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P_R
25th October 2012, 05:36 PM
அப்போ மான நஷ்ட ஈடு ஆளுக்கு பப்பாதி குடுப்பாங்களா இருக்கும்.

Anban
25th October 2012, 06:36 PM
I suspect that Kamal cautiously updated Facebook that way

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
25th October 2012, 08:14 PM
Now its Mani's Turn to write about Naayagan!

Maniratnam on #NAYAKAN (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23NAYAKAN&src=hash) http://www.thehindu.com/arts/cinema/balance-that-has-spelt-success/article4030926.ece … (http://t.co/QXiJaFku) & #Nayakan25 (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Nayakan25&src=hash) http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/features/weekend-life/the-man-who-made-nayakan/article4028167.ece … (http://t.co/ZfJNvDG0) #kamalhaasan (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23kamalhaasan&src=hash)

Nasc
25th October 2012, 08:24 PM
NDTV INTERVIEW

http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/ndtv-special-ndtv-24x7/kamal-haasan-talks-about-vishwaroopam-and-hollywood-debut/252100?hp

wow...gutsy interviewer ...irir please note,there is a question abt him reusing international stories

venkkiram
25th October 2012, 08:45 PM
Now one very disconcerting thing in the film is this boy grows up in the heart of Bombay but does not know Hindi. Was this done for the convenience of the audience?

Mani: There are two aspects to this. There’s a resistance. I was in Bombay for two years but the amount of Hindi I picked up is nothing. We’re not saying he doesn’t understand. We’re just saying he doesn’t care to speak. In my opinion the emotional content is more important than the logic. This is a very conscious decision we took. The flow was more important.

**** Thanks for clarifying! I also had this question

cm123
25th October 2012, 09:52 PM
Venkiram, this could be ur worst question. Who bothered abt lang of Velu when u watch the movie?

cm123
25th October 2012, 10:03 PM
And 99 % of Kamal fans don't know that he is not only actor apart from that he is a writer,director,singer,editor,makeup man ecc etc. Thats why Amir Khan kind of people became big in Indian cinema.

venkkiram
25th October 2012, 11:04 PM
Venkiram, this could be ur worst question. Who bothered abt lang of Velu when u watch the movie? நீங்க தப்பா புரிஞ்சிண்டேள்! நான் சொல்ல வந்தது இடைத்தரகர் வைத்து உரையாடலை மேற்கொள்ளும் காட்சிகளை.

MADDY
25th October 2012, 11:52 PM
Now one very disconcerting thing in the film is this boy grows up in the heart of Bombay but does not know Hindi. Was this done for the convenience of the audience?

Mani: There are two aspects to this. There’s a resistance. I was in Bombay for two years but the amount of Hindi I picked up is nothing. We’re not saying he doesn’t understand. We’re just saying he doesn’t care to speak. In my opinion the emotional content is more important than the logic.

wat a answer, Mani sir......his approach to movies is very unique - his grasp of movies being a flexible abstract medium is impeccable........

venkkiram
26th October 2012, 07:53 AM
NDTV INTERVIEW

http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/ndtv-special-ndtv-24x7/kamal-haasan-talks-about-vishwaroopam-and-hollywood-debut/252100?hp

Vijay dances well :clap: Surya dances well :rotfl:

venkkiram
26th October 2012, 08:08 AM
Question : Many Starts who are beyond the age of 50 would get away of romancing heroines who are half of their age.

Answer : No I still can do that. Even in life. Its not difficult. If you are emulating life, its possible. Its possible for people.

இதுதாண்டா துணிச்சல்.

Nasc
26th October 2012, 10:05 AM
Now its Mani's Turn to write about Naayagan!

Maniratnam on #NAYAKAN (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23NAYAKAN&src=hash) http://www.thehindu.com/arts/cinema/balance-that-has-spelt-success/article4030926.ece … (http://t.co/QXiJaFku) & #Nayakan25 (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Nayakan25&src=hash) http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/features/weekend-life/the-man-who-made-nayakan/article4028167.ece … (http://t.co/ZfJNvDG0) #kamalhaasan (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23kamalhaasan&src=hash)

:rotfl:.....beat this for a censorship
In this context, Ratnam tells us that “…Mouna Raagam had to be given an ‘A’ certificate because this girl is asking for a divorce... A lady on the (Censor) Board asked me how a housewife could ask for a divorce. After that, I stopped being surprised by anything the censor committee would throw at me.”

kumarsr
26th October 2012, 08:59 PM
There seems to be very little news on VR - only 10 days away from audio launch. Thinking of Dasa's audio launch. Pretty big affair, that.

Anban
26th October 2012, 09:17 PM
ennada, makkal polambaratha niruthi romba naal aachenu yosichen .. :P

Srimannarayanan
26th October 2012, 09:48 PM
ennada, makkal polambaratha niruthi romba naal aachenu yosichen .. :P

Anbu

Edhachum sollunga Audio release -a pathi?

Anban
26th October 2012, 09:55 PM
it is happening in theevuthidal in chennai.. Kamal is going to fly from Airport to venues by Helicopter.. enakku avvlavu thaan theriyum ..

Anban
26th October 2012, 10:51 PM
just 11 more days :yes:

Srimannarayanan
26th October 2012, 11:12 PM
just 11 more days :yes:

Thanks Anba

Anban
27th October 2012, 12:29 AM
sriman, audio release vareengala??

Nasc
27th October 2012, 04:48 AM
sriman, audio release vareengala??
above conv padikama directa intha comment pArthu ,for a sec..read it as

simran ,audio release varangala :yessir:

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
27th October 2012, 05:56 PM
Kalaipuli Danu understands Kamal's vision and express Interest to Re-release Aalavandhaan! :clap: Inimelaachum antha manushanai Malai Eli nnu kindal panrathu vittuttu Respect kuduppoom! (me too made that kindal :( )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o492rKDIAyo

Anban
27th October 2012, 07:07 PM
actually, the mistake of not accepting quotes of 10C + for the hindi version is partly Dhaanu's. When he is the producer he should have taken the call to sell the rights at such a good rate.. obviously, Kamal's advice became BS.. but that does not mean that Kamal stopped him from selling the rights by brute force.. Dhaanu-vum konjam greedy-aa irunthurukkaaru..

cm123
27th October 2012, 07:10 PM
Anban, Dhanu Vs Kamal in Hindi film world knowledge.. who is better? You guys should forgive Dhanu at least for the grand opening of Alavanthan.

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
27th October 2012, 07:15 PM
Aalavanthan Opening is a record one. As usual our partial media won't write the truth about it

Anban
27th October 2012, 07:47 PM
Anban, Dhanu Vs Kamal in Hindi film world knowledge.. who is better? You guys should forgive Dhanu at least for the grand opening of Alavanthan.
I mentioned "partly" Dhaanu's .. not completely..
Kamal the "consultant" failed badly here.. but still, as a Producer he could have been satisfied with what he got and sold it off at such a good rate.. bcos, it is his movie .. he has all the rights to sell at whatever rate he likes..

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
27th October 2012, 07:52 PM
Yes, He gave all the bags of money to produce the film. he shud have been stubborn to make sure that nobody interferes him in selling the Film. Kamal enna solvaarOnnu bammikitte vittuttaatu pOla, paavam :(

irir123
27th October 2012, 08:02 PM
skv - can you give the gist of what Dhanu says here ??

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
27th October 2012, 08:15 PM
He says that while shooting, the budget exceeded but he didn't want to interrupt kamalis vision. He says that though the film flopped then, but now, he is proud that even a hollywood director takes inspiration from this Film. This film is ahead of its time. So he wants to re release this film highlighting this fact(hollywood inspiration) and want to thus show his respect on kamal, the great Artist.

He further says that Chachi 420 was sold for 4C and Hey Raam for 5C and so kamal himself assured this film will go for 7_C in Hindi. But the hindi distributors asked for 12C abut kamal disagreed and insisted to sell ONLY for 15C & not less than that. Be cos of this, he waited and finally he faced a loss of almost 10C due to this delay. Had kamal agreed to 10 or 12C Hindi rights, Dhanu said he wud have been spared of these financial losses. Becos of this, Kamal too got worried and came ahead to reduce substantial amount of his salary and again repeats that he is interested to again do a Grand publicity and re-release this film

irir123
27th October 2012, 08:17 PM
yenna thaan solraaru kadasila ? kamal kaasa thiruppi koduthhaaraamaa ? idha yaen 10 varusham munnadi sollala ?

pushpak
27th October 2012, 08:30 PM
first let Vishwaroopam get released. Then we will think of aalavandhann...
Aalavandahan - it is not going to be commercially successful if re-released in 2012 or 2013.

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
27th October 2012, 08:34 PM
yenna thaan solraaru kadasila ? kamal kaasa thiruppi koduthhaaraamaa ? idha yaen 10 varusham munnadi sollala ?

Annan sila pala uLLadi velagaL ellaam seiyurathula busy aa irunthaapla :lol: But ethuvum click aagala athu vera vishayam! ippo yen solraarunnaa, eppavume oru padam nallaarukkunnu namma oor kaaran sonnaa accept pannikka maattOm. veLLakkaaran sonna athu correct! Yenna segappaa irukkuravan poi solla maattaan :lol:

Btw, when the film won NA for VFX itself Dhanu kku light aa thOni irukkum but ippo aaliwud laye solltaanga la, athaan!

But ippo ella kamal fans aiyum ivarukku respect kudukka solli kekkurathu, enna thaan irunthaalum thalaivarukku pala kOdkaL selavu senjavaru, nashtamum anubavichavaru!

Almost an abhay in 2000 is as big high budget film, as a Dasavatharam n 2008

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
27th October 2012, 08:35 PM
first let Vishwaroopam get released. Then we will think of aalavandhann...
Aalavandahan - it is not going to be commercially successful if re-released in 2012 or 2013.

Yennamo avar naalaikke release panna readya irukkuraapla kekkureenga?!?

Btw, patti tingkering paathu release senjaa oraLavukku konjam sans irukku!

pushpak
27th October 2012, 08:46 PM
Yennamo avar naalaikke release panna readya irukkuraapla kekkureenga?!?

Btw, patti tingkering paathu release senjaa oraLavukku konjam sans irukku!

I still get upset when I think of Aalavandhan... I think this was (an may remain as) the most anticipated movie (for me) in life time... Hmmmmm :(

pushpak
27th October 2012, 08:50 PM
sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar has exceeded their stored private messages quota and cannot accept further messages until they clear some space.

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
27th October 2012, 08:51 PM
Reason why Shanu made a bug budget that day was, not only the confidence on kamal, but also the record breaking success of Indian and Tenaali not only here but also Overseas :clap: Added to that, the pretty decent Hindi market which he himself explained. Also Hindustan was a record Hit Tamil Film to succeed in Bollywood, too!

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
27th October 2012, 08:54 PM
sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar has exceeded their stored private messages quota and cannot accept further messages until they clear some space.

sorry pushpak, now cleared my inbox! :)

kumarsr
27th October 2012, 10:15 PM
Hope VR is not caught up in the same logic....KH has mentioned several times that it is his biggest film

Srimannarayanan
28th October 2012, 12:02 AM
Kandippa varen. Sollynga

P_R
28th October 2012, 09:57 AM
ippadi sangadaththula mAttikittiyE mAppu http://www.thehindu.com/arts/magazine/living-in-past-glory/article4034360.ece :lol2:

pushpak
28th October 2012, 10:13 AM
ippadi sangadaththula mAttikittiyE mAppu http://www.thehindu.com/arts/magazine/living-in-past-glory/article4034360.ece :lol2:

Kamal was not blaming.. he was trying to talk about the difference in mindsets between different stakeholders in a movie.. atleast this is what I understood !!!

Mahen
28th October 2012, 10:16 AM
ippadi sangadaththula mAttikittiyE mAppu http://www.thehindu.com/arts/magazine/living-in-past-glory/article4034360.ece :lol2:
:lol2: nexxtu mani saar oru interview kudupar

Anban
28th October 2012, 10:18 AM
what an entertainment :lol: :rotfl:

ippo thaan Dhaaanu matter clear aagura maathiri irukkunaa, Muktha vanthurukkaar ippo ..

Anban
28th October 2012, 10:28 AM
but I agree with one thing..

without Ilayaraja, this movie could have flopped badly.. the music just gave a lot of nativity to the movie.. initial thoothukudi scenes ellaam konjam comedy..

selvakumar
28th October 2012, 10:51 AM
A strong reply from Mukta. Quite unexpected. Thought he would just stop after issuing that press statement.

P_R
28th October 2012, 11:45 AM
I :lol: at the point where Mukta said MR got a heart condition after he became a producer. :thumbsup:

வெளிப்படையா பேசாம, பூடகமா வாழப்பழத்துல ஊசி ஏத்துனா மாதிரி பேசியிருக்கலாம்.
I mean, it made enjoyable reading for us, but look at the hornet's nest it has stirred!

'இந்த வெட்டு ஒண்ணு துண்டு ரெண்டு' is the most overrated concept in the world and has caused more problems than is acknowledged.

selvakumar
28th October 2012, 11:55 AM
I was amazed at his reaction especially the details, technical background etc. Romba varutha patrupaar pola

joe
28th October 2012, 11:58 AM
Imo , மணி உடல் பாதிக்கப்பட்டது பற்றி சொன்னதை கமல் தவிர்த்திருக்க வேண்டும் .. மற்றபடி முக்தா ஒரு முசுடு என்பது பலரும் சொன்ன சங்கதி தான்.

venkkiram
28th October 2012, 12:12 PM
A strong reply from Mukta. Quite unexpected. Thought he would just stop after issuing that press statement.

Quite expected-nga. Kamal made strong view points against Mukta.

venkkiram
28th October 2012, 12:17 PM
As far as ittar is concerned, Kamal Haasan never asked me for it. Had I known, I would have bought it myself, since it is available even in Pondy bazaar.

:rotfl:

venkkiram
28th October 2012, 12:27 PM
முக்தா சீனிவாசன் பேசியதை வாசிக்கையில் எதோ சாருவே கைப்பட எழுதித்தந்தது போல இருக்கிறது. குறிப்பா அந்த அழுகைச் சத்தம் பற்றிய விமர்சனம். கமலைப் பற்றி நிறைய விமர்சனங்கள் வந்திருக்கிறது.. எல்லாமே விமர்சகர்கள் என்ற போர்வையில் சினிமாவிற்கு அப்பால். ஆனால் தாணுவிற்கு அடுத்தாற்போல சினிமாவில் இருக்கும் ஒரு மனிதர் கமலை கடுமையாக விமர்சிப்பது எனக்குத் தெரிந்து இதுவே. ஆளவந்தான் கூட மனிதர்கள் மறந்துவுடக் கூடும். ஆனால் காவியமான நாயகனைப் பற்றிய இது பெரிய சலனத்தை ஏற்படுத்தும் என நினைக்கிறேன்.

venkkiram
28th October 2012, 12:29 PM
without Ilayaraja, this movie could have flopped badly.. the music just gave a lot of nativity to the movie.. initial thoothukudi scenes ellaam konjam comedy.. Kamal forgot to mention Raja's name but Mukta brought him.

