu yesterday, TN should allow karnataka to implement bangalore drinking water project if this project had to be allowed (when the agreement was signed).
So, whom should we blame for integrity ?

[selvakumar]

நடிகர் ரமேஷ் கண்ணா, 'இந்த போராட்டம் கன்னட மக்களுக்கு எதிரான போராட்டம் இல்லை. தமிழர்களைத் தாக்கும் அமைப்புக்கு எதிரான போராட்டம்' என்றார்
:clap: Joe, I was able to see the first 10 mins of Mansoor's speech. He started well only to start crap after 5 mins. He was bashing congress, praising rajini, kalaignar and after that sun tv was muted :lol:

[sarna_blr]

நடிகர் ரமேஷ் கண்ணா, 'இந்த போராட்டம் கன்னட மக்களுக்கு எதிரான போராட்டம் இல்லை. தமிழர்களைத் தாக்கும் அமைப்புக்கு எதிரான போராட்டம்' என்றார்

pls give the link... i will also see the status lively... :)

[joe]

I read in hindu yesterday, TN should allow karnataka to implement bangalore drinking water project if this project had to be allowed (when the agreement was signed).
So, whom should we blame for integrity ?

Selva,
Is any such project proposed ? In Hogennakal ,TN is not blocking water going to karnataka ,Isn't incoming water ? How it affects Karnataka? :roll:

[selvakumar]

he was advicing like, all tamizhians who live in blore.... take weapons and go on a revenge... and teach them...
:shaking:

[joe]

நடிகர் ரமேஷ் கண்ணா, 'இந்த போராட்டம் கன்னட மக்களுக்கு எதிரான போராட்டம் இல்லை. தமிழர்களைத் தாக்கும் அமைப்புக்கு எதிரான போராட்டம்' என்றார்

pls give the link... i will also see the status lively... :)
http://thatstamil.oneindia.in/

[selvakumar]

I read in hindu yesterday, TN should allow karnataka to implement bangalore drinking water project if this project had to be allowed (when the agreement was signed).
So, whom should we blame for integrity ?

Selva,
Is any such project proposed ? In Hogennakal ,TN is not blocking water going to karnataka ,Isn't incoming water ? How it affects Karnataka? :roll:
Sorry Joe. I didn't word it properly. While signing the agreement the central govt department related to this, asked TN to allow bangalore drinking water project (TN was opposing that at that time since it was against the existing cauvery verdict and we were not getting the water for the previous verdict too).

this was somekind of blackmail too. (I think). TN allowed karntaka to continue with bangalore drinking water project for this project to materialise. After that only, this was signed.

so, ithu kitta thatta oru compensation thaan. summava karntaka agreement la sign pannaum :D

[joe]

Sorry Joe. I didn't word it properly. While signing the agreement the central govt department related to this, asked TN to allow bangalore drinking water project (TN was opposing that at that time since it was against the existing cauvery verdict and we were not getting the water for the previous verdict too).

this was somekind of blackmail too. (I think). TN allowed karntaka to continue with bangalore drinking water project for this project to materialise. After that only, this was signed.

so, ithu kitta thatta oru compensation thaan. summava karntaka agreement la sign pannaum :D

:shock: Even after that they are not satisfied and now claiming Hogenakkal belongs to them :oops: :oops:

[leosimha]

Selva,

What damage did Mansoor Ali Khan do? What did he say?

[SoftSword]

indha nadigargal unnaviradhattha vida...
if all party hunger strike was arranged in tamilnadu.... it would have been more sensible and effective...

kalaignar... jayalalitha... ramadoss... vijaykanth... sarath... and others... in the same stage... and wording for a single cause...

wont it be healthy...

nadigargal kandippa dialogue dhan pesuvanga... avangalukku pazhagiduchu... except a few who are directly and indirectly involved in politics and know the nerve of it...

[cm123]

meadayil vaikku vanthapadi pesupavargalai udanadiyaka arrest panna vendum.

Intha Mali neyvelikke thannio adichittu vanthuthan ularinan ippavum

rape case ullavanellam tamilanukku advise panran tamilanin thalayezhuthu.. :banghead:

[leosimha]

he was advicing like, all tamizhians who live in blore.... take weapons and go on a revenge... and teach them...
:shaking:

I was seeing Isai-Aruvi and the audio was muted suddenly. is it the work of the channel or the broadcasters in Karnataka?

[selvakumar]

he was advicing like, all tamizhians who live in blore.... take weapons and go on a revenge... and teach them...
:shaking:

I was seeing Isai-Aruvi and the audio was muted suddenly. is it the work of the channel or the broadcasters in Karnataka?
Leo, paper paarkalaya innaikku. Cable operators will block CM's channels since he is commenting on this issue. Other than that, all other channels will be telecasted. Isai aruvi CM oda channel illaya.. athaan.
and SUN TV ya mute pannunathukku intha telecast reason ah irukkalam

[sriranga]

Ranga

Are you aware, even during the Chinese aggression, the entire TN film artists staged programmes to collect funds for the army & relief

I think for the Gujarat Earthquake, TN topped the list of fund collections .

Billgates,
You missed this .TN is top donor for Kargil war fund.

Oh sorry. Yes yes. :D

Besides, whenever the cyclone strikes Andhra, our govt had provided immediate relied supplies.

during crisis, there would be generous benefactors and grateful beneficiaries. i don't doubt that TN had been generous many times during crisis, we have been beneficiaries few times too.

Iam asking about a normal problem like water sharing.
naam pirarukku thanneer kudukkum nilayil irunthaal, nam arasu tharalamaaga kudukkum endru nnengal ethirparkereergala?
the oppostion party would pounce on it and make it a big issue, won't it? namkke thaanneer illai, en avargalukku intha arasu thanner thanthathu endru avargal kooruvargal.

thats the problem here.
cauvery water is not enough for 2 states (with mandya region started producing crops throughout the year). they have genuine concerns, we have concerns of our own.

politicians of each state will take the stand of bias towards their own states. otherwise their political careers will be over.

[selvakumar]

thats the problem here.
cauvery water is not enough for 2 states (with mandya region started producing crops throughout the year). the have genuine concerns, we have concerns of our own.

politicians of each state will take the stand of bias towards their own states. otherwise their political careers will be over.
Everything is regulated. For starting irrigation project, every state has to seek the central govt's permission. Karnataka was not given permission for few of their drinking water projects and irrigation projects. Cauvery water is there. But the entire river water is utilised by karntaka. They start irrigation projects without any permission and they use the water. TN has not got their share for the existing irrigation projects itself. As per cauvery verdict, 3/4 of the river is in TN and we have every right for 3/4 of the water. Karnataka is not even ready to give that.

[leosimha]

he was advicing like, all tamizhians who live in blore.... take weapons and go on a revenge... and teach them...
:shaking:

I was seeing Isai-Aruvi and the audio was muted suddenly. is it the work of the channel or the broadcasters in Karnataka?
Leo, paper paarkalaya innaikku. Cable operators will block CM's channels since he is commenting on this issue. Other than that, all other channels will be telecasted. Isai aruvi CM oda channel illaya.. athaan.
and SUN TV ya mute pannunathukku intha telecast reason ah irukkalam

oh...I thought since some of the actors are speaking out of context, they had muted it. but blocking the channels means only audio and not video, surprising.

I don't know how far this is going to go. Why can't people speak something sensible. This Unnaviratham is for the Tamils protection in Karnataka but speaking like these will incite lots of hatred among KAR and TN. I see another PAK vs IND in KAR vs TN. Where will this go? :cry: :cry2:

[SoftSword]

indha nadigargal unnaviradhattha vida...
if all party hunger strike was arranged in tamilnadu.... it would have been more sensible and effective...

kalaignar... jayalalitha... ramadoss... vijaykanth... sarath... and others... in the same stage... and wording for a single cause...

wont it be healthy...

nadigargal kandippa dialogue dhan pesuvanga... avangalukku pazhagiduchu... except a few who are directly and indirectly involved in politics and know the nerve of it...

[SoftSword]

he was advicing like, all tamizhians who live in blore.... take weapons and go on a revenge... and teach them...
:shaking:

I was seeing Isai-Aruvi and the audio was muted suddenly. is it the work of the channel or the broadcasters in Karnataka?
Leo, paper paarkalaya innaikku. Cable operators will block CM's channels since he is commenting on this issue. Other than that, all other channels will be telecasted. Isai aruvi CM oda channel illaya.. athaan.
and SUN TV ya mute pannunathukku intha telecast reason ah irukkalam

oh...I thought since some of the actors are speaking out of context, they had muted it. but blocking the channels means only audio and not video, surprising.

I don't know how far this is going to go. Why can't people speak something sensible. This Unnaviratham is for the Tamils protection in Karnataka but speaking like these will incite lots of hatred among KAR and TN. I see another PAK vs IND in KAR vs TN. Where will this go? :cry: :cry2:

rendu state teamkum oru cricket match arrange pannuvom...
yaaru jeyikkirangalo avangalukku thanni...

[sarna_blr]

rendu state teamkum oru cricket match arrange pannuvom...
yaaru jeyikkirangalo avangalukku thanni...

:shock: adhulayum matchfixing adhu idhu'nu pudhusaa prachchanaya kelappuvaanga... :x

[cm123]

kNkku ethiraga silar pesum pothu nama varuthapadukirome

athumathiri TNkku ethiraga KNil pesum pothu general public varuthapaduvathunda..?

I hope guys in Bangalore can provide some info on this..

[joe]

thats the problem here.
cauvery water is not enough for 2 states (with mandya region started producing crops throughout the year). the have genuine concerns, we have concerns of our own.

politicians of each state will take the stand of bias towards their own states. otherwise their political careers will be over.
Everything is regulated. For starting irrigation project, every state has to seek the central govt's permission. Karnataka was not given permission for few of their drinking water projects and irrigation projects. Cauvery water is there. But the entire river water is utilised by karntaka. They start irrigation projects without any permission and they use the water. TN has not got their share for the existing irrigation projects itself. As per cauvery verdict, 3/4 of the river is in TN and we have every right for 3/4 of the water. Karnataka is not even ready to give that.

Moreover Sriranga sounds like Caveri belongs to karnataka and etho periya manasu panni TN-kku thanni tharanum .

For thousands of years Kaveri has it's delta in Karnataka and Tamil nadu ..We are not asking everything for us ,but only our share . Even India and pakistan sharing rivers without much problem.

[leosimha]

kNkku ethiraga silar pesum pothu nama varuthapadukirome

athumathiri TNkku ethiraga KNil pesum pothu general public varuthapaduvathunda..?

I hope guys in Bangalore can provide some info on this..

nalla kaelvi....but I really don't know but majority of the people with whom I have interacted have porammai over tamils here. so it will generally lead to hatred feelings...:(

[SoftSword]

kNkku ethiraga silar pesum pothu nama varuthapadukirome

athumathiri TNkku ethiraga KNil pesum pothu general public varuthapaduvathunda..?

I hope guys in Bangalore can provide some info on this..

satthiyama puriyala...

[leosimha]

According to International Water authority, nobody can block the river water by building dams and there was an issue between Pak and India but due to the authority, there is no issue. Why can't this be applied within India also? :banghead:


:?:

[joe]

kNkku ethiraga silar pesum pothu nama varuthapadukirome

athumathiri TNkku ethiraga KNil pesum pothu general public varuthapaduvathunda..?

I hope guys in Bangalore can provide some info on this..

I heard there are many kanndigas who oppose this fanatism.

[sriranga]

thats the problem here.
cauvery water is not enough for 2 states (with mandya region started producing crops throughout the year). the have genuine concerns, we have concerns of our own.

politicians of each state will take the stand of bias towards their own states. otherwise their political careers will be over.
Everything is regulated. For starting irrigation project, every state has to seek the central govt's permission. Karnataka was not given permission for few of their drinking water projects and irrigation projects. Cauvery water is there. But the entire river water is utilised by karntaka. They start irrigation projects without any permission and they use the water. TN has not got their share for the existing irrigation projects itself. As per cauvery verdict, 3/4 of the river is in TN and we have every right for 3/4 of the water. Karnataka is not even ready to give that.

there was some agreement for several decades and karnataka was honouring it. we shud not tell they didn't honour it.

anga vivasayi vevesayam parka koodathu naama solla mudiyathu.
they have started vevasayam and demanding water. their politicians are left with no choice but to dishonour the agreement.

the root cause of this problem is dividing states on linguistic basis. was it rajaji who opposed it?

[SoftSword]

naan patthavaraikkum inga blore'la...
no one is speakin this issue big...
i mean the public...

only those who speak about the issue are the people who watch the tamil news channels...

only they are projectin it umpteen times...

bus niruttham... pokkuvaratthu badhippu between two states....
idha thavara inga public'ku endha problem'um illai...

but i am sure, after this unnaviradham.. and a few people's nonsense speech.... it will get publicised.... the so called group of people here will start troublin the public...

anga pesuna... enna vena pesalaam... inga yaaru kaadhulayum vizhadhunu nenachittu irukkanga pola...

they should understand the thin line between speakin for a cause and brutally bashing KA's...

[cm123]

kNkku ethiraga silar pesum pothu nama varuthapadukirome

athumathiri TNkku ethiraga KNil pesum pothu general public varuthapaduvathunda..?

