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Plum,
Kind of liked your matured post...But yeah I have some arguements against some points in your post, which If I write may lead to unwarranted 'Ghoshti' Thagaraaru :twisted:
Well Finally you have summed it up right... these 3 composers will be seen as the Trinity of Tamil Film Music down the line, and Raaja will be the Thyagaraja swamigal of them :wink:
RS, it is not so much maturity but a kind of inner feeling that I have understood Him(IR). I might be wrong but I dont feel that anguish anymore - I went through that phase of agony and irritation at his lack of recognition but I am at peace now with respect to him. It is like I know he is great, I know(rather than feel) that he will be remembered for centuries.
Yes, I agree that he will be the Thyagaraja of the trinity. Shaking strings in the heart. In many ways, one can say MSV is technically very accomplished and was the one to establish the pattern of light music - which is recognised in his title Mellisai Mannar but IR has that special something where he can simply touch emotions.
But try thinking of him as (only) one of Bach, Beethoven or Mozart :-). I am not at all able to choose here :-).
One important point about being remembered for posterity - is that quality of recording et al will not matter. We dont know how Mozart showcased his symphonies. We have the notes however and thats what has captured his legacy. In this, I wish there was a way for IR to retian his scoresheets, digitalize them or something and nationalize them. Discounting the fact that this will lead to TV serial makers making free use, it ensures that his genius is available for future generations. I am sure that 100 yeras hence, someone who accidentally comes across these notes in a legacy library will exclaim "holy God, I have a treasure trove here" and rediscovers IR for the next century. In a very very greedy, soupy, syrupy way, I wish I am reborn as that person. Though I suppose Rajasaranam has the best claim to that position - only he may not believe in rebirths - so yeah I should recognise that I dont deserve to be that person. :-)
Well, maybe, this nationalising can be done a couple of decades down the line just like with Bharathiyar's works were in 1950. I hope his descendants are prosperous enough not to hold on to his copyright.
IR's progeny has atleast this much of duty towards the nation and the nation's musical legacy.
This works in classical music where every part is written down by the composer. But it won't work in our case. Even for carnatic krithis, there are many for which only the lyrics have been preserved, and contemporary singers give their own renditions (sometimes completely not knowing how the original was sung, esp. older songs like Purandaradasa's). IR's film classics will fall into this category, as he often describes parts to musicians verbally (esp. percussions), possibly with the exception of HeyRam, Guru etc. It might be a different story in case of works like HTNI, NBW or TiS - and IR must do more of those.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
Ananth, exactly. That is why I am thinking we need to do two things:
1) The ones with scoresheet already like TiS, HTNI , Hey Ram, the scoresheets need to be preserved
2) We need to identify other classics and get a scoresheet done for them. Who can do it? VS Narasimhan? Raja himself? Or maybe Karthik Raja, who certainly owes it to his father? No idea how this can be made to work as it involves help from the Raja family.
The works of Bach have been catalogued systematically, using a system called "BWV" or Bach-Werke-Verzeichnis (Bach Works Catalogue) . For instance, the famous bourree used by IR in HTNI is BWV996 and the Violin partita in HTNI (hamsadwani) is BWV1006. Maybe IR's works could also be catalogued like that.
http://www.jsbach.org/index.html
Judging by the foresight / commitment to posterity shown by the people in the industry, I think it would be up to us fans to do anything about it.
To me IR == MSV Version 2.0. Just decrease the ICM content in a MSV song and increase the WCM content to get an IR version.
Yeah, like Sugarcane = Old MonkQuote:
Originally Posted by kiru
Completely disagree!
yenpa, IR-ARR tholla poraadhu'nnu idhu veraya??Quote:
Originally Posted by kiru
http://dailypioneer.com/152164/Slumd...ng-Hindus.html
Good lines from above article:
Those Indian musicians who haven’t got the Golden
Globe are not worthy of honour at home just as Sahitya Akademi award winners are not worthy of finding space on our bookshelves, leave alone feature on news pages or news bulletins.
The larger point is not really about going gaga over an American award or a British prize, but how they are seen as India being admitted into the charmed circle whose membership is strictly controlled and is by invitation only. That invitation invariably follows a certain pattern;
it’s not merely the keepers of the gate chanting, “Eeny meeny miny mo,catch a tiger by his toe, if he hollers let him go…” Apart from the fact that the ‘tigers’ in this case are not hollering but salivating at the prospect of seeing themselves clutching a handful of trophies
on Oscar night, the nomination process is far more rigorous than we would think, with filters to keep out those films and books that do not serve the judges’ purpose or pander to their fanciful notions — in
this case, of India.
raja_fan
Romba try panreenga pola :lol2: