agreed
go ahead SP
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agreed
go ahead SP
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oru vaarathukku Indha serialil varum oru viLakathai eduthukondu, atharkku negating and agreeing response veikkalaam.
Even if 3 to 5 people vote, we can switch over to another topic , consecutive week.
As we say that Karma is nothing but our action. So the good things, hardships that we face in this birth are the result of the Karma of our last birth.
But, in some cases, whatever bad things that an X does are passed on to his children and his children suffer a lot. Whats your (anyone here, SP, Anbu sir, Aana) call on this?
VR,
I know one cult of thought where they share the idea, that,
....the soul with its vaasanas, desires and imprints, after it forgoes the body gets merged in the grand children or anyone with SIMILAR ideas and thoughts. That is why we find, the children or grandchildren fulfilling grand parent's wishes.
i.e. that is why they also say,
"avanga sagalai, unga (dash dash) vadivla nammaloda thaan irukaanga" etc.
i.e Jivatmas which bear similar nature, or has similar desires or vaasanas to a major extent, unites together to achieve their goal.
In many cases soul attaches itself to the grandchildren or its own progenies, very rare cases it unites with similar other souls of NO GENETIC connection.
i.e. to some xyz who has similar nature or thoguhts or desires.
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Some others explain, that, when the child is formed in the womb, some of the imprints or cluster of our karmic desires of parents, pass on to the children (thus we suffer or benefit because of our forefathers)
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That's a Great piece of information.... 1st time i'm hearing this akka. Thank you so much. :ty:
I'll quote one instance which may better explain what exactly I'm asking.
X gets married to a girl. He tortures her physically, mentally. He doesn't give her the peace. He (when she is alive) has contacts various other girls/ladies and starts a life with another girl leaving his first wife in hardship.
Now the son of X (born to first wife) gets married and just in a span of few years the son gets divorced. This son is very genuine in his char. But the girl he got married to is worst in char, not being sincere to him. Assume that X is still alive and leading a life with the 2nd wife.
So where exactly the "Karma" factor comes plays its trick in this instance? Why does the son suffer even though he hasn't done anything wrong?
vr,
regarding the cult of thought which says 'souls of which has same nature and goal, merge together'
I have no complete knowledge to pass some theory as yes or say no to some theory. I am still learning and contemplating. So, thats just an info I shared. I aint vouching it :|
Karma does not start with X, vr.Quote:
Originally Posted by viraajan
That would have been karmas of their families passed for thro genes for ages unknown.
So, the son is suffering because of some genetic connection, for which probably, HE is rightfully the sinner from ages unknown. It is believed every thought and action would have a reaction.
So, he (x's son) alone is responsible. Karmic imprints of this suffering must have been passed to him, who is the rightful bearer.
Akka, thanks for sharing it :) :)
You say you are still learning... But i'm saying that just now i've started learning :oops: So every piece of information is valuable to me :yes:
Viraajan,Quote:
As we say that Karma is nothing but our action. So the good things, hardships that we face in this birth are the result of the Karma of our last birth.
But, in some cases, whatever bad things that an X does are passed on to his children and his children suffer a lot. Whats your (anyone here, SP, Anbu sir, Aana) call on this?
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That's a Great piece of information.... 1st time i'm hearing this akka. Thank you so much.
I'll quote one instance which may better explain what exactly I'm asking. X gets married to a girl. He tortures her physically, mentally. He doesn't give her the peace. He (when she is alive) has contacts various other girls/ladies and starts a life with another girl leaving his first wife in hardship.
Now the son of X (born to first wife) gets married and just in a span of few
years the son gets divorced. This son is very genuine in his char. But the girl he got married to is worst in char, not being sincere to him. Assume that X is still alive and leading a life with the 2nd wife.
So where exactly the "Karma" factor comes plays its trick in this instance? Why does the son suffer even though he hasn't done anything wrong?
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The following is how I think of it and might have little bearing with what is traditionally accepted as how things work. I tend to use a lot of 'vocabulary' that makes up my reality about these issues, so please bear with me if you wish to go through this.
The Universe is a place of Free Choice. That was the whole point of Creation. The Creator need not have created (or equivalently have become the Creation) if He/She didn't wish to give Creation ( His/Her parts - the Jivaatmans - Individuations ) Free Will.
It would have been really stupid on the Creators part if He/She wished to create His own Individuations, and then put rules for them to be 'forced' to be attached to other Individuations.
I wholeheartedly believe there is absolutely nothing that is happening with us that we have not asked for (by thought, word or deed -- in other words, Karma) at some level. By this 'level', I mean the subconscious, the conscious, or the superconscious levels of awareness. One may indeed raise the issues - " Did the person who is being murdered by a killer ask for such a death to happen to him/her?" I believe the answer is yes, although it is not apparent to any of us why one may have 'chosen' such a death, I believe nothing is experienced by the Jivaatman which is not in its line of spiritual development.
So the answer to your question is simple. The Individuation (Jivaatman) that called itself Person X wished to experience being a torturer, a traitor to his wife, a womaniser. The Individuation that called itself " Wife of Person X" wished to experience being tortured, being betrayed. Similarly the Individuations that called itself as "Son of X" and the "wifes of X" wished to experience what they experienced. Because of the complementary desires of these Individuations, they decided to journey together in the physical realm as long as their desires are fulfilled satisfactorily, and then they pass along.
Again I would like to stress: when I mean "wished to experience", this does not necessarily happen at the level of conscious awareness, ie the conscious mind. It happens at a far more subtler level. The souls of these people themselves seek to address their own spiritual evolution in this manner. It is only the awakened person that is able to see the perfection of the system, the myriad beautiful ways in which Free Will plays itself out and also is able to actually consciously create His/Her own experience because to Him/Her there is absolutely no difference between Subconscious/Conscious/Superconscious states of Awareness (aka God and the Soul are One).
Although it sounds sadistic, it is in no way meant so. There is great pain in the process of evolution, as we know, Nature evolves itself through several several mistakes. So many species have sprung and fallen before Nature has become the beauty she is today, and all of them, however dangerous or fierce, were beautiful in the same way that the ones survived are beautiful today.
Love and Light
Thanks Anbu Kathir for your explanation.
I understand some of your points.
You've mentioned that X or his wife or his son wished to experience the hardships. So this happens in subconscious level. Am I right?
Now my question is,
When exactly the wish blossoms?
Will the person be in the same subconscious level till the end?