I hope guys in Bangalore can provide some info on this..

satthiyama puriyala...

Karnadakavil Tamilkku ethirana adavadikalai kandu general public
varuthapaduvathunda enru ketten.. thats it

[SoftSword]

kNkku ethiraga silar pesum pothu nama varuthapadukirome

athumathiri TNkku ethiraga KNil pesum pothu general public varuthapaduvathunda..?

I hope guys in Bangalore can provide some info on this..

satthiyama puriyala...

Karnadakavil Tamilkku ethirana adavadikalai kandu general public
varuthapaduvathunda enru ketten.. thats it

general public endha pechum pesaradhilla...
avanga avanga velaya patthuttu irukkanga....
only if there comes a bandh day... they will start discussin on this issue...

[cm123]

kNkku ethiraga silar pesum pothu nama varuthapadukirome

athumathiri TNkku ethiraga KNil pesum pothu general public varuthapaduvathunda..?

I hope guys in Bangalore can provide some info on this..

satthiyama puriyala...

Karnadakavil Tamilkku ethirana adavadikalai kandu general public
varuthapaduvathunda enru ketten.. thats it

general public endha pechum pesaradhilla...
avanga avanga velaya patthuttu irukkanga....
only if there comes a bandh day... they will start discussin on this issue...

thats okay man..

what they feel when some gundas attack tamis/bus/theatres unnecessarily.. and this is happening regulary whenever there is an issue related to cauvery.. so they should have a word on this.

[joe]

what they feel when some gundas attack tamis/bus/theatres unnecessarily.. and this is happening regulary whenever there is an issue related to cauvery.. so they should have a word on this.

ThamizhargaLukke pazhagi pocham ..Pinna avangalukku eppadi irukkum :)

[SoftSword]

what they feel when some gundas attack tamis/bus/theatres unnecessarily.. and this is happening regulary whenever there is an issue related to cauvery.. so they should have a word on this.

ThamizhargaLukke pazhagi pocham ..Pinna avangalukku eppadi irukkum :)

thats true...
its happening time and again here...

[joe]

what they feel when some gundas attack tamis/bus/theatres unnecessarily.. and this is happening regulary whenever there is an issue related to cauvery.. so they should have a word on this.

ThamizhargaLukke pazhagi pocham ..Pinna avangalukku eppadi irukkum :)

thats true...
its happening time and again here...

But when they talk to you ,don't they feel sorry ? :roll:

[leosimha]

'குத்து' ரம்யா பெங்களூரில் உண்ணாவிரதம்!
வெள்ளிக்கிழமை, ஏப்ரல் 4, 2008

பெங்களூர்: தமிழ்ப் படங்களில் பிசியாக நடித்து வரும் நடிகை 'குத்து' ரம்யா பெங்களூரில் இன்று நடந்து வரும் போட்டி உண்ணாவிரத்தில் பங்கேற்றுள்ளார்.

சென்னையில் தமிழ்த் திரையுலகினர் நடத்தி வரும் உண்ணாவிரதப் போராட்டத்தில் தமிழ் திரைப்படங்களில் நடித்து வரும் அனைத்துக் கலைஞர்களும் பங்கேற்றுள்ளனர்.

இந் நிலையில், தமிழ்ப் படங்களில் நிறைய நடித்து வரும் நடிகை குத்து ரம்யா என்கிற திவ்யா, பெங்களூரில் தமிழ் கலைஞர்களின் உண்ணாவிரதத்திற்குப் போட்டியாக நடந்து வரும் உண்ணாவிரதப் போராட்டத்தில் கலந்து கொண்டுள்ளார்.

இவர் முன்னாள் கர்நாடக முதல்வரும் காங்கிரஸ் தலைவருமான எஸ்.எம்.கிருஷ்ணாவின் உறவினர் என்பது குறிப்பிடத்தக்கது.

[cm123]

what they feel when some gundas attack tamis/bus/theatres unnecessarily.. and this is happening regulary whenever there is an issue related to cauvery.. so they should have a word on this.

ThamizhargaLukke pazhagi pocham ..Pinna avangalukku eppadi irukkum :)

thats true...
its happening time and again here...

But when they talk to you ,don't they feel sorry ? :roll:

exactly this is what I too asked..

[leosimha]

According to International Water authority, nobody can block the river water by building dams and there was an issue between Pak and India but due to the authority, there is no issue. Why can't this be applied within India also? :banghead:


:?:

[SoftSword]

we IT guys have very less interaction with the kannadiga public there... and i have never seen them speakin about such issues... maybe they dont want to bring up this...

but my colleague who is living in bangalore since birth, yesterday when i brought up this issue, he rubbished the protest by the politicians here... sayin its all election gimmick...

he spoke like, ivangalukku vera velai illa...

[leosimha]

என் சோறு தமிழகத்தில்தான்-அர்ஜூன்
வெள்ளிக்கிழமை, ஏப்ரல் 4, 2008
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Arjun
மேலும் புதிய படங்கள்
சென்னை: உண்ணாவிரத மேடையில் நடிகர் அர்ஜூன் பேசுகையில்,

நான் தமிழகத்தில் நடிக்க ஆரம்பித்து 25 வருடங்கள் ஆகிறது. இங்குதான் எனது வீடும், சோறும் உள்ளது. அந்த உணர்வில் சொல்கிறேன், வன்முறை என்பது யார் எங்கே செய்தாலும் அது தவறுதான்.

அப்பாவிகளும், பொதுமக்களும் பாதிக்கப்படுவது கண்டிக்க வேண்டிய செயல். சில வருடங்களாவே இந்தியாவில் மாநிலங்களுக்கு இடையே ஏகப்பட்ட கருத்து வேறுபாடுகள், பிரச்சினைகள் வந்து கொண்டிருக்கின்றன.

மராட்டிய மாநிலத்தில் வட இந்தியர்கள் தாக்கப்பட்டனர். அதேபோல இங்கும் காவிரிப் பிரச்சினை. அது நிரந்தரமாக தீர்க்கப்படாத காரணத்தால், இந்தப் புதிய பிரச்சினை பூதாகரமாக கிளம்பியுள்ளது.

ஆனால் இதற்கு வன்முறை தீர்வு கிடையாது. பஸ்சை உடைத்தால், இங்கு பஸ்சை உடைப்பார்கள். வன்முறைக்கு முடிவே கிடையாது. அதற்கு உண்மையான தீர்வு, சேரன் சொன்னது போல, மக்கள் கையில் இல்லை. அரசியல் தலைவர்கள்தான் நல்ல முடிவை காண வேண்டும்.

மத்திய அரசு தலையிட்டு இதற்கு ஒரு நல்ல தீர்வைக் கண்டால் பல அப்பாவி மக்களைக் காப்பாற்றலாம். ஒருமைப்பாடு என்று சொல்கிறோமே அதைக் காப்பாற்றலாம். மாநிலங்களுக்கு இடையே சகோதர மனப்பான்மையை வளர்க்கலாம்.

இங்கு ஆயிரக்கணக்கான கன்னடர்கள் பல வருடங்களாக நிம்மதியாக, சந்தோஷமாக வாழ்ந்து கொண்டிருக்கிறார்கள். அங்கும் தமிழற்கள் உள்ளனர். இந்த சந்தோஷம், நிம்மதி நீடிக்க மத்திய அரசு தயவு செய்து தலையிட வேண்டும் என்றார்.

எனது தாய் மொழி தமிழ்-முரளி

இன்று உண்ணாவிரதத்திற்கு முதல் நபராக வந்தவர்களில் நடிகர் முரளியும் ஒருவர். அவர் பேசுகையில் பிரச்சினை என்று வந்தால், தமிழர்களை கன்னடர்கள், அவர்களை கன்னட வெறியர்கள் என்றுதான் நான் சொல்வேன், தாக்குகிறார்கள்

உங்களுக்கு ஒன்று சொல்லிக் கொள்கிறேன். நான் பிறந்தது சென்னை. எனது தாய் மொழி தமிழ். தமிழன் என்று சொல்லிக் கொள்வதில் மிகவும் பெருமைப்படுகிறேன். கவுரவம் அடைகிறேன்.

நான் பத்தாம் வகுப்பு வரை படித்துள்ளேன். 5ம் வகுப்பு வரை சென்னையில்தான் படித்தேன். 10ம் வகுப்பு வரை கர்நாடகத்தில் படித்தேன்.

அங்கு நான் படித்தபோது எல்லோரும் சேர்ந்தே இருப்பார்கள். சந்தோஷமாகத்தான் இருப்பார்கள். ஆனால் தேர்தல் வரும்போது சில அரசியல்வாதிகள் இந்த ஒற்றுமையை சீர்குலைப்பது போல நடப்பது வழக்கமாகி விட்டது. அதிலும் ஏப்ரல் மாதம் வந்து விட்டால் காவிரிப் பிரச்சினையை கொண்டு வந்து விடுவார்கள்.

கர்நாடக சகோதரர்களைக் கேட்டுக் கொள்கிறேன். தமிழர்களாகிய நாங்கள் உங்களுக்கு என்ன தவறு செய்தோம். நீங்கள் வாழ்கிற வீட்டைக் கட்டித் தருவது சேலத்தைச் சேர்ந்த, கிருஷ்ணகிரியைச் சேர்ந்த தமிழர்கள். அங்கிருந்து வரும் கொத்தனார்கள்.

நீங்கள் விவசாயம் செய்யவும், உழுவதற்கும், பராமரிப்பதற்கும் தமிழர்கள் அனைத்து வசதிகளையும் செய்து தருகிறார்கள்.

சாலைகள் போடுவது, தார் போடுவது என அனைத்து உழைப்புகளையும் உங்களுக்காக தமிழர்கள் செய்து தருகிறார்கள். இப்படி தமிழர்களின் உழைப்புகளையெல்லாம் வாங்கிக் கொண்டு தண்ணீருக்காக அவர்களை ஒதுக்கி வைப்பது எந்த வகையில் நியாயம்.

நீங்கள் செய்யும் வன்முறைகளையும், கொடுமைகளையும் மறக்கவும், மன்னிக்கவும் தமிழர்களாகிய எங்களுக்கு பக்குவம் உள்ளது. திருந்தி விடுங்கள். திருந்திக் கொள்ளுங்கள்.

ஒரு தாய் பிள்ளைகளாக வாழ வேண்டும். காவிரி என்றால் எங்களுக்கு சொந்தம் என்கிறீர்கள். ஓகேனக்கல் என்றால் அதுவும் எங்களுக்கு சொந்தம் என்கிறீர்கள். என்ன நினைத்துக் கொண்டிருக்கிறீர்கள் என்றார் ஆவேசமாக.

நான் உங்களுடன் இருக்கிறேன்-பிரகாஷ் ராஜ்:

எந்த பிரச்சினையாக இருந்தாலும் ஏன் சினிமாக்காரர்களை தாக்குகிறார்கள் என்று தெரியவில்லை. அது தவறு. வன்முறையில் கன்னடக்காரர்கள் ஈடுபட்டாலும், தமிழர்கள் ஈடுபட்டாலும், தெலுங்கர்கள் ஈடுபட்டாலும் அது தவறு. இந்தப் பிரச்சினைக்கு விரைவில் தீர்வு வர வேண்டும். உங்களுடன் நான் இருக்கிறேன் என்றார்.

[leosimha]

we IT guys have very less interaction with the kannadiga public there... and i have never seen them speakin about such issues... maybe they dont want to bring up this...

but my colleague who is living in bangalore since birth, yesterday when i brought up this issue, he rubbished the protest by the politicians here... sayin its all election gimmick...

he spoke like, ivangalukku vera velai illa...

true...but only very few are like this. but if you talk to some of the people from interior karnataka, they also say political mileage but inside they do have a jealous feeling towards tamilians

[cm123]

we IT guys have very less interaction with the kannadiga public there... and i have never seen them speakin about such issues... maybe they dont want to bring up this...

but my colleague who is living in bangalore since birth, yesterday when i brought up this issue, he rubbished the protest by the politicians here... sayin its all election gimmick...

he spoke like, ivangalukku vera velai illa...

true...but only very few are like this. but if you talk to some of the people from interior karnataka, they also say political mileage but inside they do have a jealous feeling towards tamilians

It was created by politicians by keep on the issue for decades..

[leosimha]

thala in chepauk - http://i32.tinypic.com/oayhya.jpg

[selvakumar]

there was some agreement for several decades and karnataka was honouring it. we shud not tell they didn't honour it.

anga vivasayi vevesayam parka koodathu naama solla mudiyathu.
they have started vevasayam and demanding water. their politicians are left with no choice but to dishonour the agreement.

the root cause of this problem is dividing states on linguistic basis. was it rajaji who opposed it?
:huh: did I ? I was speaking about the developments in the last few years. I never said that the farmers there should not do their work. But everything is regulated as per the irrigation authority. Any state government cannot approve irrigation projects just like that. If their farmers need CAUVERY water, then state governement should seek central govt's permission only. they cannot take the water and supply that simply. Moreover they can't stand with the farmers too.