Anban
28th October 2012, 01:10 PM
Kamal forgot to mention Raja's name but Mukta brought him.
Venkkiram,

I dont understand why you refuse to listen.. Read Kamal's official press release, not what Brangan wrote "as told by Kamal"

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
28th October 2012, 04:22 PM
As far as ittar is concerned, Kamal Haasan never asked me for it. Had I known, I would have bought it myself, since it is available even in Pondy bazaar.

:rotfl:
Why shud kamal ask each and every thing to producer? He asked Sarika who is a costume designer. whats wrong??

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
28th October 2012, 04:25 PM
Kamal didn't help when sensors rejected the film but the producer was able to solve himself. Then what help exactly the producer expected kamal to do?!?

Nayakan movie was a commercial success and everyone incl Sivaji Ganesan appreciated it. It featured in times too. So, when Kamal haasan did lots of things extra, to make it a world class product, why didn't Mukta try lots of new methods to generate profits?! Keeping a winning product on hand and still not able to make money?!? And as per kamal, Mukta said he was not interested in awards.

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
28th October 2012, 04:31 PM
When kamal does lots and lots of extra things which he is not supposed to do, its called interference, even though his works enhanced the film.

Whatever problem the producer faces, like the censor issue, kamal shud come front and settle all the issue. Then whats the producer for??!? Avarum sila velaikal seyyaNum thaane?!?

And when the whole world is praising this film, this guy isn't happy and suggests that the alternative story which he has wud have much more rocked the world :lol:


Kamal Haasan gave the film rolls that he had purchased for his earlier movie. I paid him for these rolls. However, P.C. Sreeram did not use it, as it was old stock.

So he agrees that kamal gave film rolls. And if PC didn;t use them, then on what film roll was the famous crying scene shot?!? I guess if kamal reacts for this, much more truth will come out!

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
28th October 2012, 04:34 PM
MakkaLE, paathukkOnga, kamal padathula avar interfere pannuvaarnu komblaind pannuveengaLe, Mukta had made sure that his suggestions were taken to the movie content. He also suggested to edit the film which he didn't write.

Same goes to aalavanthaan too, Dhanu suggested some things to kamal and he incorporated too. Later, Dhanu trimmed th film length.

Just saying that only kamal's involvement is blamed and most of us not even know abour producer's involvement too, in the film content.

So nallaarunthaalum nallaa illainnaalum kamaloda ectra department involvement ai blame pannuravanga producer's oda mookku nuzhaippaiyum kandiyunga.

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
28th October 2012, 04:36 PM
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=478314932199523&set=a.188569037840782.41307.188163147881371&type=1

PUSHPAK -A CASE STUDY IN NON VERBAL COMMUNICATION!

Review By An Admirer! True Words..
#Anchal!

This movie was released way back in 1988 but I managed to watch it on 4th september 2008 in my college seminar room.Initially I was not interestd in watching a silent movie but when I started watching I got hooked to it.A silent movie yet so entertaining.Infact pushpak is one movie which acctually needs no dialogue or language.
Director Singreetham Srinivasan has done a terrific job and so are the performances of Kamala Hassan,Amala,Tinu Anand,Farida Jalal etc.
The plot goes like this.
Kamala is an unnamed,broke and unemployed youth.Everyday is a struggle for existence for him.Even a beggar is richer than him.One day Kamala by luck stumbles upon a drunkard millionare by roadside who resides in room number 3039 of the Hotel Pushpak.Kamala takes the drunkard prisoner in his house and assumes his identity to taste luxury.By chance Amala stays across his room balcony with her magician father(who had to perform in pushpak)and mother.Kamala had met Amala twice before this.Soon there love starts blossoming and Kamala uses his false identity(rich man) to impress her.One day Kamala and Amala goes out on date.Kamala made Amala buy expensive gifts but she refuses and asks for a bunch of flowers on top of a dilapidated old building.And as a doting lover he abides by her wish.But while doing it he realises that love cannot be measured in terms of money.Meanwhile a contract killer(Tinu Anand) hired by drunkard’s wife’s lover is sent after the drunkard who engaes in repeated failed attempts to kill Kamala with knives made of ice(he mistook Kamala for the drunkard because they were staying in the same room number 3039).
But after seeing the drunkard’s wife lamenting her missing husband and witnessing the people scavenging rich beggar’s money after his death followed by seeing the pictures of Pushpak owner’s success story and several other small but significant incidents Kamala’s view of life is deeply affected and changed.He eventually realises that he should not use this money which came through luck and not by hardwork and gives up his new found luxury.He relenquishes everything including his love.
In its ending,Kamala frees the drunkard and confesses everything to Amala.She tells him that she still likes him and throws a rose and her adress/phone number from her car.Before Kamala could catch it,wind catches it and takes it some distance away
The last shot shows Kamala standing at the employment line once again beggining his struggle for existence but this time with grit,confidence and determination.

Few scenes in the movie which were very touching and moving:
1)When beggar dies and how people react
2)When Amala asks for a bunch of flowers as a gift

Few scenes in the movie which were really funny:
1)All the toilet scenes
2)When beggar shows his richness(oxymoronic)
3)When Kamala is unable to sleep without the noise made by dog barks
4)When the shopkeeper treats Kamala genourously assuming him to be bigger than the last man who had just purchased a INR50,000 statue
5)When magician is shown performing his tricks with his wife
6)Whenever Kamala goes out to throw the packed gift box
and many more! :))

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
28th October 2012, 04:54 PM
Kamal Haasan wanted the film to be shot at Dharavi in Bombay, which was the largest and most congested slum in Asia. I did not want to shoot the entire movie in Bombay – but not because I was “tightfisted,” as Kamal claims. I was always interested in shooting in different locations. Though it was not very easy to shoot outside studios, those days, I had shot in Kashmir, Nepal, Shimla and the Andamans. But when I visited Dharavi, I found that it was not possible to shoot there, since it was thickly populated. Also, I was concerned about the security of the crew. Using photographs of the slum, art director Thota Tharani created the set at Venus studios, Chennai, which turned out three times more expensive than it would have been had we shot at Dharavi. We had to hire thousands of junior artists to create that atmosphere. The remaining portion was shot at Bombay.


Kamal and Mani wud have known that Dharavi Slum wud be too congested and still wanted to shoot there. But its Mukta who denied it and becos if his decision only the expense grew 3 fold.

Many many years later, the population and congestion wud have gone much more higher in Dharavi. Even the security conditions too wud have become more worse. But kamal was able to shoot Mumbai express in same Dharavi, many years later.

Now he says becos of kamal only, the budget increased.

venkkiram
28th October 2012, 05:51 PM
Venkkiram,

I dont understand why you refuse to listen.. Read Kamal's official press release, not what Brangan wrote "as told by Kamal"

Anban.. press release vidunga.. that he made it to console the producer and yet it did not spread to everyone like Hindu's interview. But when he was sharing the nostalgia from 25 years old memories on a epic movie, IR should have been mentioned I feel. What's wrong in my expectation?

Ramakrishna
28th October 2012, 08:27 PM
Anban.. press release vidunga.. that he made it to console the producer and yet it did not spread to everyone like Hindu's interview. But when he was sharing the nostalgia from 25 years old memories on a epic movie, IR should have been mentioned I feel. What's wrong in my expectation?

Kamal was talking about the making of the movie on the sets. He talked about what difficulties he faced while shooting and all. How can you expect him to bring IR's name whose involvement was in the background, not on the sets. Moreover, it was not some audio release function or 100 days function where they praise everybody involved in the movie. It was an interview and he is only going to talk about the topic at hand or about the questions asked to him.

Mukta mentioned IR to discredit the contributions of kamal and Mani. Atha poyi perusaa eduthikittu.

venkkiram
28th October 2012, 09:07 PM
Kamal was talking about the making of the movie on the sets. He talked about what difficulties he faced while shooting and all. How can you expect him to bring IR's name whose involvement was in the background, not on the sets. Moreover, it was not some audio release function or 100 days function where they praise everybody involved in the movie. It was an interview and he is only going to talk about the topic at hand or about the questions asked to him.

Mukta mentioned IR to discredit the contributions of kamal and Mani. Atha poyi perusaa eduthikittu.

Please read the interview one more time. BRangan did not ask him to talk only the incidents from set. Kamal was starting to share right from the creation point. "Atha poyi perusaa eduthikittu." - அப்படியல்ல. அந்தப் படத்திற்கு ராஜாவின் உழைப்பு அப்படி. இருபத்தைஞ்சு வருஷம் கழிச்சி அசை போடும்போது, அவரின் பெயரும் இடம் பெற்றிருக்க வேண்டும்.

pushpak
28th October 2012, 09:31 PM
Please read the interview one more time. BRangan did not ask him to talk only the incidents from set. Kamal was starting to share right from the creation point. "Atha poyi perusaa eduthikittu." - அப்படியல்ல. அந்தப் படத்திற்கு ராஜாவின் உழைப்பு அப்படி. இருபத்தைஞ்சு வருஷம் கழிச்சி அசை போடும்போது, அவரின் பெயரும் இடம் பெற்றிருக்க வேண்டும்.

IR will not have any issue with that interview because he knows how much Kamal respects/loves him.
Even one of the most die hard IR fans also has no issue :)

irir123
29th October 2012, 09:40 AM
me-thinks the sequence is like this:

1. Kamal says certain things abt NAYAKAN shooting/making to B Rangan.

2. B.Rangan either deliberately twists Kamal's words or simply misinterprets it - am not surprised, esp after him asking GVM "everyone knows abt IR's talent, but why did you go to him ?" which was not in good taste - poor journalistic standards - and publishes the interview.

3.Muktha Srinivasan reads it and gives his version - contradictory statements - esp the one regarding how he vetoed Kamal's suggestion to shoot in Dharavi and instead incurred unwanted extra expenses by erecting slum sets in Chennai - now, who is to blame ? avaru solradha paartha, vayasaanavanga senility kaaranamaa enna solromney theriyaama solra matter madhiri irukku!

indha vishayathula SKV sollradhu 100% nyayam thaen!

sari, ivvalavu solra MS, yaen, padathhoda kadhai pudikkalenna, 'I wont finance / produce this film' appadeennu solli escape aayirukkalaam illa ??

so appa Kamal + MR koottani thevappattadhu - padam tholvinnu solradhu sappa kattu - Udhayam theatrela mattum 175 plus days (3 shows) odinadhu yenakku theriyin - in fact, when our family got to watch it past 100 days, we cudnt get tickets for a weekend evening show!

andha areavula thaanungo nanga irundhom

and it was a major hit all over TN likewise - and no way it could NOT have made profits!

Anban
29th October 2012, 09:52 AM
he says he didnt make money out of the film.. but others obviously made.. so that shows that Muktha was just too generous to under sell the movie..

irir123
29th October 2012, 09:56 AM
orey kuzhappam - so why blame Kamal ? blame it on GV and co who forced him to sell the film to them/him ??

if he undersold the film, then it was his fault at not being able to predict its BO success, right ?

oru velai, sour grapes style angalaaippaa idhu ?

Cinemarasigan
29th October 2012, 10:33 AM
Imo , மணி உடல் பாதிக்கப்பட்டது பற்றி சொன்னதை கமல் தவிர்த்திருக்க வேண்டும் .. மற்றபடி முக்தா ஒரு முசுடு என்பது பலரும் சொன்ன சங்கதி தான்.

When I told about these articles to my uncle who knew about "Mukta", he also told that Mukta is a short tempered , "patthu roobA invest paNNanumnaa 8 roobA thaan koduppaaru andha aaLu", "Nayagan padattha sumaaraana laabatthukku vitthuttu summA nashtam aanavar maadhiri eludhuraar"...

MADDY
29th October 2012, 11:23 AM
having been following Mani's works, i do realise that its mani who is more of a godfather veriyan than kamal......so, muktha saying mani had written initially a story that was different from godfather and kamal made it a godfather is not entirely believable.......also, kamal not agreeing to sivaji ganesan in nayagan is also not believable since he made DevarMagan with same cast for same storyline......

i know this is exaggerated version to completely water down kamal's version but not without truths....ex: the salary part, "budget for those days", saranya character etc were already known through other sources......without documentary evidence, both sides stand can be called "versions of facts" - more like watching Rashomon :D ........mani, i hope, much like his friend AR had stayed away from controversies during his talk to BR......its a dead horse, dont beat it.....

Cinemarasigan
29th October 2012, 12:07 PM
having been following Mani's works, i do realise that its mani who is more of a godfather veriyan than kamal......so, muktha saying mani had written initially a story that was different from godfather and kamal made it a godfather is not entirely believable.......also, kamal not agreeing to sivaji ganesan in nayagan is also not believable since he made DevarMagan with same cast for same storyline......

i know this is exaggerated version to completely water down kamal's version but not without truths....ex: the salary part, "budget for those days", saranya character etc were already known through other sources......

+1


mani, i hope, much like his friend AR had stayed away from controversies during his talk to BR......its a dead horse, dont beat it.....

No, Mani should come out with his version of this story so that many things will be solved..

MADDY
29th October 2012, 01:41 PM
No, Mani should come out with his version of this story so that many things will be solved..

nobody would believe it.....mani mapillai, kamal chinna maamanaar - yaar saar nambuvaanga......infact, mani will be unneccessarily be called a liar to save his relatives......

Cinemarasigan
29th October 2012, 02:01 PM
nobody would believe it.....mani mapillai, kamal chinna maamanaar - yaar saar nambuvaanga......infact, mani will be unneccessarily be called a liar to save his relatives......

:notthatway: Mani has a reputation, most of the people will believe that Mani is very honest!!

rsubras
29th October 2012, 02:10 PM
Anban.. press release vidunga.. that he made it to console the producer and yet it did not spread to everyone like Hindu's interview. But when he was sharing the nostalgia from 25 years old memories on a epic movie, IR should have been mentioned I feel. What's wrong in my expectation?

enga, the article was about experiences of making Nayagan the movie, IR gave soul and life to the final product, the movie from an audience point of view........ but otherwise mostly athu Mani and Kamal sethukkinathu thane.....may be IR ithula anthalavu movie making time la full ah involve aagama irunthirukkalam...avaroda involvement post production la irunthu kooda arambichirukkalam..... mathavanga venumna audience kai thattuvanga appreciate pannuvanga medai la Rajini per solrathu, MGR per solrathu nu pannalam.... but some one like Kamal only expresses whatever he feels out of his heart without leaving / ignorning any one's talents... Nayagan movie watching experience pathi oru article / program vanthiruntha athula Kamal IR la irunthu than aarambichirupparu...........

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
29th October 2012, 02:28 PM
All of us know the respect Kamal has on Raja. In fact other actors except Vijayakanth, are still pending wrt the respect and thanks they need to pay back to Raja. Kamal intha oru incident la Raja per sollalainnu ivLO issue aakka entha base ume illai.

He is the one who fought with Raja and forced him to get the chance of singing the Thenpaandi chemayile. Originally planned only that Raja sings it completely. Still Raja didn't want to get away totally, thats why he sings for the 1st 1 minit of the song.

hattori_hanzo
29th October 2012, 04:39 PM
Mani about the money made by Nayagan:

http://www.thehindu.com/arts/cinema/balance-that-has-spelt-success/article4030926.ece

Balance that has spelt success

How big a hit is ‘Nayakan’?

Big enough to make me happy. The producers will make money.

sharav
29th October 2012, 05:51 PM
முக்தா சீனிவாசன் பேசியதை வாசிக்கையில் எதோ சாருவே கைப்பட எழுதித்தந்தது போல இருக்கிறது. குறிப்பா அந்த அழுகைச் சத்தம் பற்றிய விமர்சனம். கமலைப் பற்றி நிறைய விமர்சனங்கள் வந்திருக்கிறது.. எல்லாமே விமர்சகர்கள் என்ற போர்வையில் சினிமாவிற்கு அப்பால். ஆனால் தாணுவிற்கு அடுத்தாற்போல சினிமாவில் இருக்கும் ஒரு மனிதர் கமலை கடுமையாக விமர்சிப்பது எனக்குத் தெரிந்து இதுவே. ஆளவந்தான் கூட மனிதர்கள் மறந்துவுடக் கூடும். ஆனால் காவியமான நாயகனைப் பற்றிய இது பெரிய சலனத்தை ஏற்படுத்தும் என நினைக்கிறேன்.

It has been referred in his blog as well ... Something fishy... http://charuonline.com/blog/?p=3528

pushpak
29th October 2012, 07:00 PM
All of us know the respect Kamal has on Raja. In fact other actors except Vijayakanth, are still pending wrt the respect and thanks they need to pay back to Raja. Kamal intha oru incident la Raja per sollalainnu ivLO issue aakka entha base ume illai.

He is the one who fought with Raja and forced him to get the chance of singing the Thenpaandi chemayile. Originally planned only that Raja sings it completely. Still Raja didn't want to get away totally, thats why he sings for the 1st 1 minit of the song.

Why not Vijaykanth? Raja has contributed greatly to many of his movies !!

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
29th October 2012, 07:08 PM
Me not saying about Raja's contribution. Avar Rajkiran ai kooda thookki vittavar. I am talking about the actors paying back, thanking Raja for the great tunes he offered them.

Vijayakanth silently pays his respect, thanks, to Raja via his Captain TV. :clap:

Saai
29th October 2012, 08:45 PM
Thala deserved this. When he himself has written much better movies, whats the necessity to write this piece on 25th anniversary. Then he should celebrate such anniversaries every year - for thevar magan, mahanadhi, mmkr, guna, salangai oli kinds.

Srimannarayanan
29th October 2012, 10:34 PM
Thala deserved this. When he himself has written much better movies, whats the necessity to write this piece on 25th anniversary. Then he should celebrate such anniversaries every year - for thevar magan, mahanadhi, mmkr, guna, salangai oli kinds.


+1

Unnecessary article by Kamal.

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
29th October 2012, 11:33 PM
Ithellaam avarukku therinjaa nadakkuthu! When he starts to write, talk, some times, matters go uncontrollable, like this. Vidunga, perusaa ethuvum nadakkala

Anban
29th October 2012, 11:58 PM
Thala deserved this. When he himself has written much better movies, whats the necessity to write this piece on 25th anniversary. Then he should celebrate such anniversaries every year - for thevar magan, mahanadhi, mmkr, guna, salangai oli kinds.exactly. Nayagan wont be in kamal's top five

venkkiram
30th October 2012, 12:20 AM
exactly. Nayagan wont be in kamal's top five But Time Magazine included Nayagan in its list of "All-Time 100 Best Films". :)

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
30th October 2012, 12:22 AM
exactly. Nayagan wont be in kamal's top five

It surely will be. Even without time Magazine's listing, its a landmark film not just in TFI but for whole Indian FI. Thatswhy kamal writes about a film as it completes 25 years. Its not even his own direction.

Saai
30th October 2012, 12:25 AM
But Time Magazine included Nayagan in its list of "All-Time 100 Best Films". :)

Just because rahman won oscar for ' Jai ho', will it become HIS best number for that year?

Saai
30th October 2012, 12:27 AM
It surely will be. Even without time Magazine's listing, its a landmark film not just in TFI but for whole Indian FI. Thatswhy kamal writes about a film as it completes 25 years. Its not even his own direction.

Why he wrote about 'one' of his good movies is the question?

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
30th October 2012, 12:40 AM
So you want him to write all the 250 films?!? Whats wrong in writing about one film? Does that mean his other films are not good?!?

Saai
30th October 2012, 12:49 AM
So you want him to write all the 250 films?!? Whats wrong in writing about one film? Does that mean his other films are not good?!?

16 V and Sagara Sangamam are as significant/Good as Nayagan. Is he going to write these anniversary articles for Thevar magan Guna, and Mahanadhi ?

I understand if he writes for a Thevar magan - thats much more relevant considering that he wrote,produced and starred in the movie.

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
30th October 2012, 01:00 AM
Athu thaan kekkuren, is there any rule that he shud write about this much no of films? Above all, he is not a retired to keep on writing too much.

hattori_hanzo
30th October 2012, 01:03 AM
exactly. Nayagan wont be in kamal's top five

Its not easy to list Kamal's top five :-) HCKH fans will definitely prefer his home productions and ghost-directed movies. But for a common kuppan or suppan, Nayagan will probably be among the 3 best Kamal movies.

Saai
30th October 2012, 01:06 AM
Athu thaan kekkuren, is there any rule that he shud write about this much no of films? Above all, he is not a retired to keep on writing too much.

As a fan soldren sakala.When you have better movies in your oeuvre, why highlight this!

hattori_hanzo
30th October 2012, 01:08 AM
Why he wrote about 'one' of his good movies is the question?

Thanks to NI media(and the epic Dayavan), Nayagan has a wider reach than 16V or Sagara Sangamam.

Anban
30th October 2012, 08:42 AM
But Time Magazine included Nayagan in its list of "All-Time 100 Best Films". :)

Ignorance is bliss

Cinemarasigan
30th October 2012, 12:57 PM
Thanks to NI media(and the epic Dayavan), Nayagan has a wider reach than 16V or Sagara Sangamam.

+1, Nayagan has a wider reach than any of his movies.

It may not be in the best 5 of many HC Kamal fans. It is a landmark film for Kamal, he himself mentioned many a times. In fact, his best phase in Cinema started from Nayagan..

rsubras
30th October 2012, 01:46 PM
Why he wrote about 'one' of his good movies is the question?


Thatz coz the success of Nayagan elevated him to the next level..........encouraged him to step it up, do more experiments...... to free from the clutches of the "Kaadhal ilavarasan" tag and from all those garam masala movies post Sakalakala vallavan........ he would have anyway come to that level on his own.........but it would have taken few more years..... Nayagan hastened that process....i believe....

sharav
30th October 2012, 04:05 PM
Ivar yenna solla varrar....? http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/letters/story-behind-nayakan/article4044738.ece

I read the article by Kamal Haasan “Of course Velu Nayakan doesn’t dance” (Magazine, Oct. 21) and the rejoinder “Living in past glory” (Oct. 28) by filmmaker Muktha V. Srinivasan on the making of Nayakan. I too am connected with the film industry although I am nowhere near Mr. Srinivasan in terms of experience and output. As one who was in a position to advise both Kamal Haasan, my brother, and Mani Ratnam, my son-in-law, I did advise them on film-making on many occasions. Had they listened only to me, they would not have attained this level of success. Film-making changes with times and it is our duty, as senior citizens, to accept that. The next generation always does better.
S. Charuhasan,

P_R
30th October 2012, 04:22 PM
Had they listened only to me, they would not have attained this level of success. Film-making changes with times and it is our duty, as senior citizens, to accept that. The next generation always does better.

:lol: kuRumbu kuRumbu

P_R
30th October 2012, 07:52 PM
Hassar to intree Ang Lee :-|
ennayyA indha aaLu.

I remember in 2000 I was so disappointed and annoyed and irrirated with Crouching Tiger making the Oscar cut that I wrote something about how Hey Ram deserved it more.

RAGHAVENDRA
30th October 2012, 08:55 PM
Friends,
There is a lot of discussion on Nayakan nostalgia by Kamal. I was just a spectator and just wanted to share my views on this.

The year 1987 was a landmark year for film buffs, and the film society movements in South India, esp. Madras. Though there were Societies functioning, it was the CHENNAI FILM SOCIETY, that took the initiative to enlighten the film connoisseurs (pardon me if there is spelling mistake) and organised a TEN DAY Workshop. It was a first of its kind in that it was on a big scale. Many stalwarts of today's cinema were delegates. The ten days workshop had part of it, discussions in the morning on previous days screenings, followed by lectures, demos, and evening again screenings. Many international classics which were deemed grammar of cinema were screened. And the delegates were fortunate to have the screening of NAYAKAN, on one of the days. The remarkable workshop was conducted with the co-operation of National Film Archives of India, National Film Development Corporation. Mr Chandran Nair, then Director of NFDC, Mr P K Nair, then Director of Pune Archives, were kind enough to give lecture demos on the evolution and theory of cinema. Mr Hariharan went in depth on the classic BATTLESHIP POTEMKIN.

In fact I would like to write more elaborate but some may feel out of context. But the reason to write this, is at the end of Workshop, it was Nayakan that stole everybody's heart. Ever since then it turned to be a role model and pioneer for discussion on cinema in various film clubs in South India. No wonder it is being mentioned by Kamal now because the year 1987 did deserve a nostalgic appreciation for its contribution to Chennai film buffs. Because Kamal was also part of the Workshop.

This may be one of the reason why Nayakan took centrestage for its landmark in completing 25 years. It may also be deemed as a landmark film for film society connoisseurs of Madras.

Saai
30th October 2012, 09:24 PM
+1, Nayagan has a wider reach than any of his movies.

It may not be in the best 5 of many HC Kamal fans. It is a landmark film for Kamal, he himself mentioned many a times. In fact, his best phase in Cinema started from Nayagan..


I have come across many NI folks. They remember Kamal by Saagar, Ek tuje keliye and Sadma. They are not aware of Nayagan first of all. We are extending its popularity just by its huge impact in TN. He was an all Indian icon even before Nayagan.

Anyday, Sadma/Saagar/Ek Tuje keliye has a wider reach in India than Nayagan IMHO.

hattori_hanzo
30th October 2012, 10:05 PM
I have come across many NI folks. They remember Kamal by Saagar, Ek tuje keliye and Sadma. They are not aware of Nayagan first of all. We are extending its popularity just by its huge impact in TN. He was an all Indian icon even before Nayagan.

Anyday, Sadma/Saagar/Ek Tuje keliye has a wider reach in India than Nayagan IMHO.

True, the movies which you listed, along with Pushpak and Chachi 420 are better known in NI and other parts of India, than Nayagan as they are all straight Bollywood ventures (except Pushpak). Nayagan initially was known as the 'better Dayavan' but later its popularity increased manifold when Mani became famous in Bollywood. It was dubbed in Hindi as 'Velu Nayakan' in the late 90s.

In terms of popularity outside TN, Nayagan > Thevar Magan, Mahanadhi or Guna.

Parthyy
30th October 2012, 10:26 PM
Indian aka Hindustani aka Bharateeyudu very much popular huge hit everywhere Hindi,Tamil and Telugu

radiochandra
30th October 2012, 11:04 PM
Namma aalu viswaroopam release pannura varikkum post panna venaamnu irunthen. Anyway, ......


Enjoyed KH article on Nayakan. No doubt, it was a landmark film. I do agree with Anban et al that Nayakan may not rank too high in KH great films list, but one has to always remember that the bio epic of the underdog turned underworld don anytime has a more impactive "landmark film" feel and reach than the story of a quadraplet brothers comedy of errors or an alcoholic cirrhotic classical dancer or a silent dark comedy or a series of unfortunate events in the life of a middle aged widower or a rustic gened NRI getting entangled in a casteic family feud.

So, no problem sir. write more such articles on more of your films. He wanted to be frank in his approach .... yes ..... but attributing Maniratnam"s myocardial infarction @ heart attack to stingy old time producers @ Muktha was a bit in the red zone.

MADDY
31st October 2012, 11:48 AM
Thatz coz the success of Nayagan elevated him to the next level..........encouraged him to step it up, do more experiments...... to free from the clutches of the "Kaadhal ilavarasan" tag and from all those garam masala movies post Sakalakala vallavan........ he would have anyway come to that level on his own.........but it would have taken few more years..... Nayagan hastened that process....i believe....

bang on!


It surely will be. Even without time Magazine's listing, its a landmark film not just in TFI but for whole Indian FI. Thatswhy kamal writes about a film as it completes 25 years. Its not even his own direction.

idhuvum bang on! ...http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2011-10-11/news-interviews/30263616_1_love-story-film-mani-ratnam - it has inspired directors all over the country

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
31st October 2012, 05:15 PM
Team Maiam Update:

KH meets with Ang Lee today - the renowned Hollywood director of famous movies such as Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, Brokeback Mountain and Sense and Sensibility.

Yesterday KH watched an exclusive premier show of Ang Lee’s new film, Life of Pi. The film is adapted from the book written by Yann Martel and was partly shot near Pondicherry.

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
31st October 2012, 06:20 PM
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Arvind Srinivasan
1st November 2012, 12:20 AM
Kamal with Ang lee.


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Arvind Srinivasan
1st November 2012, 12:21 AM
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sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
1st November 2012, 01:17 AM
Guys see the Fox Studio Logo in the background! :) Anban, ithai pathi neega enna solla verumbureenga :)

Anban
1st November 2012, 01:26 AM
Already antha arm production launch appove sonnen .. i am having big doubt from then.

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
1st November 2012, 01:53 AM
Already antha arm production launch appove sonnen .. i am having big doubt from then.

Ethu?? Vera entha padathulayum commit aana maathiri news varalayee?!? Naan thaan miss pannittena?!?

irir123
1st November 2012, 05:25 AM
andha FOX logo ang lee direct panni release aagappora padathhukkungo !

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
1st November 2012, 05:29 AM
Poo nnum sollalaam, puippam nnum sollalaam! appadinnu naalaikku anban vanthu cryptic aa post pannuvaaru (appadinnu nambuvom! :lol: )

Anban
1st November 2012, 09:06 AM
That Nayanathara movie launch. ARM was the producer.

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
1st November 2012, 09:52 AM
Oh that aa! That Nayan poster :lol: marakka mudiyaathathu!

sharav
1st November 2012, 04:03 PM
Oh that aa! That Nayan poster :lol: marakka mudiyaathathu!
Thanga changili.... Minnum Paingili..... Adhuva Sakala? :confused2:

Roshan
1st November 2012, 04:16 PM
Namma aalu viswaroopam release pannura varikkum post panna venaamnu irunthen. Anyway, ......


Enjoyed KH article on Nayakan. No doubt, it was a landmark film. I do agree with Anban et al that Nayakan may not rank too high in KH great films list, but one has to always remember that the bio epic of the underdog turned underworld don anytime has a more impactive "landmark film" feel and reach than the story of a quadraplet brothers comedy of errors or an alcoholic cirrhotic classical dancer or a silent dark comedy or a series of unfortunate events in the life of a middle aged widower or a rustic gened NRI getting entangled in a casteic family feud

:lol: :thumbsup:

Cinefan
1st November 2012, 04:36 PM
Will be crossing Thalaivar's ooru in 10min.Can't stop for tea also,usual Thevar Vs Dalit conflict a couple of days back.

