R.Latha, is there a link which confirms the news? Shahrukh khan and IR together...I really doubt. Or did you confuse with the movie titled "SRK" for which IR and Gulzar are working together?
thanks,
Krishnan
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R.Latha, is there a link which confirms the news? Shahrukh khan and IR together...I really doubt. Or did you confuse with the movie titled "SRK" for which IR and Gulzar are working together?
thanks,
Krishnan
krish244,
Yes. Latha would have read "IR scoring for SRK" :)
http://www.hindu.com/mp/2009/03/25/s...2550340100.htm
“Raga Symphony” in a way harks back to what Ilaiyaraja did years ago – the two symphonies “How To Name It” and “Nothing But Wind” and the more recent “Tiruvazhagam”. Ilaiyaraja fused Western classical with Carnatic classical, using compositions of Thyagaraja and 8th century Tamil poetry. Shaarang Dev does it with khyal music in the tradition of the 150-year-old Mewati gharana.
Raja_fan
interesting bit. Thanks for that.
I listened to 'Raga Symphony' and it is a good album, in its own right. But i dont think it harks back to HTNI, NBW o Thirvasakam. Probably the 'intent' - to mix the two genres, traces back to those albums, but not the content. Shaarang Dev did a good work no doubt, but the way the fusion has been presented is not in the dimension of IR's albums, but different. Ofcourse i am not comparing. Fusion has been attempted by many composers. Pt.Ravi Shankar did it. IR did it. More recently, i was fortunate to attend a concert of Ustad Amjad Ali Khan with Scottish Chamber Orchestra and it was a mindboggling concert, which had wonderful fusion. Every fusion is unique in its own way and so was IR's. This album is a good album, no doubt, but the magnitude and direction of fusion choosen, is different from HTNI, NBW or TSI.
I read the article as well. What stuck me in the article was what lot of people have been saying in this forum: about the lack of musicians available to play instruments and that mostly everything is done electronically. That is what Shaarang Dev says in his interview. He had to take a lot of pain to get the musicians he wanted. Very sad indeed.
Nostalgia: Vintage Ilayaraja
In the rush of new movies and music, many gems are either lost or forgotten. No one can be blamed for this happening; it is just the way the world is, the old making way for the new. Here, we attempt to bring back to you memory some wonderful pieces of art, some of them worth the label of vintage classics which got lost in the madding crowd. You might not be able to instantly reconnect to the long forgotten number, but give it some time and the magic might begin to work again. Though the song has been reviewed, more importantly this is a look back at the fascinating way in which Tamil cinema evolved, with a touch of nostalgia. Hope you enjoy it.
This charming number from the movie Kavikkuyil starring Sivakumar and Sridevi is an evergreen Ilayaraja piece. The song cleverly uses both the top and bass flute notes to start and carry the song forward as the song itself centers on the Radha-Krishna imagery. The yearning search for the beloved by the man is accompanied by soft lyrics that touch upon a myriad dreams. The very opening salvo shows off the Rithigowla raga so well, when the flute goes' ni ni saa-;ni sa ga sa; ni-sa-ni;ga ma pa ma ga ri saa.' Then you have a gentle cascade of notes with the guitar, violin and what feels like santoor, adding to the 'dreamy' feel. what is special about the whole song itself is that the flute articulates each line at the beginning of the pallavi and the charanams.' sa ga ri ga ma ni ni saa ;ni dha ma paa; saa ni dha ma pa; ga ma pa ma pa ma pa ma pa ma ga ma pa ma ga ri sa nii' goes the flute. And Dr. Balamuralikrishna follows up with the words 'Chinna Kannan Azhaikkiraan; raadhayai, Poongodhaiyai, Aval manam konda ragasiya raagatthai paadi'--- in his delectable voice. It is the 'pa ma pa ma pa ma' repetition that adds a whole new dimension to the aesthetic appeal of this song. Just close your eyes and savor the emotion conveyed in the line 'kangal solginra kavidhai' which line starts at the top 'sa' note. Though Ilayaraja has stuck to traditional sangatis, he brings in a dramatic note two and a half minutes into the song where the flute wails 'ni ri ri sa---' .There is a sense of urgency now in calling out. Please note how the percussion sound (tabla mainly) is smooth and subdued right through the song which therefore preserves the mood of the whole piece so well!
Let us know if this helped you relive the magic of the beautiful composition or whether you discovered something hitherto unknown to you.
It doesn't sound like Shri.IR's orchestral works. :D
Sharangdev Pandit's Raga Symphony IS IMMENSELY REFRESHING WITH intense Indian classical ragas-melodies, not over powering percussion or disjoint or excessive orchestration(pouring music on a weaker melody) , nice usage of saraangi, sitar, vocal chorus, veena, violin drums, viola, khanjira, mirudhangam etc..., good vocal dhiranas ... Tracks length are rt and sufficient to indulge the beauty of the musicals.
This album, I relate to Sri Ganapathi Sachchidananda Swamiji's meditative musical cds like RAGA SAGARA, NADA HIMAYALAS , CELESTIAL MESSAGE etc..
I think we can call this kind of music as NEW AGE - fusion albums, with ethnic touch, vocals - aalaapana, swara rendering etc...
Rahman is doing already in films, remember Delhi -6.
An embrace of passion...RAGA - பாகேஸ்ரி my mind was longing, humming நிலவே என்னிடம் நெருங்காதே ....., நீ என்ன சொன்னாலும் கவிதை... ஸ்ரீ.விஸ்வநாதன் :thumbsup: Within time 0:01 - 0:51 is enchanting, masterpiece மாதா ராகா at composer's WILL ... nice rapid jathi
increase in usage of indian percussion, free flowing cool musical,
alternate dhirana/chorus..singing by vocalists, glamorous violin passages.
Raga LALIT (7:43) is a flute ecstasy with female alapana, chorus swara renderings, .... :musicsmile:
Mr.Anand, that's a wonderful post on early Ilayaraaja :musicsmile:
In Raga Symphony..there is a track in Rag Malkauns(carnatic - Hindolam)soulful Raaga aalaapana followed by emotive saarangi and poignant violin passage with a rhythm, soothing flute, vocal chorus smooth humming / dhiranas..... STUNNINGLY gorgeous 8:00min ....:swinghead:
I was running around Early IR's Naan thedum sevvandhippoovidhu... IR's aalaapana with scintillating violin, romantic flute, brisk jathi... the musical pours in speed...GOLDEN 80's Ilayaraaja...
நான் தேடும் செவ்வந்திப் பூவிது
ஒரு நாள் பார்த்து அந்தியில் பூத்தது.... :swinghead:
Film CHITCHOR has an enchanting MALKAUNS aalapana by Shri.Yesudas before the song Gori tera .... like Shri.IR's Sri devi en vaazhvil.... Aalapana.
Shri.Ilayaraaja's NOTHING BUT WIND - TRACK...Composer's Breath..(16 mins) in Rag Malkauns's Hariprasad Churasia's flute is breezy. after 9:30 , Ilayaaraja's bell kind of sound orchestration (until10:40) spoils the listening sugam/சுகம் , irritates me(though I love his prelude bell sounds to entice our mood inஆத்தாடி பாவடை...poovilangu) ... I find that 1.5 min musical chunk சம்பந்தமேயில்லாம insipid musical insert suddenly :roll: thus IR didn't guard the mood he brought for me while showing his virtuosity. Aesthetics of music lost...என்னவோ, என்ன fusion இது Shri. Ilayaraaja? :roll: not to mention initial மெலடி (before 9:30) also very same நான் தேடும் செவ்வந்திப்பூ ...tune.
I liked the album... Raga symphony is different kind of fusion music.
Mood was preserved smoothly.
Sharangdev Pandit's Raga Symphony - STUNNINGLY SOULFUL album . :)
vinatha. :musicsmile:
vinatha, great review I guess. Is this CD available for sale online ?
BTW, IR has come a long way from NBW, HTNI. Maybe you should compare with TIS. Also, IR's fusion approach I think is different. He probably approaches the composition from the Western classical end. His understanding is, the orchestra should be used fully and all sections at the same time (symphony) if possible. Raagas are just a tool for him to write the notes for the whole composition. Maybe I am wrong, but this is the impression I get. I have not seen other indian MDs do this level of 'polyphony'. The music is going to be complex and not easy on the Indian ear. There are so many preludes to songs which extended for a long time will 'exhaust' the indian audience. There will 2 or 3 threads of music playing vigorously against each other and come/align together at the end of a 30-40 secs. This is how a full IR composition is going to be but ofcourse with not just some 'tension' but also some 'relief' as well. Again, all my conjecture.
Let him think polyphony orchestration, Kiru.
But I don't find the brilliant / magnificent Ilayaraaja always shines as put together, churning out variety of stunning orchestral pieces still preserve the intended mood/emotions in that track. That bell orchestration in COMPOSER'S BREATH is not tasteful for my ears. It is tacky.
Pay attention to the grand third lude of hindolam...Sri Devi en vaazhvil.../ interludes of ila nenjey vaa...vanna vanna pookkal- percussion /second interlude of chinnakkannan azhaikiran.../short enticing prelude of sorgaththin vaasapadi.... / gorgeous strings prelude of nilavondru kanden....kai rasikkaran - early years.
The above mentioned film songs are better fusion in terms of aesthetics and technicalities.
இது ஒரு நிலா காலம்......டிக் டிக் டிக் ...
FUSION at the BEST.. 80s Ilayaraaja glory! :musicsmile:
Some of the above compositions , IR has done even earlier than NBW.
So I am not accepting the argument, he has come a long way...:)
Regarding CD.
AMAZON.
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_m?...mphony&x=0&y=0
Please suggest for the Library collection. They will bring too.
Label is TIMES.. you can request the local Indian music stores to bring.
vinatha. :)
"THE WORLD OF MUSIC" journal reviews Ilaiyaraaja's "THIRUVASAGAM - A CLASSICAL CROSSOVER" -
http://www.vwb-verlag.com/Katalog/m816.html
Reviewed by Hollie Longman
http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=c...4e75f6e8ebb871
article can be downloaded from there - it looks like an elite journal read by ethnomusicologists and scholars!
A Classic Treat from KB-Raja-Vaali-SPB
By Behindwoods Visitor Vijay
The views expressed in this column is that of the visitor. Behindwoods.com doesn't hold responsible for its content.
Let us deal with a masterpiece composition from the (Keladi Kanmani Paadagan Sangathi - Puthu Puthu Arthangal) K.Balachander - Ilayaraja - Vaali - SPB factory. What is so special about this song to write on? It is the situation. A duet or a peppy or even a pathos won’t do justice for this kind of situation. First let us see the situation before going into the song.
Situation:
Absolutely frustrated in life, Rahman goes on a journey
Ilayaraja
without knowing the destination. On the way he gets introduced to Sithara A nice relationship blossoms between them which makes Rahman very happy especially when he is yearning for a person with whom he can share his past life burdens.
At this type of scenario a song should perfectly suit Rahman’s state of mind i.e. a blend of his present happiness and the past bitterness. As said already it can be neither duet nor pathos. See Raja’s magic here, the song should have poignancy but at the same time it should not sound completely pathos like Oorai Therinchukitten or Raaja Enbaar Manithiri Enbaar and here we also need to mention Vaali’s lyrics which captures Rahman’s life in just two lines
The garland I proffered did not spread fragrance
But you are the jasmine who blossomed for me
And here comes the classic lines
A lasting burden rests with my heart
You are the Stonehenge I seek
My withering times are around your chest
You are the mother who lullabies me
Finally above all SPB's rendition makes the song as one in a million composition!.
http://www.behindwoods.com/features/...-12-03-09.html
Baroque,
I don't agree with your view that the NBW track does not maintain the intended mood. By the way what kind of mood or emotion are you expecting in a fusion track especially one done in the manner which IR has with an orchestra. Fusion by its word means you are fusing two genres so you are never going to get the full mood/emotion you would when a single genre of music is played completely. THe mood/emotion keeps swinging as an when the genre of music is changed as IR does so brilliantly. My emotions ride the same wave as the music does. There is no one intended mood when someone does a fusion. It starts with a particular mood keeps shifting as music genre keeps changing and ultimately comes back to end the way it started. THis is what IR's piece does. One has to keep going with the shifts and try to enjoy the piece rather than expecting to hear a particular mood or emotion throughout the composition. THis is simply not that type of a composition. you expect surprises in fusion. ultimately how everything is blended together is important and IR does it expertly with the orchestra and flute.
Movie song prelude or interludes are short duration and morever not the kind of fusion IR has done in his albums. Those are more instant gratification pieces, so should not be compared to an elaborarte work like NBW which is more complex.
One important point to note when listening to HTNI and NBW - many instrumental players have told the fact that IR asks them to play the 'western instrument' in an eastern way (guitar prasanna has remared this more than once in his blogs). However in both these albums he has let the western strings (not the single carnatic violin) and drums and guitars be what they are and played them so unlike the way he uses them in film music. Still he is able to prove his musical theories sufficiently well to a layman like me who is exploring music from its fringes or to an expert doing a deep dive in it.
rprasad.
I only stated the Hindolam track in NBW and highlighted the disturbance it causes for me in that 1:5 min musical chunk.
A fusion music can touch different genres, forms, styles still there will be a continuity , cohesive & soulful. Completely disparate elements come together to form a cohesive Soundscape.
As I was blissful with his flute passage, that particular musical - patch work orchestration - chunk irritates me. எனக்கு நல்லா இல்லை. I don't find it as put together fusion.
Nice you keep going with the shifts behind Ilayaraaja. IF IT APPEALS TO YOU, find it the greatest fusion, enjoy - GOOD FOR YOU!
DIGRESSION
Most of you fusion lovers know it... If you are familiar, You may revisit..
If you haven't heard of the album.. please check it out.
Dr. L.Subramaniam, Stephane Grappelli - conversations
http://www.amazon.com/gp/recsradio/r...k=001&disc=001
MEMORIES track is gold.
:ty: I found the you tube. :ty:
beautiful violin - jazz fusion. Very Gracious fusion.:musicsmile:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2n1MAfUTW8
I bought the cassette during early 90s for Rs 30 at MADRAS.
Artist: L. Subramaniam & Stephane Grapelli
Album: Conversations
Year: 1984
Label: Milestone
end
Shri. Ilayaraja is playing rama nannu brovara..... raga HARI KAMBHODHI....THYAGARAJA composition in violin as BGM :musicsmile: before the scene Rajini is coming in மாறு வேஷம் to பொண்ணு கேட்டு வைஷ்ணவி for his brother in the movie தர்ம துரை...in my dvd.
மாசி மாசம் ஆளானப் பொண்ணு :swinghead: EROTIC IR RULES FOREVER!
ENJOY..
vinatha. :wave:
Quote:
Originally Posted by baroque
I agree, i too felt the same. Many a time, i have fastforwarded that particular piece. For me atleast, this bell piece is the single flaw in the album. Musically and from the perspective of IR, it might not be, but somehow, for me, it is too hard on my ears.
ARR's interview in screen:
Do two background music trophies indicate that the background score is gaining more importance nowadays?
In the West, they are amazed that in Indian films the same person composes both the songs and the background score. But over here, whether it was Naushadsaab in Hindi films, Ilayaraja down here or most other composers, we have had this tradition almost as a culture.
http://www.screenindia.com/news/i-mi...lyrics/441299/
:) vinatha.
Digression:
Please check out the jazz album "Kinsmen" by Rudresh Mahanthappa and Kadri Gopalnath. It is awesome. It has received rave reviews in the US.
http://www.rudreshm.com/
Wf.
Thanks Vinatha for the link, I will order it soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by baroque
My point about IR having come a long way is not to justify the issue you have with NBW. It is after all your taste.
My point is about Raaga Symphony style of composition versus TIS. It is just my opinion (for whatever its worth) IR's WCM skills have continued to evolve and TIS is an epitome of that. IR though has in some private conversation has said that TIS is not his most complex in orchestration because he wanted to get it "right" rather than prove a point.
Thanks Vinatha for the link, I will order it soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by baroque
My point about IR having come a long way is not to justify the issue you have with NBW. It is after all your taste.
My point is about Raaga Symphony style of composition versus TIS. It is just my opinion (for whatever its worth) IR's WCM skills have continued to evolve and TIS is an epitome of that. IR though has in some private conversation has said that TIS is not his most complex in orchestration because he wanted to get it "right" rather than prove a point.
:) OK.
Tamil MDs meet before Thiruvasakam Launch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x__Lm...eature=related
It seems the movie is still under production :|
http://www.aspisdrift.com/2009/02/sa...ourney-to.html
http://www.hindu.com/fr/2009/04/10/s...1051210200.htm
Chaitanya is all set with his next venture “Suryakanthi”....
...while music is by Ilayaraja again. All the songs have been recorded and anyone who’s heard them is raving. “There’s one song which’s like a sixties Broadway musical. Shreya Goshal and Kunal Gunjawala who’ve sung the song say they’ve never heard anything like this in Indian film music,” says Chaitanya.
Saw the television advt of Karthik Anitha, a new movie. They used 'En kanmani En kadhali' song in this film (not as remix, exactly same)
Ilaiyaraaja -Talking with the Maestro-01
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soqEW...eature=related
First Song Composed By Raaja
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2-bY...eature=related
Shiva than & now
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tv8_hgiqlhA&NR=1
Inetk, this really raises my curiosity level! Good to know that the script had scope for this kind of a song. Hope the best.Quote:
Originally Posted by inetk
thanks,
Krishnan
Mathiya Chennai:
http://www.tamilcinema.com/CINENEWS/...ril/130409.asp
Bhagyadevata:
http://sify.com/movies/malayalam/ful...hp?id=14878654
For some people it's going to sound "outdated" anyway, with "incongruous rhythms" etc.. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by inetk
Mathiya Chennai press meet:
http://10.72.185.205/insertleaks.cgi..._blocks=397651
"Music Maestro Ilayaraja steps in with some tracks that reinvent Kollywood music"
thanks,
Krishnan
Quote:
"Music Maestro Ilayaraja steps in with some tracks that reinvent Kollywood music"
Ippadi Usupethi usupethiyae odamba ranagalam aakki vechu irukaangaiyya. :lol: Not that Raaja is not capable but intha media'va namba mudiyala :cry: [/quote]Quote:
Chaitanya is all set with his next venture “Suryakanthi”....
...while music is by Ilayaraja again. All the songs have been recorded and anyone who’s heard them is raving. “There’s one song which’s like a sixties Broadway musical. Shreya Goshal and Kunal Gunjawala who’ve sung the song say they’ve never heard anything like this in Indian film music,” says Chaitanya.
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Ippadi Usupethi usupethiyae odamba ranagalam aakki vechu irukaangaiyya. :lol: Not that Raaja is not capable but intha media'va namba mudiyala :cry:
But IR has lived up to the expectations in most of his recent albums.
IR has composed 5 tunes for Mathiya chennai:
http://entertainment.oneindia.in/tam...ie-140409.html
"Maestro Ilayaraja scores the music and recently he completed 5 tunes for the film"
Krishnan
Indha mathiya chennai, vadakku chennai...ithellaam velaikke aagaadhu..
veenaaga edhirppaarppai valarthukkolla vendaam ! :)
some stills i saw of this movie - nadu roattula group dance - thangalada saamy. Kadhai solradhu vera, padam edukkaradhu vera.Quote:
Originally Posted by raja_fan
Jaiganes, paarthutteengala?? :) I saw it as well. Did not want to post that link here and spoil the mood of others too :)
Krishnan
Saw a poster today "vizhiyiley" music by Ilayaraja. Looks different!!
@krish - mun echcharikkaya irukaradhu romba avasiyam - in these days.
Rahasya's kuthu pattu Mathiya Chennai:
http://sify.com/movies/tamil/fullstory.php?id=14880979