(If you think like that) Since HOGENAKKAL is in our area, we can very well make krishnagiri and dharmapuri districts as thanjavur by sucking the entire water (like karnataka)

[leosimha]

there was some agreement for several decades and karnataka was honouring it. we shud not tell they didn't honour it.

anga vivasayi vevesayam parka koodathu naama solla mudiyathu.
they have started vevasayam and demanding water. their politicians are left with no choice but to dishonour the agreement.

the root cause of this problem is dividing states on linguistic basis. was it rajaji who opposed it?
:huh: did I ? I was speaking about the developments in the last few years. I never said that the farmers there should not do their work. But everything is regulated as per the irrigation authority. Any state government cannot approve irrigation projects just like that. If their farmers need CAUVERY water, then state governement should seek central govt's permission only. they cannot take the water and supply that simply. Moreover they can't stand with the farmers too.

(If you think like that) Since HOGENAKKAL is in our area, we can very well make krishnagiri and dharmapuri districts as thanjavur by sucking the entire water (like karnataka)

Selva, According to Water Body, everybody is free to use water, all these issues came after the building of dams and controversial signing of agreement 100 years back. :banghead:

[selvakumar]

Selva, According to Water Body, everybody is free to use water, all these issues came after the building of dams and controversial signing of agreement 100 years back. :banghead:
thanni vantha thaanae use panna mudiyum. Prachanaiyae thanni ingae varalennu thaanae :?: :lol:

[leosimha]

Selva, According to Water Body, everybody is free to use water, all these issues came after the building of dams and controversial signing of agreement 100 years back. :banghead:
thanni vantha thaanae use panna mudiyum. Prachanaiyae thanni ingae varalennu thaanae :?: :lol:

hmm...all these things should have been taken care when they had signed to build dam and some agreement, a dam was built for the betterment of everybody but now it has taken a toll.

it's a never ending problem.

[joe]

Selva, According to Water Body, everybody is free to use water, all these issues came after the building of dams and controversial signing of agreement 100 years back. :banghead:
thanni vantha thaanae use panna mudiyum. Prachanaiyae thanni ingae varalennu thaanae :?: :lol:

I think the main problem is some people tend to think and make other also to think Cavery belongs to karnataka ,since it is orginated there.

[leosimha]

Selva, According to Water Body, everybody is free to use water, all these issues came after the building of dams and controversial signing of agreement 100 years back. :banghead:
thanni vantha thaanae use panna mudiyum. Prachanaiyae thanni ingae varalennu thaanae :?: :lol:

I think the main problem is some people tend to think and make other also to think Cavery belongs to karnataka ,since it is orginated there.

yeah...people in Karnataka believe that Cauvery belongs to them. long back, Also I heard they are having plans to divert cauvery? :shock: might be a rumour or some gimmick played.

but what I heard was the then cauvery used to pass through chennai :shock: and the cauvery river was diverted through trichy-tanjore delta by the then kings. chola kings?

don't know how far it is true.

[Billgates]

Hope our hubbers are aware that some rivers are being shared between India & Pakistan !

The pact was mutually agreed & being settled amicably

Why 2 states within our country couldnt resolve ?

[leosimha]

Hope our hubbers are aware that some rivers are being shared between India & Pakistan !

The pact was mutually agreed & being settled amicably

Why 2 states within our country couldnt resolve ?

yes, Billa gates, the issue between Ind and Pak was regulated by an International Water regulating body/authority.

But in India? Karnataka has problems with Andhra relating Krishna water and with TN for Cauvery.

[joe]

Hope our hubbers are aware that some rivers are being shared between India & Pakistan !

The pact was mutually agreed & being settled amicably

Why 2 states within our country couldnt resolve ?

Eppavuvme PangaaLi sandai-la thaan veempu athigam :(

[podalangai]

Not sure What it was intended for !! :confused2: The Problem is not with how we divide ourselves. Even in Country like US there is water problem (between States) you don't get to see people screwing each others happiness which is instigated by there leaders :( They are still trying to find alternative solutions than creating new issues to harm people. :(

Of course the problem is how we divide ourselves. That is precisely why a dispute between Karnataka and Tamil Nadu always becomes an issue between Kannadigas and Tamils - unlike a dispute between, say, Arizona and Nevada, which remains a dispute between Arizona and Nevada, and never becomes a point of hatred between Arizonans and Nevadans.

[selvakumar]

I think the main problem is some people tend to think and make other also to think Cavery belongs to karnataka ,since it is orginated there.
Ponniyin Selvan la vanthiya thevan cauvery vazhiya varuvaar: makkal ellorum cauvery aatru padugayil chithrannamum matrum pala pandangalum saappittathaa oru narration varum. Chithrannam ingae ulla oru main sappadu item. hmm... antha kaalathula kooda prachani illa pola.. esp when we had many small small kingdoms :sigh2:

[wrap07]

There has never been a problem among various states earlier. The reason is Politicians at that time were sincere and worried about unity of the Country and made sure no problem comes.

Even now, if any major decision taken by the Central Government in a fair manner is maintained without pulls and pressures in contentious issues, problems can be solved.

Importantly, the Media should be restricted and warned not to sensationalise things. These media for their livelihood and competition, are spoiling the peace and co-existence of everyone of us.

[selvakumar]

I am not worried with media hyping everything. Ofcourse, TN media should do that. If not now, then when ? Karnataka is claiming a land that is part of TN (and that too after 60+ years of independence). Reason : TN is going to have a drinking water project.
I am personally happy with the protests happening in TN. Before that, people will just shout in front of the media and media will just write it and forget it

[wrap07]

We can visualise what Mahakavi Bharathiyar had said about sharing of not only water, bridges as also products from deep north to deep south. It is called pandamarru murai.

[sarna_blr]

we IT guys have very less interaction with the kannadiga public there... and i have never seen them speakin about such issues... maybe they dont want to bring up this...

but my colleague who is living in bangalore since birth, yesterday when i brought up this issue, he rubbished the protest by the politicians here... sayin its all election gimmick...

he spoke like, ivangalukku vera velai illa...

SS...idhayEdhaan rendu moonu pages'ku munnaala kurippittEn...yaarumE kandukkala... (ennOda pEchcha seriousaave edukka maattEnguraanga...seriousaa pEsunaalum).... :(

[wrap07]

I am not worried with media hyping everything. Ofcourse, TN media should do that. If not now, then when ? Karnataka is claiming a land that is part of TN (and that too after 60+ years of independence). Reason : TN is going to have a drinking water project.
I am personally happy with the protests happening in TN. Before that, people will just shout in front of the media and media will just write it and forget it

You are talking out of the emotionl mood u are in. That is quite allright and well understood. No body can keep quiet.

My point was in the larger intersts of the Country in many contentious issues like this. How to avoid these issues becoming day to day affair and how every state has to be treated fairly.

I am firm in my opinion that Media has spoiled many a lives by sensationalising things and repeating a falsehood to the extent that truth is forgotten. Media never talks about good things but ignite passions and ferment trouble.

What I have mentioned above is in the general context and not related to this boiling issue wherein Justice is denied to Tamil nadu

[Corleone]

Hope our hubbers are aware that some rivers are being shared between India & Pakistan !

The pact was mutually agreed & being settled amicably

Why 2 states within our country couldnt resolve ?

Indus is one of the largest perennial rivers in the world. it offers surplus amount of water throughout the year....so there is no question of water sharing dispute.

But Kaveri is a non-perennial river with a lot of dependence on seasonal rains....it flows through very densely populated agricultural regions too.....hence the dispute.

[sarna_blr]

Hope our hubbers are aware that some rivers are being shared between India & Pakistan !

The pact was mutually agreed & being settled amicably

Why 2 states within our country couldnt resolve ?

Indus is one of the largest perennial rivers in the world. it offers surplus amount of water throughout the year....so there is no question of water sharing dispute.

But Kaveri is a non-perennial river with a lot of dependence on seasonal rains....it flows through very densely populated agricultural regions too.....hence the dispute.

Carolene... thanniya pirichchu kudukkuradhu actual problem'E kedayaadhu.... adha saakkaa vachchu pannura arasiyal gimmicks... :x

[kannannn]

Not sure What it was intended for !! :confused2: The Problem is not with how we divide ourselves. Even in Country like US there is water problem (between States) you don't get to see people screwing each others happiness which is instigated by there leaders :( They are still trying to find alternative solutions than creating new issues to harm people. :(

Of course the problem is how we divide ourselves. That is precisely why a dispute between Karnataka and Tamil Nadu always becomes an issue between Kannadigas and Tamils - unlike a dispute between, say, Arizona and Nevada, which remains a dispute between Arizona and Nevada, and never becomes a point of hatred between Arizonans and Nevadans.

enna podalangai ippadi sollittinga. There is no problem on the ground. It is all the doings of our politicians (only TN politicians, mind you!!). Crops dying from unseasonal flooding and setting up of Cauvery Tribunal, are parts of an elaborate conspiracy plan by the TN govt. to keep the general public believing that there is a problem. Thanjavoor pakkam vandu paarunga, eppadi thanniya padhukki vachirukkangannu..

[cm123]

Not sure What it was intended for !! :confused2: The Problem is not with how we divide ourselves. Even in Country like US there is water problem (between States) you don't get to see people screwing each others happiness which is instigated by there leaders :( They are still trying to find alternative solutions than creating new issues to harm people. :(

Of course the problem is how we divide ourselves. That is precisely why a dispute between Karnataka and Tamil Nadu always becomes an issue between Kannadigas and Tamils - unlike a dispute between, say, Arizona and Nevada, which remains a dispute between Arizona and Nevada, and never becomes a point of hatred between Arizonans and Nevadans.

enna podalangai ippadi sollittinga. There is no problem on the ground. It is all the doings of our politicians (only TN politicians, mind you!!). Crops dying from unseasonal flooding and setting up of Cauvery Tribunal, are parts of an elaborate conspiracy plan by the TN govt. to keep the general public believing that there is a problem. Thanjavoor pakkam vandu paarunga, eppadi thanniya padhukki vachirukkangannu..

konjam vilakkama sollunga nanum Thanjavur pakkam than..

[kannannn]

cm123, that was a response to suggestions that our actions on river disputes are unjustified. Kaduppula
ezhudhinadhu..

[podalangai]

enna podalangai ippadi sollittinga. There is no problem on the ground. It is all the doings of our politicians (only TN politicians, mind you!!). Crops dying from unseasonal flooding and setting up of Cauvery Tribunal, are parts of an elaborate conspiracy plan by the TN govt. to keep the general public believing that there is a problem. Thanjavoor pakkam vandu paarunga, eppadi thanniya padhukki vachirukkangannu..

:P

Classic Kannann style - one of the things I've missed about the Hub during my enforced absence.

[podalangai]

cm123, that was a response to suggestions that our actions on river disputes are unjustified. Kaduppula
ezhudhinadhu..
A TN politician - I think it was Vaiko - said that handing the management of river water over to the central government is the best way (possibly the only way) to free it from the sort of petty regionalism we see nowadays. I'm not too sure it would help, given the realities of coalition politics in the Centre.

Perhaps the only solution is to constitute a National Water Resources Management Commission, stuffed to the gills with technocrats and armed with a body of international advisors, give it constitutional status as an independent body, and leave the management of rivers, irrigation, lakes, underground water and other such things to it. Then it'd no longer be a question of TN vs. Karnataka vs. Kerala, but a simple issue of how the limited water resources available in southern India can be best managed to provide as much irrigation and drinking water as possible, without destroying the local ecology or lowering the water table to unsustainable levels.

[sarna_blr]

R_R anumadhi illaamalE copy/paste... :)


சென்னை: கர்நாடக அரசை மத்திய அரசு அறிவுறுத்த வேண்டும் என்று சுமமா கூறிக் கொண்டிருக்காதீர்கள். மத்திய அரசை கடுமையாக கண்டியுங்கள். அது தனது பொறுப்பை செய்ய வேண்டும் என்று கடுமையாக கூறுங்கள் என்று நடிகர் விஜயகாந்த் கூறியுள்ளார்.

திரையுலக உண்ணாவிரதப் போராட்டத்தில் கலந்து கொண்ட விஜயகாந்த் பிற்பகல் 1.30 மணியளவில் பேசினார். அவரது பேச்சில் மத்திய அரசை கடுமையாக சாடினார்.

விஜயகாந்த் பேசுகையில், தண்ணீர் பிரச்சினை, கர்நாடகம் தண்ணீர் தர வேண்டும் என்று பேசினார்கள். அது அல்ல பிரச்சினை. நமது தண்ணீரை நாம் எடுக்க விட மாட்டேன் என்கிறார்கள் என்பதே பிரச்சினை.

அவர்கள் நமக்கு ஒதுக்கிய தண்ணீரின் அளவிலும், குறைந்த அளவில்தான் தண்ணீர் எடுக்க திட்டமிட்டுள்ளோம். ஆனால் அதை எடுக்கத்தான் பிரச்சினை இப்போது.

அங்கு தேர்தல் நடக்கவுள்ளதால் அங்கு இருப்பவர்கள் அரசியல் செய்கிறார்கள். இங்கு இருப்பவர்களும் செய்ய வேண்டிய சூழ்நிலை. இதில் பலிகடாவாகியிருப்பது தமிழ்த் திரைப்படங்கள்தான், திரைத்துறையினர்தான்.