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
1st November 2012, 07:18 PM
Thanga changili.... Minnum Paingili..... Adhuva Sakala? :confused2:

Adhe dhaan! Ennaa villathanam! Antha sangili kaila kazhuthua maatti irunthaa orupaya mathichirukka maattaan! :lol2:

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
1st November 2012, 07:19 PM
Will be crossing Thalaivar's ooru in 10min.Can't stop for tea also,usual Thevar Vs Dalit conflict a couple of days back.

So sad :(

Saai
1st November 2012, 08:12 PM
Namma aalu viswaroopam release pannura varikkum post panna venaamnu irunthen. Anyway, ......


Enjoyed KH article on Nayakan. No doubt, it was a landmark film. I do agree with Anban et al that Nayakan may not rank too high in KH great films list, but one has to always remember that the bio epic of the underdog turned underworld don anytime has a more impactive "landmark film" feel and reach than the story of a quadraplet brothers comedy of errors or an alcoholic cirrhotic classical dancer or a silent dark comedy or a series of unfortunate events in the life of a middle aged widower or a rustic gened NRI getting entangled in a casteic family feud.

So, no problem sir. write more such articles on more of your films. He wanted to be frank in his approach .... yes ..... but attributing Maniratnam"s myocardial infarction @ heart attack to stingy old time producers @ Muktha was a bit in the red zone.

Just thought of sharing..... Three years back, a channel conducted a poll on the most fav tamil movie of all time and Thevar magan raced ahead of nayagan as people's choice :-) Thevar magan also has an epic feel atleast IMHO.

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
1st November 2012, 08:21 PM
Now this is doing Rounds! Namma Docter Radiochandra pola thaan ivarum :)

http://kbalakumar.com/?p=1941



‘Of course Sakalakala Vallavan doesn’t sell sorakkai’ Nov 1st, 2012 by K Balakumar (http://kbalakumar.com/?p=1941).

By Kamal Haasan Clone


(Exactly 30 years ago, the groundbreaking Sakalakala Vallavan was released. It has since been voted as one of the top 100 films that nobody knows how and why they became box office hits. For the record, Chinna Thambi tops the list)


Whether it’s Alexander The Great or Iruttu Kadai Halwa, it starts off with just the name, without the glory it attains. Sakalakala Vallavan was no different. We never thought whether it would make it to the Newsweek’s 100 Greatest Films ever or not because Newsweek doesn’t publish such a list. We just wanted to make money.

Perhaps due to the fact that I had dropped out of school, I’ve had many movies that the educated public would find absolutely cringe-worthy. And most of my movies of that type have been directed by SP Muthuraman sir, who eventually became SPM sir. I knew SPM sir was the brother of Subha Veerapandian, a diehard Periyarite and a DK activist. But he never threw this fact in my face most probably because of the kind of films he was making.

This was the time I was acting in Moondram Pirai, which came out in the same year (1982). SPM sir did not concern himself with such films where the hero, rather than walk up to the heroine and tell her that it was him who had taken care of her when she was down with amnesia, makes monkey faces at her hoping that she would recognise him. SPM sir said he would never be caught making such a movie. At that time, SPM sir was seeing the re-runs of many MGR films. We kept discussing those films. We were all fans of MGR and Periya Idathu Penn. We wanted to make a film like that. And we ended up making a film exactly like that.

Later, too, when I made Thevar Magan in 1992, I realised I should have asked SPM sir to direct it. It was his cup of tea. In the sense, he would have lent his name happily while letting me to do the actual direction.

AVM Saravanan of the AVM Studios, with whom I had my debut, wanted to make another film with me. They suggested SPM sir’s name. I was amused. Because at that time, people usually told me about the heroine and not the director’s name.

SPM sir did not tell me any story. He never had any. We just had to assume it. I thought this was the way to go as you can improvise on the day while shooting. AVM Saravanan, who had a reputation for having his arms folded, did not believe in spending on stories. He just wanted us to make a film — any film — that would not bring a bad name to his famous production house, which had enjoyed the consistent patronage of the respectable family audience, the kind among whom Nethu Rathri Yemma and Nila Kayudhe would be a huge draw.

The way SPM sir was filming the movie, providing me lines in English that I could practice my now famous and ludicrous accent on, and that lurid disco dance, I knew this was the kind of village subject that we all dreamt of making. During the shooting of early scenes, I told SPM sir that I would not do the village market scene. And SPM sir agreed. Earlier in my career I had done many village movies, like 16 Vayadhinle,where they rung in the rural ambience by having a rambunctious village market scene. When I expressed my reservations on the market scene to SPM sir, he simply said, ‘Of course Sakalakala Vallavan doesn’t sell sorakkai’.

At some point of the film’s shooting, I decided that to get into the character, I needed a bike for the dance sequence for the song Ilamai Idho Idho. But when the time came, SPM sir was standing there glumly, and the cameraman Babu was sitting with his head in his hands. I thought there was a technical glitch. I said, ‘what is the problem? I’m ready. So are the colourful lights behind that are going on and off signifying that this is a fun night club even though nights clubs that I know of never look like this, and at any rate, Chennai has heard of no night club in the 80s that the film is set in.’ SPM sir forlornly showed me a small note from the producer saying that there will be no petrol for the bike. This was the producer’s way of making sure we shot responsibly, without going overboard with takes. I was livid. I called my office and asked them to bring a big can of petrol in 20 minutes, and in those 20 minutes I was ready to dance on the bike.

Sakalakala Vallavan was one of the films —- along with the likes of Maria My Darling, Andha Oru Nimidam, Per Sollum Pillai —- that made me decide that I should be doing more masala movies. Apart from being easy, they also provided good money. I was nearing middle-age. I thought, “If I don’t do earn now when will I make money?” After wrapping the film, I was so happy that I took Sarika and went for a walk around the empty set where they had shot Nethu Rathri Yemma.

I am always asked when SPM sir and I will work together again. I don’t know if we can summon up that same feeling of doing a film for the pleasure of making money. Now there’s too much pressure. And I don’t blame SPM sir. He’s been so tormented that he wouldn’t want to add to it by doing a film with me again.

(Disclaimer: Waiting for a rejoinder from AVM Saravanan, which we hope is not a legal notice)


(Disclaimer 2: This is a remake of this piece (http://www.thehindu.com/arts/cinema/of-course-velu-nayakan-doesnt-dance/article4008896.ece))

VinodKumar's
1st November 2012, 09:45 PM
Just thought of sharing..... Three years back, a channel conducted a poll on the most fav tamil movie of all time and Thevar magan raced ahead of nayagan as people's choice :-) Thevar magan also has an epic feel atleast IMHO.

For me Devar Magan is miles ahead of Nayagan :).

Nasc
1st November 2012, 10:34 PM
For me Devar Magan is miles ahead of Nayagan :).

nAnum intha kOttrai AmOthikkindrEn

Anban
2nd November 2012, 08:28 AM
For me Devar Magan is miles ahead of Nayagan :).

Same for the majority of Tamil cinema fans and kamal fans too.

joe
2nd November 2012, 10:40 AM
For me also Thevar Magan >> Nayakan

Cinemarasigan
2nd November 2012, 11:52 AM
Now this is doing Rounds! Namma Docter Radiochandra pola thaan ivarum :)

SPM sir did not tell me any story. He never had any. We just had to assume it. I thought this was the way to go as you can improvise on the day while shooting. AVM Saravanan, who had a reputation for having his arms folded, did not believe in spending on stories. He just wanted us to make a film — any film — that would not bring a bad name to his famous production house, which had enjoyed the consistent patronage of the respectable family audience, the kind among whom Nethu Rathri Yemma and Nila Kayudhe would be a huge draw.


:rotfl3:

hattori_hanzo
2nd November 2012, 01:51 PM
Same for the majority of Tamil cinema fans and kamal fans too.

TM is a better movie than Nayagan. Most people like TM than Nayagan. Ellam sari dhaan. In terms of popularity, Nayagan does have an edge over TM. One reason is it appears among the best of, not only Kamal, but also Maniratnam, who's a brand in the north. An article about Mani is incomplete without the mention of Nayagan (Or Velu Nayakan). They tried to remake it and failed miserably. Whereas Virasat, remake of TM (though poor in comparison), was a success.

groucho070
2nd November 2012, 02:04 PM
Virasat success-A? :shockbeyondbeliefattemptstocutwrist: Antha mukkiyamAna clip, Virasat version pArthEn, mudiyala....yabbaa....

P_R
2nd November 2012, 02:15 PM
Kiravuso, also please see Tandege Takka Maga

groucho070
2nd November 2012, 02:27 PM
P_R, don't do that to me....(I saw a song clip in youtube)

http://www.jeremyrscott.com/blogenstein/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/darthnoooooo.jpg

Anban
2nd November 2012, 05:04 PM
Kiravuso, also please see Tandege Takka Maga

:rotfl:

hattori_hanzo
2nd November 2012, 05:13 PM
Virasat success-A? :shockbeyondbeliefattemptstocutwrist: Antha mukkiyamAna clip, Virasat version pArthEn, mudiyala....yabbaa....

:lol: Enna ipdi kettuteenga? Idhu Hit aanadhunaala thaan Priyadarshan Hindi'la remake remake'a eduthu thallinaar.

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
2nd November 2012, 05:15 PM
‘I FELT LIKE PI DRIFTING ACROSS THE PACIFIC’
Lata Srinivasan and Srinivasa Ramanujam


One is an Oscarwinning director and the other, an actor who lives and breathes films. When director Ang Lee and Padmashree Kamal Haasan caught up on a stormy evening in Chennai, the discussion was about Life of Pi, films and more films. Chennai Times gets you excerpts from the conversation between the two stalwarts...

KAMAL: From Pingtung to here — that itself is a journey many of us may or may not know in a sense that your journey is also like that of Pi’s. You have said that ‘I don’t find films, films find me’.
ANG: I was cooking at home and taking care of the baby for six years after film school. My wife is a microbiologist and she used to work. In 1990, I took part in a script-writing contest in Taiwan and I won and went to receive the award. The Taiwanese government gave me $480,000 to make the script into a film (Pushing Hands). It wasn’t artistic or commercial; it was a family drama. It was a hit in Taiwan. They asked me to make the second script also which was Wedding Banquet. It was a risky film, again a family drama. Then people started pitching films. After Sense and Sensibility, I started making money. I could then face my father saying I have a job.
I want to explore and make different genres of films. Life is an adventure, why do the same thing? People want to take that leap of faith with you in a film. With Life of Pi
particularly, I felt like Pi drifting across the Pacific with the tiger; I want to bring them out of this hell alive and healthy. Sometimes the movie directs you.
KAMAL: Sometimes business directs you! Is it because you brought your own funds? How do you gain control over your life?
ANG: Someone told me you have to make a successful movie in the first three films or you’re out. That remained in my mind. After two movies, I had a hit. I have to do my best and the only way is I do something I don’t quite know. The fear factor keeps me alive. I’m a common man; I speak the language most people speak.
KAMAL: I believe all cinema is art.
ANG: May be being Chinese, I am used to being repressed! This is a philosophical book and I had to dig deep.
KAMAL: Anyone looking at the synopsis of the book (Life of Pi) would not think this is the same film. You had a different writer for this movie.
ANG: Yes, James Schamus is my career partner and we co-write all films. He’s a good writer and salesman. I’m a filmmaker; a racing horse and I just want to run. This is the first time I have worked with a new writer, David Magee.
KAMAL: Even this film found you.
ANG: When Fox approached me, I said let me think about it and then I told them to look for another director as I working on a film. But they were still waiting after a month. Then I started to think — how do I crack this; this is impossible. I got hooked!

KAMAL SHOWS ANG LEE VISWAROOPAM

The Ulaganayagan was eager that the Hollywood director see his Viswaroopam which the actor has directed. After the discussion, Kamal whisked Ang Lee away to his office to show him parts of the film and the trailer. Ang Lee, despite his jet lag and the fact he had to catch a flight later that night, made time for Kamal and was happy to oblige.

KAMAL: What is interesting is how you came to translate it into a movie...
ANG: It was step-by-step to find a solution. I don’t have a method. First thing is that I have to find a structure. This movie is all about illusions. It took four years to make the movie but I already did the animation before I started shooting. When I suggested 3D, the studio didn’t want to do it because this is a literature property, not an action film. I had to convince them — 3D is a big risk but 2D was a bad idea.
KAMAL:How many Pis did you meet?
ANG: 3000! Suraj stood out right away. He’s a true talent. To me the best talent is not one who can perform but one who believes. When he did the audition, towards the end he was in tears. I got a Pi.
KAMAL: I like the shot with the ship in the background and he’s floating. It’s lovely. It’s not in the face but effective.
ANG: 3D — because of the volume and depth –— allows you to show over your shoulder and the person’s point of view at the same time. You don’t get it in 2D. It’s a new tool.
KAMAL: What’s your advice to young filmmakers?
ANG: I didn’t have a plan or goal when I was young. Filmmaking was easy; everything else was hard. Focus on wherever your passion and strength is and specifically where you are. When you make movies, soak up the culture. You have to find universality whether it’s Taiwan or Tamil. Somehow you find a way to make a movie.
KAMAL: 100 chapters of Life of Pi. It must have been difficult crushing it to 2 hours and 10 minutes.
ANG: I eliminate a lot and consolidate a lot. But I also added parts that are not in the book like Shravanti’s character.


Kamal Haasan and Ang Lee


http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Repository/getimage.dll?path=TOICH/2012/11/02/29/Img/Pc0290700.jpg

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
2nd November 2012, 05:23 PM
முக்தா சீனிவாசனுக்கு...பதிலடி.
http://worldcinemafan.blogspot.in/2012/11/blog-post.html

கமலின் மொத்தக்கட்டுரையுமே படத்தின் இயக்குனர் மணிரத்னத்தின் புகழ் பாடுகிறது.
திரு.முக்தா சீனிவாசனின் மொத்தக்கட்டுரையும் கமலை குறை சொல்லி எழுதப்பட்டிருக்கிறது.


கமலின் கட்டுரையில் தயாரிபாளரை பாராட்ட வேண்டிய இடத்தில் பாராட்டி இருக்கிறார்.
லேசாக ‘உப்புத்தாள்’ போட்டு... உரசியும் இருக்கிறார்.
ஆனால் பதிலுக்கு திரு.முக்தா சீனிவாசனின் மொத்தக்கட்டுரையுமே...
ஆசிட் அபிஷேகம்.

திரு.முக்தா சீனிவாசனின் கட்டுரை...அபத்தங்களின் தொகுப்பு.
அபத்தங்களை ஆராய்ந்ததில்...முக்கிய மூன்று காரணிகள் புலப்பட்டது.

1 கமலின் கட்டுரையை சரியாக உள் வாங்கவில்லை.
2 காட்பாதர் படத்தையும் புரிந்து பார்க்கவில்லை.
3 அவர், தான் தயாரித்த நாயகன் படத்தையே புரிந்து கொள்ளவில்லை.

