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Plum
18th November 2010, 03:57 PM
poll process-il poruL kuRRam irukkunnu Maddy sonnadhAl...

Quick Poll

Sachin
Sehwag
Gilchrist
Ganguly
Mark Waugh
Greatbatch

Riyazz
18th November 2010, 04:07 PM
voted for sehwag :thumbsup:

Maniraj
18th November 2010, 04:08 PM
Sachin - The Great :notworthy:

MADDY
18th November 2010, 04:08 PM
thats ok, Plum - i just wanted to know the "reason" for sachin's selection.........

19thmay
18th November 2010, 04:12 PM
I request all Sachin fans to ignore this poll. That also gives a result!

Plum
18th November 2010, 04:12 PM
illai Maddy - indha forumla apdi enna dhAn Sachin majority irukkunnu pArthuduvOmE.
Already 1 vote for Sehwag. 1 more from Sourav guaranteed.

This might end up as not the biggest margin in the polls so far - and that itself will be underwhelming!

littlemaster1982
18th November 2010, 04:15 PM
I request all Sachin fans to ignore this poll. That also gives a result!

Yeah, naan indha therdhalai purakkanikkiren.

Plum
18th November 2010, 04:26 PM
ada ennappA veLyAdikittu. Show your mass!

sari, Boycotts ellAm Greatbactchukku Vote paNnunga. That will give an idea

Puliyan_Biryani
18th November 2010, 04:38 PM
ippo naan enna seyya :huh:

Plum
18th November 2010, 04:59 PM
Sachin pErula oru kuthu kuthittu pOnga, puLi. idhaiyellAm solli tharaNumA?

Puliyan_Biryani
18th November 2010, 05:03 PM
Boycott panlaam-nu thozhargal pesittu irukkaanga. avasarapattu vote pannittu, feel panna venaame-nu paakkaren.

thaali pechai aththu pesinaadhaane oru mudivukku vara mudiyum :lol2:

sathya_1979
18th November 2010, 05:08 PM
Thanks for the thread! One more reason to boycott sports section. InimE only miscellaneous, ARR, hubbers lounge and current affairs sections :)

Plum
18th November 2010, 05:11 PM
Thanks for the thread! One more reason to boycott sports section. InimE only miscellaneous, ARR, hubbers lounge and current affairs sections :)a

yOv reNdu pakkathulErundhum ipdi idichA nAn enna paNNuvEn?
BTW, misc topics sectionla ungaLukku oru kadamai innum bAkki irukku :huh:

Puliyan_Biryani
18th November 2010, 05:19 PM
Thanks for the thread! One more reason to boycott sports section. InimE only miscellaneous, ARR, hubbers lounge and current affairs sections :)
:shock: matha reason-laam ennavaa irukkum :think:. Quiz-ku yaarum badhil sollalainnu kaduppaayiruppaaro :ashamed:

sathya_1979
18th November 2010, 05:27 PM
Plum, ozhungaa pOi 3rd part padichittu feedback pOdunga. Kadamai already completed :)

sathya_1979
18th November 2010, 05:31 PM
Puli, when Sachin's place in a team in any form of the game is kosteened, I am not for it. I have better forums to discuss cricket matters where people dnt ask kosteens just for the sake of it.

Puliyan_Biryani
18th November 2010, 05:35 PM
Sathya, Sachin reason thelivaave purinjudhunga. 'One more reason'-na innum sila pala reasons irukkunnudhaane artham. andha reasons ennanudhaan yosikkaren :D.

Dinesh84
18th November 2010, 05:42 PM
Sachin :P en kadamai mudinjithu..

Plum
18th November 2010, 05:46 PM
5-1. Sourav vandhu Sehwagku pOduvAr. Despite the boycott by some fans, I expect a landslide for Sachin. adhAn Sachin!

MADDY
18th November 2010, 05:54 PM
Puli, when Sachin's place in a team in any form of the game is kosteened, I am not for it.

idhukku mela ennoda statement-a twist panna mudiyalaa?? :lol:

one thing this poll and posts prove who is sensitive and who flex their muscles to get things done

Riyazz
18th November 2010, 05:58 PM
enga sourav..... ?

Maniraj
18th November 2010, 06:12 PM
Let me start a new one...

Poll lae seyasurya missing :roll:

BTW no.2 position ku ethavathu thread irukaa??

sathya_1979
18th November 2010, 06:12 PM
Maddy, let me rephrase my post - For me, Sachin is beyond comparison and would walk im any team without Poll / Survey etc. If somebody asks why Sachin is selected in a team without Poll, I am not for it.
BTW, can u explain "flexing muscles to get things done". Who is trying to flex muscles and what they are trying to achieve?
Even u had mentioned abt boycott / odhungifying. So, it was u who tried to flex muscle and get things done enbadhu IMO :)

raajarasigan
18th November 2010, 06:13 PM
ada ennappA veLyAdikittu. Show your mass!

sari, Boycotts ellAm Greatbactchukku Vote paNnunga. That will give an ideaaama.. Greatbatch -> 49O

Dinesh84
18th November 2010, 06:14 PM
Let me start a new one...

Poll lae seyasurya missing :roll:

BTW no.2 position ku ethavathu thread irukaa??
SL election poll list la irukku..

raajarasigan
18th November 2010, 06:16 PM
enakku sachin - Gilchrist openersa irukkanum... Jayasurya vera already select aagittan.. ippo naan seyya :roll: :?

Riyazz
18th November 2010, 06:16 PM
Let me start a new one...

Poll lae seyasurya missing :roll:

BTW no.2 position ku ethavathu thread irukaa??
SL election poll list la irukku.. :lol:

Dhakshan
18th November 2010, 06:16 PM
GOD of Cricket :notworthy:

MADDY
18th November 2010, 06:19 PM
Maddy, let me rephrase my post - For me, Sachin is beyond comparison and would walk im any team without Poll / Survey etc. If somebody asks why Sachin is selected in a team without Poll, I am not for it.

sorry sathya - im unable to think that way...


BTW, can u explain "flexing muscles to get things done". Who is trying to flex muscles and what they are trying to achieve?
Even u had mentioned abt boycott / odhungifying. So, it was u who tried to flex muscle and get things done enbadhu IMO :)

thats not concerning u actually and not abt boycott or sobers, honestly.........any opposing opinion is not welcome and mocked at in name of fanatism with backing from administrators - anyways, i think ive made my point very clearly - i leave the rest to interpretation

littlemaster1982
18th November 2010, 06:22 PM
any opposing opinion is not welcome and mocked at in name of fanatism with backing from administrators

What do you mean by this??

MADDY
18th November 2010, 06:24 PM
any opposing opinion is not welcome and mocked at in name of fanatism with backing from administrators

What do you mean by this??

sorry, i dont see a need for explanation

littlemaster1982
18th November 2010, 06:25 PM
I really don't understand. Why can't you be more specific?

Maniraj
18th November 2010, 06:27 PM
enakku sachin - Gilchrist openersa irukkanum... Jayasurya vera already select aagittan.. ippo naan seyya :roll: :?

Oh ithu nadanthu mudinchiruchaa :D

Appo ok :P

sathya_1979
18th November 2010, 06:34 PM
Maddy ur points taken and understood, though I disagree with 1st one (Reg: Sachin). That's why I said am quitting this place.

2nd point fully agree. Thats why I had quit few other threads.

MADDY
18th November 2010, 06:41 PM
sachin gets to a position just because he has most fans in the section and any questions directed at this process is met with a considerable amt. of personal references (direct&indirect) and backing by MODs........this is what i meant.....

MADDY
18th November 2010, 06:43 PM
Maddy ur points taken and understood, though I disagree with 1st one (Reg: Sachin). That's why I said am quitting this place.

2nd point fully agree. Thats why I had quit few other threads.

Sathya - naan sachin-a avamana padathannum-ngra ennamellam illa - there wasnt a proper discussion even and selecting sachin without discussion felt as if "unkitta ellam ennada ketkaradhu"..........i know that was not the intent of Plum and sridhar but thats how it looks to me......i dont even post regularly in this section - neenga dharalaama ingaye irukkalaam :)

littlemaster1982
18th November 2010, 06:50 PM
sachin gets to a position just because he has most fans in the section and any questions directed at this process is met with a considerable amt. of personal references (direct&indirect) and backing by MODs........this is what i meant.....

I don't see the discussion getting personal today. I repeat again, Sachin is selected without poll because what he had done in ODIs, not because he has most number of fans in this forum. Even PR was saying he couldn't see why Sachin shouldn't be selected unanimously. Where were the personal references and Mods backing you are talking about?

littlemaster1982
18th November 2010, 06:52 PM
there wasnt a proper discussion even and selecting sachin without discussion felt as if "unkitta ellam ennada ketkaradhu"..........i know that was not the intent of Plum and sridhar but thats how it looks to me......i dont even post regularly in this section - neenga dharalaama ingaye irukkalaam :)

You know Plum and Sridhar had no such intentions and still look things the other way :huh: I feel like parroting here, but there is not much to discuss about selecting Sachin. This is like discussing about who is the best MD after 90's ;)

Maniraj
18th November 2010, 06:56 PM
- Deleted by self -

Needless discussion to prove Sachin is the Best.

Sachin Rocks :cheer:

raajarasigan
18th November 2010, 07:00 PM
there wasnt a proper discussion even and selecting sachin without discussion felt as if "unkitta ellam ennada ketkaradhu"..........i know that was not the intent of Plum and sridhar but thats how it looks to me......i dont even post regularly in this section - neenga dharalaama ingaye irukkalaam :)

You know Plum and Sridhar had no such intentions and still look things the other way :huh: I feel like parroting here, but there is not much to discuss about selecting Sachin. This is like discussing about who is the best MD after 90's ;) :notthatway: we would still like to see a poll to prove that master... :)

sathya_1979
18th November 2010, 07:00 PM
Maddy, can u quote examples where there was personal insults because somebody spoke against Sachin / raised a point or kosteen against him?

littlemaster1982
18th November 2010, 07:01 PM
there wasnt a proper discussion even and selecting sachin without discussion felt as if "unkitta ellam ennada ketkaradhu"..........i know that was not the intent of Plum and sridhar but thats how it looks to me......i dont even post regularly in this section - neenga dharalaama ingaye irukkalaam :)

You know Plum and Sridhar had no such intentions and still look things the other way :huh: I feel like parroting here, but there is not much to discuss about selecting Sachin. This is like discussing about who is the best MD after 90's ;) :notthatway: we would still like to see a poll to prove that master... :)

That was just an analogy to drive my point home. Nothing more than that :)

Puliyan_Biryani
18th November 2010, 07:09 PM
Maddy,

1. Sachin-kellaam muscles flex pannanum-nukooda avasiyame illai. 'thalaivar paduthukkitte jeyippaaru'. And you know this too.

2. LM's reaction on this is perfectly understandable. Fan following irukkaradhaale Sachin-ku exception-nu illai. It is the other way around. Since Sachin is exceptional he has got such fan following. And having a poll to confirm that would have been a pointless excercise (as per Plum & 19 and I would echo the same). appadiye poll vachurundhaalum, biceps kaattaradhukkaaga poll vachaangannu sollalaam. Sachin fans ennadhaan pannanumnu neengale sollunga.

3. You can react the same if Akram gets questioned. Even though I am a fan of Akram/Warne, I wouldn't feel aggreived or anything if they are not selected unanimously. In fact having a poll for Akram/Warne is the best thing as that will confirm their marana mass (similar to Lara's show of mass for No.3 slot).

raajarasigan
18th November 2010, 07:10 PM
there wasnt a proper discussion even and selecting sachin without discussion felt as if "unkitta ellam ennada ketkaradhu"..........i know that was not the intent of Plum and sridhar but thats how it looks to me......i dont even post regularly in this section - neenga dharalaama ingaye irukkalaam :)

You know Plum and Sridhar had no such intentions and still look things the other way :huh: I feel like parroting here, but there is not much to discuss about selecting Sachin. This is like discussing about who is the best MD after 90's ;) :notthatway: we would still like to see a poll to prove that master... :)

That was just an analogy to drive my point home. Nothing more than that :)understood master!! :) but why you don't want the poll for sachin? anyway, let show the world that he is the best with the poll..have the same process for him also...

littlemaster1982
18th November 2010, 07:16 PM
but why you don't want the poll for sachin? anyway, let show the world that he is the best with the poll..have the same process for him also...

