I humbly decline ur request.this is the thiruvasagam thread where thiruvasagam can be discussed both sides of the album.
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I humbly decline ur request.this is the thiruvasagam thread where thiruvasagam can be discussed both sides of the album.
Also look at the 4th verse.. Vaithanithi Pendir Makkal Kualm kalvi.." Beautifully portrays today's life man.. We are all confused in this wordly matters..and totally forget the purpose of life..
"In this mad world, amid stress and strife confused,
from birth and death, that ceaseless spring, -
Where hoarded treasure, women, offspring, tribe,
and learning's store, men prize and seek; -
He calms the storm of mental changing states,
and clears from error's mists the soul.
To mystic wisdom's mighty God go thou,
AND BREATHE HIS PRAISE, O HUMMING-BEE !"
Also in the last verse.." Ullapadathat Thiruvuruvai..." IR uses a delayed chorus which sounds very apt for the ending..
The opening few seconds of the song reminds me of " Siru pon manu asaiyum athil therikum siru isaiyum..". that was the clue that it was set to SD.
All in all , a true masterpeice album.. I want to finish the rest of the tracks though..
I jumped to track 5.. preserving #4 for the weekend..
Cheers
MSK
Ananth has said it excellently. I use the "Dosai maavu" analogy like ananth finds the Coffee analogy.
Still, current generation expects fusion means mixing Balamurali krishna with Micahel Jakson. IR takes BMK with Bach, I mean Classical Vs Classical. Even the word Vs is wrong, the word "with" is more appropriate. "Classical with Classical".
Both exist with their purity and bliss ! At the same time they are also not existing as individuals because they have already blended well. Now its for you to find the faults in Western from Carnatic angle and find faults in Carnatic with Western angle. If you choose the right vision, you can see the best of both ! The choice is yours !
In Polla Vinayen, the western chorus singers sing our raagam and our chorus sings their scales. One has to take a deep plunge into all aspects from notations to scales to voices to verses to everything to arrive at a reasonable comment on the fusion aspect of TIS. That's not under the capacity of many of our listeners like me. Of course IR also doesnot want any comments/ certificates as he has founded and well established a new musical religion of fusion a long long ago and the people has already accepted and following them without even knowing the rules and procedures ! To feel and enjoy God (in this case for me, IR) you dont need them ! Those are the people who has recognised TIS and fortunate to enjoy TIS !
I think you must listen to PollaVinayen from 17.55, blend which you call is very obvious. Also check the rendering from 19.30, at least to me they certainly weren't singing in Indian Style.Quote:
Originally Posted by slperson1
TISK,
It seems mohankumars has uploaded thiruvAsagam (all the songs not just samples from the CD)...My friend has downloaded it from their site..Pls take necessary action.
Hi Shankar,
Thanks for leaving your comments :) Sure - what I would do is - I shall post a series of threads with the translations - and then summarising it properly - since the translations are word to word by the Rev. Pope.
I shall put a side banner too..
Ignoring vanessa mae, "fusion" discussions and other inanities, let's move on.......
csramaswami/vijayr or anyone else here...
A few questions from a novice.....
I've already made the post regarding the Q's here but i can't get this out of my mind..... listened to IT 3 times on the trot last night and once this morning......still keep hearing "putril vaazh aravum anjen"....
1. Poovar senni mannan - Is the Raaga vakhulabharanam?
2. Kothumbi seemed like Sudhadhanyasi all through the song to me
3. Putril vaazh aravum anjen - Starts with Maand and ends with Kaapi? Is it correct? Also, is there any other scale(s) i'm missing in between?
alwarpet, most songs have scale changes in them, cannot attribute them to just one scale.Kothumbi changes scale after the 3rd verse like I mentioned earlier(to Sumanesaranjani if I am right). Putril Vaazh starts off with Maand and then moves on to Tilang and maybe Charukesi. Last stanza does sound like Kaapi to me although I need to hear it again. The transition from one verse to another is so smooth that you never realize it.Yet each verse brings out a totally different mood from the previous one.
Polla Vinayen traverses through a spectrum of moods/time signatures and scales- KeeravaNi, Hamsanandhi, kalyaNi, simmendramadhyamam etc. are some of the scales of which I could catch a fleeting glimpse. But seriously, TIS, with a exception of few verses, is beyond any raga analysis that we do for film songs. These are more like chants with less emphasis on raga elaboration and more on soulful rendition with WCM/choral backing. In Polla Vinayen the chorus lines are the ones that create the effect. Maasatra sodhiye, aakkam arivu, Namachivaaya vaazhga etc. are some places where IR makes goosepimples run amuck all over us.
Deviating from Polla Vinayaen, I want to focus on "Muthu natraamam poo maalai soodi". It is sung by many singers is something everyone can readily point out, however there is an interesting twist in that each of the lead singers have contrasting scales of voices. The first one starts with a higher pitch and then successive singers sing in lower pitches. It is like a flautist using flutes of different length for a song, IR uses voices of different pitch or makes singers sing in different pitch (I am perhaps confused between pitch and scale. I guess I am not wrong). It also gives us a picture of progression and regression , like a swing rocking front and back. The reason being that the song is about the Lord and his consort in swing while the entire universe is watching the spectacle.
The male and female voices complete the song in a beautiful , brisque fashion. Watch out for Madhu Balakrishnan sing "Naayir kadaippatta nammai" and the finishing drum rolls on "devanum deviyum aada aada". Majestic and captivating.
Please clear some of my doubts regarding TIS here
http://ursmusically.blogspot.com/200...llayaraja.html