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கமல் கட்டுரையின் தலைப்பே... மணிரத்னம் சொன்ன வாசகம்.
‘Of course Velu Nayakan doesn’t dance’

திரு .முக்தா சீனிவாசன் கட்டுரையின் தலைப்பே அபத்தத்தின் உச்சம்.
Living in past glory
இன்று ‘விஸ்வரூபம்’ எடுத்து ஹாலிவுட்டை தன்னை நோக்கி திருப்பிய ‘சகலாகலா வல்லவனுக்கு’ இப்படி தலைப்பிட்டது...
அவரது அறியாமை வெளிச்சம்.


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ஜிம் ஆலன் என்கிற பிரிட்டன் ‘ஆக்*ஷன் கம் ஒளிப்பதிவு இயக்குனரை ’...
கமல் பரிந்துரைத்திருக்கிறார்.
திரு.முக்தா சீனிவாசன் மறுத்திருக்கிறார்.

கமல் நடித்து வெளியான படம்...
சாகர் \ 1985 \ இந்தி \ இயக்கம் : ‘ஷோலே’ புகழ் ரமேஷ் ஷிப்பி


‘ஷோலே’
படத்தில் பணியாற்றிய ‘ஜிம் ஆலனை’...

பயன்படுத்த கமல் ஆசைப்பட்டதில் தவறிருக்கிறதா என்ன ?

ஜிம் ஆலன் பணியாற்றியிருந்தால்...1987 ல் வந்த நாயகன்
இன்னும் சிறப்பாக ஆக்*ஷன் காட்சிகளில் ஜொலித்திருக்கும் என்பதை ஷோலே படம் பார்த்தவர்கள் சொல்ல முடியும்.
பாவம்...திரு.முக்தா சீனிவாசன் ஷோலேயும் பார்க்கவில்லை போலும்.

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கமலுக்கு மேக்கப் கலையிலுள்ள ஆர்வமும், நிபுணத்துவமும் உலகமறிந்ததே.
அதே போல் திரு .முக்தா சீனிவாசன் தயாரித்து இயக்கியுள்ள படங்களில் மேக்கப் தரம் ‘பிரமாதமாக’ இருக்கும்.
ஏனெனில், அவரது கம்பெனி மேக்கப் கலைஞர்கள்
வீடுகளுக்கு வெள்ளையடிப்பதிலும் வல்லவர்கள்.

நான் இங்கே திரு.முக்தா சீனிவாசன் இயக்கத்தில் வந்த சில திரைப்படங்களை குறிப்பிட விரும்புகிறேன்.

1 தேன்மழை
2 நினைவில் நின்றவள்
3 நிறைகுடம்
4 அருணோதயம்
5 தவப்புதல்வன்
6 அன்பைத்தேடி
7 அவன் - அவள் - அது
இந்தப்படங்களில் ஒரு பொதுத்தன்மையிருக்கும்.
வியாதிகளை மையப்படுத்தி கதை பின்னப்பட்டிருக்கும்.
கேன்சர், மாலைக்கண், அம்னீஷியா, கர்ப்பப்பை கோளாறு, ஆண்மைக்குறைவு, துரித ஸ்கலிதம், சொப்ன ஸ்கலிதம், விரை வீக்கம் ...
இப்படி சகலவிதமான வியாதிகளை தெரிந்து கொண்டதே
திரு.முக்தா சீனிவாசன் படங்களை பார்த்துதான்.

இப்போதும் டெங்கு காய்ச்சல், பறவை காய்ச்சல் போன்ற புதிய வியாதிகள் ஐயா இயக்கத்தில் படமெடுக்க காத்திருக்கின்றன.

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திரு.முக்தா சீனிவாசன் அவர்கள்,
நான் தயாரித்த ‘சகலகலா வல்லவர்’ என்ற ராஜ் டி.வி தொடருக்கு பேட்டியளிக்கையில்,
தனக்கு நியாயமான லாபம் கிடைத்தது என்று குறிப்பிட்டார்.
இப்போது மாற்றி சொல்லக்காரணம் என்ன?
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திரு.முக்தா சீனிவாசன், காட்பாதர் படத்தை புரியாமல் பார்த்து தொலைத்திருப்பது இங்கேதான் வெட்ட வெளிச்சமாகிறது.

காட்பாதரில் மார்லன் பிராண்டோ,
தனது மகன் இறந்த செய்தி கேட்டு அழுகையை அடக்கி...
அடுத்தக்கட்ட நடவடிக்கைக்கு ஆர்டர் கொடுப்பார்.

பிராண்டோ உணர்ச்சி வயப்படாமல்... அறிவு பூர்வமாக செயல்பட்டார் என கொப்பல்லோ காட்சியமைத்திருக்கிறார்.
பிராண்டோவும் அப்படித்தான் நடித்திருக்கிறார்.


ஆனால் கமல் மகன் சடலத்தை பார்த்த பிறகு...
வசனமே பேசவில்லை.
உணர்வு பூர்வமாக அழுகையை வெளிப்படுத்தி நடித்திருக்கிறார்.
காப்பி...காப்பி...எனக்கதறி அழுபவர்களே...
இரண்டு படத்தையும் நன்றாக பாருங்கள்.
அப்போது புரியும்...
பிராண்டோ நடிப்பு வேறு...கமல் நடிப்பு வேறு.

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நாயகனில், கமல் தனது மகன் சடலத்தைப்பார்த்து டயலாக் பேசுவதாகத்தான் திரைக்கதையில் இருந்தது.
அதற்குறிய வசனத்தையும் எழுத்தாளர் பாலகுமாரன் எழுதி விட்டார்.
டேக்கில், வசனம் பேசி நடித்த கமல் பாதியில் நிறுத்தி விட்டார்.
கமல் மணியை பார்த்தார்.
மணி பாலகுமாரனை பார்த்தார்.
“ இவ்வளவு பெரிய சோகம் நடந்திருக்கு...
இந்த இடத்துல டயலாக் பேசிகிட்டு அழுவறது அபத்தமாயிருக்கு” என்றார் பாலகுமாரன்.

என்ன பண்ணலாம் ? என்பது போல் கமலை பார்த்தார் மணி.
கமல்... “ நான் ஒண்ணு பண்றேன்...சரியா வருதா பாருங்க” என்றார்.
‘கமலின் அழுகை,
மயில் அகவுவது போல் ஆரம்பித்து...பிளிறலாக உருவெடுத்தது’
என எனது நிகழ்ச்சிக்கான பேட்டியில் வர்ணித்தார் பாலகுமாரன்.

நாடே பாராட்டிய அழுகை காட்சியை...தியேட்டரில் ஊளையிட்டார்கள் என வக்கிரமமாக குறிப்பிட்டுள்ளார் திரு.முக்தா சீனிவாசன்.


ஒரு சராசரி இந்தியத்தந்தையின் உணர்ச்சி கொந்தளிப்பை மட்டும் வெளிப்படுத்தினார் கமல்.
ஊரே போற்றும் ‘டானின்’ புகழ், அந்தஸ்து என எல்லாவற்றையும் ஒத்தி வைத்த...பாசமிகு தந்தையின் கதறல் மட்டுமே...
அந்த நடிப்பில் வெளிப்பட்டதால்தான்
அக்காட்சியை இயக்குனர் மணிரத்னம் அங்கீகரித்தார்.
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sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
2nd November 2012, 05:25 PM
A Japanese Film fan's essay on Naayagan
http://shinobi-myasianmovies.blogspot.in/2010/07/nayagan-aka-nayakan-1987.html

Thanks to http://worldcinemafan.blogspot.in (http://worldcinemafan.blogspot.in/2012/11/blog-post.html)

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
2nd November 2012, 05:56 PM
Orkut Saga's Superb Banner! :clap:

http://sphotos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/46216_10151092548787077_1823993283_n.jpg

venkkiram
2nd November 2012, 06:08 PM
வாசகங்கள் சிறப்பு!

P_R
2nd November 2012, 07:08 PM
SKV many parts in that worldcinema post are in bad taste.
Anyway I think Muktha ably put in place Kamal's smart aleck comments.

Anban
2nd November 2012, 07:30 PM
Absolutely nothing in bad taste in that world cinema blog post.

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
2nd November 2012, 07:51 PM
SKV many parts in that worldcinema post are in bad taste.
Anyway I think Muktha ably put in place Kamal's smart aleck comments.

That blogger didn't justify kamal's whole post. very imp, the heart attack thingi. Ennai kettaa, avar vakkeel notice anuppinathoda stop pannirukkalaam. There were many bugs in his counter post. I posted them here and also in Hindu site(they are yet to approve!)

P_R
2nd November 2012, 08:00 PM
Anban/SKV, the attempted comedy about the ailments depicted in MS movies, seemed in bad-taste to me. Dunno if u guys read it fully.

The point is very simple....

MS had a much smaller movie in mind
Kamal dragged it into something bigger
MS refused to play ball
Kamal took potshots at him and was duly served back

The clarification about Allen, hawala seem quite petinent.
Attar was a killer :lol:

Of course the film wouldn't've been what it was without Kamal doing all that he did. No two ways about that. adhukkAga :lol2:

Anban
2nd November 2012, 08:39 PM
Kamal asked Sarika not muktha, to bring Attar.

PR,

Muktha's reply was nothing more than desperate attempt to hit back.

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
2nd November 2012, 10:31 PM
Mukta was cribbing about budget but he himself disagreed to shoot in mumbai and instead suggested to erect sets in chennai, which increased the costs 3 times. Also he rejected to use the hollywood stunt man. So what is the issue about budget
??

venkkiram
2nd November 2012, 10:34 PM
Mukta was cribbing about budget but he himself disagreed to shoot in mumbai and instead suggested to erect sets in chennai, which increased the costs 3 times. Also he rejected to use the hollywood stunt man. So what is the issue about budget
?? Is that true? I mean was really the budget went 3 times due to set erection?

irir123
2nd November 2012, 11:30 PM
even i didnt see/read anything amiss abt the cinemafan blog posting (maybe P_R felt that the references to MS's earlier films were inappropriate!)

inimel, Kamal shdnt give interviews to ppl like BRangan, who probably either misquote him or parahphrase him in a way that gives way to misunderstanding. avaru neradiyaa, TV illa Radio la interview koduthha better

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
2nd November 2012, 11:55 PM
Is that true? I mean was really the budget went 3 times due to set erection?
Nope, the mumbai shoot portions only.

Anban
3rd November 2012, 08:11 AM
Vishwaroopam audio release postpone aana kavalaiyea illaama inge enna discussion.

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
3rd November 2012, 08:39 AM
Vishwaroopam audio release postpone aana kavalaiyea illaama inge enna discussion.

போஸ்ட்போன் ஆச்சுன்னு இங்க உள்ளவங்களுக்கு எப்படி தெரியும்?? நீங்க சொன்னாத்தானே!!

நேத்து ஆர்குட்டில் நானும் பார்த்தேன். ஆனா இன்னிக்கு இப்படி ஒரு செய்தி வந்திருக்கே!

http://dailythanthi.com/node/22495

உடல் உறுப்புகளையும் தானம் செய்கிறார்கள் கமல்ஹாசன் பிறந்த நாளில் ரசிகர்கள் ரத்த தானம் 4 மாநிலங்களில் நடக்கிறது

சென்னை,
நடிகர் கமல்ஹாசன் பிறந்தநாளையொட்டி, ரசிகர்கள் ரத்த தானம் மற்றும் உடல் உறுப்புகளை தானம் செய்கிறார்கள். தமிழ்நாடு, புதுச்சேரி, கேரளா, கர்நாடகா ஆகிய 4 மாநிலங்களில் இந்த நிகழ்ச்சி நடக்கிறது.


அறிக்கை
அகில இந்திய கமல்ஹாசன் நற்பணி இயக்க பொறுப்பாளர் ஆர்.தங்கவேலு ஒரு அறிக்கை விடுத்து இருக்கிறார். அதில் கூறியிருப்பதாவது:


நற்பணி இயக்க தலைவர் கமல்ஹாசனின் விஸ்வரூபம் படத்தின் இசை வெளியீட்டு விழா, அவருடைய 58மிவது பிறந்த நாளான நவம்பர் 7மிந் தேதி சென்னை, மதுரை, கோவை ஆகிய 3 இடங்களில் நடைபெற இருக்கிறது. இதையொட்டி ரத்த தானம், உடல் உறுப்புகள் தானம் மற்றும் நல உதவிகள் வழங்கும் விழாக்கள் நாளை (ஞாயிற்றுக்கிழமை) முதல் இம்மாதம் முழுவதும் தமிழ்நாடு, புதுச்சேரி, கேரளா, கர்நாடகா ஆகிய 4 மாநிலங்களில் நடக்கிறது.


மரக்கன்றுகள்
சென்னையில், குரோம்பேட்டை சைல்டு கேர் பவுன்டேஷன் குழந்தைகளுக்கு உணவு மற்றும் 58 மரக்கன்றுகள் நடுவதுடன், காலை 8 மணிக்கு விழா தொடங்குகிறது. மாலை 5 மணி வரை 12 இடங்களில், பல்வேறு நலத்திட்ட பணிகள் வழங்கும் நிகழ்ச்சிகள் நடைபெறுகின்றன. இந்த நிகழ்ச்சிகளில், அகில இந்திய கமல்ஹாசன் நற்பணி இயக்க பொறுப்பாளர் ஆர்.தங்கவேலு கலந்துகொண்டு நலத்திட்ட உதவிகளை வழங்குகிறார். நிகழ்ச்சிக்கான ஏற்பாடுகளை மத்திய சென்னை ரமேஷ், ஜெயவேல், கமால், கிருபா, துரை, வட சென்னை மாறன், பாலா, காந்திபுரம் மணிவண்ணன், ஆவடி பாபு, ரூபலிங்கம் ஆகியோர் செய்து இருக்கிறார்கள்.


மதிய உணவு

இதுபோல் தஞ்சை, காஞ்சிபுரம், வால்பாறை, கோவை, திருப்பூர், விருதுநகர், சிவகாசி ஆகிய இடங்களிலும் மதிய உணவு, வேட்டிமிசேலை, குழந்தைகள் மற்றும் ஆட்டோ டிரைவர்களுக்கு சீருடைகள், நோட்டு புத்தகங்கள், ஆம்புலன்ஸ் வசதி போன்ற உதவிகள் வழங்கப்படுகின்றன.

Anban
3rd November 2012, 06:23 PM
Surely postponed, it seems. Indiaglitz guys just saw our posts. Others are waiting for confirmation.

pushpak
3rd November 2012, 08:16 PM
Movie will be 2013 summer release !!

Anban
3rd November 2012, 08:20 PM
Movie will be 2013 summer release !!

Max delay till Jan 2013

Mukzi
3rd November 2012, 11:22 PM
After articles on Nayakan by the star Kamal Haasan and the producer ‘Muktha’ V. Srinivasan – carried in these pages – a lot of people expressed interest in knowing the director’s viewpoint. Here are relevant excerpts from the just-released Conversations with Mani Ratnam by Baradwaj Rangan.

After your unsuccessful attempt to work with Kamal Haasan in Pallavi Anupallavi, you finally roped him in.

