Nadigar Thilagam Sivaji Ganesan

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Originally Posted by m_23_bayarea

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Originally Posted by S.Balaji

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Probably Rajini also realised this harsh fact very late ( but never ) and withdrew himself from launching a political party........
though I was one of those disappointed, I feel his decision was wise ultimately............

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Exactly ... I'm sure he did have political aspirations, otherwise why would he have talked abt all those things in his movies ... But then sooner or later, he just would have figured out it was not his thing, and backed off !!!! :oops: :cry: :oops:

Though I was worried at that time, now when I think abt it, he couldnt have been wiser than withdraw !!! :thumbsup:

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Let me also join in this dig.. :P

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I actually wanted Rajini to join with Congress during 1996 and contest. They would have definetly won in my opinion. A best chance Rajini missed. Probably TN too. After that he did not had any chance later.
Atleast rajini would have taken steps in making either GK Moopanara or Chithambaram instead of supporting DMK that time.
Atleast we could have got some change instead of the routine DMK and ADMK rule.
This is my personal opinion.
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Following is my personal opinion..
Sivaji in politics..though the thespian did dabble in it,personally I think he was not suited for the role of a politician.His passion was acting and he was amazing in that.He was not a good politician.I dont even think he wanted to be one.Got probably tempted by the power.
Now Rajini..he could have made a good chief minister..but no by joining DMK or AIDMK..he should have joined congress as TM said.Now its too late..hes too embroiled with both JJ and thatha to be of any help to TN.
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Balaji,
Thanks for raising an important question on NT's political unsucessful.

Initially NT was a great supporter of DK ,then DMK since he was very close with Periyar ,Anna and kalainjar..Whwn NT was very active in DMK ,MGR was a congressman ..NT invloved in many fund raising drama shows across the state ,which he did purely free for the party..He even went to streets to collect money for the party.At that time NT was given much importance in DMK and Anna had a special affection for NT.

Later MGR joined DMK.Both MGR and NT were in DMK ..periodically DMK gave more importance to MGR ..Few people waiting to ridiclue NT..They got a chance when NT went to Thiruppathi vengadachapathi temple together with B.R.Pandulu ,who forcefully brought him there..When NT return from Thiruppathi ,there was a huge hue and cry in DMK by his opposite side that sivaji went against DMK principle ,which is atheism .They pasted the posters "Thirupathi ganesa..govinda"..Sivaji was terribly upset and decided to quit DMK .Anna was very upset by the exit of DMK and said "Thampi! Engirunthaalum Vaazhga" (later kannadasan used this line as a stating of the song "Engirunthaalum vaazhga").

Unlike others ,NT a open minded ,he never refused that he beleive in GOD .There were many in DMK who used to go to temples ,but in secret .Even there was a talk that MGR used to go to Thai moogampigai kovil ,though he project him as a atheist.After NT quit from DMK ,he met Kamarajar ,who he had great respect and joined Congress.

After the emergency by Indira Ghandi,Congress split into 2 ,Original congress (kamaraj) and Indira congress ..NT was with kamaraj ,almost all congress leaders(Including Moopanar) now were with Indira..After Kamaraj ,Congress became one again under Indira ..Moopanar was against sivaji ,just because NT was a threat to his position in congress.

NT was not active like MGR in politics ..DMK used MGR to maximum extend and spread their propaganda ,but Congress leaders dodn't have that much talent to make use of NT equally ,since they themselves blaming DMK as 'Cinema Kadchi'.

NT has more equal if not more fans than MGR ..But NT fans like NT as an actor ,not as thalaivar ..But MGR fans consider MGR as their thalaivar as well ,since MGR mantram was well organised and a important part of DMK.NT fans were just his rasigars whereas MGR fans mostly his rasigars as well as his pakthargal.

NT invloved in many election campaign for congress .But he was not agressive and he never bad mouthed anybody personally ..He just campaign in the name of Kamaraj,Nehru Indira..Especially he never attacked MGR personally (Most of the time MGR had allainace with congress except few times).