As I said, it's pointless. Sachin is miles ahead of any opener in ODIs and seeing him contest in a poll with the likes of Dilshan is more than embarassing.

MADDY
18th November 2010, 07:26 PM
Maddy, can u quote examples where there was personal insults because somebody spoke against Sachin / raised a point or kosteen against him?

Sathya - again, i didnt say that - look what ive said:


sachin gets to a position just because he has most fans in the section and any questions directed at this process is met with a considerable amt. of personal references (direct&indirect) and backing by MODs

there is a lot of difference between what i have said and what u thought i said, illaya :D ........

instance:
1. ur own post which says some people ask questions for the sake of it
2. LM's saying that anyone choosing other than tendulkar is not following cricket properly.......
3. Sridhar made a reference that im being sensitive
4. Plum says i always argue for "exclusions"
5. Maniraj's post

these are not insults but references which are totally irrelevant to arguement

MOD's backing:
1. P_R saying the method is right before even discussing - also tell me how many sachin fans are warned or their post is deleted even when they make direct personal remarks.....

raajarasigan
18th November 2010, 07:27 PM
1. Sachin-kellaam muscles flex pannanum-nukooda avasiyame illai. 'thalaivar paduthukkitte jeyippaaru'. And you know this too.paduthukkitte jeikkarathukkum electionla nikkanum illaya... :)


3. You can react the same if Akram gets questioned. Even though I am a fan of Akram/Warne, I wouldn't feel aggreived or anything if they are not selected unanimously. In fact having a poll for Akram/Warne is the best thing as that will confirm their marana mass (similar to Lara's show of mass for No.3 slot).this is what we are asking for sachin as well... show the same marana mass with a poll...

Plum
18th November 2010, 07:30 PM
Warne ellAm Sachin rangeku chance-E illai. I count that as an insult. Warne benefitted from playing a lot against England and weak players of spin. idhAnE vENANgaradhu - lanela sindhu.

Akram is a proven match fixer and cannot match Sachin's stature

MADDY
18th November 2010, 07:30 PM
3. You can react the same if Akram gets questioned. Even though I am a fan of Akram/Warne, I wouldn't feel aggreived or anything if they are not selected unanimously. In fact having a poll for Akram/Warne is the best thing as that will confirm their marana mass (similar to Lara's show of mass for No.3 slot).

Lara-kku poll venum aana sachin-kku venaam - i find the logic uneasy..........

P_R
18th November 2010, 07:32 PM
Flau, free time kidaikkumbOdhu indha 'proven'-ku yEdhAchum ling kudunga.

Dhakshan
18th November 2010, 07:32 PM
Hub le vaedika paarpadhilum evvalavu sugam :D

Maniraj
18th November 2010, 07:33 PM
:exactly: :D

sathya_1979
18th November 2010, 07:39 PM
Maddy, can u quote examples where there was personal insults because somebody spoke against Sachin / raised a point or kosteen against him?

Sathya - again, i didnt say that - look what ive said:


sachin gets to a position just because he has most fans in the section and any questions directed at this process is met with a considerable amt. of personal references (direct&indirect) and backing by MODs

there is a lot of difference between what i have said and what u thought i said, illaya :D ........

instance:
1. ur own post which says some people ask questions for the sake of it
2. LM's saying that anyone choosing other than tendulkar is not following cricket properly.......
3. Sridhar made a reference that im being sensitive
4. Plum says i always argue for "exclusions"
5. Maniraj's post

these are not insults but references which are totally irrelevant to arguement

MOD's backing:
1. P_R saying the method is right before even discussing - also tell me how many sachin fans are warned or their post is deleted even when they make direct personal remarks.....

Considering only my posts (Dnt want to talk abt / for others)
Ur points were - Nobody is an exception to poll process. Also, u talked abt odhungifying for reasons of some of ur fav players (IIRC u said this for Mo Yo) may lose out in the process.

My point was, if somebody is refusing to accept 1+1 = 2 (Read: Sachin being selected in a team without a poll), I am not willing to stay in that place. That somebody may refute this equation / fact / opinion or whatever. But, for me, discussion on such lines is meaningless and they are done just for the sake of it.

Also, what is the meaning of "personal references" in ur statement? I can understand if somebody says personal insults. But, indha referenec matter pureela.

Plum
18th November 2010, 07:42 PM
I dont have problems with a poll for Sachin. This is a democratoc nation - mahatma gandhiyE vandhAlum poll-la jeyichu dhaan MP aaga mudiyin. Avarukku edhirA poll-la nikkaradhum vendhadhu, vEgadhadhu, araivEkkAdu ipdi thAn irukkum. adhukkAga poll-la nikka mAttOm, apdiyE nominate paNNungannu solla mudiyAdhu. (Rajya sabhanAlum adhukkum oru poll irukku)
IdhukkellAm gandhiyO avar followersO embarass Aga thEvai illai.

(Mahatma gandhi innikku thErthalla ninnA thOrka dhAn chance adhigamgaradhu vERa vishayam)

Puliyan_Biryani
18th November 2010, 07:42 PM
3. You can react the same if Akram gets questioned. Even though I am a fan of Akram/Warne, I wouldn't feel aggrieved or anything if they are not selected unanimously. In fact having a poll for Akram/Warne is the best thing as that will confirm their marana mass (similar to Lara's show of mass for No.3 slot).

Lara-kku poll venum aana sachin-kku venaam - i find the logic uneasy..........
Am I imagining or are you actually implying that we are afraid of Sachin losing the poll?

And wrt to the logic, Lara is a great player no doubt but is he consistent in ODIs? He is behind Sachin in that aspect. Lara had good competitor for No.3 slot in Ponting and hence a poll made a lot of sense. IIRC, LM wanted Ponting for No. 3 but look what happened in the end.

Puliyan_Biryani
18th November 2010, 07:44 PM
Flum, wrt your analogy, appovum Gandhi-dhaan win pannuvaaru (500,1000 roova nottulla irundhukittu) :wink:.

P_R
18th November 2010, 07:44 PM
1. P_R saying the method is right before even discussing - also tell me how many sachin fans are warned or their post is deleted even when they make direct personal remarks.....

As I have explained many times: my role is 'prAdhu kuduthA pArppEn'. Largely because I have a thick skin and expect most others also to.

Nearly nothing as such ever strikes me as offensive and almost always depends on people and context. Some things are blatant transgressions inadmissible in any context (like poor taste cussing). These are perhaps the only situations where I intervene suo moto.

Plum
18th November 2010, 07:44 PM
IMO, no other slot has as undisputed a choice as opener with Sachin.
Akram comes the closest.

littlemaster1982
18th November 2010, 07:54 PM
instance:
2. LM's saying that anyone choosing other than tendulkar is not following cricket properly.......


I asked you one simple question: "Do you think there are two opening batsmen better than Sachin" and you answered no. Then where is the personal reference against *you*? I was talking about anyone who thinks there are better openers than Sachin.

Why are you refusing to accept Sachin doesn't have any competitors in opening? If I ask this, is that a personal attack/reference (or whatever you call it)?

P_R
18th November 2010, 07:55 PM
Akram comes the closest.
McGrath iRukkaaha, Ambrose iRukkaaha.
We will come to that panchayath later.

directhit
18th November 2010, 08:07 PM
3. You can react the same if Akram gets questioned. Even though I am a fan of Akram/Warne, I wouldn't feel aggreived or anything if they are not selected unanimously. In fact having a poll for Akram/Warne is the best thing as that will confirm their marana mass (similar to Lara's show of mass for No.3 slot).

Lara-kku poll venum aana sachin-kku venaam - i find the logic uneasy.......... :exactly:

http://www.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?p=2279568#2279568

littlemaster1982
18th November 2010, 08:08 PM
I'm sorry, Lara hadn't done half of what Sachin has done in ODIs.

directhit
18th November 2010, 08:13 PM
LM - :lol: ok irundhuttu pogattum, ur opinion
neenga cricket paakaradha pathiyellam naan pesaradha illai ;)

littlemaster1982
18th November 2010, 08:17 PM
Why laughing :roll: I would say Ponting gives a tough competition to Lara for No.3. Agree/disagree?

Ramakrishna
18th November 2010, 09:30 PM
Poll vekkurathaala insult ethuvum illai. Just that it is a redundant thing to do.

Ramakrishna
18th November 2010, 09:31 PM
maddy,
namma annaiku potta sandaiya inga continue pannuvomaa :wink:

19thmay
18th November 2010, 09:33 PM
Sudhir,

You have deleted your old reply, paneengala illaya? Naan adhukku thaan andha post [ sensitive ] pOten? :roll:

Riyazz
18th November 2010, 09:33 PM
Hub le vaedika paarpadhilum evvalavu sugam :Dida arambicu vecha peruma i ennai serum :P

19thmay
18th November 2010, 09:34 PM
LM - :lol: ok irundhuttu pogattum, ur opinion
neenga cricket paakaradha pathiyellam naan pesaradha illai ;)

ODI pathi pesum pOdhu edhukku sirikireenga?

Ungga ungga manasaatchiki theriyum! I leave it to that.

Ramakrishna
18th November 2010, 09:35 PM
LM - :lol: ok irundhuttu pogattum, ur opinion
neenga cricket paakaradha pathiyellam naan pesaradha illai ;)

ODI pathi pesum pOdhu edhukku sirikireenga?

Ungga ungga manasaatchiki theriyum! I leave it to that.

athaane... test, ODIs rendumey venumaa? onnaavathu engalukku vittu kudungaiyaa

Riyazz
18th November 2010, 09:40 PM
Akram comes the closest.
McGrath iRukkaaha, Ambrose iRukkaaha.
We will come to that panchayath later. :yes:

Sourav
18th November 2010, 09:47 PM
ippo than fulla padichen...
i didnt vote yet... 4 votes 4 viru?!... but, i will vote 4 the obvious choice....sachin.
i haven't voted b4 for the prev slots 1,2,3,4... sridhar kittaye solliten interest illanu...check panrathum illai... ipppo puthusa thirumba opening -ku thirumba oru thread vanthathum than paathen... :oops:

Sourav
18th November 2010, 09:51 PM
voted.

plum...ellorukkum idi minnal, puyal etc-nu pottutu viru-ku avasara adi-nu potturukkeenga.... :|

Dhakshan
18th November 2010, 09:53 PM
ippo than fulla padichen...
i didnt vote yet... 4 votes 4 viru?!... but, i will vote 4 the obvious choice....sachin.
i haven't voted b4 for the prev slots 1,2,3,4... sridhar kittaye solliten interest illanu...check panrathum illai... ipppo puthusa thirumba opening -ku thirumba oru thread vanthathum than paathen... :oops:

Sehwag rasigar mandra thalaivar-a sollitaaru :D.

Sourav
18th November 2010, 09:55 PM
can someone tel me who all got selected...i.e for 2,3,4,5...

Dhakshan
18th November 2010, 09:56 PM
can someone tel me who all got selected...i.e for 2,3,4,5...

2-Jayasurya
3-Lara
4-Most probably De Silva
5-On the way :P.

ajithfederer
18th November 2010, 09:57 PM
Opinion illa its a fact. While considering everything only Viv richards is marginally (i repeat) marginally to sachin. I consider Viv the same in stature as sachin.

LM - :lol: ok irundhuttu pogattum, ur opinion
neenga cricket paakaradha pathiyellam naan pesaradha illai ;)

Sourav
18th November 2010, 09:59 PM
ippo than fulla padichen...
i didnt vote yet... 4 votes 4 viru?!... but, i will vote 4 the obvious choice....sachin.
i haven't voted b4 for the prev slots 1,2,3,4... sridhar kittaye solliten interest illanu...check panrathum illai... ipppo puthusa thirumba opening -ku thirumba oru thread vanthathum than paathen... :oops:

Sehwag rasigar mandra thalaivar-a sollitaaru :D.haha... viru's odi record is not great wen comparing with his test stats. dunno he can make into the 2nd opener slot itself...

