thiruvasakam in symphony

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Originally Posted by Shankar

irfansong,
Same here...to me, umbarkatkarasE is THE best...he choral chant is divine...and you can really feel it when Raja sings "empoRuttunnai chik ena pidithEn, engezhundu aruLuvadhiniyE"

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there are many other verses where IR has put in his soul deeply and sung
some of the lines which makes me melt are
'poi ayiyanavellam poyagala vantharuli..mei nyanmaagi milirgindra meisudarae...'
'sella nindra ithavara sangamathul... ella pirapum piranthilaithaen...'
'vilangu manathaal vimala unaku... kalantha anbaagi kasinthulurugum... ' listening to this we can really get into the ocean of love the way he renders 'kalantha anbaagi...' out of the world ....
and again at 'Karantha paal kannalodu.... nei kalanthar pola...' the way he renders this...no words to expalin...
we can be proud for being IR fans for no one else could have sung these lines with so much emotion and feelings in it :oops:

Every time i hear IR sing "Thaayir chirandha dhayaavaana thaththuvanaEE" with all the modulations that a human ear never expected, I feel that no one else could have sung this better.

rajasaranam,

one more: 'ammaye appa oppila maniye, anbinil vilaintha aaramudhe'. The music is also just great in this place.

A lot of people have been raising questions "why public subscriptions for sponsoring the project? why not personal pocket of iR ?" etc. Hope the following excerpt from his frontline interview answers these people:
"
Ilaiyaraaja took over again at this point): I started working on the project as early as 2000. When I approached big people for funds (I don't want to mention any name) many could not even understand the concept or its significance. They did not realise that it would get a place in history later. They saw it only as scoring music for some devotional songs and wondered why it should be so expensive. They did not respond. More than their refusal to participate, I was hurt by the way they approached the project. Generally I do not go for such help. About 10 years ago I undertook to construct the principal towers of the Siva temple at Thiruvannamalai and the Vaishnavite temple at Srirangam; I spent my own money for the projects. I did not collect money from others. I could have completed the Thiruvasagam project also without any financial assistance from others, but did not wish to do so. Because, when the project was conceived, I was reminded of a remark made by the late Kanchi Senior Acharya. He said that in the olden days, even if a king wanted to construct a temple tower, he would not do it with his own money, but collected funds from the people for the purpose. The idea was that there should be participation by the people. That was why I was keen that others should also join in this venture. Significantly, my fans have extended their help and Tamil Maiyam had taken their money only as loans to complete this project. Fr. Vincent Chinnadurai has been the key person in coordinating the entire work and I should thank him for this
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rajasaranam,jaiganes,rvenky,
I just loved the song fully...But the lines which moved me to tears were...
"nOkkariya nOkkE, nuNukkariya nuNNuarvE
pOkkum varavum, puNarvumillA puNNiyanE
en sindhanayyuL, oottrAna unnAr amudhE
udayAnE..."

If you notice, Raja *probably* wanted to stress these lines, and the portion - mAsatra sOthi slowly moves towards the crest ("mAsatra sOdhi..anudhE siva puranE" < "pAsamAm patraRuthu.."AriyanE" < pErAdhu...oLikkum OLiyAnE") till it reaches the above lines...

rajdes, IR explained the reason as to why he was collecting funds much earlier, when he visited US and spoke at different places. Apparently someone from the audience had raised this question and he gave this reply. I do hope he gets some corporate sponshorship in the future. And something gets done about his RPO symphony#1. I just cant believe that such a work would go unreleased.

You can listen to Vaiko speech on the "thiruvasagam" cd release function here

http://www.tamilnaatham.com/Speeches.htm

http://www.hindu.com/fr/2005/07/29/s...2902210200.htm

Singer Manjari interview...there's question about TbI...

makkaLE!
manRaadik kEtkiREn!
vaazhvikka vENdum enRu virimbinaal,
innum oru CD yaaraiyaavadhu vaanga vaiyungaL!
yellaa vgaiyilum ungaLaal aana udhavi seyyungaL!
innum oru 3000 CD viRRaalthaan namadhu kadanai adaikka mudiyum.
naamthaan nammkkau udhavi indha vELaiyil!
namadhu balam enna; naam yaar enbadhai ulagiRku puriya vaikka vENdiya nEram idhu!
If you all can individually push one more person to buy this CD, then I promise you that I will come out with the facts!
My loyalty lies with the people who came to our help to make this happen.
Once, I fulfill that committment, I will be free to talk to you openly!
Until then, i am tied!
Please help us!
Spread the word and make it happen!
I still have faith !
Pl. visit www.tis-usa.com and place your orders.

YIA!!

Here is my observations ( so far) on track #3 .

There are about 6 verses ( each about 4 lines ) in this song with the last one being the repeat of the first one.

The first verse starts very very melodiously .. I guess the opening is SudhaDhanyasi scale. . but then it gets a little different.. ( maybe i am wrong ( Can someone confirm if all the verses are set in the same scale.. I get a feeling that especially the IR sung verses sound different to me ).

Bavatharini has rendered this first one very well. Then IR picks up the second one with Bava singing the third.. Now for whatver reason ( I am sure there is a technical reason ) IR has sung all the remaining verses until the end.. I was expecting that they would alternate for all of the song.. ( i was guessing that the later verses had some really tough lyrics ( in terms of pronounciation i guess )..
I would like to know if there is any reasoning behind this.

Also the timing on the first 3 verses was right on the money.

Besides, the meaning of these verses are so beautiful.. I felt ashamed that I have never heard of this song until now.. Look how effectively Maanickavaasagar portrays the helplessness of man in the ways of God..

"naanaar en uLLamaar gnaangaLaar ennai aar aRivaar
vaanOr piraan ennai aaNdilanEl ?"

And to top it, IR has sung the verses so soulfully.. Now I can see why IR wanted to sing it himself..Besides these verses when you understand it leave you in tears man.. I mean it..

Also in the last but one verse, see how he skillfuly repeats "Aayapiran" to keep up the scale and it is done so well..

I just can't get over this song.. Believe me I still have not listed to the other tracks more than once.. I have heard many say that "Umbakatkarase .." is very good.. But i seem stuck in this song.


Also, a couple of lines, I was not able to understand the meaning.. if someone can help me there that would be great.. For ex, what does " Kunipudaiyaan " mean.. I know Maanickavasagar refers to Sivaperuman, but what is the exact meaning..

Guys, this track is fabulous.. I thought Polla Vinayen was worth all the efforts.. but now this seems like a treasure trove..,

More later

Cheers
MSK