தமிழில் ஒரு பழமொழி சொல்வார்கள். வந்தாரை வாழ வைக்கும் தமிழ்நாடு என்பார்கள். வந்தவரை எல்லாம் தமிழகம் வாழ வைத்துக் கொண்டுதான் உள்ளது. எல்லா மொழியும், எல்லா மக்களும் ஒன்றுதான் என்று தமிழ் மக்கள் நினைத்துக் கொண்டுதான் உள்ளனர்.

அங்குள்ள கன்னட மக்களும் அப்படித்தான் நினைக்கிறார்கள். ஆனால் சில அரசியல்வாதிகள் சுய நலத்துக்காக எதை ஆயுதமாக எடுக்க வேண்டுமோ அதை எடுத்து செயல்படுகிறார்கள்.

சரி, இந்தப் பிரச்சினைக்கு எப்போதுதான் தீர்வு முதலில் பெங்களூரில் தேர்தல் முடிய வேண்டும். அங்கு அரசு அமைய வேண்டும். ஒரு முதல்வர் அமர வேண்டும். அதன் பிறகு என்ன செய்வது என்று யோசிக்க வேண்டும். ஆனால் அங்கு வரும் முதல்வர் இந்தப் பிரச்சினையை தீர்ப்பாரா அல்லது புதிய பிரச்சினையை கிளப்புவாரா என்பது தெரியாது.

நாம் சூடாகப் பேசி விட்டு போய் விடலாம். ஆனால் என்ன பிரயோஜனம்?. அங்கிருக்கிற தமிழர்கள், தங்களது பாதுகாப்புக்காக கன்னட அமைப்புகளில் சேர வேண்டிய நிலை.

அங்குள்ள கவர்னரே நீதிமன்றத் தீர்ப்புகளை ஏற்க மாட்டோம் என்கிறார். இவர்களை யார் கண்டிப்பது மத்திய அரசுதான் கண்டிக்க வேண்டும்.

எல்லோரும் மத்திய அரசு, கர்நாடக அரசிடம் சொல்ல வேண்டும், சொல்ல வேண்டும் என்கிறார்கள். அது என்ன சொல்ல வேண்டும் என்று கூறுவது?.

மத்திய அரசை கண்டிக்க வேண்டும். அதைத் தைரியமாக நீங்கள் பேசுங்கள். ஓட்டு மட்டும் நம்மிடம் வாங்கினார்களே, பிறகு என்ன மத்திய அரசிடம் கோரிக்கை வைப்பது? உத்தரவு போடுங்கள். ஏன் பயம்?, எதற்குப் பயம்?.

குடிநீருக்கு யாராக இருந்தாலும் உடனடியாக தண்ணீர் தர வேண்டும். அதுதான் தர்மம். அதன் பிறகுதான் நீர்ப்பாசனம், மற்ற பயன்பாடுகளுக்கு.

இங்கு உண்ணாவிரதம் இருந்தால் அங்கும் போட்டி உண்ணாவிரதம் இருக்கிறார்கள். இங்கு நடப்பதைக் காட்டும் டிவி, அங்கு நடப்பதையும் காட்டுகிறது. மாற்றி மாற்றிக் காட்டுகிறது.

தண்ணீர் உரிமையைப் பெறும் தைரியம் இங்கு யாரிடம் இருக்கிறது. தைரியத்தோடு செய்ய வேண்டும். அப்போதுதான் அது உருப்படும். சும்மா பேசுவதால் பிரயோஜனம் இல்லை.

எல்லோரும் இந்தியர்கள் என்று சொல்கிறோம். அப்படியானால் மத்திய அரசு தலையிட்டு பிரச்சினையைத் தீர்க்க வேண்டாமா?. மத்திய அரசுதான் தீர்க்க வேண்டும். அதற்கு அங்கு முறையான தலைமை இருக்க வேண்டும்.

கூட்டணி இருக்கிறது. ஆனால் என்ன பிரயோஜனம். ஒன்றுமே இல்லை. தமிழகம், மேப்பில் கடைசியில் இருக்கிறது என்பதற்காக வஞ்சிக்கிறீர்களா?.

இந்தப் பிரச்சினைக்காக சட்டமன்றத்திலும் குரல் கொடுத்தேன். எதற்கெடுத்தாலும் போராட்டம் என்று, போராடி போராடி தமிழக மக்கள் அலுத்துப் போய் நிற்கிறார்கள்.

எனவே இதற்கு விமோச்சனம் வர வேண்டும். அது மக்கள் கையில்தான் இருக்கிறது என்றார் விஜயகாந்த்.

பேசி முடித்ததும் நேராக ரஜினியிடம் போய் கை குலுக்கி வணங்கி உண்ணாவிரதப் பந்தலிலிருந்து கிளம்பிச் சென்றார் விஜயகாந்த்.

உண்ணாவிரதத்திற்கு வந்தபோதும் சரி, விடைபெற்றபோதும் சரி சரத்குமாரை நேருக்கு நேர் பார்ப்பதைத் தவிர்த்து விட்டார் விஜயகாந்த்.

http://thatstamil.oneindia.in/news/2008/04/04/tn-condemn-centre-for-its-lethargy-says-vijayakant.html

:clap: :notworthy:

:clap: :bow:

[Billgates]

We can visualise what Mahakavi Bharathiyar had said about sharing of not only water, bridges as also products from deep north to deep south. It is called pandamarru murai.

Barathi was dreaming about the excess flow of Ganges getting diverted to Central States. That was truely a great vision !

[Billgates]

cm123, that was a response to suggestions that our actions on river disputes are unjustified. Kaduppula
ezhudhinadhu..
A TN politician - I think it was Vaiko - said that handing the management of river water over to the central government is the best way (possibly the only way) to free it from the sort of petty regionalism we see nowadays. I'm not too sure it would help, given the realities of coalition politics in the Centre.

Perhaps the only solution is to constitute a National Water Resources Management Commission, stuffed to the gills with technocrats and armed with a body of international advisors, give it constitutional status as an independent body, and leave the management of rivers, irrigation, lakes, underground water and other such things to it. Then it'd no longer be a question of TN vs. Karnataka vs. Kerala, but a simple issue of how the limited water resources available in southern India can be best managed to provide as much irrigation and drinking water as possible, without destroying the local ecology or lowering the water table to unsustainable levels.

Thats a very good thought process ! :D
sans involvement of politicians !

[kannannn]

Perhaps the only solution is to constitute a National Water Resources Management Commission, stuffed to the gills with technocrats and armed with a body of international advisors, give it constitutional status as an independent body, and leave the management of rivers, irrigation, lakes, underground water and other such things to it. Then it'd no longer be a question of TN vs. Karnataka vs. Kerala, but a simple issue of how the limited water resources available in southern India can be best managed to provide as much irrigation and drinking water as possible, without destroying the local ecology or lowering the water table to unsustainable levels.

The operational word being 'National'. I think the main drawback of tribunals is the very fact that they are setup to provide short term solutions to regional problems (not to forget the increasing unpredictability of monsoons). Nationalisation would probably remove any impression of regional bias (when well performing states are made to contribute to the development of less performing states, this should not at all be an issue). Hmm.. there is however this nagging reminder of what keeps happening to supreme court orders (which constitutional entity could be more independent)!!

Finally, if India and Pakistan can peacefully share waters, I don't see any reason why we should not.

[podalangai]

The operational word being 'National'. I think the main drawback of tribunals is the very fact that they are setup to provide short term solutions to regional problems (not to forget the increasing unpredictability of monsoons).

That's one. A bigger issue is that tribunals follow a judicialised process, with each state appointing lawyers and presenting arguments. That is no way to decide how to allocate rives waters, which, at the end of the day, is not a legal question and cannot be decided through a trial.

And an even bigger issue is the fact that each tribunal has to consider the issue before it in isolation. So, for example, a tribunal can't look cumulatively at the best way to share the waters of the Kaveri, Periyar, Krishna and other rivers, plus lakes, plus the groundwater, plus rainwater percolating through undefined channels. It can't look to inefficiencies in managing other resources and their impact on the demand for Kaveri water. No, it has to look only at the sharing of Kaveri waters. This is is a very stupid way of going about things.


Nationalisation would probably remove any impression of regional bias (when well performing states are made to contribute to the development of less performing states, this should not at all be an issue). Hmm.. there is however this nagging reminder of what keeps happening to supreme court orders (which constitutional entity could be more independent)!!

That's because the Supreme Court depends on the executive to enforce its orders. An independent authority wouldn't. Think of the Election Commission as a model (without the politics that've begun to trickle into the appointment of election commissioners). What we'd have is a situation where the people with the power to decide where to build dams, where to run canals, and the engineers running the dams and canals would all report to the National Commission, rather than to state governments. So enforcement won't really be an issue.

[leosimha]

I am not worried with media hyping everything. Ofcourse, TN media should do that. If not now, then when ? Karnataka is claiming a land that is part of TN (and that too after 60+ years of independence). Reason : TN is going to have a drinking water project.
I am personally happy with the protests happening in TN. Before that, people will just shout in front of the media and media will just write it and forget it

You are talking out of the emotionl mood u are in. That is quite allright and well understood. No body can keep quiet.

My point was in the larger intersts of the Country in many contentious issues like this. How to avoid these issues becoming day to day affair and how every state has to be treated fairly.

I am firm in my opinion that Media has spoiled many a lives by sensationalising things and repeating a falsehood to the extent that truth is forgotten. Media never talks about good things but ignite passions and ferment trouble.

What I have mentioned above is in the general context and not related to this boiling issue wherein Justice is denied to Tamil nadu

I second wrap07. We need to build unity. What has happened to Unity in Diversity. These we don't see Nationalism but Regionalism, Casteism, overtaking other major issues.

[SoftSword]

அரசியல் செய்யாதீர்கள்-கர்நாடகத்துக்கு ரஜினி சூடு
வெள்ளிக்கிழமை, ஏப்ரல் 4, 2008




ஓகேனக்கல் விவகாரத்தில் கர்நாடக அரசியல்வாதிகளுக்கு ரஜினி கடும் கண்டனம் தெரிவித்தார்.

தமிழ்த் திரையுலகினர் நடத்திய உண்ணாவிரதப் போராட்டத்தில் பேசிய ரஜினி,

ஓகேனக்கல் கூட்டு குடிநீர்த் திட்டம் ஏற்கனவே இரு மாநில ஒப்பந்தம் மூலம் முடிவான ஒன்று. அதற்கு கர்நாடக அரசியல்வாதிகள் எதிர்ப்பு தெரிவிப்பது வேதனையாக உள்ளது.

தேர்தலுக்காக இப்படி பேசுவது அழகல்ல. மற்றவர்கள் பேசுவது கூட பரவாயில்லை. தேசிய கட்சிகளின் தலைவர்கள் (எதியூரப்பா) கூட இந்த திட்டத்திற்கு எதிராக பேசுவது மிகவும் வருந்தத்தக்கது.

இந்த பிரச்னைக்கு உடனடியாக தீர்வு காண வேண்டும். நகத்தால் கிள்ளி எறிய வேண்டிய இந்த பிரச்னைக்கு இப்ப*ோது தீர்வு காணாவிட்டால், பிறகு கோடாலி கொண்டும் வெட்டி தீர்வு காண முடியாது.

இந்த அரசியல் விளையாட்டில் பாதிக்கப்படுவது மிகச் சாதாரண மக்கள் தான். இதனால் உண்மையைப் பேசுங்கள், அரசியல் லாபத்துக்காக எதையும் பேசாதீர்கள் என்றார் ஆவேசமாக.

[leosimha]

Hats off to Mr. Rajinikanth :clap:

[SoftSword]

complete speech of thalaivar...
very aggressive and straighforward...

அரசியலுக்காக ஆட்டம் போடாதீர்கள்; அழிந்துவிடுவீர்கள்-கர்நாடகத்துக்கு ரஜினி சூடு
வெள்ளிக்கிழமை, ஏப்ரல் 4, 2008


நான் பெரிதாக மதிக்கிற கர்நாடக அரசியல்வாதிகள் அனைவருமே இன்று அரசியல்ஆதாயத்துக்காக ஆட்டம் போடுகிறார்கள். அவர்களை எச்சரிக்கிறேன்... அரசியலுக்காக ஆட்டம் போடாதீர்கள்; அழிந்துவிடுவீர்கள் என்று கடும் எச்சரிக்கை விடுத்தார் நடிகர் ரஜினிகாந்த்.

தமிழ்த் திரையுலகினர் நடத்திய உண்ணாவிரதப் போராட்டத்தில் பேசிய ரஜினி,

இது ஒரு வித்தியாசமான சந்திப்பு என்றுதான் சொல்ல வேண்டும். மிகவும் அதிகமாகப் பேசி புகழ் பெறுவதும் கஷ்டம், குறைவாகப் பேசி புகழ் பெறுவதும் கஷ்டம். இங்கே பேசியவர்கள் மிகவும் உணர்ச்சி வசப்பட்டார்கள். நியாயம்தான். நடந்துள்ள விஷயங்கள் அனைத்தும் மனதுக்கு மிகவும் வேதனையைத் தருவதாக உள்ளன.