Sourav
18th November 2010, 10:00 PM
can someone tel me who all got selected...i.e for 2,3,4,5...

2-Jayasurya
3-Lara
4-Most probably De Silva
5-On the way :P. :cool2: thanks,...

Nerd
18th November 2010, 10:12 PM
LM - :lol: ok irundhuttu pogattum, ur opinion
neenga cricket paakaradha pathiyellam naan pesaradha illai ;)

ODI pathi pesum pOdhu edhukku sirikireenga?

Ungga ungga manasaatchiki theriyum! I leave it to that.
No contest. I am actually shocked to find 'Lara unanimous choice for ODIs' backing :shock:

Test matches, sure without an iota of doubt, but ODIs? :lol:

And Sachin's choice being questioned? Cant get sillier than this.

Plum
18th November 2010, 10:15 PM
Lara in odis same level as Sachin? :roll:
kanavunnAlum oru nyaayam vENAmA?

Nerd
18th November 2010, 10:17 PM
More than Sachin fans' fanaticism in this forum (most Sachin fans are not even posting regularly, including me) I find Sachin haters' meticulously planned attempts to throw mud at him quite frequently.

Kalikaalam.

HonestRaj
18th November 2010, 11:24 PM
Thalaivanukku muththirai kuthhtiyaachu ...

ajithfederer
19th November 2010, 12:09 AM
Ningale podathappo naanum podalai. But still if anybody wants to vote for sachin here are the reasons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achievements_of_Sachin_Tendulkar#ODI

Most runs in an ODI Innings: Sachin Tendulkar holds the record for maximum number of runs scored in one ODI innings. He is the only batsman to score 200 runs (147ball 25x4 3x6) in an ODI against South Africa.[11][12]

Most runs: 17,598 Runs at the rate of 45.12 runs for every time he has gotten out (as of 18 October 2010). He is the leading run scorer in the ODI format of the game and the only player ever to cross the 14,000-15,000-16,000 and 17,000 run marks.

First player to reach 10,000-11,000-12,000-13,000-14,000-15,000, 16,000 and 17,000 ODI runs.

Holds the record for scoring 1,000 ODI runs in a calendar year. He has done it seven times - 1994, 1996, 1997, 1998, 2000, 2003 and 2007

Tendulkar has scored over 1000 ODI runs against all major Cricketing nations.

Tendulkar is the only batsman to score over 3000 runs against any opponent (Australia). Tendulkar is also the only batsman to achieve the feat runs against two opponents - Sri Lanka is the other team.

After Sachin crossed the 10,000-run mark in ODIs, only seven other players have managed to cross the milestone: (Sanath Jayasuriya, Sourav Ganguly, Rahul Dravid, Ricky Ponting, Brian Lara, Inzamam ul Haq, and Jacques Kallis).

Sachin was the fastest to reach 10,000 runs taking 259 innings and has the highest batting average among batsmen with over 10,000 ODI runs

Tendulkar has scored 1833 runs in finals; Tendulkar also ranks very high in terms of all-time averages in finals: among those who've scored at least 1000 runs in finals, only three have a higher average. One of them is India's current coach, Gary Kirsten - in 20 innings, he scored 1019 runs at an excellent average of 69.73. Tendulkar's stats are very similar to those of Viv Richards, who averaged 55.73 at a strike rate of 84.78 in 17 finals.

Tendulkar holds the record for the highest individual score in a One Day International when he scored 200 not out breaking the previous record of 194 in the India v. South Africa ODI on 24 February 2010. This also saw him become the first male cricketer in the planet to score a double century in a One Day International. Earlier Belinda Clark has scored 229* in women cricket.

Tendulkar holds the record for the most fours ( boundaries ) in an innings. He hit 25 fours in the innings against South Africa on on 24 February 2010 when he scored double century.

Only player to score 5, 150+ (186*, 152, 163*, 175 and 200*)scores in ODI cricket, followed by Sanath Jayasuriya of Srilanka with 4, 150+ scores in ODI

Centuries and Fifties record:

Most centuries: 46
Only cricketer to ever score a double hundred in the ODI format - against South Africa at Gwalior, India.

Most centuries against an opponent - 9 vs. Australia.
Most centuries vs. Australia, South Africa, Kenya, Sri Lanka, Zimbabwe and Pakistan.

Most centuries in Final Matches 6 & India Win All Matches
Most centuries against One Team - Australia 20 (11 test+9 ODI)
Most Fifties: 93.

Highest number of 50+ scores in ODIs - 139 (46 Centuries and 93 Fifties).

Only player to have over 100 innings of 50+ runs along with Ricky Ponting

Most Fifties in World Cup Matches(13)

ODI awards:

Most Man of the Match Awards: 61 Man of the Match Awards
Most Man of the Series Awards: 15 Man of the Series Awards

Calendar Year record:

Most ODI runs in a calendar year: 1,894 ODI runs in 1998.
Most Centuries in a calendar year: 9 ODI centuries in 1998

Partnership Records:

Sachin Tendulkar with Sourav Ganguly hold the world record for the maximum number of runs scored by the opening partnership. They have put together 6,609 runs in 136 matches that includes 21 century partnerships and 23 fifty run partnerships.[13]

The 20 century partnerships for opening pair is also a world record.
Sachin Tendulkar and Rahul Dravid hold the world record for the highest partnership in ODI matches when they scored 331 runs against New Zealand in 1999 at the LBS, Hyderabad[14]

Sachin Tendulkar has been involved in six 200 run partnerships in ODI matches - a record that he shares with Sourav Ganguly and Rahul Dravid.[15]

Most runs (1,796 at an average of 59.87 as on 20 March 2007) in World Cup Cricket History including 4 centuries & 13 fifties with a best score of 152* against Namibia in 2003 world cup
673 runs in 2003 Cricket World Cup, highest by any player in a single Cricket World Cup

Player Of The World Cup Tournament in the 2003 Cricket World Cup.

523 runs in the 1996 Cricket World Cup at an average of 87.16, making him the highest run scorer in the 1996 World Cup and setting the then record for the highest runs by any player in a single Cricket World Cup - subsequently bettered by himself in the 2003 World Cup



I request all Sachin fans to ignore this poll. That also gives a result!

Yeah, naan indha therdhalai purakkanikkiren.

directhit
19th November 2010, 07:59 AM
Why laughing :roll: I would say Ponting gives a tough competition to Lara for No.3. Agree/disagree?
LM, sirichadhu not even half bit kku...

Just to bring to context this whole discussions, Maddy wanted to know why Sachin was selected without polls since every position is being done with polls and i too dont see any harm in having one for Sachin as well - whether he wud win 50-0 or 100-0 wud be immaterial anyways..
I dont understand the logic behind 'its insulting to keep a poll for him' argument when you guys reject the same for other players... that's why i put in my point about Lara. I find it insulting to have a poll for Lara and infact dont even remember if i voted for him (havent voted for any of the positions IIRC) in the poll.. same would be applicable for bowlers, Akram kellam pollaa nu Maddy kepparu, I would back Ambrose.. others wud have many more options - why cant we have the poll - we perhaps might have Venkatesh Prasad as one of the options, but who cares!!
I do agree on the point of a worthy competitor. Ponting is there for #3 and perhaps no opp of that calibre is available for openers (with two slots being available!). But Dilshan laam poll la irukkan insulting is a biased argument illaya?! coz we had Martin/Yousuf etc for #3.. it wasnt a poll with just Lara and Ponting at #3 citing worthiness.. if we had just two choices for the poll for #3 i agree we cud have perhaps done away with the poll for #1 (with the other opener selected)..

RK :P

Nerd, you can lol all you want at the choice but IMNSHO Lara wud walk into any ODI/Test team post 90's 8-)

Vivasaayi
19th November 2010, 08:12 AM
Directhit....The reasons are

1)In , ODI's Lara is nowhere comparable to Sachin and people like jayasurya have done far better than Lara. Ponting has a better record than Lara in ODI's.

2)Sachin in undeniably the greatest ODI player ever - now after 90's.. :huh:

3)Akram may face serious competition from ambrose, mcgrath ..which is not the case with Sachin.

4) Its a privelage that ONLY sachin have and dont expect Lara's and others to to have the same privelage and be holded in the same esteem in ODI's.

Vivasaayi
19th November 2010, 08:19 AM
ada paavingala....poll-a poteengala..post pananpuramthaan paakuren!..ohh title-a number 0ne positionukkaa? :ashamed:

ritu vote-a kuthitu poite irukka vendiyadhuthan!....

Plum
19th November 2010, 08:30 AM
Sehwagku 4 votes yaaru? Especially when sourav himself has voted sachin :)
(One was Riyazz i think)
Sourav, ungaLukku mEla sehwag fans indha forumla irukkAnga. Andha karuppu aadugaLai kaNdu pidiyunga :-)

Puliyan_Biryani
19th November 2010, 08:35 AM
ippo than fulla padichen...
i didnt vote yet... 4 votes 4 viru?!... but, i will vote 4 the obvious choice....sachin.
i haven't voted b4 for the prev slots 1,2,3,4... sridhar kittaye solliten interest illanu...check panrathum illai... ipppo puthusa thirumba opening -ku thirumba oru thread vanthathum than paathen... :oops:

Sehwag rasigar mandra thalaivar-a sollitaaru :D.haha... viru's odi record is not great wen comparing with his test stats. dunno he can make into the 2nd opener slot itself...
Sourav :notworthy:. unga nermai enakku pudichurukku :lol:.

Plum
19th November 2010, 08:37 AM
[tscii:60d5bd4ecc]Repeat
Rule: all positions need a poll because opinions differ fairly evenly in favour of various candidates
Exception: #1 doesnt need a poll because opinions cannot differ that big here - even sehwag fans vote sachin and in general, even ian chappell, as biased as they can get, cannot deny sachin's'undisputed choice.

This is a classic case of an exception proving the rule - and it is not without reason that such a concept exists among learned and wise folks from whom we ordinary mortals can learn - in that, the exceptional case is unique and represents a polarisation of opinion of thew scale that is normally impossible. Therefore, barring such extraordinary cases, poll is necessary is proven by this very special case.

Exception proving the rule enbadharku idhu dhaan arththam

From your arguments maddy, it seems to me that you do not get this concept. No offence, for this also means that i havent articulated the concept well enough(maybe feeyaar can). This is not a personal référence - just an observation.

To me, exception proving a rule is an important concept because very often i see people taking this exception and thinking they have disproven the rule. [/tscii:60d5bd4ecc]

Vivasaayi
19th November 2010, 08:39 AM
But Dilshan laam poll la irukkan insulting is a biased argument illaya?! coz we had Martin/Yousuf etc for #3.. it wasnt a poll with just Lara and Ponting at #3 citing worthiness.. if we had just two choices for the poll for #3 i agree we cud have perhaps done away with the poll for #1 (with the other opener selected)..



pointe adhuthan!..Lara is not worthy of a "unopposed candidate" in ODI's. People like Aravindha,Ponting are there and the fact that Lara is not the best One down player in ODI's ...I dont find the reson behind this point at all...

If at all Lara has proved to be the best ODI one down - I am damn sure that he would have been selected without a poll..considering his reputation in Test matches/Cricket...

If there is no warne - murali is unoppsed
If there is no murali - warne would be unopposed spinenr in the side...simple!

but ippo as there are two greats - a poll would obviously be put up if the combination requires just one spinenr and three pacemen.

If the combination requires two spinners in the team - I am damn sure that warne and murali will be selected without a poll.

Plum
19th November 2010, 08:45 AM
Warne-Murali - eagerly looking forward to. Neraya pEru tea kudippom

Puliyan_Biryani
19th November 2010, 08:50 AM
Team-la 1 spinner kettadhukku Warne v Murali varanumgaradhum oru reason :wink:. CSK-naala Muralikku adhiga vote vizhundhurumo :omg:.

