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When you people talk of IR's jazz, I have to add this. Listen to the bgm in some inane fight sequence from the mother of all stupid movies "Naan potta savaal" [ a Rajini flop flick that has stupendous songs like "sugam sugame", "mayakkamaa oru kalakkkamaa", "nenjae un aasai enna" ] . It has some uninterrupted 15 to 20 minutes of jazz during that fight and I felt like listening to some JohnColtrane's locomotion or something like tat.
Dont know if this link has been posted earlier:
http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanhe...5182006930.asp
thanks,
Krishnan
RS, yeah, thats the problem. Websites and tabloids have to fill space - so they try to create hype out of nothing. Firstly, 36 songs in a single movie itself wouldnt be a record, as pointed out by many here - I remember many DD Sunday movies from the 40's and 50's used to have a song every 3 minutes and a severely cut version used to go on for atleast 2.5 hrs - on top of it, it is 9 songs per langauge and we dont even know that songs will not be remade from one version to another - like Chandramukhi was made in tamil and telugu simultaneously, and can you say there were 12 songs composed for Chandramuhi?
I dont think there will be 9 different tunes in each language in this case also.
Finally, even if there are 36 different tunes, whats the big deal? IR used to work for 40-50 movies in mid-80's and I presume there must have been days where he scored more than 8-10 tunes in a single day in that period, though maybe for different movies. How is this different from that?
I dont understand this hype about 36 songs in a movie, or 10 roles in a movie etc. We have had many actors who work on several movies simultaneously and perform different roles in each of these - so effectively they are performing 4-5 different roles simultaneously. So why should we go ga-g about someone doing 10 roles in a move when the reality is that the 10 roles will be shot one after the another in sequence not simultaneously - so how different is it from the actor working in 10 movies in succession?
Hype-ku oru alave illaipa!
It looks like kamal is doing 30 roles in Dasavatharam (10 in tamil, 10 in telugu and 10 in hindi) :lol:
Folks,
I still cant get over the 'Dheemi-Dheemi' effect!
And I still cant believe that the northies were not bothered to value a gem of a song.
Dheemi-dheemi is such a masterpiece that will never bother a bunch of people who are fed absolute nonsense from Himesh Reshamiyya or pritam.the bass guitar in the song itself deserves an award
I think U havent heard SONIYA DIL SE.. & thats enough to banner HR :DQuote:
Originally Posted by rajaalltheway
R U posting out of vayitherichal ?
U worship Ur composer but dont defame another guy who is doing really well now :evil:
Give the devil its due mannnn
HR is the star composer of Bollywood now .
Ok. Why dont u compose a song in Hindi ?
Ada pera maathitaangappa. "Pathittru Pathu" ... Sorry "Pathitru Muppathu"Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanjeevi
Nakeerare,Quote:
Originally Posted by Nakeeran
Oru thadava sivan erichathu pathaatha? Innoruthadava karuganuma?
HM is the top now. Will he be for another 3 months? I doubt.
It is probably not out of vayitherichal but headache after listening to same songs again and again (i mean different songs from different moveis but same tunes)
Namma makkalukky adimai thanam innum pogala. Whats tehre in Hindi that we dont have in Tamil. I would say Tamil has MSV, IR and ARR. What do they have? Dont say that they have Salil, RDB, SDB etc. They are all from Bengal!Quote:
Originally Posted by Nakeeran
Doesn't matter where they're from. The fact is they composed in Hindi. They also have Naushad, Kalyanji Anandji, Shankar-Jaikishen.
Ur question is ridiculous. Can I ask u now why u are in overseas now when u have everything in India itself :twisted:Quote:
Originally Posted by njv
Add LP, Naushad , Shankar Jaikishen also no. :lol: Well , look at the language . It doent matter from they originate .
Neither Hindi nor Tamil is superior / inferior . For that matter no language is superior .
FYI, even IR draws inspiration from many NI composers only :wink:
[quote="njv
HM is the top now. Will he be for another 3 months? I doubt.