குறிப்பாக கர்நாடகாவில் தமிழ் மக்கள் தாக்கப்பட்டதற்கு எனது கடுமையான கண்டனத்தைத் தெரிவித்துக் கொள்கிறேன். தமிழ் மக்கள் மீதான வன்முறைக்குக் காரணமானவர்களைக் கண்டிக்கிறேன்.

பல ஆண்டுகளுக்கு முன்பே ஓகேனக்கல்லின் ஒரு பகுதி கர்நாடகாவுக்கும், மறுபகுதி தமிழகத்துக்கும என ஒதுக்கப்பட்டது. தனக்காக ஒதுக்கப்பட்ட பகுதியிலிருந்து தண்ணீர் எடுத்துக்கொள்ள தமிழகத்தை எதிர்ப்பது எந்த விதத்தில் நியாயம்... உதைக்க வேண்டாமா, இதை எதிர்ப்பவர்களை.

நாடு எங்கே போய்க் கொண்டிருக்கிறது. அரசு, சுப்ரீம் கோர்ட் எல்லாம் இருக்கிறதா... மக்கள் யார் பேச்சைக் கேட்கிறார்கள்... யார் சொன்னால் கேட்பார்கள்... புரியவில்லை.

என்ன நடந்தாலும் கைகட்டி வேடிக்கைப் பார்க்க எதற்கு அரசாங்கம்? இந்த வட்டாள்... நாராயணகவுடாவை எல்லாம் விடுங்கள்.

கொஞ்சம் பெரிய தலைவர்கள் ரேஞ்சுக்குப் பேசுவோம்.

கர்நாடகத்தைச் சேர்ந்த நான் மிகவும் மதிக்கிற ஒரு தலைவர் அவர் (எதியூரப்பா). ஒரு பெரிய கட்சியின் சார்பில் முதல்வராகக் கூட இருந்தவர். சில தினங்களுக்கு முன் அவர் கர்நாடக மக்களைத் தூண்டிவிடும் வித்த்தில் பேசியிருக்கிறார். இதை அந்தக் கட்சி (பாஜக) சும்மா வேடிக்கைப் பார்த்துக் கொண்டிருக்கிறது.

காரணம் அங்கே விரைவில் வரப்போகிற சட்டசபைத் தேர்தல். அரசியல் ஆதாயத்துக்காக அப்படிச் செய்கிறார்கள். மக்கள் என்ன முட்டாள்களா.. அவர்களுக்கு ஒன்றுமே தெரியாதா...?

எல்லாவற்றையும் மேலிருந்து பார்த்துக் கொண்டிருக்கும் கடவுளுக்குச் சமமானவர்கள் மக்கள். அவர்களை யாரும் ஏமாற்ற முடியாது. உண்மையாகப் பேச வேண்டும். மனசாட்சிக்கு விரோதமில்லாமல் நடந்து கொள்ள வேண்டாம்.

மக்களுக்கு ஒரு நாள் நீங்கள் பதில் சொல்லியே தீர வேண்டும். நான் கர்நாடகத்திலிருக்கும் மதிப்புக்குரிய தேவ கெளவுடா, குமாரசாமி, எடியூரப்பா, சித்தராமையா போன்றவர்களுக்கு ஒன்று சொல்லிக் கொள்கிறேன். அரசியலுக்காக ஆட்டம் போடாதீர்கள்... அப்புறம் நீங்கள் இருக்க மாட்டீர்கள். அழிந்து போவீர்கள்.

இந்த பிரச்னைக்கு உடனடியாக தீர்வு காண வேண்டும். நகத்தால் கிள்ளி எறிய வேண்டிய இந்த பிரச்னைக்கு இப்ப*ோது தீர்வு காணாவிட்டால், பிறகு கோடாலி கொண்டும் வெட்டி தீர்வு காண முடியாது.

இந்த அரசியல் விளையாட்டில் பாதிக்கப்படுவது மிகச் சாதாரண மக்கள் தான். இதனால் உண்மையைப் பேசுங்கள், அரசியல் லாபத்துக்காக எதையும் பேசாதீர்கள் என்றார் ஆவேசமாக.

hats off... for speakin against them when there is a need...

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வந்தாரை வாழ வைக்கும் தமிழகம் என்று பேசிக் கொண்டிருக்காதீர்கள். அப்படியே பேசிக் கொண்டிருந்தால் நீ கேன.... ஆகி விடுவாய். வாலாட்டினால் ஒட்ட நறுக்கவும் தெரியணும். அவன்தான் தமிழன். குனிந்து கொண்டே இருந்தால் குதிரை ஏறிக் கொண்டுதான் இருப்பார்கள். குனியாதே, நிமிர்ந்து நில்.


குனிந்து கொண்டே இருந்தால் குதிரை ஏறத்தான் செய்வார்கள் என்று நாம் பயப்படத் தேவையில்லை. நாம் எழுந்திரித்தால் அவர்கள் விழுந்து விடுவார்கள். எனவே பயப்பட வேண்டாம

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சென்னை: கடந்த 40 வருடங்களாக மராட்டியத்திலும், மலேசியாவிலும், ஈழத்திலும், இப்போது கர்நாடகத்திலும் தமிழனின் கண்களைப் பிடுங்கிக் கொண்டிருக்கிறார்கள். இதை இனியும் தமிழர்கள் அனுமதிக்கக் கூடாது என்று நடிகர் சத்யராஜ் கூறியுள்ளார்.

உண்ணாவிரத்தில் சத்யராஜ் பேசுகையில், இங்கு யாருடைய பெயரைச் சொன்னால் எனக்குக் கைத்தட்டல் கிடைக்குமோ, அந்தப் பெயரைச் சொல்வதை விட, நாக்கைப் பிடுங்கிக் கொண்டு சாவேன். கர்நாடகத்தில் தமிழனை கன்னடக்காரர்கள் தாக்கிக் கொண்டுள்ளனர். அதைப் பற்றி மட்டும்தான் இங்கு பேசுவேன்.

இதுவரை என்னை மனிதன் என்று சொல்லிக் கொள்ள ஆசைப்பட்டேன். ஆனால் இன்று முதல் என்னை தமிழன் என்று சொல்லிக் கொள்ள ஆசைப்படுகிறேன்.

அப்படியானால் தமிழன் மனிதன் இல்லையா என்ற சந்தேகம் வரும். தமிழன் மனிதன் இல்லை, வெறும் மரம் என்றுதான் அவர்கள் நினைத்துக் கொண்டிருக்கிறார்கள்.

மரமாக இருந்தால் என்ன நடக்கும்? நாய் வந்து ஒண்ணுக்கு அடிக்கும். பிறகு எவனாவது வந்து மரத்தை வெட்டி எடுத்துக் கொண்டு போய் கட்டில் செய்து கால் மேல் கால் போட்டு ஆட்டிக் கொண்டிருப்பான். டேபிள் செய்து அதில் உட்காருவான். மொத்தத்தில் அந்த மரத்திற்கு மரியாதையே இல்லாமல் போய் விடும். எனவே தமிழா, நீ மரமாக இருக்காதே, மனிதனாகவும் இருக்காதே, தமிழனாக இரு என்று சொல்கிறேன்.

காந்தி சொன்னார் கண்ணுக்கு கண் என்று ஆரம்பித்தால் உலகில் உள்ள 600 கோடி பேரும் குருடனாகத்தான் இருப்பார்கள். கடைசியில் உலகில் அத்தனை பேரும் குருடனாகி விடுவார்கள் என்றார். ஆனால் தமிழனுடைய கண்ணை 40 ஆண்டுகளுக்கு முன்பே பிடுங்க ஆரம்பித்து விட்டார்கள்.

முதலில் மகாராஷ்டிரத்தில் பால்தாக்கரே என்ற ஆள் பிடுங்கினார். பின்னர் மலேசியாவில் பிடுங்கினார்கள். ஈழத்தில் பிடுங்கினார்கள். இன்று கர்நாடகத்திலும் பிடுங்க ஆரம்பித்து விட்டார்கள்.

எனவே காந்தி சொல்வதை இன்று கடைப்பிடிப்பதாக இருந்தால் உலகில் உள்ள 10 கோடித் தமிழர்களும் குருடனாக இருப்பார்கள். மற்ற 690 கோடி பேரும் பார்வையுடன் திரிவார்கள். ஏற்கனவே தமிழன் சிந்தனைக் குருடனாக, கருத்துக் குருடனாக இருக்கிறான். கண்ணும் போய் விட்டால் தலைமுடி மாதிரிதான் இருக்கும் அவனது வாழ்க்கை.

40 வருடங்களுக்கு முன்பு எம்.ஜி.ஆர், தமிழக முதல்வராக இருந்தபோது, கர்நாடகத்தில் குண்டுராவ் முதல்வராக இருந்தார். அவர் எம்.ஜி.ஆரின் தீவிர ரசிகர். ஒருமுறை குண்டுராவ் வீட்டுக்கு எம்.ஜி.ஆர். போயிருந்தார். மட்டன், சிக்கன் என அனைத்தும் செய்து போட்டார்கள். எம்.ஜிஆரும் சாப்பிட்டார்.

ஆனால் அவர்கள் வைத்த தண்ணீரை மட்டும் குடிக்க மாட்டேன் என்று கூறி விட்டார். எனது மக்கள் தண்ணீர் இல்லாமல் தவிக்கிறார்கள். எனக்கு மட்டும் எதற்கு உங்கள் தண்ணீர் என்று கூறி விட்டார்.

சாய்குமார் என்று ஒரு நடிகர். உனக்குப் பிடித்த நடிகர் யார் என்று அவரிடம் கர்நாடகத்தில் கேட்டுள்ளனர். அதற்கு அவர் நடிகர் திலகம் சிவாஜி கணேசன் என்று கூறி விட்டார். அவ்வளவுதான் அவரை உதை உதை என்று உதைத்து ராஜ்குமார் என்று சொல் என்று கூறியுள்ளனர். இதற்குப் பெயர்தான் கன்னட வெறி.

நான் வீரப்பன் செய்த செயல்களை எல்லாம் கேள்விப்பட்டு முன்பு அவன் மீது கோபப்பட்டிருக்கிறேன், ஆவேசப்பட்டிருக்கிறேன். ஆனால் பல வீரப்பன்களை உருவாக்கும் நிலையை இப்போது உருவாக்கி விடாதீர்கள் என்று அவர்களை கேட்டுக் கொள்கிறேன்.

ஓகனேக்கல் கூட்டுக் குடிநீர் திட்டத்தால் தமிழகத்திற்கு லாபம் கிடைக்கும். ஆனால் கர்நாடகத்திற்கு ஒரு நஷ்டமும் கிடையாது.

சூப்பர் காமெடியன் வாட்டாள்:

அங்கு வாட்டாள் நாகராஜ் என்கிற ஒரு பெரிய காமெடியன் இருக்கிறார். நல்லவேளை அவர் சினிமாவுக்கு வரவில்லை. வந்திருந்தால் வடிவேலுவை எல்லாம் மிஞ்சியிருப்பார். அவர் சொல்கிறார் ஈரோடு, கிருஷ்ணகிரி, தர்மபுரி எல்லாம் கர்நாடகத்தோடு சேர வேண்டியதாம். விட்டால், மெட்ராஸ், பீச் எல்லாமும் எங்களுக்குத்தான் எல்லாம். நாம் என்ன வாயில் விரல் வைத்து கொண்டு போகனுமா.

நமக்கு சம்பந்தப்பட்ட ஒருவரே வாட்டாள்தான் எனக்குப் பிடித்த பேச்சாளர் என்று கூறியுள்ளார். என்னத்தைச் சொல்ல.

வந்தாரை வாழ வைக்கும் தமிழகம் என்று பேசிக் கொண்டிருக்காதீர்கள். அப்படியே பேசிக் கொண்டிருந்தால் நீ கேன.... ஆகி விடுவாய். வாலாட்டினால் ஒட்ட நறுக்கவும் தெரியணும். அவன்தான் தமிழன். குனிந்து கொண்டே இருந்தால் குதிரை ஏறிக் கொண்டுதான் இருப்பார்கள். குனியாதே, நிமிர்ந்து நில்.

தமிழனுக்கு எங்கிருந்தும் தண்ணீர் வரக் கூடாது என்கிறார்கள். பாலாறில் தண்ணீர் இல்லை. முல்லைப் பெரியாறில் தண்ணீர் இல்லை, சேது சமுத்திரத் திட்டத்தையும் எதிர்க்கிறார்கள்.

கடவுளுக்காக இனிமேல் வெளியில் போகாதீர்கள். தமிழ்க் கடவுள் முருகன் இருக்கிறான். அவனைக் கும்பிடுங்கள். மதுரை வீரனைக் கும்பிடுங்கள். நமக்கு ராமனும் வேண்டாம், ராகவேந்திராவும் வேண்டாம், அய்யப்பனும் வேண்டாம்.

உலகில் தமிழன் எங்கு அடிபட்டாலும் நாம் குரல் கொடுக்க வேண்டும். ஈழத்தில் அடிபட்டாலும் குரல் கொடுக்க வேண்டும். அங்கு இருப்பவன் உனது சகோதரன், உனது சகோதரி. தமிழனை உலகில் எங்குமே நசுக்க முடியாது. அதை விட மாட்டோம். அவ்வளவுதான் என்றார் சத்யராஜ்.

[raaja_rasigan]

What happened to Kannada cine Industry protest :?:

[SoftSword]

indha sathyaraj engellaam makkalukkaga kural kudukkurar ini'nu pappom...
for all that he spoke... if he justifies in future with his actions.... then its tolerable...

[SoftSword]

Rajni : "hogenakkal engaludhu... anga edhum panna koodadhunu karnatakala yaaravadhu sonna... odhaikkanum...."

:clap: :thumbsup:

[selvakumar]

wow... :shock: SatyaRaj :notworthy: (except few lines in his speech, his points are :notworthy: )

I loved the last line.


உலகில் தமிழன் எங்கு அடிபட்டாலும் நாம் குரல் கொடுக்க வேண்டும். ஈழத்தில் அடிபட்டாலும் குரல் கொடுக்க வேண்டும். அங்கு இருப்பவன் உனது சகோதரன், உனது சகோதரி. தமிழனை உலகில் எங்குமே நசுக்க முடியாது. அதை விட மாட்டோம். அவ்வளவுதான் என்றார் சத்யராஜ்.
8-)

[SoftSword]

wow... :shock: SatyaRaj :notworthy: (except few lines in his speech, his points are :notworthy: )

I loved the last line.


உலகில் தமிழன் எங்கு அடிபட்டாலும் நாம் குரல் கொடுக்க வேண்டும். ஈழத்தில் அடிபட்டாலும் குரல் கொடுக்க வேண்டும். அங்கு இருப்பவன் உனது சகோதரன், உனது சகோதரி. தமிழனை உலகில் எங்குமே நசுக்க முடியாது. அதை விட மாட்டோம். அவ்வளவுதான் என்றார் சத்யராஜ்.
8-)

selva...
mansoor alikan koodadhaan romba aggressivea pesinar...
what else they can do, thats my question...

[selvakumar]

selva...
mansoor alikan koodadhaan romba aggressivea pesinar...
what else they can do, thats my question...
Rajini kooda thaan aggressive ah pesi irukkar. There is a difference b/w the three.

Satyaraj enna solluraarunna.. 'Maram maari irukkatheenga. Konjam unarchi irukkanum ngiraar' He touches on the problems faced by tamils throughout the world. He is not addressing these things just for this function.

[SoftSword]

whoever it be....
either it be Rajni or Kamal or Sathyaraj...
lets see how well they carry these emotions in helping the people...

[selvakumar]

ஓகனேக்கல் கூட்டுக் குடிநீர் திட்டத்தால் தமிழகத்திற்கு லாபம் கிடைக்கும். ஆனால் கர்நாடகத்திற்கு ஒரு நஷ்டமும் கிடையாது.

SPOT ON ! 8-) One point which many have forgotten

[kannannn]

That's because the Supreme Court depends on the executive to enforce its orders. An independent authority wouldn't. Think of the Election Commission as a model (without the politics that've begun to trickle into the appointment of election commissioners). What we'd have is a situation where the people with the power to decide where to build dams, where to run canals, and the engineers running the dams and canals would all report to the National Commission, rather than to state governments. So enforcement won't really be an issue.

Agree. It makes a lot of sense too. I remember a former Tanjavoor Collector asking the government to consider bringing water into the 'Concurrent List'. That would solve most problems.

[sarna_blr]

wow... :shock: SatyaRaj :notworthy: (except few lines in his speech, his points are :notworthy: )

I loved the last line.


உலகில் தமிழன் எங்கு அடிபட்டாலும் நாம் குரல் கொடுக்க வேண்டும். ஈழத்தில் அடிபட்டாலும் குரல் கொடுக்க வேண்டும். அங்கு இருப்பவன் உனது சகோதரன், உனது சகோதரி. தமிழனை உலகில் எங்குமே நசுக்க முடியாது. அதை விட மாட்டோம். அவ்வளவுதான் என்றார் சத்யராஜ்.
8-)


Selva...
avar enna kural kuduththuttu irukkaaraa? .... :roll:

[joe]

கமலும் ரஜினியும் முன்னரே விவாதித்துக்கொண்டு பேசியது போல இருந்தது.

ரஜினியின் வெளிப்படையான ஆவேசமான பேச்சு ,கமலின் அர்த்தம் பொதிந்த ஆழமான பேச்சு இரண்டும் அருமை. :D

[joe]

சத்யராஜின் பேச்சில் பல உண்மைகள் இருந்தாலும் :D ,ரஜினியை மறைமுகமாக தாக்கிப் பேசியதை தவிர்த்திருக்கலாம் :(

[cm123]

சத்யராஜின் பேச்சில் பல உண்மைகள் இருந்தாலும் :D ,ரஜினியை மறைமுகமாக தாக்கிப் பேசியதை தவித்திருக்கலாம் :(
Joe nengal solla varuvathai velipadayaka sollalame..

[joe]

சத்யராஜின் பேச்சில் பல உண்மைகள் இருந்தாலும் :D ,ரஜினியை மறைமுகமாக தாக்கிப் பேசியதை தவித்திருக்கலாம் :(
Joe nengal solla varuvathai velipadayaka sollalame..

நான் வெளிப்படையாத் தான் சொல்லியிருக்கேன் .ரஜினி பேசுவதற்கு முன்னால் சத்யராஜ் பேசியிருப்பார் என நினைக்கிறேன் .ரஜினி பேச்சை கேட்டிருந்தால் சத்யராஜ் இப்படி மறைமுகமாக பேசியிருக்க மாட்டாரென நினைக்கிறேன்.

[cm123]

சத்யராஜின் பேச்சில் பல உண்மைகள் இருந்தாலும் :D ,ரஜினியை மறைமுகமாக தாக்கிப் பேசியதை தவித்திருக்கலாம் :(
Joe nengal solla varuvathai velipadayaka sollalame..

நான் வெளிப்படையாத் தான் சொல்லியிருக்கேன் .ரஜினி பேசுவதற்கு முன்னால் சத்யராஜ் பேசியிருப்பார் என நினைக்கிறேன் .ரஜினி பேச்சை கேட்டிருந்தால் சத்யராஜ் இப்படி மறைமுகமாக பேசியிருக்க மாட்டாரென நினைக்கிறேன்.

Joe ithellam summa drama endru nan ninaikiren

ithe mathirithan neyveli protest pothum satayaraj pesinapla..

anal marunal rajini unnavirathathin pothu, kamal ithu parpatharku arasiyal medai polave ullathu endru solla pakkathil ninra satyaraj 'amam erkanave MGR ellam thiraithuraiyilirunthu vanthirukkanga ivarum varuvatil santhosam endru sirithukkonde pesinapla..'

irunthalum rasikarkal gopathilthan irunthanga .. ana rajini ithayellamm kandu kolvathe illai..



athukkappuram nandaha avar ponnu kalyanathil avar vetil kalanthugonda VIPkali SRajum oruvar...

itheyellam inraikuu kalaiyil pesiyirunthal nenga ungalukku Rajinitah mukkiamm TN mukkiam illanu solliyirupingaa..


Ana ippa enna achu .... nalayilirunthu Rajiniyoda pechinala rendu stateum athirapoguthu

[Ramakrishna]

Ana ippa enna achu .... nalayilirunthu Rajiniyoda pechinala rendu stateum athirapoguthu

True :sad:

[app_engine]

It looks more like KA political parties "finding out and blowing out of proportion" some issue, to get mileage in their assembly elections. What'll they do if the same drinking water project is planned another 50 km away from the border (as Kaviri is running quite a distance before it reaches Erode or even 'Kaverippattinam').

There's also a lesson for TN, especially taking into a/c the ongoing inter-dependencies, particulary w.r.t Bangaluru and also the water-sharing controversy already going on- don't plan anything big along the "borders":-(

[app_engine]

At least in this case, other than 'monetary considerations' (come on, any multicrore project means sizeable revenues for politicians & related contractors etc), I don't think there is a lot of vote-politics from TN politicians. And anything related to "drinking water" should not be made a political issue at all (basic human requirement).

The siruvAni waters to Kovai is a GOOD example in this context.

[app_engine]

Aren't these 'borders' (both land and otherwise) cause for most of the violence in the world?:-(

[cm123]

dinamalarin mollamarithanathai parungal...

http://dinamalar.com/2008apr04/frontpage-news.asp?newsid=1

[raaja_rasigan]

TN puts Hogenakkal project on hold

http://in.rediff.com/news/2008/apr/05cau1.htm

:?

[MrJudge]

Ahaa! inge oru thread odikkittu irukkaa??

[MrJudge]

Sarath kumar vaai olari "neer, kaatru, nilam anaivarukkum sontham" nnu sonnathu oru kameedy. Yaaravathu gavanicheengala??

[sriranga]

Sarath kumar vaai olari "neer, kaatru, nilam anaivarukkum sontham" nnu sonnathu oru kameedy. Yaaravathu gavanicheengala??
naatamaiya therpa matha solla vendiyadhuthaan

[cm123]

TN puts Hogenakkal project on hold

http://in.rediff.com/news/2008/apr/05cau1.htm

:?

Idu kalaijarin undar baldi .. ellorayum muttalakkivittr..

[Billgates]

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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Shiv_Sena_attacks_Big_B_praises_Rajnikanth/articleshow/2928744.cms

Shiv Sena attacks Big B, praises Rajnikanth
5 Apr 2008, 1625 hrs IST,PTI


Targeting Bollywood actor Amitabh Bachchan on the issue of Marathi pride, Shiv Sena on Saturday said he is not doing anything for Maharashtra, while Rajnikant is agitating for Tamil Nadu on the Hogenakkal water issue.

( Watch: Sena attacks Big B, tells to learn from Rajni )

An article in Shiv Sena mouthpiece, Samana said, "several actors, who live in Mumbai achieve fame and glory. But when it comes to taking a firm stand on the issue of Marathi or regional pride, many of them including film star Amitabh Bachchan backtrack."

"But Rajnikant is one of the rare persons who has been true to the culture of Maharashtra. This is because he has taken side of the state which has made him big," the article said.

The reference points to the fact that Rajnikant was born in Maharashtra, grew up in Karnataka but became a superstar in Tamil Nadu.

The article headline said Rajnikant Khalya Meethala Jaagla (Rajnikant has been loyal). The report also questioned how many actors in Mumbai would have the guts to agitate for a cause of Mumbai or regional pride.

[joe]

Chennai's Kannadigas not complaining

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/Chennais_Kannadigas_not_complaining/articleshow/2926980.cms


I have been living here for the last 20 years. Not even once have I experienced discrimination or hatred from our neighbours. We all live as one community

[selvakumar]

[tscii:e6f09fb27e]http://www.hindu.com/2008/04/05/stories/2008040557820100.htm

http://www.hindu.com/2008/04/05/images/2008040557820101.jpg

The 1998 story of Hogenakkal

R.K. Radhakrishnan

CHENNAI: In 1998, Karnataka agreed to abide by the conditions imposed by the Union Water Resources Ministry if Tamil Nadu withdrew its objections to Cauvery water being used to augment supply to Bangalore, according to the minutes of a meeting convened by the Union Secretary (Water Resources) and attended by officers of the Cauvery basin States on drinking water supply schemes of Karnataka and Tamil Nadu on June 29, 1998.

“If the GoTN [Government of Tamil Nadu] will withdraw its objections, GoK [Government of Karnataka] will abide by the conditions laid down in the letter of concurrence issued by the Ministry. It will facilitate clearance of the Hogenakkal Water Supply Scheme of Tamil Nadu,” it was recorded in the minutes.

Tamil Nadu later withdrew its objections to Karnataka using its share of Cauvery water for supply to Bangalore.

The Centre made it clear at the meeting that the “National Water Policy attaches [the] highest priority to drinking water supply. It was, therefore, considered desirable that the request both of Karnataka for Bangalore Water Supply and that of TN for Hogenakkal water supply should be considered.”

Later, in September that year, a Union Water Resources Ministry official said “the Ministry of Water Resources has no objection to allocation of 1.4 tmc of Cauvery water annually to the Hogenakkal Water Supply & Sanitation Project by the Government of Tamil Nadu.”

The following is the text of a letter written by B.K. Chakrabarti, Deputy Commissioner in the Union Ministry of Water Resources, on September 21, 1998, to the Tamil Nadu Chief Secretary, giving Tamil Nadu the go ahead for the Hogenakkal project.

“Please refer to the Tamil Nadu Government’s letter no.40405/WS/IV/97 dated 3.3.98 regarding Hogenakkal water supply and sanitation project, which envisages utilisation of 1.4 TMC of water annually from the Cauvery river for drinking water supply to Dharmapuri district of Tamil Nadu [Krishnagiri then was not a district; it was part of Dharmapuri].

“I am directed to state that the Ministry of Water Resources has no objection to allocation of 1.4 TMC of Cauvery water annually to the Hogenakkal Water Supply & Sanitation Project by the Government of Tamil Nadu subject to the following conditions:

“1. As per Cauvery Water Disputes Tribunal (CWDT) interim order dated 25.6.91, 6 TMC water is to be supplied by Tamil Nadu to the Karaikal region of Union Territory of Pondicherry in a regulated manner. The Government of Tamil Nadu has to strictly ensure implementation of the interim order of CWDT and abide by the other restrictions and conditions laid down in the said interim order and any other relevant subsequent order.

“2. According to the interim order of CWDT 205 TMC of water is to be made available to Tamil Nadu at Mettur Dam with weekly and monthly stipulations subject to further clarificatory orders of the Tribunal. It is seen that the intake for the proposed water supply project is in the upstream of the Mettur Dam. As such, quantity of water to be supplied at Mettur will get reduced to that extent. It is also noted that this water will be drawn for the project only after 2000 A.D.

“3. Water utilisation for the aforesaid scheme is out of the share allocated by the CMBT in its interim order or to be allocated by the Tribunal to the Government of Tamil Nadu in its final order or award or any other order, and subject to the terms and conditions of the award or order.

“4. The Government of Tamil Nadu shall have no claim as a prescriptive right to the water for the project in question as existing or committed use in their demand for Cauvery Water allocation which is at present under adjudication by CWDT.

“The approval for implementation of the above project is, however, to be obtained from Ministry of Urban Affairs & Employment.”[/tscii:e6f09fb27e]

[selvakumar]

[tscii:cd12a217c1]http://www.hindu.com/2008/04/05/stories/2008040557670100.htm


Show of solidarity in Tamil Nadu over Hogenakkal water project

Tamil Nadu Bureau

Film fraternity observes fast, lawyers boycott courts, Assembly appreciates gesture

Photo: S.R. Raghunathan

Star campaign: Tamil film actors observed a fast in Chennai on Friday in support of the Hogenakkal drinking water project. Among others are (from right) Vijayakant, Rajinikanth, Sarath Kumar and Sathyaraj.

CHENNAI: Members of the film industry, lawyers, politicians and legislators on Friday made common cause in support of the Hogenakkal drinking water project and voiced their protest against the opposition building up in Karnataka to the project.While actors and others in the film industry organised a day-long fast, advocates stayed off courts and the Tamil Nadu Assembly made a special mention of the show of solidarity in support of the State’s stand on the issue.

Tempers ran high with various groups coming together to raise objection to the opposition to the project in Karnataka.

In Chepauk, film stars spoke of how Karnataka needed to be taught a lesson. The undisputed crowd-puller of the day, superstar Rajnikanth, strongly condemned Karnataka and its leaders for creating the crisis in order to gain political mileage ahead of elections. The issue had to be nipped in the bud and not allowed to grow like the Cauvery issue. Other actors, including Sarath Kumar and Sathyaraj, matched Rajinikanth in lambasting “disruptive elements” in Karnataka.

But, lending a note of sobriety, actors Kamal Haasan and Vijayakant, while acknowledging the requirements of Tamil Nadu, cautioned against burning bridges with the neighbouring State and provoking violence in response to the violence in Karnataka. Almost the entire film industry, including television actors, joined them.

The Tamil Nadu Assembly recorded its appreciation for the film industry members for organising the strike and fast to protest against attacks on cinema halls screening Tamil films in Bangalore and against Karnataka’s opposition to the project. Cinema halls had suspended two shows and all the studios were closed during the day in Chennai.
Services suspended

Inter-state bus and lorry traffic was suspended on the Sathyamangalam route following protests by a Kannada organisation in Chamaraja Nagar on Friday.

Buses were stopped in Erode near the Bannari Amman checkpost and Thalavady.

In Sathyamangalam, a few political organisations painted slogans on the windshields of buses bearing Karnataka registration.

Advocates belonging to the Madras High Court Advocates’ Association boycotted courts and tribunals to highlight its demand that the Union government take steps to provide proper protection to Tamils in Karnataka. Advocates took out a procession and staged a demonstration on the High Court premises.

The Tamil Nadu Advocates’ Association, in a letter to the Prime Minister, sought his immediate intervention in the matter to protect the interests of Tamils in Karnataka.

The letter said the conduct of organisations in opposing the implementation of the Hogenakkal project was detrimental to the country’s integrity.
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[selvakumar]

Chennai's Kannadigas not complaining

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/Chennais_Kannadigas_not_complaining/articleshow/2926980.cms


I have been living here for the last 20 years. Not even once have I experienced discrimination or hatred from our neighbours. We all live as one community

Vanthaarai Vaazha Vaikkum tamil nadu
Ethai kettalum amaithiyai irukkum tamil nadu
:(

[joe]

Bit dissapointed with kalainjar decision :oops:

Defenitely it is because of Congress's request fearing loosing support for the party in coming the elections in Karnataka

[Sanguine Sridhar]

Who is this Vattal Naga...??!!

[selvakumar]

Bit dissapointed with kalainjar decision :oops:

Defenitely it is because of Congress's request fearing loosing support for the party in coming the elections in Karnataka
Yes. Intha project kku aenba ivvalavu porumai and again 'waiting for karnataka'. The same SM KRISHNA refused to implement the supreme court verdict on cauvery problem and he was reprimanded by the supreme court judge. How will he do justice after the elections if congress forms a govt ?

More than MK, I am quite pissed off with the national parties esp congress. Do they really deserve the title 'national parties' ? :x

[kannannn]

Bit dissapointed with kalainjar decision :oops:

Defenitely it is because of Congress's request fearing loosing support for the party in coming the elections in Karnataka
What guarantee that the new government wouldn't object to the scheme? Anyway organisations like KRV don't give a damn about election timings. Absolutely disappointed :( .

[Dilbert]

Bit dissapointed with kalainjar decision :oops:

Defenitely it is because of Congress's request fearing loosing support for the party in coming the elections in Karnataka

:lol: :oops:

:shaking:

When few of us said , this will happen!! few days ago. They bashed us.Next set of Drama(s) to follow ...

Next Karnataka Govt is likely to be installed only by July 1st week or even lil later.
If its Cong Govt. Project can go in to freezer safely

If its Non-Cong Govt... Expect Same old story case base in suprme court. and Another couple of years of .. pushing and pulling.. DMK govt will go and next govt will come... blah blah. blah.. for this a great fasting.. darma.

I really feel bad the way people of TN are treated. Its really sad that its happening in India.which Dr. Kalam dreamt to be the next global super power by 2020. :oops: God knows when people will open there Netri kaan. I still couldn't believe people fell for the oldest trick in the book.. :shock:

[MrJudge]

Bit dissapointed with kalainjar decision

Defenitely it is because of Congress's request fearing loosing support for the party in coming the elections in Karnataka

I think he has taken the right decision. At the first sight, it looks like a wrong decision, but you think over it he has done it right. Santhula BJP sindhu paada nenaikkeeranga. We don't want another BJP state in India and that too as a neighbour of TN. We can wait for another couple of months, it is not a big deal. But after the election, MK needs to be aggressive and gets the project done at any cost.

[selvakumar]

:lol: :oops:

:shaking:

When few of us said , this will happen!! few days ago. They bashed us.Next set of Drama(s) to follow ...


neenga BJP kku vote potta prachani NATIONAL LEVEL la theerka padumnnu sonneenga. But the problem was started by BJP in karnataka. The agreement was signed when BJP was in the centre :lol: What we can say about those who are telling now that they will go by supreme court verdict. :roll:

Had they continued this problem, then also everything would have been termed as 'political'. 8-)

whatever it is, TN govt is going to pay an interest of 1.5% for the 1300 crores they are spending for the project. Why can't they approach supreme court to shut down the bangalore drinking water project ? :hammer:

[Dilbert]

:lol: :oops:

:shaking:

When few of us said , this will happen!! few days ago. They bashed us.Next set of Drama(s) to follow ...


neenga BJP kku vote potta prachani NATIONAL LEVEL la theerka padumnnu sonneenga. But the problem was started by BJP in karnataka. The agreement was signed when BJP was in the centre :lol: What we can say about those who are telling now that they will go by supreme court verdict. :roll:

Had they continued this problem, then also everything would have been termed as 'political'. 8-)

whatever it is, TN govt is going to pay an interest of 1.5% for the 1300 crores they are spending for the project. Why can't they approach supreme court to shut down the bangalore drinking water project ? :hammer:


Selva you still don't get it -> When BJP was in Centre karnataka non BJP govt had very lil say than Great MK sir played another set of water politics... Including Cavery commission initially assessment report which favoured TN which become the initially FIR for the case filled in Supreme court the famous 490 TMC to TN and 270 to Karnatka remember ?:oops: :lol:

Today the party which ACTUALLY started. is the one who is scoring the points..

Krishna.. was warming his base as governer of Maga(ha)rastra. He had no F agenda for election to contest as a cong leader in elections. This was the scene couple of weeks ago. Thanxs to Mr. MK now he decides that he will not allow injustice to people of karnataka.. :oops: He will file a case in supreme court if needed to halt this project.

source.. : CNN IBN Devil's advocate : Krishna's interview.

With reference to Mr.Judge... Assesment DMK is what today bcoz of BJP, If so many good things happened to TN over the period is just bcoz they were part of NDA and now part of UPA . No one can deny that .
Projects got approved was purely bcoz of blessing of Central cabinet ministers. State Initiated projects are Free TV, Free Towel..!
:lol: :D

Selva its sad that Govt is actually bleeding Tax payers money for soemthing like this.
Don't worry Chidambram garu.. will allocate some funds from central as compensation( may be tax payer's money from karnataka)

Now you can safely close this thread even all bundhs are called off in Garnadaga.(karnataka) :oops:
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I am listening to Maa from TAARE ZAMEEN PAR :musicsmile: shankar is awesome. Great lyrics..

[joe]

Dilbert,
Regarding your claims on supreme court verdicts, I proved those are lies and you never accepted or regret.

So no pint in argueing with you.

[joe]

Some people creating a image that TN govt has given up the project itself ..But it is only suspended since there is no people elected Govt in karnataka right now to hold the talks with .

But however ,the suspension itself is unwanted .. Disapointed move by kalainjar and there is a political pressure behind this .

But few parties playing double game ..BJP in karnataka is the source of this issue ,but in TN ,BJP accusing kalainjar for suspending this project ..what a hypocracy ?

[selvakumar]

neenga BJP kku vote potta prachani NATIONAL LEVEL la theerka padumnnu sonneenga. But the problem was started by BJP in karnataka. The agreement was signed when BJP was in the centre Laughing What we can say about those who are telling now that they will go by supreme court verdict. Rolling Eyes
Dilbert brother,
I was asking about this. Well. Let us put MK aside. If I vote for BJP, how they will resolve this issue. Please clarify on this

[joe]

[tscii:fa0b956621]A dose of practicality
Silence and patience are sometimes great virtues. No dialogue is possible in an emotion-charged atmosphere and Tamil Nadu Chief Minister M. Karunanidhi has done very well to counsel patience on the Hogenakkal drinking water project until the Karnataka Assembly election is concluded. This statesmanly intervention cooled tempers overnight in both Tamil Nadu and Karnataka: after days of burning buses, attacking shops, and closing down cinemas, chauvinist elements on both sides were suddenly left without a cause to fight for. Political leaders in Karnataka, including former Congress Chief Minister S.M. Krishna, who seemed belligerent on the issue after the BJP raised the ante, were quick to see the good sense behind the Tamil Nadu Chief Minister’s initiative to counteract the violence with a peace march. The Hogenakkal project took years to move from the discussion board to the field and waiting out another couple of months will cost nothing. In any case, meaningful talks on the project can only be held with an elected government in Karnataka, and this will be possible only after the new Assembly is constituted by the end of May. By injecting a dose of practicality, Mr. Karunanidhi skilfully managed a situation that, in less experienced hands, could have spun out of control. Sadly, opposition leaders in Tamil Nadu, especially former Chief Minister and AIADMK leader Jayalalithaa, instead of making common, constructive cause with the State government on this issue, are cynically trying to make political capital out of it.

The behaviour of political parties in Karnataka is easier to understand, although hard to justify. With a key Assembly election campaign under way and nobody clear about the shape of the next government, no party wants to risk being seen as even remotely sympathetic to Tamil Nadu on the issue of a drinking water and sanitation project that draws from Cauvery water resources. The Cauvery river water dispute is long-standing and complicated, and a reasoned stance is more difficult to sell to the voters than a simplistic, emotion-charged approach. Apprehensions in Karnataka about the Hogenakkal project can be more easily allayed when political “power generation,” as Mr. Karunanidhi put it, is not the issue it is now. Tamil Nadu has made it clear that the project has nothing to do with hydroelectric power generation or irrigation, and there is thus no question of building dams on the Karnataka side of the border. The project will only use 1.4 tmcft of water from Tamil Nadu’s allotted share of the Cauvery resources through a reservoir at Madam, 11 km away from Hogenakkal. A responsible government with a popular mandate in Karnataka can be expected to have the sobriety needed to put a constructive seal on an already settled issue — free from the opportunistic and parochial pulls of election season.


http://www.hindu.com/2008/04/07/stories/2008040754731000.htm
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[joe]

மேலும், ஒகேனக்கல் திட்டம் அறவே கைவிடப்படுகிறது என்று சொல்லவில்லை. கர்நாடக மாநில தேர்தல் அடுத்த மாதம் நடக்கவுள்ளது. தற்போது, அங்கு முடிவெடுக்கக் கூடிய அரசு இல்லை. அதனால், ஒரு மாதத்துக்கு இதை ஒத்தி வைக்கலாம் என்று கூறியிருக்கிறேனே தவிர, திட்டமே வேண்டாம் என்று சொல்லவில்லை.