Plum
19th November 2010, 08:51 AM
Sourav regarding avasara adi:

Idi, minnal, puyal, mazhai - eppOvAvadhu varum. Gayle, dilshanlAm apdi thAn

Viru - always adhe adidhadi. Avasara adi because of his tendency to place urgency above everything else. Also because he can summon it anytime he wants and (as of now) failure is only in his hand, not the bowler's' ofcourse, that will change soon when his eyesight deteriorates but appO pArthukkalAm.

Sourav
19th November 2010, 09:03 AM
Sourav regarding avasara adi:

Idi, minnal, puyal, mazhai - eppOvAvadhu varum. Gayle, dilshanlAm apdi thAn

Viru - always adhe adidhadi. Avasara adi because of his tendency to place urgency above everything else. Also because he can summon it anytime he wants and (as of now) failure is only in his hand, not the bowler's' ofcourse, that will change soon when his eyesight deteriorates but appO pArthukkalAm.
:cool2:


Sehwagku 4 votes yaaru? Especially when sourav himself has voted sachin :)
(One was Riyazz i think)
Sourav, ungaLukku mEla sehwag fans indha forumla irukkAnga. Andha karuppu aadugaLai kaNdu pidiyunga :-)
enakkum yaarnu therla. 1 is riyazz...ganguly also got 1 vote.



Sourav :notworthy:. unga nermai enakku pudichurukku :lol:. :roll: ootureengalanu therla... kutthumathippa pottu vaikkuren... Ty. :P

Plum
19th November 2010, 09:05 AM
Team-la 1 spinner kettadhukku Warne v Murali varanumgaradhum oru reason :wink:. CSK-naala Muralikku adhiga vote vizhundhurumo :omg:.

Anticipatory bail? :lol:

Warne in ODIs? What recordyA? World Cup semis record and all against thennappirikka, who as the name indicates aapaduchufy themselves against spin, and west indies :lol:

littlemaster1982
19th November 2010, 09:10 AM
Plum :notthatway: That 96 semi final is a stuff of legends. Aussies were defending a meagre 204 and WI were going great guns. Warne almost singlehandedly pulled back Aussies into the game. And WI in 96 was a formidable team.

MADDY
19th November 2010, 09:12 AM
I dont understand the logic behind 'its insulting to keep a poll for him' argument when you guys reject the same for other players... that's why i put in my point about Lara. I find it insulting to have a poll for Lara and infact dont even remember if i voted for him

same would be applicable for bowlers, Akram kellam pollaa nu Maddy kepparu, I would back Ambrose.. others wud have many more options - why cant we have the poll - we perhaps might have Venkatesh Prasad as one of the options, but who cares!!

:exactly: this move tantamounts to declaring sachin as the "only" great in ODIs........


I do agree on the point of a worthy competitor. Ponting is there for #3 and perhaps no opp of that calibre is available for openers (with two slots being available!). But Dilshan laam poll la irukkan insulting is a biased argument illaya?! coz we had Martin/Yousuf etc for #3.. it wasnt a poll with just Lara and Ponting at #3 citing worthiness.. if we had just two choices for the poll for #3 i agree we cud have perhaps done away with the poll for #1 (with the other opener selected)..

point - Lara great-ngradhunaala, did u just compare him with ponting - ella chinna pasangaloda dhaane poll vechhaanga - lara fans-kku mattum idhu insulting illaya


Nerd, you can lol all you want at the choice but IMNSHO Lara wud walk into any ODI/Test team post 90's 8-)

absolutely

Riyazz
19th November 2010, 09:14 AM
Sourav regarding avasara adi:

Idi, minnal, puyal, mazhai - eppOvAvadhu varum. Gayle, dilshanlAm apdi thAn

Viru - always adhe adidhadi. Avasara adi because of his tendency to place urgency above everything else. Also because he can summon it anytime he wants and (as of now) failure is only in his hand, not the bowler's' ofcourse, that will change soon when his eyesight deteriorates but appO pArthukkalAm.
:cool2:


Sehwagku 4 votes yaaru? Especially when sourav himself has voted sachin :)
(One was Riyazz i think)
Sourav, ungaLukku mEla sehwag fans indha forumla irukkAnga. Andha karuppu aadugaLai kaNdu pidiyunga :-)
enakkum yaarnu therla. 1 is riyazz...ganguly also got 1 vote.



Sourav :notworthy:. unga nermai enakku pudichurukku :lol:. :roll: ootureengalanu therla... kutthumathippa pottu vaikkuren... Ty. :P nan teriyama opena sollitanu nenikiran.......... :P

Plum
19th November 2010, 09:14 AM
LM, i remember that match. Arthurton and all :lol:
Except Lara, and to some extent Richie, rest of the batsmen were kathakaLi artists. Inspite of all that, phenomenal achievement ofcourse. For instance, can bhajji do that against even bangladesh in semis in a situation like that? I doubt it.

Granted those but his overall ODI record is not that compelling, imo.

Worldcup knockout performance mattum vechu pArthA, Ponting will be greater than Sachin
:violently_disagree: to that.

Puliyan_Biryani
19th November 2010, 09:20 AM
Yeah in ODIs, Warne will get some stiff competition from Saqlain Mushtaq. Apart from that I don't see any competition in the horizon :wink:

MADDY
19th November 2010, 09:21 AM
maddy,
namma annaiku potta sandaiya inga continue pannuvomaa :wink:

yabba - my points would be interpreted multiple ways and SSLC fail-nnu prove panniduvaanga :lol: .......its better we take it offline or talk abt it when this heat settles down....

Puliyan_Biryani
19th November 2010, 09:22 AM
Sourav :notworthy:. unga nermai enakku pudichurukku :lol:. :roll: ootureengalanu therla... kutthumathippa pottu vaikkuren... Ty. :P
No, I was serious. ennadhaan Sehwag fan-a irudhaalum nyaayamaa pesunadhukku :D.

Also I like this name 'Avasara Adi'. Reminds me of 'Avasara Adi' Ranga :P.

littlemaster1982
19th November 2010, 09:25 AM
I dont understand the logic behind 'its insulting to keep a poll for him' argument when you guys reject the same for other players... that's why i put in my point about Lara. I find it insulting to have a poll for Lara and infact dont even remember if i voted for him

same would be applicable for bowlers, Akram kellam pollaa nu Maddy kepparu, I would back Ambrose.. others wud have many more options - why cant we have the poll - we perhaps might have Venkatesh Prasad as one of the options, but who cares!!

:exactly: this move tantamounts to declaring sachin as the "only" great in ODIs........

Who said that? Now this is what you call twisting the arguments.



point - Lara great-ngradhunaala, did u just compare him with ponting - ella chinna pasangaloda dhaane poll vechhaanga - lara fans-kku mattum idhu insulting illaya

There are many players who have done better than Lara in no.3 position. Ponting has almost 3 times of runs of Lara. Whichever way you look at it, Lara's stature in ODIs is significantly lesser. To be fair to Lara, he had accomplished much more in tests and was always expected to replicate the same in ODIs. That's a burden he has to live with.

littlemaster1982
19th November 2010, 09:29 AM
LM, i remember that match. Arthurton and all :lol:
Except Lara, and to some extent Richie, rest of the batsmen were kathakaLi artists. Inspite of all that, phenomenal achievement ofcourse. For instance, can bhajji do that against even bangladesh in semis in a situation like that? I doubt it.

Not just Bhajji. Not many spinners would have pulled that off in a similar situation. Warne patthi pesa vendiyadhu niraiya irukku. Andha therdhal-la pesuvom :)


Granted those but his overall ODI record is not that compelling, imo.

Worldcup knockout performance mattum vechu pArthA, Ponting will be greater than Sachin
:violently_disagree: to that.

Even I don't remember how many wickets Warne had taken in ODIs. I just think him as a worthy contender for a lone spinner spot.

MADDY
19th November 2010, 09:30 AM
instance:
2. LM's saying that anyone choosing other than tendulkar is not following cricket properly.......


I asked you one simple question: "Do you think there are two opening batsmen better than Sachin" and you answered no. Then where is the personal reference against *you*? I was talking about anyone who thinks there are better openers than Sachin.

Why are you refusing to accept Sachin doesn't have any competitors in opening? If I ask this, is that a personal attack/reference (or whatever you call it)?

i felt, asking for a poll itself was from someone who doesent understand cricket......i always would like to keep the arguements abt subject and not personal preferences or capability of people arguing it........

sachin doesent have any competitors in opening - ok........LM, i feel sachin should also come under process/rules and u guys feel he is beyond that.........i really dunno how to resolve this...... :)

Vivasaayi
19th November 2010, 09:42 AM
I dont understand the logic behind 'its insulting to keep a poll for him' argument when you guys reject the same for other players... that's why i put in my point about Lara. I find it insulting to have a poll for Lara and infact dont even remember if i voted for him

same would be applicable for bowlers, Akram kellam pollaa nu Maddy kepparu, I would back Ambrose.. others wud have many more options - why cant we have the poll - we perhaps might have Venkatesh Prasad as one of the options, but who cares!!

:exactly: this move tantamounts to declaring sachin as the "only" great in ODIs........



Nope!..Lara/Others is not THAT great(ODI ODI) apdingradhuthaan vishayam..If bradman is selected right away for number 3 in Tests - It doesnot mean there are no other greats in Test Cricket.It just means that Bradman is considered the greatest batsman in the Test History.

Adheethaan ingayum!

littlemaster1982
19th November 2010, 09:42 AM
Maddy,

There is a difference between understanding cricket and following cricket regularly. And it was never intended to refer you or anyone in this forum.

I don't understand the need of a poll for selecting Sachin when it is established that he is the greatest ODI opener of all time. You bring someone similar for any position and ask for unanimous selection, now that's fair.

If you haven't noticed, I am arguing that Bevan should be an automatic choice for batting at 6.

Sourav
19th November 2010, 09:43 AM
Sourav :notworthy:. unga nermai enakku pudichurukku :lol:. :roll: ootureengalanu therla... kutthumathippa pottu vaikkuren... Ty. :P
No, I was serious. ennadhaan Sehwag fan-a irudhaalum nyaayamaa pesunadhukku :D.

Also I like this name 'Avasara Adi'. Reminds me of 'Avasara Adi' Ranga :P.avasara adi. thread title-a kooda vaikkalam pola... athan ippo plum thottathellam hit aaguthey. :P

littlemaster1982
19th November 2010, 09:44 AM
Sigh, I was supposed to be in office by 9 AM. Meedhi panchayathu office-kku ponappuram :wave:

Bala (Karthik)
19th November 2010, 09:55 AM
More than Sachin fans' fanaticism in this forum (most Sachin fans are not even posting regularly, including me) I find Sachin haters' meticulously planned attempts to throw mud at him quite frequently.

Kalikaalam.
:exactly:
Enakku Sachin pidikkum/pidikkaadhu - idhu opinion
Who is the best ODI opener - idhula eppadi maatru karuthu irukka mudiyum? :confused2:

Ramakrishna
19th November 2010, 10:09 AM
enaku poll vechathu kooda insulting-a theriyala. Aana Sourav-ku oru vote vizhunthirukku, who is that karuppu aadu :evil:

ajithfederer
19th November 2010, 10:10 AM
Jesus christ :fatigue: :sigh2:



enaku poll vechathu kooda insulting-a theriyala. Aana Sourav-ku oru vote vizhunthirukku, who is that karuppu aadu :evil:

19thmay
19th November 2010, 10:18 AM
Sehwagku 4 votes yaaru? Especially when sourav himself has voted sachin :)
(One was Riyazz i think)
Sourav, ungaLukku mEla sehwag fans indha forumla irukkAnga. Andha karuppu aadugaLai kaNdu pidiyunga :-)

Sachin haters!