It is probably not out of vayitherichal but headache after listening to same songs again and again (i mean different songs from different moveis but same tunes)[/quote]
Look. Today's music is like a gailstorm . It comes & goes away quickly . And noone can stay forever. Probably one can sustain for a decent period. HR had already proved his worth & he is here to stay
Dismissing him that he will not stay beyond 3 months is a typical reaction from a hardcore IR worshipper who seldom wants to recognize talents from other composers :evil:
Vamsi-IR New film nearing Completion.
They are sure to rock again since the movie plot outline seems to be a thriller as the forest as Backdrop. Who can forget the eery scores of Anveshana. :)
http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/t...cle/26581.html
I dont care for the songs in this movie I want those spine chilling Musical BGM's of Raaja like he did for December pookal, 100vathu naal, 24 mani neram, and many more such movies in the 80's. The whole thriller genre of movies got lost in the 90's and 2000's. Hope this movie is a treat to us :thumbsup:
Nakeeran,
Thanks for the Info Himesh is Highly Talented and is here to stay for many more years. Hope your ears don't get punctured listening to him for that long :P
Good. If U wish to remain ignorant about Hindi music & be a well frog , SO BE IT . :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by rajasaranam
Good to know its Hindi Mujik I was thinking it was something else :rotfl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nakeeran
>>>>>
FYI, even IR draws inspiration from many NI composers only Wink
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Oh...this is a revelation !!! Pls educate us about the inspired numbers....I just know one song which Raja copied from anand-milind !! Pls give me more of those :-)
The following are the ones which IR has been inspired from
NI Music
O Kalai kuyilgale .. SJanaki ( Parthiban & Mohini) Pallavi is a sur shot inspiration of Original song in Hindi -Khoya Khoya Chand by Mohd.Rafi Music by SD Burman
Ore Naal Unai Than( Ilamai Oonjal adigiradhu) : The line oonjaladudhu has a strong influence of "Lag Jaa gale" By Madan Mohan
Inji Iduppazhaga : Old SD Burman Composition set in 2/4 tempo ( Ye dil deewana hai...)
If you hear IR's Compositions in 1978-81 the tabla & Dholak patterns have a very strong influence Or rather the same in songs Viz.,Devadhai oru Devadhai ( Pattakatthi bhairavan) Vasandha kala kolangal ( Thyagam) Vaanmegangale
(Pudhiya vaarpugal) to name a few.
IR Himself has said openly in many of the interviews that he has been inspired by many others.
The respect he had for S D Burman was seen in the RAJ TV SHOW this year.
"O Kalai kuyilgale .. SJanaki ( Parthiban & Mohini) Pallavi is a sur shot inspiration of Original song in Hindi -Khoya Khoya Chand by Mohd.Rafi Music by SD Burman"
yes it does look like an inspiration - just that line
"Ore Naal Unai Than( Ilamai Oonjal adigiradhu) : The line oonjaladudhu has a strong influence of "Lag Jaa gale" By Madan Mohan"
that is no inspiration - not even an influence, i would call that a freakish coincidence thats it!
"Inji Iduppazhaga : Old SD Burman Composition set in 2/4 tempo ( Ye dil deewana hai...)"
well - let me put it this way - it was an inspiration as REQUESTED/INSISTED by Kamal, though IR had composed several tunes for the same sequence/situation! and THIS information that it is an inspiration came out ONLY after Kamal said that in an interview! had he not done so, would you/we have known? that itself is a tribute to IR's unparalleled genius!
let us say, we have an informal workshop on "music composition:theory and practice" and IR were to be our chief guest - if he were to be asked, then he would probably start with the first song ever composed for an Indian movie and how the same was used/ resued by every other composer even without their own knowledge of having done so! SUCH IS IR's indepth understanding of the essence of everything that is musical! that is also his trade secret - just like how a magician uses different tricks (btw, watch Christopher Nolan's stunning "The Prestige" featuring Christian Bale and Hugh Jackman and "The Illusionist" featuring Ed Norton with a grand 'illusionist' score by Philip Glass) and everything even the music we listen is magical versions of the same stuff! how deftly and cleverly the magician uses it makes up for creativity!