Kamal had sent over a producer, ‘Muktha’ Srinivasan, when I was working on the script of Agni Natchatiram. Agni was the film I wanted to do after Mouna Raagam... So ‘Muktha’ Srinivasan came home and said, dramatically, ‘Kizhakku endha pakkam?’ [Which way is east?] He made me stand in that direction and gave me an envelope. I thought it was money—an advance maybe—but it was actually a video cassette of a Hindi film. He said Kamal wanted me to see the film. I was not interested in a remake but the producer insisted that I see the film. Though a cheque would have been more appreciated than a cassette, I said I’d see it. I put the tape in. It was about Shammi Kapoor in a nuthouse [Pagla Kahin Ka]. I couldn’t bear it. I was very sure I wasn’t interested.

So when he returned the next day, I told him I had always felt I was not good for remakes. It was better to get someone efficient, someone who’d do things quickly and get the film out as soon as possible. He wasn’t flustered. He asked me to get into the car and go with him to AVM studios, where Kamal was shooting, and tell Kamal what I’d told him. I realized that, as much as I didn’t want to do this he didn’t want me for his film either. I met Kamal during his lunch break and told him that Pagla Kahin Ka was not my type of film and I wouldn’t be able to do it. Kamal then asked me what kind of film I would prefer to make. He said that the tape was just to start a conversation. I went to say no, but now I had a chance to make a film with Kamal and he was asking me what kind of film I’d do with him. I said there were two possibilities. One was a very sleek, city-based action film, a Dirty Harry or Beverly Hills Cop or a Bond-ish film, the kind of thing that had not been done much in Tamil cinema. It still hasn’t been done. I am a big fan of sleek action films. I’ve always wanted to do something like that. The second possibility was the life of Varadaraja Mudaliar.

What intrigued you about his story?

The two years I studied in Bombay (1975–77), he was at his peak. People in the Matunga belt thought he was God. I used to wonder how anyone could treat a fellow human as God. I never understood why they would do this. It fascinated me. It was such a dramatic story, this man going from Tamil Nadu to Bombay and ruling the city. I outlined this thought to Kamal and he said fine. That’s it. It was done. Decided. Mouna Raagam took five years to get approved. Nayakan got cleared in 10 minutes. It was September, I think. He said he’d given ‘Muktha’ Srinivasan dates in December and we could start shooting...

We had scheduled three days of shooting in December, and I told Kamal I wouldn’t be ready with the script. He said something that surprised me. He said that I could treat the three days as test shoots, with three get-ups for the three ages of the character. And we did just that. That is the kind of luxury I’d never had. The producer had no clue that we were shooting three scenes that were tests and may not make it to the final cut. They didn’t, though they were nice scenes. But the test shoot helped to get Velu Nayakar’s look right, and we also got the other details (art, props, shooting style, costumes) right... The first real schedule of Nayakan took place in January.

So the film that really, really put you on the map was a complete accident.

Yeah. I think Kamal too didn’t expect much from the film — at least not at the start and not what it became.

Looking at Kamal’s performance or anything else, did you have an inkling that Nayakan would become what it became?

With the time and effort you invest in each project, you expect that each one will work. It’s not that in Nayakan I was going out of the way and doing something extraordinary. It’s just that it’s such a pleasure when there’s an actor who delivers more than you can imagine. It takes a weight off your shoulders, because you no longer have to carry the scene by yourself. I realized that I didn’t have to stage a scene to prop up the actor. It was enough if the camera caught him. He brings credibility to the lines and makes it so effortless. He adds to the entire picture.

Apart from his ability to emote so well, he’s a master of technique. He did quite a bit of the make-up for the other actors in the film. If I had someone with a wound that didn’t look right, I’d go to him and ask him to fix it. He’d sit with the actor and get it done, and by that time I’d have finished all the other shots I had to do. He was really a part of the team that way. We could ask him for anything we wanted for anybody else and he would do it. He was the one who convinced Janakaraj and Delhi Ganesh to cut their hair and grow convincingly old along with Velu Nayakan. He would bring his own gun for a shot, and save the trouble of using a terrible dummy. He had this bottle made of sugar glass, which he had brought from US, and he used it in the fight with the cop. He made sure that the scene played out real. It is a big boon to have an extra mind on the set.

Saranya brought to the part a fragility that an established actor couldn’t have. She was effectively your first big ‘discovery’, cast opposite Kamal, one of the biggest stars around. At that early stage in your career, was it difficult convincing people about this casting?

Right from the beginning, we had only a new face in mind, because we felt the character would come through much stronger with a new actor. It would be more real. I had no problems convincing people. If you’re successful, they give you a longer rope. Mouna Raagam had done well. Also, [the producers] Muktha Films were breaking away from what they’d done in the past. They were working with an outside director for the first time. They were making a film on a much larger scale than they were used to. So they did not really question my casting. For most of the film I had complete freedom. We were looking for someone and this photograph came to us. Looks-wise, she was more or less what we wanted. We called her in for a test. I think we shot the test at the wedding hall owned by the producer, and we were convinced that we could get what we wanted out of her. She was the first and only person we saw for the role.

Excerpted with permission from Penguin Books India from the book Conversations with Mani Ratnam by Baradwaj Rangan. Penguin Viking/ Rs.799.

Keywords: Mani Ratnam, Tamil cinema, Kamal Haasan, Conversations with Mani Ratnam

http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/chennai/chen-cinema/kamal-too-didnt-expect-much-from-the-film/article4053951.ece

pushpak
4th November 2012, 05:03 AM
Max delay till Jan 2013
Hope so !!

nickraman
4th November 2012, 08:00 AM
Hope so !!

http://www.facebook.com/kamalhaasan.theofficialpage/posts/453575264679732

TEAM MAIAM UPDATE:

The audio launch function of Viswaroopam that had been scheduled to take place in Madurai, Coimbatore and Chennai in front of scores of Kamal Haasan's fans on November 7 coinciding with his birthday, has been pushed a little farther now due to the volatile weather condition. As experts have warned that the sky might not be favourable to the original plan of Kamal Haasan jetting
across the state to be present in all three cities for the launch on that particular day, the release has been pushed a little but not too far from the previous date. The move has been made considering the convenience of thousands of his fans who will partake in the grand launch in each of the three cities as well. Another highlight of the occasion will be the launch of “Maiam”, the web magazine, curated by Kamal Haasan himself. Following Tamil, the Telugu audio of Viswaroopam has also been planned to be launched in Vijayawada, Vishakapatnam and Hyderabad on the same day, while the songs of Vishwaroop (Hindi) will be unveiled in Mumbai later.

7ஆம் தேதி மதுரை, கோவை மற்றும் சென்னையில் ரசிகர்கள் முன்னிலையில் நடக்க இருந்த இசை வெழியீட்டு விழா மோசமான வானிலை காரணமாக சற்றே ஒத்திவைக்கப்பட்டுள்ளது. 7ஆம் தேதி மோசமான வானிலை உள்ளது ௭ன்றும் அப்போது விமானத்தை செலுத்துவது ஆபத்து ௭ன்றும் வானிலை நிபுணர்கள் தெரிவித்துள்ளனர். அத்துடன் இத்தகைய வானிலையில் விழாவிற்கு வரும் பல்லாயிரகணக்கான ரசிகர்களும் பாதிக்கப் படுவார்கள். ஆகவே, இவற்றை கருத்தில் கொண்டு விழா சற்றே தள்ளிவைக்கப்படுகிறது.

இவ்விழாவில் “மய்யம்” பத்திரிக்கை இணையதளப் பத்திரிக்கையாக வெளிவர இருக்கிறது. இதே போன்ற ஒரு இசை வெளியீட்டு விழா ஆந்திராவில் விஜயவாடா, விசாகபட்டினம் மற்றும் ஹைதராபாத் ஆகிய மூன்று நகரங்களிலும் ஒரேநாளில் நடக்கவுள்ளது ஹிந்தி இசை வெளியீட்டு விழா மும்பையிலும் நடக்கும்.

Cinemarasigan
5th November 2012, 02:17 PM
http://www.facebook.com/kamalhaasan.theofficialpage/posts/453575264679732

TEAM MAIAM UPDATE:

The audio launch function of Viswaroopam that had been scheduled to take place in Madurai, Coimbatore and Chennai in front of scores of Kamal Haasan's fans on November 7 coinciding with his birthday, has been pushed a little farther now due to the volatile weather condition. As experts have warned that the sky might not be favourable to the original plan of Kamal Haasan jetting
across the state to be present in all three cities for the launch on that particular day, the release has been pushed a little but not too far from the previous date. The move has been made considering the convenience of thousands of his fans who will partake in the grand launch in each of the three cities as well. Another highlight of the occasion will be the launch of “Maiam”, the web magazine, curated by Kamal Haasan himself. Following Tamil, the Telugu audio of Viswaroopam has also been planned to be launched in Vijayawada, Vishakapatnam and Hyderabad on the same day, while the songs of Vishwaroop (Hindi) will be unveiled in Mumbai later.

7ஆம் தேதி மதுரை, கோவை மற்றும் சென்னையில் ரசிகர்கள் முன்னிலையில் நடக்க இருந்த இசை வெழியீட்டு விழா மோசமான வானிலை காரணமாக சற்றே ஒத்திவைக்கப்பட்டுள்ளது. 7ஆம் தேதி மோசமான வானிலை உள்ளது ௭ன்றும் அப்போது விமானத்தை செலுத்துவது ஆபத்து ௭ன்றும் வானிலை நிபுணர்கள் தெரிவித்துள்ளனர். அத்துடன் இத்தகைய வானிலையில் விழாவிற்கு வரும் பல்லாயிரகணக்கான ரசிகர்களும் பாதிக்கப் படுவார்கள். ஆகவே, இவற்றை கருத்தில் கொண்டு விழா சற்றே தள்ளிவைக்கப்படுகிறது.

இவ்விழாவில் “மய்யம்” பத்திரிக்கை இணையதளப் பத்திரிக்கையாக வெளிவர இருக்கிறது. இதே போன்ற ஒரு இசை வெளியீட்டு விழா ஆந்திராவில் விஜயவாடா, விசாகபட்டினம் மற்றும் ஹைதராபாத் ஆகிய மூன்று நகரங்களிலும் ஒரேநாளில் நடக்கவுள்ளது ஹிந்தி இசை வெளியீட்டு விழா மும்பையிலும் நடக்கும்.

There is no mention about the date... :confused2:

pushpak
5th November 2012, 07:00 PM
There is no mention about the date... :confused2:

We are Kamal fans. We need not answer to the question :)

NOV
6th November 2012, 09:25 AM
Birthday Specials starts today on Astro Vellithirai! :happydance:

9pm - Indian
12am - Aalavandhaan
3am - Neeyaa
7am - Avargal
10.30 - Anbe Sivam
2.30 - Sathya
6pm - Devar Magan
9pm - Aboorva Sagotharargal

Anban
6th November 2012, 09:37 AM
avanga avvalavu nalla channel-aa

NOV
6th November 2012, 09:40 AM
why this doubt? :think:

dell_gt
6th November 2012, 10:39 AM
Birthday Specials starts today on Astro Vellithirai! :happydance:

9pm - Indian
12am - Aalavandhaan
3am - Neeyaa
7am - Avargal
10.30 - Anbe Sivam
2.30 - Sathya
6pm - Devar Magan
9pm - Aboorva Sagotharargal

awesome !!!

Cinemarasigan
6th November 2012, 10:42 AM
Birthday Specials starts today on Astro Vellithirai! :happydance:

9pm - Indian
12am - Aalavandhaan
3am - Neeyaa
7am - Avargal
10.30 - Anbe Sivam
2.30 - Sathya
6pm - Devar Magan
9pm - Aboorva Sagotharargal

Astro Vellithirai & Malaysia Vaazhga!! All are good movies.. Office-ku leave pOttuttu ellA padatthaiyum pArunga Nov...

Cha, India-la endha channel-um indha maadhiri telecast paNNalaiyE... :hammer:

NOV
6th November 2012, 07:01 PM
Astro Vellithirai & Malaysia Vaazhga!! All are good movies.. Office-ku leave pOttuttu ellA padatthaiyum pArunga Nov...actually I have all these movies (except Neeyaa) in my DVD collection :lol:

groucho070
7th November 2012, 07:08 AM
Many happy returns, (borrowing from Joe's wishes in FB) the greatest showman in Tamizh cinema. Wife and son at home whole day watching his movies (re: schedule by NOV). I need Gelusil.

joe
7th November 2012, 07:59 AM
Happy Birthday Thala!

Arvind Srinivasan
7th November 2012, 08:19 AM
A very happy birthday to my favourite filmaker and actor.....

Srimannarayanan
7th November 2012, 08:32 AM
Many More happy returns of the day Sir.

venkkiram
7th November 2012, 09:31 AM
பிறந்த நாள் வாழ்த்துக்கள் கமல்!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=465RsI5PNOo

hamid
7th November 2012, 10:30 AM
Wish the complete filmmaker and actor Kamal a very Happy B'day.. :cheer: Hope and belive Kamal gives us more and more good movies and the hope we get the right rasanai(whats the english word for this :oops: )to understand, analyze and celebrate his films..

ajaybaskar
7th November 2012, 12:34 PM
Wishing UN a very happy birthday. :)

hattori_hanzo
7th November 2012, 12:50 PM
I don't know whom to appreciate. The meteorological department or Aandavar's instinct? After 4 days of sunshine, it rained heavily this morning and looks like more rains are expected. Good decision Thalaiva. Wish you a happy birthday!

VinodKumar's
7th November 2012, 01:03 PM
Iniya piranthanaal vazhthukkal Kamal sir.

http://www.tamilpaper.net/paper/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/2012-Devar-Magan-Kamal-300x237.jpg

abhi_d
7th November 2012, 02:10 PM
Kamal sir, Many more happy returns of the day.

SoftSword
7th November 2012, 03:32 PM
Happy Birthday Kamal!

Cinefan
7th November 2012, 03:47 PM
Pirandha Naal Vazhthukkal Sir.

The only celebrity I like to wish in a public forum.My most favourite film personality.

PARAMASHIVAN
7th November 2012, 03:52 PM
Happy birthday to the legend!

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
7th November 2012, 07:04 PM
SUPER AWESOME STUFF!!! THE KAMALHAASAN INFOGRAPH

http://shrihari.me/kamal/kamal.jpg

shrihari.me/kamal/

SoftSword
7th November 2012, 07:52 PM
which is that 1998 movie he directed... the sketch looks like avvai shanmugan...

joe
7th November 2012, 07:58 PM
which is that 1998 movie he directed... the sketch looks like avvai shanmugan...
You don't know sachi420 ?

Anban
7th November 2012, 08:20 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=z8wHO-F9Mr8#!

awesome video.. the best I have seen today..

PARAMASHIVAN
7th November 2012, 08:46 PM
which is that 1998 movie he directed... the sketch looks like avvai shanmugan...

Yes...