Riyazz
19th November 2010, 10:21 AM
Sehwagku 4 votes yaaru? Especially when sourav himself has voted sachin :)
(One was Riyazz i think)
Sourav, ungaLukku mEla sehwag fans indha forumla irukkAnga. Andha karuppu aadugaLai kaNdu pidiyunga :-)

Sachin haters! i m not a sachin hater...... i prefer sehwag.....

sehwag is not a self gamer..........

Bala (Karthik)
19th November 2010, 10:23 AM
Sehwag is not a self-gamer na avaru gaaji-ya vera yaravadhu aaduvaingala?

Bala (Karthik)
19th November 2010, 10:23 AM
Sehwagku 4 votes yaaru? Especially when sourav himself has voted sachin :)
(One was Riyazz i think)
Sourav, ungaLukku mEla sehwag fans indha forumla irukkAnga. Andha karuppu aadugaLai kaNdu pidiyunga :-)

Sachin haters!
Aff course

Riyazz
19th November 2010, 10:25 AM
Sehwag is not a self-gamer na avaru gaaji-ya vera yaravadhu aaduvaingala? :huh:

19thmay
19th November 2010, 10:26 AM
sehwag is not a self gamer..........

appadina?

Riyazz
19th November 2010, 10:29 AM
sehwag is not a self gamer..........

appadina? he is not play for records.......

19thmay
19th November 2010, 10:29 AM
Ok mathavan ellam record dance-ku aaduraana?

Give me examples, summa mud throw panna koodadhu.

Riyazz
19th November 2010, 10:32 AM
k sachinuku vote pannalina sachin hatersunu neenga eppadi sollalam..... ?

Bala (Karthik)
19th November 2010, 10:32 AM
Sridhar,
Why ya? Why waste energy? :lol2:

Riyazz
19th November 2010, 10:33 AM
Ok mathavan ellam record dance-ku aaduraana?

Give me examples, summa mud throw panna koodadhu. check it shewag century match winning % and sachin century match winning %

19thmay
19th November 2010, 10:34 AM
Sridhar,
Why ya? Why waste energy? :lol2:

Ok brother! :) Blood boil aagudhe.

littlemaster1982
19th November 2010, 10:35 AM
Ok mathavan ellam record dance-ku aaduraana?

Give me examples, summa mud throw panna koodadhu. check it shewag century match winning % and sachin century match winning %

How does it prove Sachin plays for records and Sehwag is not?

Riyazz
19th November 2010, 10:39 AM
Ok mathavan ellam record dance-ku aaduraana?

Give me examples, summa mud throw panna koodadhu. check it shewag century match winning % and sachin century match winning %

How does it prove Sachin plays for records and Sehwag is not? ida ippadie muduchukalam iduku mela pona rana kalam agum..

19thmay
19th November 2010, 10:40 AM
Illa konjam poi thaan paarpome....

steveaustin
19th November 2010, 10:44 AM
I have voted for Sehwag at #1. Sachin is best at #2 and not at #1 is my opinion. Further Sehwag has scored 5 100s and 16 50s at a strike rate of 101.5 but with a lesser average of 31.88. As I have looked at the strike rate and more 100s and 50s scored by Sehwag because of more no. of matches played by him, I have voted. Since Sridhar has tagged the voters for Sehwag as 'Sachin haters' and further the talk of cricket following made me to post this even though it was mentioned at me.

Just look at #1 position alone.

Sachin Tendulkar #1 (Taking strike from the first ball)
47 Matches 1625 runs HS 120, Ave. 36.11 St.Rate 82.82 2 100s and 9 50s.

Sachin Tendulkar #2 (Non-striker)
272 Matches 12857 runs 200* Ave. 51.22 St.Rate 88.92 40 100s 63 50s.

Riyazz
19th November 2010, 10:45 AM
Illa konjam poi thaan paarpome.... nan summa time pass agatumnu start panni vitan....... neenga romba seriousa irukinga..... athan...
then nan ippadi post panradhuku karanam.... sachinuku vote pannalina avanga sachin hater airuvangala....... sachin vandhu indiavuke peruma. avaroda records la yaralum break panna mudiadhu......... all like sachin....... :cool:

littlemaster1982
19th November 2010, 10:46 AM
Steve,

You are taking it too literally, IMO :) Automatic selection doesn't mean he is always going to take the strike.

19thmay
19th November 2010, 10:46 AM
Steve,

Neenga ippadilaam yosipinga-nu naan nenaikala. Ippo enna, match aadum podhu Jayasurya-va first ball-a face panna sollidalaam.

panjayathe vera!!

Riyazz
19th November 2010, 10:48 AM
I have voted for Sehwag at #1. Sachin is best at #2 and not at #1 is my opinion. Further Sehwag has scored 5 100s and 16 50s at a strike rate of 101.5 but with a lesser average of 31.88. As I have looked at the strike rate and more 100s and 50s scored by Sehwag because of more no. of matches played by him, I have voted. Since Sridhar has tagged the voters for Sehwag as 'Sachin haters' and further the talk of cricket following made me to post this even though it was mentioned at me.

Just look at #1 position alone.

Sachin Tendulkar #1 (Taking strike from the first ball)
47 Matches 1625 runs HS 120, Ave. 36.11 St.Rate 82.82 2 100s and 9 50s.

Sachin Tendulkar #2 (Non-striker)
272 Matches 12857 runs 200* Ave. 51.22 St.Rate 88.92 40 100s 63 50s. :yes: idhe point la than nanum vote pannan ana 2 spotku already jayasurya select aitaru......

Ramakrishna
19th November 2010, 10:48 AM
sachin vandhu indiavuke peruma. avaroda records la yaralum break panna mudiadhu......... all like sachin....... :cool:

avaru records break panrathuthaan ungalukku pidikaathey.... Why do u still like him?

steveaustin
19th November 2010, 10:49 AM
LM and Sridhar,

One of the openers should be Sachin is my opinion. But when it comes to #1 position, then my priority on strike rate and no. of 100s and 50s made me to vote for him. Nothing else. But for that 'Sachin Haters' and 'kaRuppu Adu' is unnecessary. I am following cricket thoroughly from the toss itself. That's why I've voted for Sehwag. :P

Riyazz
19th November 2010, 10:53 AM
sachin vandhu indiavuke peruma. avaroda records la yaralum break panna mudiadhu......... all like sachin....... :cool:

avaru records break panrathuthaan ungalukku pidikaathey.... Why do u still like him? enna solla varinga :huh:

Sourav
19th November 2010, 10:58 AM
enaku poll vechathu kooda insulting-a theriyala. Aana Sourav-ku oru vote vizhunthirukku, who is that karuppu aadu :evil: always ridiculing ganguly... :sigh2:
intha poll nadathuravanga etc... pls inimae yethulayum ganguly-i serkatheenga... we know wat kinda response he will get every time....

Dinesh84
19th November 2010, 11:00 AM
sachin vandhu indiavuke peruma. avaroda records la yaralum break panna mudiadhu......... all like sachin....... :cool:

avaru records break panrathuthaan ungalukku pidikaathey.... Why do u still like him?

Riyazz saarbaaga: solla mudiyaathu..

raajarasigan
19th November 2010, 11:00 AM
enaku poll vechathu kooda insulting-a theriyala. Aana Sourav-ku oru vote vizhunthirukku, who is that karuppu aadu :evil: always ridiculing ganguly... :sigh2:
intha poll nadathuravanga etc... pls inimae yethulayum ganguly-i serkatheenga... we know wat kinda response he will get every time.... :lol: sorry sourav.. unga vedhanai enakku puriyuthu...

Riyazz
19th November 2010, 11:01 AM
sachin vandhu indiavuke peruma. avaroda records la yaralum break panna mudiadhu......... all like sachin....... :cool:

avaru records break panrathuthaan ungalukku pidikaathey.... Why do u still like him?

Riyazz saarbaaga: solla mudiyaathu..dinesh avaru enna solla varaune puriyala

Dinesh84
19th November 2010, 11:03 AM
enaku poll vechathu kooda insulting-a theriyala. Aana Sourav-ku oru vote vizhunthirukku, who is that karuppu aadu :evil: always ridiculing ganguly... :sigh2:
intha poll nadathuravanga etc... pls inimae yethulayum ganguly-i serkatheenga... we know wat kinda response he will get every time....
yes.. after seeing a someone who gets irritated by the mere presence of his name in the poll ..

steveaustin
19th November 2010, 11:04 AM
always ridiculing ganguly... :sigh2:

இது தானா சார் உங்க டக்கு.... :lol:

I too love Ganguly. But, I'll always leave it as their opinion. Person to person taste differs. :)

Sourav
19th November 2010, 11:12 AM
always ridiculing ganguly... :sigh2:

இது தானா சார் உங்க டக்கு.... :lol:

I too love Ganguly. But, I'll always leave it as their opinion. Person to person taste differs. :)ippo than paathen... opinion ellam i respect alwys... nakkal adikkurathu than... ok, itthoda hub-la ellorum ganguly-i maranthudunga...

Sourav
19th November 2010, 11:13 AM
enaku poll vechathu kooda insulting-a theriyala. Aana Sourav-ku oru vote vizhunthirukku, who is that karuppu aadu :evil: always ridiculing ganguly... :sigh2:
intha poll nadathuravanga etc... pls inimae yethulayum ganguly-i serkatheenga... we know wat kinda response he will get every time.... :lol: sorry sourav.. unga vedhanai enakku puriyuthu... :roll: yetho ulkuttha solra maathiri irukke... nan ellam vote podalappa... :oops: yaarnu therla athu...

Riyazz
19th November 2010, 11:17 AM
enaku poll vechathu kooda insulting-a theriyala. Aana Sourav-ku oru vote vizhunthirukku, who is that karuppu aadu :evil: always ridiculing ganguly... :sigh2:
intha poll nadathuravanga etc... pls inimae yethulayum ganguly-i serkatheenga... we know wat kinda response he will get every time.... :lol: sorry sourav.. unga vedhanai enakku puriyuthu... :roll: yetho ulkuttha solra maathiri irukke... nan ellam vote podalappa... :oops: yaarnu therla athu... unga perunu vote pannitingala........ :P

Plum
19th November 2010, 11:21 AM
Ganguly bashing paRRiya mElmuRaiyIdu ellAm CM(Feeyar) kitta kodunga. nAnga veRum poll officers. power lEdhu.

Ramakrishna
19th November 2010, 11:24 AM
Ganguly bashing paRRiya mElmuRaiyIdu ellAm CM(Feeyar) kitta kodunga. nAnga veRum poll officers. power lEdhu.

neenga poll vechathanaalathaaney naa bash panna vendiyathaapochu. Thappu seiyuravana vida thappu seiyya thoonduravanukkuthaan thandanai.

Sourav
19th November 2010, 11:24 AM
enaku poll vechathu kooda insulting-a theriyala. Aana Sourav-ku oru vote vizhunthirukku, who is that karuppu aadu :evil: always ridiculing ganguly... :sigh2:
intha poll nadathuravanga etc... pls inimae yethulayum ganguly-i serkatheenga... we know wat kinda response he will get every time.... :lol: sorry sourav.. unga vedhanai enakku puriyuthu... :roll: yetho ulkuttha solra maathiri irukke... nan ellam vote podalappa... :oops: yaarnu therla athu... unga perunu vote pannitingala........ :P :evil: :twisted:

steveaustin
19th November 2010, 11:27 AM
:lol:
Oppicer Plum,

For me, it is their opinion. I've to respect it. இது அனைவருக்கும் பொருந்தும் என்று நினைக்கிறேன். கறுப்புக் கண்ணாடி போட்டுக்கொண்டு பார்த்தால் கொஞ்சம் மங்கலாகத் தான் தெரியும்.