"If you hear IR's Compositions in 1978-81 the tabla & Dholak patterns have a very strong influence Or rather the same in songs Viz.,Devadhai oru Devadhai ( Pattakatthi bhairavan) Vasandha kala kolangal ( Thyagam) Vaanmegangale
(Pudhiya vaarpugal) to name a few."
maybe, but using a style of tabla/dolak does not for blatant plagiarism, not even inspiration - i would call it adaptation! just like how the percussion was used in "isaiyyil thondagudhamma" in Hey Ram and "Naan sirithhaal" in Nayagan!
My 2 cents :)
I have been a strong favorite of IR for decades now. I also like RDB , SDB songs from Hindi. And of course who will not like the great Shankar-Jaikishen combo of the 60s. Their music is just fabulous and evergreen,
Two weeks ago, I just wanted to come out of my parochialism (trying music of other Hindi music directors).
So I first selected OP Nayyar. His songs from aar Paar, Naya Daur, Mere sanam etc pretty much captivated me so much that I am totally hooked on to his music now.
I can say that his melodies are so light - with almost no instruments , although, the melody is still there. His songs are very haunting too (please listen to his songs from musicindiaonline if u havent ).
I am very happy to have listened to his songs, it is just satisfaction u know. i am yet to try out songs from Ravi, Chitra gupta, Roshan, Madan Mohan, Naushad etc......
Just disregarding Hindi music is like being a big frog in a small pond - is what I feel :) It is not to offend anybody - but what we get being a little open-minded, is cornucopia of musical joy :)
in my previous post, please replace fan for favorite, although, I would like to be a favorite of IR.
Unfortunately, I have no talent to impress him :)
Vem - I second your thoughts! it is not our fault that we grew up listening to IR and not IR's fault that his music has strongly influenced and filled us up! and I dont see any need for us to be APOLOGETIC about liking IR's music! that is the way it is!
of all the composers you have mentioned, Madan Mohan is unique! "Naina Barse Rim Jhim" from "Woh Kaun Thi" is a well- known example of sheer haunting beauty - even in his most lackadaisical moods ("Har Koi Chahta Hai Ek Mutthi Aasman" from "Ek Mutthi Aasman" is an example in this context), he WOULD NEVER stray away from melody - and IMHO some1 of his calibre WOULD HAVE NEVER survived in the present day Hindi film industry! but all said and done, there are some guys like Sanjay Leela Bhansali trying to do honestly contribute - Shreya Goshal was recommended by Bhansali and Goshal is an amazing find!
OP Nayyar was another of those musical eccentricities! major no of his compositions would have this "tuk tak, tuk tak" rhythm of 'horse hoofs' like sounds! he almost had a musical 'fetish' for that rhythm! but a great composer nevertheless!
http://www.mid-day.com/hitlist/2006/april/135240.htm
"Ilaiyaraaja to direct musical" !!
Just one point that makes me wonder is that this guy OP Nayyar had no prior training in music before he became a music director.
U wont believe me - I have been listening to his "Jaayiye" and "Pukaarta" songs from the movie mere sanam...... continously for the past 2 days. What melody it is.
Ooops - It is IR albums page I know. I will stop my ramblins on this guy.
Thanks for ur songs of Madanmohan.... He will be my target next. IR has mentioned his name so many times whenever he was asked about his favorites :)
Similarly my another favorite album is Anurag from SD Burmanda...... Just amazing songs. But let us not forget all Yesudoss songs from Raveendra jain :)
Thats it.
I shall emerge from hibernation when IR releases his next musical album ; unfortunately Naan kadavul has been stopeed due to the loss of Vallavan (Thenapan has no more funds :))
dig: vem, if you are into OP Nayyar dont miss his combo with Asha. Apart from jaayiye, listen to "Aayiye meherbaan"(from Howrah Bridge and a very popular classic)"ankhon se jo uthri"(I think from Phir wohi dil laaya hun), "chain se hum ko kabhi"(for which she got an award at that time),songs from Kashmir ki kali - at the very least. As for Madan Mohan he is in a different league altogether. It will be a bigger list with his favourite singer Lata. Old HFM rules.
Yes, I listened to these songs :) thanks.