காங்கிரஸ் வேண்டுகோளுக்காகத் தான் இவ்வாறு தாங்கள் முடிவெடுத்ததாகக் கூறப்படுகிறதே?

காங்கிரஸ் தரப்பில் இருந்து யாரும் அப்படிப்பட்ட வேண்டுகோளை வைக்கவில்லை. இதைப் பற்றி பேசவும் இல்லை. இரண்டு மாநிலங்களிலும் அப்பாவிகள் பாதிக்கப்படுவதை எண்ணி எடுக்கப்பட்ட முடிவு தான் அது. இவ்வாறு முதல்வர் கருணாநிதி கூறியுள்ளார்.

[Dilbert]

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[Dilbert]

[tscii:a067e65056]A dose of practicality
Silence and patience are sometimes great virtues. No dialogue is possible in an emotion-charged atmosphere and Tamil Nadu Chief Minister M. Karunanidhi has done very well to counsel patience on the Hogenakkal drinking water project until the Karnataka Assembly election is concluded. This statesmanly intervention cooled tempers overnight in both Tamil Nadu and Karnataka: after days of burning buses, attacking shops, and closing down cinemas, chauvinist elements on both sides were suddenly left without a cause to fight for. Political leaders in Karnataka, including former Congress

Chief Minister S.M. Krishna, who seemed belligerent on the issue after the BJP raised the ante, were quick to see the good sense behind the Tamil Nadu Chief Minister’s initiative to counteract the violence with a peace march. [/tscii:a067e65056]


Hindu - Ram Shaabash !! :lol: umm Indian Democarcy at its best. :oops:

[joe]

[tscii:34d4116d3b]வ(மு)ட்டாள் நாகராஜ் பேட்டி

ஒகேனக்கல் கூட்டுக் குடிநீர் திட்டத்தால் கர்நாடக மக்களுக்கு என்ன விதமான பாதிப்புகள் வந்துவிடும் என்று எதிர்பார்க்கிறீர்கள்?

(நாகராஜுக்கு அதுபற்றி உடனடியாகப் பதில் சொல்லத் தெரியவில்லை. சிறிது யோசித்து விட்டே பேசினார்). ‘‘அது எங்கள் நாட்டுத் தண்ணீர். அது எங்கள் மக்களுக்குத்தான் பயன்படணும். அதைத் தமிழ் மக்கள் குடிக்கக் கொடுக்க மாட்டோம். அப்படி நடந்தால் என்ன செய்வோம் என்றே எங்களுக்குத் தெரியாது. உயிரைக் கொடுத்தாவது அந்தத் திட்டத்தைத் தடுப்போம். எங்களிடம் (கர்நாடக அரசிடம்) கேட்காமல் எப்படி அந்தத் திட்டத்தை தமிழக அரசு அறிவித்தது? அது எல்லாமே கர்நாடக இடம்தான். எங்களிடம் அனுமதி பெற்றுத்தான் அங்கே கையை வைக்க வேண்டும்.’’

எது உங்கள் இடம் என்கிறீர்கள்? ஒகேனக்கல் பகுதி, தமிழக எல்லைக்குள்தானே வருகிறது?

‘‘அதெப்படிச் சொல்வீர்கள்? தமிழகத்தில் உள்ள தலைவர்கள்தான் அப்படிச் சொல்லிக் கொண்டிருக்கிறார்கள். நிஜம் என்ன தெரியுமா? கிருஷ்ணகிரி, தர்மபுரி, சேலம், ஈரோடு, திருப்பூர் மற்றும் உதகமண்டலம் எல்லாமே கர்நாடக மாநிலத்துக்குச் சொந்தமானதுதான். எல்லாவற்றையும் தமிழர்கள் பிடித்து வைத்துக் கொண்டிருக்கிறார்கள். அப்படியிருக்கும் போது, கர்நாடகத்திடம் கருத்துக் கேட்காமல் கைவைப்பது எவ்வளவு பெரிய தப்பு என்று தமிழ்நாட்டுக்காரர்களுக்குத் தெரிய வேண்டாமா? அதற்காகத்தான் இத்தனை எதிர்ப்பைக் காட்டுகிறோம்.’’

அதற்காக தமிழகத் தலைவர்களின் படத்தை எரிப்பதும், திரையரங்குகளைச் சேதப்படுத்துவதும் சரியானதா?

‘‘என்ன செய்யச் சொல்கிறீர்கள்? கன்னட மொழிப் பற்றாளர்கள் அவர்கள். எங்களைப் போல அவர்கள் பாணியில் போராட்டங்களைச் செய்கின்றனர். அதெல்லாம் வேண்டாம் என்றால் தமிழ்நாட்டில் உள்ளவர்கள் எங்கள் மண் மீது கண் வைக்கவேண்டாம் என்று சொல்லுங்கள்.’’

கர்நாடக மாநில எல்லையைக் கடந்து, நீர் அளவை நிலையத்தைத் தாண்டி அதற்கு அப்பால்தான் கூட்டுக் குடிநீர்த் திட்டத்துக்கான இடத்தையே குறிப்பிட்டிருக்கிறது தமிழக அரசு. அப்படியிருக்கும் போது கர்நாடக மக்களுக்கு எப்படி தண்ணீர் பிரச்னை வரும்?

‘‘அதுதான் ஏற்கெனவே சொன்னேனே. புரியவில்லையா உங்களுக்கு? கிருஷ்ணகிரி வரைக்கும் கர்நாடக மாநிலம்தான் என்கிறபோது, தமிழக அரசு தேர்வு செய்துள்ள இடமும், கர்நாடக அரசுக்குச் சொந்தமானதுதானே? நீங்கள் ஒகேனக்கல்லை மறந்து விடுங்கள். நாங்கள் போராட்டத்தை மறந்து விடுகிறோம்.’’

கேபிள் ஆபரேட்டர்களுக்கு மிரட்டல் விடுத்துள்ளீர்கள் என்று தகவல்கள் வெளியாகி உள்ளதே?

‘‘தமிழ் சேனல்களை மட்டும் ஒளிபரப்பக்கூடாது என்று சொல்லியிருக்கிறோம். கேபிள் ஆபரேட்டர்களும் கூட்டம் போட்டு, உண்ணாவிரத தினத்தில் மட்டும் ஒளிபரப்பைத் தடை செய்து, மற்ற நாட்களில் கலைஞர் சேனலைத் தவிர மற்ற தமிழ் சேனல்களை ஒளிபரப்ப முடிவெடுத்துள்ளனர். ஒகேனக்கல் பிரச்னை தீர்கிறவரை கர்நாடகாவில் கலைஞர் தொலைக்காட்சியை அவர்கள் காட்ட மாட்டார்கள், காட்டவும் முடியாது.’’

எதற்காக அந்தக் குறிப்பிட்ட சேனல் மீது இவ்வளவு கோபம்?

‘‘ஒகேனக்கல் கூட்டுக் குடிநீர்த் திட்டத்தை அறிவித்தவர் கருணாநிதி. அவருடைய சேனல்தானே அது? அதில் ஒகேனக்கல் திட்டத்துக்கு ஆதரவாக செய்தியைப் பரப்பி விடுவார்கள். அதனால்தான் அந்தக் குறிப்பிட்ட சேனலை மட்டும் பிரச்னை தீர்கிறவரை ஒளிபரப்பக்கூடாது என்கிறோம். அதேபோல், கருணாநிதியின் போக்கை வன்மையாகக் கண்டிக்கிறோம். அவர் மத்திய அரசை மிரட்டியே பணிய வைக்கிறார். மத்திய அரசை தனது சொந்த லாபத்துக்காக தவறாகப் பயன்படுத்துகிறார். கருணாநிதியை நாடு கடத்த வேண்டும். மத்திய அரசை ஏமாற்றி தமிழகத்துக்குச் சாதகமான எல்லாவற்றையும் வாங்கிவிடுகிறார். அப்படித்தான் மத்திய அரசிடம் ஒகேனக்கல் திட்டத்திலும் ஏமாற்றியிருக்கிறார். இந்தத் திட்டத்தினால் பெங்களூரு மக்களுக்கு தண்ணீர்ப் பிரச்னை வந்துவிடும். அதை கருணாநிதி மூடி மறைத்து விட்டார். கேபிள் ஆபரேட்டர்கள் எடுத்திருக்கும் இந்த முடிவை நான் வரவேற்கிறேன்.’’

ஒகேனக்கல் நீரை தமிழக அரசு குடிநீர்த் திட்டத்துக்காக பயன்படுத்திக்கொள்ளலாம் என்று ஏற்கெனவே பெங்களூரு ஒப்பந்தத்தில் கர்நாடக அரசு கையப்பமிட்டிருக்கிறதே?

‘‘அது பத்து வருடத்துக்கு முன்னால் போடப்பட்ட ஒப்பந்தம். பெங்களூரு குடிநீர்த் திட்டம் என்று ஒன்று வந்த போது, அப்போது தமிழக அரசு அதற்கு எதிர்ப்புத் தெரிவித்தது. எனவே, மத்திய அரசு அதில் தலையிட்டு, ‘காவிரிக்குக் குறுக்கே பெங்களூரு குடிநீர்த் திட்டத்தை கர்நாடக அரசு நிறைவேற்றிக் கொள்ளலாம். அதே வேளையில் ஒகேனக்கல்லில் இருந்து தமிழகம் குடிநீருக்காக ஒரு திட்டத்தை ஏற்படுத்திக்கொள்ளலாம் என்று கூறியது. அதை நான் மறக்கவில்லை. அப்போது மத்திய அரசு முன்னின்று பஞ்சாயத்துச் செய்து வைத்தது. ஆனால், கருணாநிதி தன்னுடைய செல்வாக்கை வைத்துக்கொண்டு கர்நாடகத்திடம் மத்திய அரசு கருத்துக் கூட கேட்டுவிடாமல் தடுத்து, அவர் நாட்டு மக்களுக்கு மட்டும் நல்லது செய்கிறார். அது நியாயமா? அதனால்தான் அவரை நாடு கடத்த வேண்டும் என்கிறேன். அதுதான் சரியானது!’’ என்று அனல் பறக்க தனது பேட்டியை முடித்துக¢ கொண்டார் வாட்டாள்

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[Dilbert]

Dilbert,
Regarding your claims on supreme court verdicts, I proved those are lies and you never accepted or regret.

So no pint in argueing with you.

Joe sir..,

LIES or FALSE " After 10 years" Some people who are ignorant of whole situation will propogate like this

" Hogenekkall Issue was solved only after Rajnikanth spoke his heart out in Hunger Strike" That was the turning point , yaada Yaada Yaada.. :lol:

I am still not given up on getting you the whole story Bro.:)

Any Inter-state or Country related Case in Supreme Court will go thru multiple versions of Appeal to counter appeals.

(Recent Example ASI Affidavit to Supreme Court on Lord RAM was thrice appealed & re-submitted and filled different set of cases) You will get PM from me its a promise.


I am not against TN people for water Bro nor here to argue with you that you are wrong. All I said is you guys are missing the bigger picture.

Selva : I never said vote for BJP . I said vote for a National party , BJP had / have a Vision of Intergrating All Rivers. VajpaiyeeJi Had a Vision of Integrating everything from Kashmir to Kanyakumari. To Build A Truth Bharath ! :)

[MrJudge]

Selva : I never said vote for BJP . I said vote for a National party , BJP had / have a Vision of Intergrating All Rivers. VajpaiyeeJi Had a Vision of Integrating everything from Kashmir to Kanyakumari. To Build A Truth Bharath !

I don't think this is possible by BJP. The same BJP who approved the Sethu project now opposes it. So what is the guarantee that they will stand by their words? India-vukku sani 1992 la pudichathu. Our people safely forget how the BJP made it to the big league how they divide people using the religion (the funny thing is they talk about building a true bharath) and incites violence to any level to get to the power. Namma makkal especially Gujarat :banghead: I don't think TN people will never ever go for a stand-alone BJP, our people are good in this aspect.

[Thirumaran]

wow... :shock: SatyaRaj :notworthy: (except few lines in his speech, his points are :notworthy: )

I loved the last line.


உலகில் தமிழன் எங்கு அடிபட்டாலும் நாம் குரல் கொடுக்க வேண்டும். ஈழத்தில் அடிபட்டாலும் குரல் கொடுக்க வேண்டும். அங்கு இருப்பவன் உனது சகோதரன், உனது சகோதரி. தமிழனை உலகில் எங்குமே நசுக்க முடியாது. அதை விட மாட்டோம். அவ்வளவுதான் என்றார் சத்யராஜ்.
8-)

right. The thing to be taken care is, What the Thamizan does. This is general statement based on the lines nothing to do with current issue :|

[Punnaimaran]

That was an excellent move from the TN CM. With Karnataka elections round the corner, every political party was trying to get mileage out of it and as usual, the common people were the sufferers.

Violence is not a solution for any problem and Mr.MK has taken the logical step towards a peaceful solution.

Congrats.

Punnaimaran.