Riyazz
19th November 2010, 11:27 AM
Ganguly bashing paRRiya mElmuRaiyIdu ellAm CM(Feeyar) kitta kodunga. nAnga veRum poll officers. power lEdhu.

neenga poll vechathanaalathaaney naa bash panna vendiyathaapochu. Thappu seiyuravana vida thappu seiyya thoonduravanukkuthaan thandanai. :yes: ellam plum nala than.........

raajarasigan
19th November 2010, 11:30 AM
enaku poll vechathu kooda insulting-a theriyala. Aana Sourav-ku oru vote vizhunthirukku, who is that karuppu aadu :evil: always ridiculing ganguly... :sigh2:
intha poll nadathuravanga etc... pls inimae yethulayum ganguly-i serkatheenga... we know wat kinda response he will get every time.... :lol: sorry sourav.. unga vedhanai enakku puriyuthu... :roll: yetho ulkuttha solra maathiri irukke... nan ellam vote podalappa... :oops: yaarnu therla athu...ulkuthu ellam illeng... enakku gangulya pudikkin.. captaina.. ODI batsman konjam konjam pudikkin (2000-2004)..

Sourav
19th November 2010, 11:30 AM
just quoting from feddy's post... no time to search ganguly;s stat etc... this stat itself enough to get a spot in this poll i feel.


Ningale podathappo naanum podalai. But still if anybody wants to vote for sachin here are the reasons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achievements_of_Sachin_Tendulkar#ODI

After Sachin crossed the 10,000-run mark in ODIs, only seven other players have managed to cross the milestone: (Sanath Jayasuriya, Sourav Ganguly, Rahul Dravid, Ricky Ponting, Brian Lara, Inzamam ul Haq, and Jacques Kallis).

Partnership Records:

Sachin Tendulkar with Sourav Ganguly hold the world record for the maximum number of runs scored by the opening partnership. They have put together 6,609 runs in 136 matches that includes 21 century partnerships and 23 fifty run partnerships.[13]

The 20 century partnerships for opening pair is also a world record.
Sachin Tendulkar and Rahul Dravid hold the world record for the highest partnership in ODI matches when they scored 331 runs against New Zealand in 1999 at the LBS, Hyderabad[14]

Sachin Tendulkar has been involved in six 200 run partnerships in ODI matches - a record that he shares with Sourav Ganguly and Rahul Dravid.[15]

Plum
19th November 2010, 11:31 AM
Ganguly bashing paRRiya mElmuRaiyIdu ellAm CM(Feeyar) kitta kodunga. nAnga veRum poll officers. power lEdhu.

neenga poll vechathanaalathaaney naa bash panna vendiyathaapochu. Thappu seiyuravana vida thappu seiyya thoonduravanukkuthaan thandanai. :yes: ellam plum nala than.........

ada pAavigaLA!

idhukkellAm bayandhu nAn indha initiative-ai niRutha mAttEn :-)

Plum
19th November 2010, 11:44 AM
Feeyaar, indha pollkum oru auto-deadline mark paNNidunga. By 24th, we'll finish #1 and #4 and move on.

For #5 and #6, I am open to considering only all rounders for #6 or include Bevan among allrounders for #6.

LM - how do you want it? Do you want to nominate Bevan for #5 accepting that #6 will be an all rounder slot

Or will you nominate Bevan for #6 even if we mark that as a medium pace allrounder slot?

raajarasigan
19th November 2010, 11:46 AM
just quoting from feddy's post... no time to search ganguly;s stat etc... this stat itself enough to get a spot in this poll i feel.


Ningale podathappo naanum podalai. But still if anybody wants to vote for sachin here are the reasons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achievements_of_Sachin_Tendulkar#ODI

After Sachin crossed the 10,000-run mark in ODIs, only seven other players have managed to cross the milestone: (Sanath Jayasuriya, Sourav Ganguly, Rahul Dravid, Ricky Ponting, Brian Lara, Inzamam ul Haq, and Jacques Kallis).

Partnership Records:

Sachin Tendulkar with Sourav Ganguly hold the world record for the maximum number of runs scored by the opening partnership. They have put together 6,609 runs in 136 matches that includes 21 century partnerships and 23 fifty run partnerships.[13]

The 20 century partnerships for opening pair is also a world record.
Sachin Tendulkar and Rahul Dravid hold the world record for the highest partnership in ODI matches when they scored 331 runs against New Zealand in 1999 at the LBS, Hyderabad[14]

Sachin Tendulkar has been involved in six 200 run partnerships in ODI matches - a record that he shares with Sourav Ganguly and Rahul Dravid.[15]
poovodu saerndha naarum mankkum :huh: :yessir:

Plum
19th November 2010, 11:49 AM
Greatbatch-ai ellAm sErthurukkOm - adhai vuttuputt 10000 ODI runs edutha Saurav Ganguly-ai edhukku kalAikkaNumngaREn :evil:

MADDY
19th November 2010, 11:54 AM
5/17 people didnt want sachin as no.1 and people like steve have given good reasoning for it - so the decision was done without taking 29% of people's opinon - i think my point is proved here.....

P_R
19th November 2010, 11:56 AM
LM and Sridhar,

One of the openers should be Sachin is my opinion. But when it comes to #1 position, then my priority on strike rate and no. of 100s and 50s made me to vote for him.
Nember 1-kum Nember 2-kum ennanga vithyAsam ?
mudhal thadavaiyaa ippidi oNNu kELvip paduREn.

P_R
19th November 2010, 11:57 AM
Warne-Murali - eagerly looking forward to. Neraya pEru tea kudippom :lol:
adhu nadakkAdhu. :P
naan andha saNdaikkE vara mAttEnE :poke:

Policy statement: I will rather vote for a much less effective bowler than pick Murali.

19thmay
19th November 2010, 11:57 AM
5/17 people didnt want sachin as no.1 and people like steve have given good reasoning for it - so the polls were done without taking 29% of people's opinon - i think my point is proved here.....

:clap: apparam?

Bala (Karthik)
19th November 2010, 11:57 AM
5/17 people didnt want sachin as no.1 and people like steve have given good reasoning for it - so the polls were done without taking 29% of people's opinon - i think my point is proved here.....

:clap: apparam?
:lol:

P_R
19th November 2010, 11:58 AM
and people like steve have given good reasoning for it ..
sari appo neengaLaavadhu sollunga, what is the difference between number one and number two. suththamA puriyalai :confused2:

Plum
19th November 2010, 11:59 AM
Maddy, you were waiting to say this, weren't you?

This is provocation. That even the worst family enemy of Sachin will agree that Sachin HAS to be selected as opener in any all time XI is a given. If someone denys this, his cricketing knowledge has to be questioned. Sorry about that.
What reasons from Steve? That he cannot be #1 - who said this poll is for the striker facing the first ball? Even in real matches, Selectors and captain only select opening combinations - they cant dicate who faces first. Several instances have happened where the designated #1 goes to non striker end in a last minute agreement with the partner. So, using that as a basis to create anti-sachin case is :lol:. idhukku nInga adhai oru reasonA quote vERA paNdrInga!

I understood your need to conduct a poll so I helped with that. Using that to say your point is proven that Sachin is not an unanimous choice is cynical.

littlemaster1982
19th November 2010, 12:00 PM
For #5 and #6, I am open to considering only all rounders for #6 or include Bevan among allrounders for #6.

LM - how do you want it? Do you want to nominate Bevan for #5 accepting that #6 will be an all rounder slot

Or will you nominate Bevan for #6 even if we mark that as a medium pace allrounder slot?

Bevan is best fit for #6. I would like to nominate Bevan for #6 even if it is marked for allrounders. Is allrounder really a must in this team? Just asking.

19thmay
19th November 2010, 12:01 PM
yempa naangellam innum vote-y podala, adhukke indha mass, vote-u pOtta? Ippove deposit already gaali!

littlemaster1982
19th November 2010, 12:03 PM
LM and Sridhar,

One of the openers should be Sachin is my opinion. But when it comes to #1 position, then my priority on strike rate and no. of 100s and 50s made me to vote for him. Nothing else. But for that 'Sachin Haters' and 'kaRuppu Adu' is unnecessary. I am following cricket thoroughly from the toss itself. That's why I've voted for Sehwag. :P

Steve,

As I said #1 doesn't necessarily mean Sachin will always take the strike. Sachin is fixed and the contest is for the other opener. In this case, I would take it as you selected Sehwag as Sachin's batting partner. Fine? ;)

P_R
19th November 2010, 12:04 PM
We have Sachin, de Silva, Jayasuriya and (possibly) Steve Waugh as part time bowlers. So we can afford to go for a pure batsman too.

Puliyan_Biryani
19th November 2010, 12:05 PM
and people like steve have given good reasoning for it ..
sari appo neengaLaavadhu sollunga, what is the difference between number one and number two. suththamA puriyalai :confused2:
enakkum puriyalai :confused2:.

rendume onnudhaana, kozhappareengale :oops:.

MADDY
19th November 2010, 12:05 PM
Maddy, you were waiting to say this, weren't you?

This is provocation. That even the worst family enemy of Sachin will agree that Sachin HAS to be selected as opener in any all time XI is a given. If someone denys this, his cricketing knowledge has to be questioned. Sorry about that.

edhukkunga sorry ketkureenga - thittanum-nnu mudivu pannitteenga..........what is provocation here - i identified a gap in ur process and proved it - now its upto u to accept it-correct it or deny it...........if im not interested in ur polls - i wouldnt have taken so much time - just ignored it rite?? :huh: .....again, i never questioned u guys credibility - i just questioned the process.....


I understood your need to conduct a poll so I helped with that. Using that to say your point is proven that Sachin is not an unanimous choice is cynical.

lets not get into my personal attributes - my question is there in front of u - stats are there in front of u - interpretation varies, ofcourse...........pls stop "assuming" what my intentions are :D

P_R
19th November 2010, 12:08 PM
MADDY, the question is simple:

Sachin Tendulkar is the greatest opener in ODIs

a) it's a fact
b) it's an opinion (and possibly your opinion too)

You pick b, which seems extremely curious, because it is much an established fact as it can get.

idhukku ellAm eppidi froop paNNa mudiyin?

19thmay
19th November 2010, 12:09 PM
Intentions are quite clear Sudhir, hope you remember what you spoke last month @ Kanyakumari. Now tell me, why I should not interpret?

raajarasigan
19th November 2010, 12:17 PM
Greatbatch-ai ellAm sErthurukkOm - adhai vuttuputt 10000 ODI runs edutha Saurav Ganguly-ai edhukku kalAikkaNumngaREn :evil:andha option poll'a purakkanikkaravangalukku.. 8-)

MADDY
19th November 2010, 12:17 PM
Intentions are quite clear Sudhir, hope you remember what you spoke last month @ Kanyakumari. Now tell me, why I should not interpret?

Sridhar - i can say the same abt u - but its going to get us nowhere.......

P_R
19th November 2010, 12:18 PM
Flau, naan Murali-yai reNdu thittu thitti, neenga Warnie-yai reNdu thittu thitti, dhisai thiruppinA dhaan , sarippadumnu ninaikkuREn.

19thmay
19th November 2010, 12:21 PM
Intentions are quite clear Sudhir, hope you remember what you spoke last month @ Kanyakumari. Now tell me, why I should not interpret?

Sridhar - i can say the same abt u - but its going to get us nowhere.......

:roll:

I was speaking 'for' Sachin and you were saying some points against Sachin. Why you are not ready to discuss in the forum?Thats my point! Nevertheless its your wish!!

Puliyan_Biryani
19th November 2010, 12:22 PM
Greatbatch-ai ellAm sErthurukkOm - adhai vuttuputt 10000 ODI runs edutha Saurav Ganguly-ai edhukku kalAikkaNumngaREn :evil:andha option poll'a purakkanikkaravangalukku.. 8-)
Greatbatch-naa ellaarukkum elakkaaramaa pochaa :evil:? Didn't he revolutionize ODI opening by going over the field during the first 15 overs? ange irundhudhaane Ranatunga copy adichaaru?

raajarasigan
19th November 2010, 12:23 PM
Greatbatch-ai ellAm sErthurukkOm - adhai vuttuputt 10000 ODI runs edutha Saurav Ganguly-ai edhukku kalAikkaNumngaREn :evil:andha option poll'a purakkanikkaravangalukku.. 8-)
Greatbatch-naa ellaarukkum elakkaaramaa pochaa :evil:? Didn't he revolutionize ODI opening by going over the field during the first 15 overs? ange irundhudhaane Ranatunga copy adichaaru?Puli, it was even before that.. our chekka started this..