Raajjaa
7th November 2012, 08:54 PM
http://i45.tinypic.com/k2iq0m.jpg

Raajjaa
7th November 2012, 08:55 PM
http://i48.tinypic.com/2z3s4dw.jpg

PARAMASHIVAN
7th November 2012, 08:58 PM
Isdard da mujeek , annan vanthutar!

venkkiram
7th November 2012, 09:09 PM
Raajjaa.. இந்த புகைப்படங்கள் பழைய கால பொங்கல் வாழ்த்து அட்டைகளை ஞாபகப் படுத்திற்று. நன்றி. வேறு ஏதேனும் இதுபோல புகைப்படங்கள் இருந்தால் அதையும் இங்கே பகிருங்கள்.

Raajjaa
7th November 2012, 09:21 PM
http://i47.tinypic.com/ayozo9.jpg

Raajjaa
7th November 2012, 09:23 PM
http://i46.tinypic.com/2yxn4n7.jpg

Raajjaa
7th November 2012, 09:28 PM
http://i46.tinypic.com/2uxw9ar.jpg

Raajjaa
7th November 2012, 09:29 PM
http://i45.tinypic.com/4uevdd.jpg

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
7th November 2012, 09:41 PM
http://i46.tinypic.com/2uxw9ar.jpg


intha manusan irukkaare...... :rotfl: :wink: :lol:

SoftSword
7th November 2012, 09:50 PM
intha manusan irukkaare...... :rotfl: :wink: :lol:

brotherly love boss... avarae sonnaar....


joe..
i was not aware that the hindi version was directed by him... thanks for the info..

Raajjaa
7th November 2012, 10:27 PM
ஆம் வெங்கி.

முதல் இரண்டு படங்கள் புத்தாண்டு மற்றும் பொங்கல் வாழ்த்து அட்டைகளில் 25 ஆண்டுகளுக்கு முன்பு வந்து இருக்கிறது.

hattori_hanzo
7th November 2012, 11:38 PM
Tick*3 was remade in Hindi? And that too by I.V.Sasi? :roll: Post EDKL's success he seemed to have acted in too many remakes.

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
8th November 2012, 01:15 AM
Dhananjayan Govind ‏@Dhananjayang
The biggest attraction was the presence of Superstar at Kamal sir's birthday party & his quick interaction with many guests. Memorable party

Vijay sir met Kamal sir at residence & wished him. Hence he was not there at the party till I left ....

Great to see Mammootty sir, Dilip sir, Naren & leading producers from Malayalam industry spending good time at the party. So sweet:-)

Kamal sir personally spent time with each of the guests. All top directors, artistes & producers having a great time at the party:-)

Just out of Kamal sir's grand birthday party. One of the best gatherings of South talent at the party. So priviliged & proud to be with them

pushpak
8th November 2012, 08:43 AM
Tick*3 was remade in Hindi? And that too by I.V.Sasi? :roll: Post EDKL's success he seemed to have acted in too many remakes.

Yes. And that spoiled his career in Hindi. If he wanted to stick to Hindi, should have done originals.
But I am happy for whatever happened because there is nothing as beautiful as Kamal speaking Tamil....

Cinemarasigan
8th November 2012, 11:11 AM
Dhananjayan Govind ‏@Dhananjayang
The biggest attraction was the presence of Superstar at Kamal sir's birthday party & his quick interaction with many guests. Memorable party

Vijay sir met Kamal sir at residence & wished him. Hence he was not there at the party till I left ....

Great to see Mammootty sir, Dilip sir, Naren & leading producers from Malayalam industry spending good time at the party. So sweet:-)

Kamal sir personally spent time with each of the guests. All top directors, artistes & producers having a great time at the party:-)

Just out of Kamal sir's grand birthday party. One of the best gatherings of South talent at the party. So priviliged & proud to be with them

Belated Happy Birthday to Sir!!

WoW, the list of attendees are very interesting.. last year Maniratnam and Vijay, this year SuperStar and Mammootty..

Dhananjayan Govind of UTV... Is UTV going to release VR?..

balaajee
8th November 2012, 12:11 PM
Why Kamal met Jayalalithaa? (http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/article/88038.html)- IndiaGlitz

hattori_hanzo
8th November 2012, 11:19 PM
http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/c38.0.403.403/p403x403/14389_474244855953335_1108980024_n.jpg

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
10th November 2012, 03:34 PM
WOW! 58 Creative Avatars of Ulaga Naayagan by the famous Artist Sridhar! :clap:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5WedJ4iGck

HonestRaj
12th November 2012, 02:53 PM
saw VARUMAIYIN NIRAM SIVAPPU..
- didn't felt bored for entire length.. amazing to see Kamal's dialogue delivery @ the age of ~25
- debut for Dileep & S V Sekar..

ajaybaskar
12th November 2012, 03:05 PM
I still cant get over with SVeS' over action during that lunch scene. :rotfl:

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
12th November 2012, 08:52 PM
Star Gold International
Dashavtar at 12:45PM of 13th November in Star Gold International

PARAMASHIVAN
12th November 2012, 08:56 PM
saw VARUMAIYIN NIRAM SIVAPPU..
- didn't felt bored for entire length.. amazing to see Kamal's dialogue delivery @ the age of ~25
- debut for Dileep & S V Sekar..

One of Kamal's best movie, songs were too good! Esp "Sitrpi irukuthu muthum irukuthu" !

HonestRaj
13th November 2012, 02:01 AM
didn't liked the sad ending.. kind of -ve feel for the viewer..
i was wondering is that the real situation in late 70's & early 80's.. unemployment.. people used to say "andha kaalathula ellam govt.la easy'ah velai kidaichadhu"

prathap pothen was funny..

Cinemarasigan
14th November 2012, 06:18 PM
didn't liked the sad ending.. kind of -ve feel for the viewer..
i was wondering is that the real situation in late 70's & early 80's.. unemployment.. people used to say "andha kaalathula ellam govt.la easy'ah velai kidaichadhu"

prathap pothen was funny..

Indha padam vandha samayatthil "unemployment" was a problem. easy-ah velai kedachadhu adhukku mundhina decade...

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
14th November 2012, 06:38 PM
Arun Vaidyanathan
(http://www.facebook.com/arun.vaidyanathan/posts/10151173034511871)

தீபாவளி - தியேட்டருக்குள் நுழைந்தாயிற்று. பலத்த கூட்டம், அடிதடி, பட்டாசு சத்தம், நெரிசல். ஆனால், எனக்கு ஆள் தெரியும் என்பதால் சர்வ சாதாரணமாய் பால்கனிக்குள் நுழைந்தாயிற்று. முதல் காட்சி - "அப்படி இப்படின்னீங்க...யாரையும் காணும்" என்று கௌதமி சொல்ல, "இப்போ பாரு!" என்று பங்க் ஸ்டைலோடு கருப்பு உடையில் கமல்ஹாசன் குதிக்க, 'தேவர் மகன்' ஆரம்பமானது. காட்சிகள் ஒவ்வொன்றும் மெதுவாய் நகர, ஒரு 'கிளாசிக்'கைப் பார்த்துக் கொண்டிருக்கிறோம் என்கிற பிரக்ஞையே இல்லாமல் பார்த்துக் கொண்டிருந்தேன். இடைவேளை முடிந்து படம் ஆரம்பித்ததும், கமல் கௌதமி காட்சிகள் - ஒரு முதிர்ச்சியான காதல் தோல்வி. தியேட்டரில் சிலர் சத்தம் போட்டனர். நான் படம் காலி என்று நினைத்தேன். படம் கடைசியில் "போய் புள்ள குட்டிங்கள படிக்க வைங்கடா!" என்ற வசனத்தோடு, இளையராஜாவின் அம்சமான இசையோடு முடிந்தது.

சிவாஜி என்ற நடிகனின் ஆளுமை, பி.சி.ஸ்ரீராமின் ஒளிப்பதிவு, இயல்பான இசை, அருமையான வசனங்கள், பரதனின் இயக்கம் - கமல்ஹாசன் எனும் தயாரிப்பாளர் மற்றும் நடிகனின் கனவு - எல்லாம் எனக்கு பிடித்திருந்தது. ஆனால், அந்தப் படம் மக்களுக்குப் பிடிக்காதோ என்று மன உளைச்சல். ஒரே படபடப்பு. சீர்காழியில் எனது நண்பர்கள் "படம் எப்படி" என்று கேட்டார்கள், "எனக்கு புடிச்சுது!" என்று பதில் சொன்னேன். அடுத்த கேள்வி "ஓடுமா" என்றார்கள். எனக்குப் பிடிக்காத கேள்வி அது என்றாலும், "தெரியலை" என்ற ஒற்றை வார்த்தை பதிலை சொல்லி வைத்தேன். ஆனால், ஏதோ நானே படம் எடுத்து வெளியிட்டது போல ஏகமாய் சிந்தனைகள். யோசிக்க யோசிக்க ஜுரமே வந்து விட்டது. இழுத்து போர்த்தி படுத்து விட்டேன்.

ஆனால், இரண்டு மூன்று நாட்களில் கட்டுக்கடங்கா கூட்டம்...படம் ஹிட். இன்றும் கூட, "நீ படிச்சவனாச்சே...கூட்டுட்டு வா, அந்தப் பய மெதுவாத் தான் வருவான்!" என்று பேசுவது நண்பர் குழாமில் சகஜமான விஷயம். வடிவேலுவின் இசக்கி கேரக்டர், மதன் பாப்பின் வக்கீல் காரெக்டர், 'சந்தனம் மிஞ்சிச்சுன்னா குண்டீலே பூசுவாங்களாம்' என்ற நாசரின் நக்கல், காக்கா ராதாகிருஷ்ணனின் கோணல் வாய் அங்கலாய்ப்புகள் மற்றும் திமிர், கள்ளபார்ட் நடராஜனின் "நல்லா செஞ்சுட்டீக அய்யா" வசனம், ரேவதியின் 'லிஸ்ப்டிக்...எனக்கொண்ணுமில்லை...இந்த ஊர்க்காரப் பயலுக தான்' எல்லாம் பசுமையாய் நிற்கிறது -

இப்படியாக சில தீபாவளி படங்களும், அதனூடான நினைவுகளும் என்னைப் போன்றவர்களுக்கிருக்கிறது என்பதை இன்றைய யூத்துகளுக்கு பிரகடனப்படுத்தத் தான் இந்தப் பகிர்வு

PARAMASHIVAN
14th November 2012, 06:41 PM
Folks

Small doubt about "Punnagai mannan". Those scenes involving Revathy, where they really shot in Kandy?? Or was it in places like "ooty/Kodaikanal" etc ?

pushpak
14th November 2012, 07:56 PM
One of Kamal's best movie, songs were too good! Esp "Sitrpi irukuthu muthum irukuthu" !

yes.... what a song... I still listen to it atleast once in a month..

Nizhalkal was released same time - talking about unemployment itself (it had Kamal's involvement as well !!)
Kamal had told he like nizhalgal more than VNS.. but in BO VNS was the winner :)

irir123
14th November 2012, 08:47 PM
unemployment was a major problem during the late 70s and early 80s - public sector companies took up majority ppl earlier decades and unless the govt printed extra money to pay for extra employees, there was no way they could afford employing more makkals. they eventually did print and circulate money during our social era, causing inflation egurufying every year.

"yenakku andha companila oru machhaan irukkaaru, indha companila oru chithhappu irukku" rangela recommendation vangithaan vela kedakkin - adhula, namma ooru middle-class value system summaaa velai illaadhavana kurai solradhum, dignity of labor appadeengara matterukku madhippu konjam kooda illaamavum irundhuchhu - thus, KB showcasing his hero as a barber was a nice touch!

however, VNS - though it had its moments, was KB's melo-dramatization of a problem

Avadi to America
14th November 2012, 09:57 PM
In VNS, the irresponsible and cunning character of “oru viral krishnarao”, a lesser known charecter, is notable one. The way he threatens Sridvei to get money, asks cigarette from public and having food right after his mom's death....everything has KB's touch... The comedy scene I like the most is Kamal and his friends are acting as they are having nice food in their home while Sridevi was waiting outside. S V sekar "dai sapattai methuva pesaingada... rasam kannula therikuthu"....All the songs are excellent, Chippi Irukkuthu, Theerthakkarayinile, Ranga Rangiah, Nallathor Veenai, Paattu Onnu Paadu Thambi. My favorites are theertha karyinile and nallathor veenai.. It doesn't mean that the other songs are lesser quality. It's lyrics that stands taller than others. I even watched this movie in hindi...IMO, thamizh version is the best.

sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
14th November 2012, 10:00 PM
Enjoy the scene here!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xtvJupaWeo

irir123
15th November 2012, 12:52 AM
Enjoy the scene here!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xtvJupaWeo


btw, this was before Kamal took to method acting - which included playing / looking the part of the character (16 vayadhinile was an exception though) - for someone who is unemployed and eating once in a while, Kamal paakaradhukku kizhangu madhiri illa ?!

Avadi to America
15th November 2012, 08:13 PM
thanks sakala... I still remeber few dialogues from the scene...

irir123, appalam kamal ire timela pala padam pannitu irrntharu.... intha padathukaga odamba koraicha...matha producerlam prachanai panna mattangala....

hattori_hanzo
15th November 2012, 11:42 PM
Is this true?

From Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigappu_Rojakkal

Sigappu Rojakkal was remade in Japanese as Red Roses, in Korean as Bloody Roses, in Hindi as Red Rose (1980), in Persian as Gul Surkh, in Russian as Krasnyye Rozy, in Telugu as Erra Gulabilu and in Thai as Kulab Daeng.

vidyasakaran
16th November 2012, 07:25 PM
பொதிகை சானலில் கமல் சிவாஜி உரையாடல், 'களஞ்சியத்திலிருந்து' நிகழ்ச்சியில்.
முடியும்வரை நகரப் போவதில்லை.
:)

joe
16th November 2012, 08:41 PM
பொதிகை சானலில் கமல் சிவாஜி உரையாடல், 'களஞ்சியத்திலிருந்து' நிகழ்ச்சியில்.
முடியும்வரை நகரப் போவதில்லை.
:)

யாராவது தரவேற்றுங்கப்பா ..புண்ணியமா போகும் .

pushpak
20th November 2012, 09:56 AM
One channel reports that Tippu Sultan will resume after Vishwaroopam release !!

Cinemarasigan
20th November 2012, 12:12 PM
One channel reports that Tippu Sultan will resume after Vishwaroopam release !!

In Malayalam or multilingual?

venkkiram
22nd November 2012, 04:40 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GR1q7HhlQXE

பாலச்சந்தர் சொன்ன அறிவுரையில் தர்க்கமே இல்லை. அதை எப்படி இன்றும் சிறந்த அறிவுரையாக மதித்து மக்களிடத்தில் சொல்லிவருகிறார் எனத் தெரியவில்லை.

pushpak
22nd November 2012, 08:37 AM
In Malayalam or multilingual?

It is in Malayalam. But may get dubbed to Tamil like his other Malayalam movies (I guess)

Cinemarasigan
22nd November 2012, 12:10 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GR1q7HhlQXE

பாலச்சந்தர் சொன்ன அறிவுரையில் தர்க்கமே இல்லை. அதை எப்படி இன்றும் சிறந்த அறிவுரையாக மதித்து மக்களிடத்தில் சொல்லிவருகிறார் எனத் தெரியவில்லை.