What do u say about Chal akela from Sambandh - Mukesh's voice puts us to sleep :)
what is amazing is that, overall every composer then was giving out his best in terms of melody! but thanks much to the advent of 'angry young man of the late 70s' (where the star took the centerstage) and the overcrowding of Bollywood by star families (the Kapoors)and hopeless scripts, the decline of quality was quite rapid - ARR's ROJA was definitely a refreshing change (since 1992)for Bollywood!
it is just the bad luck of bollywood that IR's most creative years were focussed outside bollywood!
the 2/4 composition you are referring from SDB is from Razia SultanQuote:
Originally Posted by jagannn2210
jaiganes - RAZIA SULTAN has Khaiyaam as the MD not SDB!
btw, guys, DONT MISS OUT ON "Aaj Mile Man Ke Meet" sung by Manna Dey (another great singer - in fact Ajoy Chakraborty sounds a lot like Manna Dey!) and composed by Madan Mohan for the movie Nawab Sirazuddaula (1967) - it is an stunner! i think based on RaaG DESH!
How I wish IR does a full-fledged Hindustani album with Ajoy!
listen to that song and then listen to "mandhiram idhu" by KJY , composer IR from AVARAMPOO - both are based on Raag Desh, one in Hindustani style, the other Carnatic style! they both ROCK bigtime in their own ways
http://www.musicindiaonline.com/musi..._director.501/
forgive me - I think it sounds more like "Raag sindhubhairavi" than Desh - with similarities to doordharsan's "mile sur mera thumharaa"!!
Raja's "Ajantha" audio will be released on Dec 2nd :D , in Madurai - As told by IR himself
Source: 07Nov06 Dhinathandhi
Yes there will be grand function in Madurai and a new trust will be formed under IR name and it will give awards for literature people for every year.Quote:
Originally Posted by vigneshram
i think mayakannadi is November/december release. cheran told this in jaya TV interview. so audio will release soon.
The movie 'DesiyaParavai' to be released on 10th of this month. I called up the producer to get a CD of the album since I was not able to get it in the market. He asked me to come over to his office and presented a CD Saying that they are not releasing it to the market and printed only 1000 Cd's to be given away as complimentary copies. I was ovewhelmed and thanked him a lot and came back to listen to the songs of the Film. The CD was also not in regular format and all six songs were in mp3 format @128kbps :shock: When i inserted the CD i saw the title alongside each song as 'Naanum oru indian' . Since this title struck a chord inside somewhere I searched for the database in rakkamma and came up with this:
http://www.rakkamma.com/filmsongs.phtml?filmid=580
I was surprised that the track listing for this movie and the CD I was holding were ditto.
Image of the CD:
http://img44.imagevenue.com/img.php?..._122_528lo.jpg
Anyway whether its DesiyaParavai/NaanumOruIndian here is my take on the album.
Most of the songs are usual raaja stuff While A Soft duet title 'Enkathalan' sing by bhava and unnikrishnan Took me by surprise. It was one of best songs that i have heard off late with good orchestrations and the overlapping voices of the singer. The song Chengalpattu chinna paapa had a very bad start while it took off to totally another plane in the interludes and the tune. The interludes were sheer magic of IR trying something innovatively with human voices and little of musical instruments. And well he has done some more experiments in two more songs Chinna chinna sung by himself based on Qawwalli style. Another song titled yemarathe based on Carantic music but song for fun situation reminded me of an old song 'Jambulingamae jadathara' .
Overall the whole album was worth it for the one song 'En kaadhala' it sheer IR magic. I wonder how come Raaja is trying to do something innovative as this for such an obscure movie without any major starcast or banner :?
D/l the songs from here and post your views:
http://rapidshare.com/files/2344588/DesiyaParavai.rar
The Song 'En Kaathalan' is in repeat mode here in my system. It is sowly engulfing me into the ocean of mystical music. 'Oru kanam un nizhalilae....Vaazhnthaalum Pothum' It is like honey being poured into my ears. Iam feeling hazy as if Iam drunk slightly. Thinking that this stuff was composed almost ten years back and sounding so fresh even today. How come this Man alone can compose music that transcends the realm of Space-time is still bewildering me :)
RS,
You are awesome!
Thanks for the treat..
halloween time.. no tricks.. only treats!