P_R
19th November 2010, 12:24 PM
puLi, namma SreegandhE avarukku munnAdiyE sila pala tayam (inconsistentA) adichurukaaplayE.

MADDY
19th November 2010, 12:25 PM
Intentions are quite clear Sudhir, hope you remember what you spoke last month @ Kanyakumari. Now tell me, why I should not interpret?

Sridhar - i can say the same abt u - but its going to get us nowhere.......

:roll:

I was speaking 'for' Sachin and you were saying some points against Sachin. Why you are not ready to discuss in the forum?Thats my point! Nevertheless its your wish!!

yes, u were speaking "for" sachin, i was speaking "against" sachin - but if u equate that with my questioning of the "poll process" and saying that is my intention for asking questions then thats really sad.........u r taking a personal conversation and establishing grounds for calling me a "intentionalist"

littlemaster1982
19th November 2010, 12:26 PM
and people like steve have given good reasoning for it ..
sari appo neengaLaavadhu sollunga, what is the difference between number one and number two. suththamA puriyalai :confused2:
enakkum puriyalai :confused2:.

rendume onnudhaana, kozhappareengale :oops:.

Sachin faced the first ball of the innings (i.e he took the strike) in these matches: vs Pak (http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/65268.html), vs SL (http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/65278.html) & vs Aus (http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/65286.html). So he is #1 batsman here.

Normally Sachin doesn't take the strike when he opens (Ex: vs Namibia (http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/65257.html)). In this case, he is the #2 batsman.

Hope this is clear.

Puliyan_Biryani
19th November 2010, 12:27 PM
Sreegaandhu time-la fielding restriction illaiye?

//ada theriyumunga. chumma chumma :D//

littlemaster1982
19th November 2010, 12:29 PM
puLi, namma SreegandhE avarukku munnAdiyE sila pala tayam (inconsistentA) adichurukaaplayE.

But, it was widely attributed Greatbatch started the trend. I mean, everyone took notice of that tactic only after 92 WC. Jayasuriya and Kalu took it to a different level in 96 WC. Idhukku naduvuladhan Sachin 94-la opening irangi dhuvamsam panna aarambicharu. Idhaan history :P

steveaustin
19th November 2010, 12:31 PM
Thanks LM. :)

I have posted that one earlier too.

Sachin Tendulkar #1 (Taking strike from the first ball)
Sachin Tendulkar #2 (Non-striker)

P_R
19th November 2010, 12:31 PM
Sreegaandhu time-la fielding restriction illaiye? appo avar dhaanga veeraru.

Hemingway அன்றே சொன்னார் anyone can be a fisherman in May

19thmay
19th November 2010, 12:32 PM
Maddy - I wont take anything personally. Hope you know that.

Anyway lets leave this. :roll:

P_R
19th November 2010, 12:34 PM
and people like steve have given good reasoning for it ..
sari appo neengaLaavadhu sollunga, what is the difference between number one and number two. suththamA puriyalai :confused2:
enakkum puriyalai :confused2:.

rendume onnudhaana, kozhappareengale :oops:.

Sachin faced the first ball of the innings (i.e he took the strike) in these matches: vs Pak (http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/65268.html), vs SL (http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/65278.html) & vs Aus (http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/65286.html). So he is #1 batsman here.

Normally Sachin doesn't take the strike when he opens (Ex: vs Namibia (http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/65257.html)). In this case, he is the #2 batsman.

Hope this is clear.

ada adhu puriyudhunga. But what difference does it make in evaluating him as an opener 'ngrOm.

littlemaster1982
19th November 2010, 12:35 PM
ada adhu puriyudhunga. But what difference does it make in evaluating him as an opener 'ngrOm.

Idhai ivvalavu theliva munnadiye kekka koodatha :twisted: Naan vera link-lam thedi edhuthu pottirukken :oops:

MADDY
19th November 2010, 12:39 PM
MADDY, the question is simple:

Sachin Tendulkar is the greatest opener in ODIs

a) it's a fact
b) it's an opinion (and possibly your opinion too)

You pick b, which seems extremely curious, because it is much an established fact as it can get.

idhukku ellAm eppidi froop paNNa mudiyin?

fact ellam ok - dont u think Akram - with 502 wickets, 3.89 economy rate and 23.52 average is the greatest fast bowler of all times in ODIs is a fact as well - poll vekkama viduveengala???

Micheal bevan is the best no.6 with bradmaneque average of 53.58- is he a automatic choice - NO??

sachin is miles ahead of other openers and the difference between sachin and other openers>>>>>akram/bevan and their competitors but i sincerely* feel same rules should be set for all......

anyways, what started as questioning the process has ballooned into such a big arguement.....however, i agree to feddy's point that it does tantamount to unneccessary questioning of a good work done by Plum/Sridhar........so i would like to stop here, provided there are no more questions brought in........

raajarasigan
19th November 2010, 12:39 PM
ada adhu puriyudhunga. But what difference does it make in evaluating him as an opener 'ngrOm.

Idhai ivvalavu theliva munnadiye kekka koodatha :twisted: Naan vera link-lam thedi edhuthu pottirukken :oops: :lol:

raajarasigan
19th November 2010, 12:49 PM
MADDY, the question is simple:

Sachin Tendulkar is the greatest opener in ODIs

a) it's a fact
b) it's an opinion (and possibly your opinion too)

You pick b, which seems extremely curious, because it is much an established fact as it can get.

idhukku ellAm eppidi froop paNNa mudiyin?

sachin is miles ahead of other openers and the difference between sachin and other openers>>>>>akram/bevan and their competitors but i sincerely* feel same rules should be set for all......
Totally agree on this.. the problem is, people who wanted to have a poll for sachin (OR the process as Maddy said) are projected as sachin haters OR questioning sachin's credibility as a opener..

I voted sachin in this poll just before posting this.. :)

P_R
19th November 2010, 12:55 PM
Okay fine. Next question:

Those of you who voted for choices other than Sachin, please make your arguments.

Vivasaayi
19th November 2010, 01:00 PM
Okay fine. Next question:

Those of you who voted for choices other than Sachin, please make your arguments.

koot kostin!...reason for the vote

Puliyan_Biryani
19th November 2010, 01:02 PM
ada adhu puriyudhunga. But what difference does it make in evaluating him as an opener 'ngrOm.

Idhai ivvalavu theliva munnadiye kekka koodatha :twisted: Naan vera link-lam thedi edhuthu pottirukken :oops:
LM :rotfl:. edhukku ivlo dhum katti eggjaample ellaam.

yaaru strike eduthaa enna, rendu perume openers-dhaane? Does it affect the outcome? OK maybe, some people might think of luck and prefer taking first strike and vice versa. idhai thavira vera endha reason-um ennaala yosikka mudiyalai :oops:

littlemaster1982
19th November 2010, 01:05 PM
yaaru strike eduthaa enna, rendu perume openers-dhaane? Does it affect the outcome? OK maybe, some people might think of luck and prefer taking first strike and vice versa. idhai thavira vera endha reason-um ennaala yosikka mudiyalai :oops:

Actually Sachin took strike in the matches I specified, because he wanted to attack from the start and asked Sehwag for it. Other than that, there is nothing more than a literal meaning for #1 and #2.

MADDY
19th November 2010, 01:06 PM
Sehwag - more dynamic and more exciting to watch.....sachin is my other opener - jayasurya ellam completely unseletted....

Vivasaayi
19th November 2010, 01:09 PM
Sehwag - more dynamic and more exciting to watch.....sachin is my other opener - jayasurya ellam completely unseletted....

ippo ulladhulla its between sahin and shewag right?..jayasurya already been slected.

So between sachin and shewag you have selected shewag..apdithana?

Dinesh84
19th November 2010, 01:09 PM
Sehwag - more dynamic and more exciting to watch.....sachin is my other opener - jayasurya ellam completely unseletted....
thereUR

raajarasigan
19th November 2010, 01:10 PM
People who voted for sehwag would have considered that he is more aggressive than sachin... he can thrash the opponent from the first ball..

Puliyan_Biryani
19th November 2010, 01:11 PM
Other than that, there is nothing more than a literal meaning for #1 and #2.
idhaidhaanungo naanum PR-um kekkarom :D.

Ramakrishna
19th November 2010, 01:12 PM
Sourav-a select panna Sourav, vanthu reason sollunga, 10000 ODI runs nu ellaam solla koodaathu. :evil:

MADDY
19th November 2010, 01:15 PM
Sourav-a select panna Sourav, vanthu reason sollunga, 10000 ODI runs nu ellaam solla koodaathu. :evil:

he voted for sachin FYKI :P

Dinesh84
19th November 2010, 01:15 PM
voting is a secret process AFAIK.. yaaruku pottom nu sollavum thevai illai athuku reason um kuduka thevai illai.. IMO.. but naan sollitaen yaaruku pottaen ntu..

littlemaster1982
19th November 2010, 01:16 PM
Sourav-a select panna Sourav, vanthu reason sollunga, 10000 ODI runs nu ellaam solla koodaathu. :evil:

Avardhan Sachin-kku vote pannadha sollittar-la. Nee edhukku Ganguly fans ellaraiyum vambukku izhukkara :twisted:

Ramakrishna
19th November 2010, 01:17 PM
voting is a secret process AFAIK.. yaaruku pottom nu sollavum thevai illai athuku reason um kuduka thevai illai.. IMO.. but naan sollitaen yaaruku pottaen ntu..

Hub la rules are redefined. Inga solliye aaganum :P

ajithfederer
19th November 2010, 01:19 PM
Is there anyway to ban him lm?. Please edhavadhu vali pannunga :)


Sourav-a select panna Sourav, vanthu reason sollunga, 10000 ODI runs nu ellaam solla koodaathu. :evil:

Avardhan Sachin-kku vote pannadha sollittar-la. Nee edhukku Ganguly fans ellaraiyum vambukku izhukkara :twisted:

MADDY
19th November 2010, 01:20 PM
Sehwag - more dynamic and more exciting to watch.....sachin is my other opener - jayasurya ellam completely unseletted....

ippo ulladhulla its between sahin and shewag right?..jayasurya already been slected.

So between sachin and shewag you have selected shewag..apdithana?

no- i dont accept sayasurya and all - it had to be sachin-gilchrist or sachin-sehwag for me, anyday......since gilchrist was missed from this poll, i voted for sehwag....

Plum
19th November 2010, 01:20 PM
We have Sachin, de Silva, Jayasuriya and (possibly) Steve Waugh as part time bowlers. So we can afford to go for a pure batsman too.

Point taken - #6 nominations can be pure batsmen or medium pace allrounders. Spinning allrounders vENAm please since we have Jaya, sachin and Aravinda already.

littlemaster1982
19th November 2010, 01:21 PM
People who voted for sehwag would have considered that he is more aggressive than sachin... he can thrash the opponent from the first ball..

Sehwag is much more successful as a opener in tests than ODIs. In fact, people were scratching their heads why Sehwag wasn't getting high scores regularly when the format is most suited for his style. Only after his comeback, he is playing much better in ODIs.

littlemaster1982
19th November 2010, 01:21 PM
Chinna paiyan, mannichu vittudunga :)


Is there anyway to ban him lm?. Please edhavadhu vali pannunga :)


Sourav-a select panna Sourav, vanthu reason sollunga, 10000 ODI runs nu ellaam solla koodaathu. :evil:

Avardhan Sachin-kku vote pannadha sollittar-la. Nee edhukku Ganguly fans ellaraiyum vambukku izhukkara :twisted:

littlemaster1982
19th November 2010, 01:22 PM
Sehwag - more dynamic and more exciting to watch.....sachin is my other opener - jayasurya ellam completely unseletted....

ippo ulladhulla its between sahin and shewag right?..jayasurya already been slected.

So between sachin and shewag you have selected shewag..apdithana?

no- i dont accept sayasurya and all - it had to be sachin-gilchrist or sachin-sehwag for me, anyday......since gilchrist was missed from this poll, i voted for sehwag....