After MGR passed away ,Few inexperienced Jaalras of NT forced him to start a party .He started 'Thamizhaga munnetra Munnani' and joined hands with ADMK (Janagi)..At that time DMK cadres are in full force ,since there was a clear chance to DMK after 13 years..They were ready to give their soul to make DMK come again .

NT was wrongly informed by his jaalras that he can win easily if he contest from his home area ,Thiruvaiyaaru ..During the election ,I have read in Junior Vikatan..They stated "In this election among 234 seats ,only one seat result is confirmed ..That is Thiruvaiyaru..sivaji is going to win ..The question is how much big margin"..these kind of informations made experienced DMK caders to try hard and finally NT was defeated by DMK candidate by 6000 votes ...In my personal opnion NT should have contested in nagercoil .I am not saying because nagercoil is my home town .But it is the truth ..Nagercoil is Nt's kottai even now ..In that election NT's party came second in nagercoil beating congress ,ADMK (JJ)..If sivaji contest there ,I am damn sure he would have no opponent,since irrespective of parties NT has that much respect in nagercoil ..The reason is when Kamarajar was contested in nagercoil ,NT came there for campaign for kamaraj and from the begining NT has crazy fans in nagercoil ,even now.

Apart from this ,Most of the NT fans didn't see him as their was not ready to vote for NT party(I was not eligible to vote then,is another matter) ,though I love him so much...NT has no eblity to show off as a political leader ..He never planned to boost his image and act infron of others ,off-screen.

NT's political failure is nothing to do with his fan following ..The DMK candidate who defeated NT at Thiruvaiyaaru released a statement after his victory "I myself a die-hard fan of Nadigar Thilagam .But I have no choice as a party man..I will be always NT fan"..This is the bottom line.

Thirumaran,
I agree that NT lacks leadership quality required for current plotical trend..A small request ,Pls don't compare NT with people like T.rajendar,Bagyaraj etc who failed in politics...We are taking NT is spl because He was equal to MGR in popularity and fan force..That is why we are analysing why NT was not succesful like MGR ..Nobody surprise about political failure of T.Rajendar,Bagyaraj,sarathkumar etc since they never had such a popularity NT had ..Infact JJ was no match with NT in popularity as a cinema artist..But in politics ,Planning and luck is very important ,in which NT failed in politics....NT couldn't even win a MLA seat ,whereas ramarajan won MP seat and Ratharavi won MLA seat..Does it mean Ramarajan and ratharavi has more popularity and support than NT among puplic..It purely depends on then situation and political climate.

Tamil nadu is a state ,defeated even Kamrajar and Anna in MLA election ..Kamarajar was able to became Congress president when there was a respect for sincearity and divine..If kamaraj enters politics now ,he may not be able to become even as a 'vatta seyalalar' since it needs cunningness and all bad aspects.

Thirumaran,

I do not admit what you said about Sivaji: "Basically i believe Shivaji lacked leadership qualities which is necessary for a politician". Tell me which politican in TN has got leadership qualities?

MGR was a shrewd person, but definitely not a leader. How do you define a leadership? For me, a leader is one who has some vision. MGR never had any vision, except to take up CM chair. According to history, Kamaraj had a great vision to make TN a model state; which he did. Anna/Karuna/MGR/JJ are nowhere near Kamaraj in doing something to the state. MGR used his popularity to achieve what he wanted. Analyze his CM period - TN restricted itself so low that neighboring states/cities, especially Bangalore boomed. In his rule of 12-15 years, there were only few noteworthy achievements: free meal scheme (extended from Kamaraj vision), common entrace exams and few more. With his unimaginable power, charisma and personality, MGR could have achieved a lot more, but he didn't. MGR, as he hailed from poor family, could have eliminated poverty to a good level, but he didn't. Thats why I said MGR was never a good leader. But I admit he was a better person comparison to other TN politicians. Just to give an example: I may say PVNarasimha Rao was a good leader, who opened our economy in the early 90s. A leader should have a vision like that, which benefit mass.

On the other hand, Sivaji was a great actor and he did best what he knew. Sivaji concentrated on doing different roles, even acting as a womaniser on screen was fine for him, which MGR never dared to touch. I read that when NT was the president of Madras Film association, he did a good work for the upliftment of the association. If Sivaji had won at least an MLA seat, I am sure he would have done a great deal of work to his constitutency. Because NT was good by heart. But TN people did not give him a chance. I wish he never entered politics and by doing so, he spoiled his image.

People like NT for what he is. Excellent actor and courageous to do different roles. On par with the best of the best in the world stage of acting.

Please do not bring NT as a politician, because it is so allergetic to his fans. Also, do not compare NT with other so called politicians like ramarajan, sschandran,etc. Because comparing NT with them is a SIN. Sivaji's fans just love him.

Regards

Two good and too good posts from Joe Anne and Tacinema.......
interesting facts ......excellent recap of the entire events ......thanks Joe dear........

However, i wish to add one on the difference between Kamaraj and MGR / Mukaa / others

Kamaraj became the CM when our country was just fresh from indepedence....and all the leaders were BASICALLY FREEDOM FIGHTERS WHO HAD ALL THE ENTHUSIASM AND URGE TO MAKE THE COUNTRY GET BACK ITS OLD PRIDE ....

MGR, Muka belong to the next generation of ACTUAL POLITICIANS ...incidentally Baktavatsalam followed Kamaraj for Congress

So I am not surprised with what Kamaraj contributed as he was one of those freedom fighters and someone with a pure heart to do something best for the country.......

Mukaa and MGR never had any great ambitions for the country's / state's welfare .....if you recollect the history, MGR even said once that INDIAN RAANUVATHAI KATHI MUNAYIL SANDHIPPEN !!
an outburst which came out of his youth !

Anna wanted an alternative force to get rid of Congress for various reasons ?? and he smartly created a team of yougsters like Mukaa , MGR etc and what happened was history......

Its really sad that NT could not make it in politics......... However he was a Rajyasabha member once .....but failed to contribute much ........

Ultimately, AS A TYPICAL ANOTHER HARDCORE NT FAN, EVEN I ALSO NEVER CONSIDERED HIM TO BE A POLITICIAN ....... FOR ME HE IS THE UNIVERSITY OF ACTING........

Thanks balaji!

Now you have clearly explained what I really wanted to..The first generation leaders after independence were really good people since they really came up high with their dedication and thirst for freedom..But now if somebody have that simplicity ,dedication and vision for country ,no party will consider him to make even as a counsler..This is the fact..Nowdays I can see only one leader in tamil nadu ,being a top leader of a party and still maintain his simplicity and clean hand ,that is Mr.Nalla kannu.

Joe

Nalla kannu is Nalla kannu as he comes from Communist party which is known tradionally for commonness and comradeship.....
you know even E.K. Nayanaar was another simple politician ....
I have heard a lot about V.P.Chinthan

Another interesting fact I wish to highlight......

While MGR will be projecting Anna as thenaaatu Gandhi etc ......

our NT will be portraying Kamarajar as Thenaatu Gandhi ( remember Barathamay en adimai song ) and also Thangangalay naalai thalaivargalay ( briefly touches ...palli chaalai thandhavan ezai thalaivanai dhinamum ennungal )

this trend continued for sometime

Balaji,
You are right.I beleive Anna also very nice person..We are unfortuante,his rule ended in 2 years..But surely kamaraj is greatest CM we had so far..He was called as 'Karuppu Ghandhi'.

Btw: I sent you a PM.Pls check.

Joe Anne

Unfortunately Anna passed away soon....else he would have done something for the poor atleast ....

beyond doubt, Kamarajar was the best ever CM .... after Lal Bahadur Shastri, he could have become PM but he didnt have enough push ( urge ) and he himself volunteered Indira Gandhi....