The video is very nicely done.. Looks like Kamals respect for KB is growing ...

hattori_hanzo
25th November 2012, 12:30 AM
From Facebook:

http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/526106_286868264750093_1613743937_n.jpg

ராஜாவின் அதி அற்புத இசையில் கமலின் அட்டகாசமான நடிப்பில் வெளிவந்த "ராஜ பார்வை" படத்திற்கு இன்னொரு பெருமையும் உண்டு.

"ராஜ பார்வை" படத்தின் போது கமல்ஹாசனுக்கு "இளைய வள்ளல்" என்ற பட்டத்தை புரட்சி தலைவர் எம்.ஜி.ஆர் வழங்கினார் என்பதுதான் அந்த இன்னொரு பெருமை.

Kanna
27th November 2012, 08:20 PM
Heard a few months back that thalaivar crooned for "Haridas", whose audio was launched yesterday. Can someone confirm this? Thanks

geno
3rd December 2012, 11:51 PM
Heard from a Source:

Kamal and Shruthi hassan conversing in front of a literary-world friend (read siru pathirikkai world friend) of Kamal:

Shruthi : appA - andha Car Driver en pEchai kEkka mAttengarar; Left-la pOka sonnA right-la pORaru

Kamal: nee Left-la pOganumnA avarai Right-la pO-nu solla vEndiyathuthAna....

geno
4th December 2012, 12:21 AM
"....ஆளெல்லாம் மடிந்து சில நூறு வருடங்களில் மீண்டும் உயிர்த்தெழுந்து தோப்புகள் சூழும். ஆற்றுப் படுகையில் இன்றைய வீடுகள் நிர்மூலமாகி மண்ணோடு கலந்து புதிய கரடு முரடான ஆற்றுப் படுகையாகும். இதெல்லாம் முன் வீடுகளும் மனிதர்களும் இருந்த இடம் என்று நினைவு கூற ஒரு மனம்கூட மிஞ்சாது.



நாம் அழிவோம் உலகழியாது. நாம் உலகத்தின் அச்சாணியல்ல.

சுழலும் அச்சக்கரத்தின் சரித்திரப் புத்தகத்தின் நடுவில் ஒரு சிறிய வாக்கியத்தின் கடைசியில் வரும் முற்றுப் புள்ளி."


:)

selvakumar
4th December 2012, 08:04 AM
Welcome back Geno. That is a nice one.


நாம் அழிவோம் உலகழியாது. நாம் உலகத்தின் அச்சாணியல்ல.

சுழலும் அச்சக்கரத்தின் சரித்திரப் புத்தகத்தின் நடுவில் ஒரு சிறிய வாக்கியத்தின் கடைசியில் வரும் முற்றுப் புள்ளி.

geno
6th December 2012, 12:29 AM
Welcome back Geno. That is a nice one.

எழுதுவதில் இத்தனை நுட்பம் உள்ளதென்றால் அந்த ஆளின் எண்ணத்தில் எத்தனை நுட்பம் இருக்க வேண்டும்!

raagadevan
9th December 2012, 10:46 PM
Kamal’s 50 glorious years

http://www.thehindu.com/arts/cinema/kamals-50-glorious-years/article4178731.ece?homepage=true

hattori_hanzo
11th December 2012, 01:47 PM
http://www.bollywoodhungama.com/celebrities/features/type/view/id/4277

Kamal Haasan pays homage to his idol Dilip Kumar

http://images.bollywoodhungama.com/img/feature/12/dec/dilipkamal1.jpg

raagadevan
11th December 2012, 08:24 PM
http://www.bollywoodhungama.com/celebrities/features/type/view/id/4277

Kamal Haasan pays homage to his idol Dilip Kumar

http://images.bollywoodhungama.com/img/feature/12/dec/dilipkamal1.jpg

The same article (by Subhash K. Jha) came in the Times of India too, but it had an additional paragraph at the end:

Kamal Haasan has one regret about his idol. "The country made him so insecure that Yusuf Khan changed his name to Dilip Kumar. Today a man called Dilip has changed his name to A R Rahman. The country has grown up. Though not enough. In Tamil Nadu you won't find any actor with a Muslim name except Nasser. Even I was advised to change my name since it sounded Muslim."


Here is the link: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/bollywood/news-interviews/I-discovered-an-entire-galaxy-in-Dilip-Saab-Kamal-Hassan/articleshow/17568019.cms

hattori_hanzo
11th December 2012, 10:07 PM
In Tamil Nadu you won't find any actor with a Muslim name except Nasser. Even I was advised to change my name since it sounded Muslim."

hmm...Mansoor Ali Khan, Riyaz Khan, Abbas irukkaanga. But yeah, Sadaf changed her name to Sada. Shamzuddin to Shaam and Jamshed is now Arya.

raagadevan
12th December 2012, 04:05 AM
hmm...Mansoor Ali Khan, Riyaz Khan, Abbas irukkaanga. But yeah, Sadaf changed her name to Sada. Shamzuddin to Shaam and Jamshed is now Arya.

See what happened to Mansoor Ali Khan! :)

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/chennai/Woman-to-pay-Rs-50-lakh-for-accusing-actor-of-rape/articleshow/17563842.cms?

SoftSword
12th December 2012, 05:19 AM
adappaavingalaa... :shock:

Nasc
12th December 2012, 06:35 AM
The same article (by Subhash K. Jha) came in the Times of India too, but it had an additional paragraph at the end:

Kamal Haasan has one regret about his idol. "The country made him so insecure that Yusuf Khan changed his name to Dilip Kumar. Today a man called Dilip has changed his name to A R Rahman. The country has grown up. Though not enough. In Tamil Nadu you won't find any actor with a Muslim name except Nasser. Even I was advised to change my name since it sounded Muslim."


Here is the link: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/bollywood/news-interviews/I-discovered-an-entire-galaxy-in-Dilip-Saab-Kamal-Hassan/articleshow/17568019.cms

kamal sonnathu actors ;)
:yessir:

NOV
12th December 2012, 06:37 AM
hmm...Mansoor Ali Khan, Riyaz Khan, Abbas irukkaanga. But yeah, Sadaf changed her name to Sada. Shamzuddin to Shaam and Jamshed is now Arya.also Kushboo, Nagma, Jothika

ajaybaskar
12th December 2012, 09:34 AM
Poorna,Rajkiran

P_R
12th December 2012, 11:22 AM
Dilip Kumar avvaLO periya aaL-A?
sameebakaalamA kannApinnAnu rasikkiRaarE namma aaLu.
yEdhO, nallA irundhA sari.

Cinemarasigan
12th December 2012, 11:31 AM
Devar Magan VeLLi vizha-vukku kooda Dilip Kumar thaan chief guest...

irir123
13th December 2012, 06:17 AM
Dilip Kumar avvaLO periya aaL-A?
sameebakaalamA kannApinnAnu rasikkiRaarE namma aaLu.
yEdhO, nallA irundhA sari.

ivaru "DSP is next IR" rangela pesalayaa ? yellaam appdithaan - kamal appappo idhu madhiri senjukittey/sollikittey iruppaaru - naama thaan konjam thelivaa irukkanum

pushpak
13th December 2012, 06:19 AM
ivaru "DSP is next IR" rangela pesalayaa ? yellaam appdithaan - kamal appappo idhu madhiri senjukittey/sollikittey iruppaaru - naama thaan konjam thelivaa irukkanum

As if no one else does it !!!
Kamal senja mattum kutrama? :)

irir123
13th December 2012, 06:27 AM
As if no one else does it !!!
Kamal senja mattum kutrama? :)

everyone else matterey theriyaama, sagattu menikku pugazhndhu thalluvaanga - Kamal vivaram/vidayam therindha aal - therinjukittey ippdi pugazhumbodhu, nijamaavey solraaraa, illa paasaangaa ?

gurusaravanan
16th December 2012, 03:44 PM
semma :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9NwreErLEg

venkkiram
16th December 2012, 07:06 PM
Too good! Thanks gurusaravanan. I need a better print.

gurusaravanan
17th December 2012, 03:38 PM
Too good! Thanks gurusaravanan. I need a better print.
:) sure, ll post once i got it .

gurusaravanan
17th December 2012, 03:38 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDz9wf_2l8U

geno
19th December 2012, 12:47 AM
Dilip Kumar avvaLO periya aaL-A?
sameebakaalamA kannApinnAnu rasikkiRaarE namma aaLu.
yEdhO, nallA irundhA sari.

AFAI Know - Kamal eulogizing Yusuf Khan (Dilip Kumar) Saheb happened even before the Filming of Marudhanaayagam - He has often played with Words, aptly, like the use of - Yusuf becoming Dilip and Dilip becoming Rahman. I used to have paper cuttings of Kamal's interviews from late 1980s (after pEsum padam) - i remember reading him praising Dilip Kumar a lot.

Kamal loved Mehmood (of Padosan fame) too. I remember him saying "..we all Mylapore/Alwarpet friends went to Kamadhenu theatre conspiring to tear the Seats there with Blades (since Kamadhenu was playing Padosan), since Mehmood was making fun of tamil pArpanars. But when i saw the film - i just started loving him".

P_R
19th December 2012, 01:41 AM
AFAI Know - Kamal eulogizing Yusuf Khan (Dilip Kumar) Saheb happened even before the Filming of Marudhanaayagam - He has often played with Words, aptly, like the use of - Yusuf becoming Dilip and Dilip becoming Rahman. I used to have paper cuttings of Kamal's interviews from late 1980s (after pEsum padam) - i remember reading him praising Dilip Kumar a lot.

Ya, inviting him for the Aboorva. Jubilee function etc. There was a lot of coverage in his maiyam magazine.
But saying things like Sivaji is my sun/pole-star and (implied 'but') Dilip Kumar is a galaxy.... :roll:
Considering him for periya thEvar's role in Hindi :shock:

andha aLavukku pudikkumnu ellAm sameebamA dhAn niRaiya kELvippadurEn.
And from what precious little I have watched of Dilip Kumar it sounds a tad effusive.

venkkiram
19th December 2012, 09:59 PM
P_R, Geno.. deep insights on Hey Ram. Thanks.

Today I found a post on Hey Ram. Good attempt.

http://jamalantamil.blogspot.com/2007/10/blog-post_27.html

ஒளிரும் பாரதத்திற்காக பலியிடப்பட்ட மகாத்மா - ஹே ராம் எனும் அழித்தெழுதப்பட்ட பிரதி

raagadevan
21st December 2012, 07:49 AM
Working with Rajinikanth is a costly affair: Kamal Haasan

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/bollywood/news-interviews/Working-with-Rajinikanth-is-a-costly-affair-Kamal-Haasan/articleshow/17693473.cms

smaiitm
21st December 2012, 10:48 AM
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/bollywood/news-interviews/Should-never-have-married-Kamal-Hassan/articleshow/17702873.cms
Should never have married: Kamal Hassan
Where has your conflict with multiplexes over the proposed DTH (direct -to-home) premiere of Vishwaroopam reached? We have booked theatres in the South, but a section there is still opposed to it. In Mumbai, PVR was supportive enough initially but suddenly, they backed out. Subsequently, I tried convincing them but they have not relented.

Is DTH just a way to play safe in a low satellite market? No. Let me tell you that unlike in Mumbai, satellite rights have risen in Tamil Nadu. I had my regular takers with substantial money but profits would have been meagre. DTH ensures greater profit. Some exhibitors claimed I am driven by greed but I prefer to call it 'opportunity'. Asked what I would do with the money, I said I would plough back in theatres. They are needlessly worried. Seeing a film in a theatre is a cultural habit in India, it will never go away.

How did Vishwaroopam shape up? PVP was supposed to produce Vishwaroopam but the canvas kept widening. They were kind enough to become the financers while I took over production. I got a cameraman who would work on digital cinema, an AD from the US, an art director from Vietnam, and stuntmen from Thailand and the US. It wasn't an easy film to make. We didn't shoot in Afghanistan since we were advised it would be unsafe. We thought of going to Kazakhstan but the people there were not film savvy. Eventually, we recreated Afghanistan in Chennai. Also, we dropped the idea of casting big stars like Sonakshi Sinha among others. We wanted the money to show in the film and not in its posters.

So you dropped her from the film? Everything was amicable. We explained it to her. Shatrughan is like an elder brother.

You did films like Saagar, Sadma, Sanam Teri Kasam... and then you left Mumbai... At the time of Saagar, I had done 109 films. Had I hung around here, I wouldn't have completed 215 till date.

Weren't you supposed to do a film with Barry Osborne? That will happen but after I complete Vishwaroopam 2. I've even completed ten days shooting for it. Osborne is also helping me premiere Vishwaroopam in Los Angeles.

Tell us about your daughters Shruti and Akshara. Shruti is travelling more than I ever did. She has become very busy. However, her Ek Duuje Ke Liye is yet to come. Akshara is learning how to dance. They stay with their mother (Sarika).

Are you in touch with Sarika and Vani? No. The parting wasn't smooth in either case. I was too much in love for an amicable settlement. I am sure it wasn't easy for my wives either. Marriage is not a film you can forget if it flops. I felt scarred.

Did you see the break-ups coming? I saw them coming. Sarika and I were married for 17 years. And I knew the marriage wouldn't last 12 years before we parted ways. Although we kept pulling on. I thought it would affect the children. I waited for them to come of age.

Both your marriages didn't succeed. Do you think you should've married at all? I never believed in marriage. People marry because of peer pressure but I don't subscribe to the 'herd mentality'. I shouldn't have married. I married for the convenience of my women. Vani wouldn't live-in and I wasn't strong enough to put my foot down. And the society was such that Sarika and I couldn't book a hotel room together even after we had two daughters.

Didn't Gouthami pressure you to marry her? Never. She is very different. She is a very progressive lady, and not just to please me.

vikatan
21st December 2012, 01:50 PM
Hi P_R

You mentioned that ..."And from what precious little I have watched of Dilip Kumar it sounds a tad effusive"

It could be one great method actor saluting the other.

Dilip Kumar, was the original method actor at-least as far as Mainstream Bollywood cinema is concerned.
(with apologies to Balraj Sahni fans)

Dilip Saab’s attention to detail and the conscious effort he took to ‘get into’ a character…are legendary.
For example..it is said that he spent several weeks to actually learn and ride a Tonga, so that he did not need ‘Doops’ even for action scenes..
And it is also said that he had to take psychiatric consultation…and remained in depression for about 6 months after shooting for the ‘Devdas’.

Perhaps Kamal sees a lot of the great Sivaji Ganesan in Dilip Kumar…
Consider this… Dilip Saab came into the industry as a virtual unknown (without any godfather)
And soon became a trend setter of sorts, with his Urdu Aadab, great dialogue delivery and some fabulous acting.
His movies had some immortal music by the great team of ‘Naushad Ali, Mohd. Rafi & Shakeel Badayuni’. (Like Kannadasan, TMS and MSV for NT)
And Dilip Kumar was a major influence to great actors of his generation and the next…. See the similarity ?
He was the Nadigar Thilak...if you could call him...that

vikatan
21st December 2012, 01:51 PM
BTW...the Tonga practice was for 'Naya Daur'