Just curious, for whom did you vote in the other thread (batting partner for Sachin)?

MADDY
19th November 2010, 01:25 PM
Sehwag - more dynamic and more exciting to watch.....sachin is my other opener - jayasurya ellam completely unseletted....

ippo ulladhulla its between sahin and shewag right?..jayasurya already been slected.

So between sachin and shewag you have selected shewag..apdithana?

no- i dont accept sayasurya and all - it had to be sachin-gilchrist or sachin-sehwag for me, anyday......since gilchrist was missed from this poll, i voted for sehwag....

Just curious, for whom did you vote in the other thread (batting partner for Sachin)?

i was disappointed that gilly lost out but i didnt vote i think

Plum
19th November 2010, 01:26 PM
tensanappA orE tensan!

sari ippO enna dhAn thIrppu?

Poll vechadhu sariyO thappO, poll vechAchu, Sachin is winning the poll. idhai ithOda mudichuralAmA?
I am itching to get into Murali vs Warne with Feeyar :devil:

subam.

Ramakrishna
19th November 2010, 01:28 PM
no- i dont accept sayasurya

name twisting :evil:

ajithfederer
19th November 2010, 01:29 PM
ner #2 in the HUB ODI team (90's+)
Viru Virumandi Sehwag
8%
8% [ 2 ]
Dada Sourav Ganguly
21%
21% [ 5 ]
'Ghatothkajan' Hayden
4%
4% [ 1 ]
'Entertainer' GillyChrist
26%
26% [ 6 ]
SuryA-dA, Jayasurya
34%
34% [ 8 ]
'194 vada pOchE' Saeed Anwar
0%
0% [ 0 ]
'ivan epdi inga vandhAn' Nathan Astle
0%
0% [ 0 ]
'Silk' Smitha..er.. Mark Waugh
0%
0% [ 0 ]
puyal Dilshan
0%
0% [ 0 ]
Cool Cat Chris Gayle
4%
4% [ 1 ]

Ninga vote podaliya?. Nalla yosichu sollunga.





Sehwag - more dynamic and more exciting to watch.....sachin is my other opener - jayasurya ellam completely unseletted....

ippo ulladhulla its between sahin and shewag right?..jayasurya already been slected.

So between sachin and shewag you have selected shewag..apdithana?

no- i dont accept sayasurya and all - it had to be sachin-gilchrist or sachin-sehwag for me, anyday......since gilchrist was missed from this poll, i voted for sehwag....

Just curious, for whom did you vote in the other thread (batting partner for Sachin)?

i was disappointed that gilly lost out but i didnt vote i think

Bala (Karthik)
19th November 2010, 01:30 PM
I am itching to get into Murali vs Warne with Feeyar :devil:

subam.
Yes. I am Waran

MADDY
19th November 2010, 01:30 PM
no- i dont accept sayasurya

name twisting :evil:

no, its a typo :P

raajarasigan
19th November 2010, 01:30 PM
Sehwag - more dynamic and more exciting to watch.....sachin is my other opener - jayasurya ellam completely unseletted....

ippo ulladhulla its between sahin and shewag right?..jayasurya already been slected.

So between sachin and shewag you have selected shewag..apdithana?

no- i dont accept sayasurya and all - it had to be sachin-gilchrist or sachin-sehwag for me, anyday......since gilchrist was missed from this poll, i voted for sehwag....I too wanted sachin-gilchrist.. appadi than naan andha poll'a gilchrist'kku vote potten.. aana miss aagidichu... inga kooda gilchrista sachina'nu kuzhambi..kadaisila sachin'ke pottutten...

MADDY
19th November 2010, 01:31 PM
Ninga vote podaliya?. Nalla yosichu sollunga.





Sehwag - more dynamic and more exciting to watch.....sachin is my other opener - jayasurya ellam completely unseletted....

ippo ulladhulla its between sahin and shewag right?..jayasurya already been slected.

So between sachin and shewag you have selected shewag..apdithana?

no- i dont accept sayasurya and all - it had to be sachin-gilchrist or sachin-sehwag for me, anyday......since gilchrist was missed from this poll, i voted for sehwag....

Just curious, for whom did you vote in the other thread (batting partner for Sachin)?

i was disappointed that gilly lost out but i didnt vote i think

i honestly dont remember voting, u can request the voters list from P_R and maybe check.........

littlemaster1982
19th November 2010, 01:33 PM
no- i dont accept sayasurya and all - it had to be sachin-gilchrist or sachin-sehwag for me, anyday......since gilchrist was missed from this poll, i voted for sehwag....

Just curious, for whom did you vote in the other thread (batting partner for Sachin)?

i was disappointed that gilly lost out but i didnt vote i think

So your choice was Gilly in that thread, right? And you voted for Sehwag in this thread, which means you want Gilly-Sehwag combination. Engaiyo idikkudhey :?

MADDY
19th November 2010, 01:34 PM
inga kooda gilchrista sachina'nu kuzhambi..kadaisila sachin'ke pottutten...

gilchrist irundhara indha poll-la :oops: evalavu periya name

MADDY
19th November 2010, 01:35 PM
no- i dont accept sayasurya and all - it had to be sachin-gilchrist or sachin-sehwag for me, anyday......since gilchrist was missed from this poll, i voted for sehwag....

Just curious, for whom did you vote in the other thread (batting partner for Sachin)?

i was disappointed that gilly lost out but i didnt vote i think

So your choice was Gilly in that thread, right? And you voted for Sehwag in this thread, which means you want Gilly-Sehwag combination. Engaiyo idikkudhey :?

that thread didnt have sachin rite - so anga dhaan idichidhhu.......

Ramakrishna
19th November 2010, 01:36 PM
So your choice was Gilly in that thread, right? And you voted for Sehwag in this thread, which means you want Gilly-Sehwag combination. Engaiyo idikkudhey :?

That time Sachin was decided as an opener and he would have voted for Gilly. Ippo neenga marubadiyum 2nd opener ku poll aarambinga, yaarukku vote podraarunnu paaklaam.

MADDY
19th November 2010, 01:37 PM
So your choice was Gilly in that thread, right? And you voted for Sehwag in this thread, which means you want Gilly-Sehwag combination. Engaiyo idikkudhey :?

That time Sachin was decided as an opener and he would have voted for Gilly. Ippo neenga marubadiyum 2nd opener ku poll aarambinga, yaarukku vote podraarunnu paaklaam.

i voted for Sehwag - not seeing gilly was there :oops:

littlemaster1982
19th November 2010, 01:37 PM
that thread didnt have sachin rite - so anga dhaan idichidhhu.......

Back to square one :lol:

P_R
19th November 2010, 01:38 PM
Gilchrist engeyum pOyidalai.
ennOda nember 7 avar dhaan.

Ramakrishna
19th November 2010, 01:42 PM
Gilchrist engeyum pOyidalai.
ennOda nember 7 avar dhaan.

No.7 la i don't think he will be that effective. Yuvraj/ Bevan or even Dhoni are better.

P_R
19th November 2010, 01:43 PM
I am itching to get into Murali vs Warne with Feeyar :devil:

Frame of reference-E tally aagaadhE.
As I said I am not even going to get drawn into a comparison of the effectiveness.

btw IngilandhulErndhu oru naaminEsa(n) kooda varamAttikkudhu.
ungaLukku kudhoogalam peerikkittu varumE :lol2:

Ramakrishna
19th November 2010, 01:44 PM
So your choice was Gilly in that thread, right? And you voted for Sehwag in this thread, which means you want Gilly-Sehwag combination. Engaiyo idikkudhey :?

That time Sachin was decided as an opener and he would have voted for Gilly. Ippo neenga marubadiyum 2nd opener ku poll aarambinga, yaarukku vote podraarunnu paaklaam.

i voted for Sehwag - not seeing gilly was there :oops:

Ok, Opener #1 choice Gilly. Opener #2?

P_R
19th November 2010, 01:45 PM
Gilchrist engeyum pOyidalai.
ennOda nember 7 avar dhaan.

No.7 la i don't think he will be that effective. Yuvraj/ Bevan or even Dhoni are better.

Nevaire. Anyway, varisaiyA varuvOm.

MADDY
19th November 2010, 01:47 PM
So your choice was Gilly in that thread, right? And you voted for Sehwag in this thread, which means you want Gilly-Sehwag combination. Engaiyo idikkudhey :?

That time Sachin was decided as an opener and he would have voted for Gilly. Ippo neenga marubadiyum 2nd opener ku poll aarambinga, yaarukku vote podraarunnu paaklaam.

i voted for Sehwag - not seeing gilly was there :oops:

Ok, Opener #1 choice Gilly. Opener #2?

Sachin dhaanungo

Dinesh84
19th November 2010, 01:47 PM
btw IngilandhulErndhu oru naaminEsa(n) kooda varamAttikkudhu.
ungaLukku kudhoogalam peerikkittu varumE :lol2:
:D Filntoff for bowling allrounder spot! :yes:

P_R
19th November 2010, 01:50 PM
Ok shall we close this dhreat now and get back to business with nember 5?

ajithfederer
19th November 2010, 01:50 PM
Jayasurya has already been selected as one of the openers through polling process(don ask me if it is 1 or 2). So this poll is for the remaining spot.

P_R
19th November 2010, 01:54 PM
(don ask me if it is 1 or 2). :lol:
under 14 ellAm viLayAdumbOdhu, opening bowler (overage) dhadi maadu maadhiri irundhA, the cleverer of openers will choose to be the nonstriker. But the reprief will be shortlived as the strike will be rotated almost immediately.

19thmay
19th November 2010, 01:58 PM
btw IngilandhulErndhu oru naaminEsa(n) kooda varamAttikkudhu.
ungaLukku kudhoogalam peerikkittu varumE :lol2:
:D Filntoff for bowling allrounder spot! :yes:

No, Kallis, easily! 8-)

Sourav
19th November 2010, 01:59 PM
Sourav-a select panna Sourav, vanthu reason sollunga, 10000 ODI runs nu ellaam solla koodaathu. :evil:
oru mudivoda than irukkeengala.... :twisted:

Puliyan_Biryani
19th November 2010, 02:02 PM
puLi, namma SreegandhE avarukku munnAdiyE sila pala tayam (inconsistentA) adichurukaaplayE.

But, it was widely attributed Greatbatch started the trend. I mean, everyone took notice of that tactic only after 92 WC. Jayasuriya and Kalu took it to a different level in 96 WC. Idhukku naduvuladhan Sachin 94-la opening irangi dhuvamsam panna aarambicharu. Idhaan history :P
92 World Cup-la Indhiyaa-na udane nyabagam varradhu - Srikkanth's shot against Patel-dhaan :lol:. paavam Anandha Vikatan-la ellaam manushanai kichaas joke-ku nallaa use pannittaainga.

Another comedy was South Africa needing 22 runs of 1 ball. IIRC, Kumudham's 6 vidhyaasam had a joke like this "P1: avanga edhukku umpire-kooda sandai podaraanga. P2: mazhai vandhadhaale 1 ball-la 251 run adikka sonnaaraam" :rotfl:

raajarasigan
19th November 2010, 02:35 PM
btw IngilandhulErndhu oru naaminEsa(n) kooda varamAttikkudhu.
ungaLukku kudhoogalam peerikkittu varumE :lol2:
:D Filntoff for bowling allrounder spot! :yes:

No, Kallis, easily! 8-)Allrounder spot'kku Flintoof, Cairns, Symonds, Klusener'nu niraya terrors mindla irukku...

Maniraj
19th November 2010, 02:36 PM
Lance klusuner :yes:

Riyazz
19th November 2010, 02:48 PM
Klusner :2thumbsup:

HonestRaj
19th November 2010, 07:12 PM
and people like steve have given good reasoning for it ..
sari appo neengaLaavadhu sollunga, what is the difference between number one and number two. suththamA puriyalai :confused2:

:lol:

jani veedu engedaaa... :lol: (ninaivirukkum varai - vivek)

Dhakshan
19th November 2010, 08:20 PM
:lol: