IR's composing technique

http://www.chennaionline.com/film/Ev...maniratnam.asp

From the link above:

However, for a director, there was just one handicap. "Ilayaraja will listen to you as you explain the scene, and what he intends to convey. Once the film rolls, Ilayaraja's gaze will be on the screen and a few seconds later, papers would go to the musicians giving them the score, and then there would be no further changes. A director can be taken by surprise at the speed of events. If at all you want to convey anything to Ilayaraja, it must be before he watches the shot (before the background score is added) on to the screen," said Mani amidst both laughter and applause.

How come this is a Handicap for a director :roll:

Hope this doesnot become a digression but a discussion on IR's Composing technique :)

rajasaranam, the rigid style of functioning of IR might be a big constraint for directors who might like to change some scene or other after rerecording.
I think this is what Mani is saying " If at all you want to convey anything to Ilayaraja, it must be before he watches the shot (before the background score is added) on to the screen," which means IR is not open to any change after the bgm score is done with.
Anyways Mani's interview shows the regard he still has for IR

sseshadri75,
where can i get those master piece songs(the ones u were praising for) in net?

illam pani thuli!!

Gangai aatril from Aayiram Nilave vaa (1983), yet another masterpiece!

China Poo Chinna Poo-Japanil Kalayanaraman...what a composition!Hats off Raja...

Chinna kuyil padum....from Poove Poochudava...

Hello gopiharan, the above songs i can send you! venumaa?

poove poochudavaa...
japanil kalyanaraman...
original cds are available oriental records also, for Raaja's gems please visit http://project-gem.tripod.com/index.html

thanks baroque,
i got those songs from coolgoose as suggested by seshadri...
really now i am in a dreamland with this mesimerising music....
rajaana raja thaan....melody thesathukku avar oruthar thaan Raja!!!

btw one doubt..is IR, the MD for Poove Poochudava??? If so he is the greatest ever MD Tamilnadu has ever produced.... :P :P

gopiharan,
Rest assured that IR is THE MD for `poovE poochooda vA' (the first one of the long term association with director Fazil)...this film also had the first `released' song by Chitra in Tamil...(though the recorded one was `poojaikkEththa poovidhu' from another film)...the first Tamil film for Nadhiya Moidhu...

I still remember the `vividh bharathy' ads for this film...'pAttikkum pEththikkum idaiye nadakkum uNarchippOrAttam'...followed by a couple of lines from the KJY version of `poovE poochooda vA'...

Kumudam praised the `chinnakkuyil pAdum pAttukkEtkudhA' as one real good song after a long long time:-) (Though it looked like a complement to this film, many IR admirers considered that as a dig at him of not giving good melodies in years...though all those motherland pictures stuff and others were making waves in the time period prior to that)...

The film had excellent BGM too (which I relished more when I saw on TV recently than when it was released as the first time around...as you tend to get involved more with the other aspects of this really good movie when you see first...)

In any case, Fazil-IR combo has produced some memorable music in TFM, poovE poochooda vA & varusham 16 musically ranking higher than others IMO...

Hi gopiharan, I am glad you got the songs!! Enjoy! Ilayaraaja is God of Music!!!
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Back to the topic:

Is the `magician' technique used by IR discussed? I remember reading once (quoting IR) that music is a kind of `sithu' vElai, transforming an existing theme with subtle changes...like changing `ERu mayil ERi varum' (or something like that...a Murugan song) into `mAnguyilE, poonguyilE'...or changing the rAgA of `mari mari ninnE'...

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Originally Posted by app_engine

gopiharan,
Rest assured that IR is THE MD for `poovE poochooda vA' (the first one of the long term association with director Fazil)...this film also had the first `released' song by Chitra in Tamil...(though the recorded one was `poojaikkEththa poovidhu' from another film)...the first Tamil film for Nadhiya Moidhu...

I still remember the `vividh bharathy' ads for this film...'pAttikkum pEththikkum idaiye nadakkum uNarchippOrAttam'...followed by a couple of lines from the KJY version of `poovE poochooda vA'...

Kumudam praised the `chinnakkuyil pAdum pAttukkEtkudhA' as one real good song after a long long time:-) (Though it looked like a complement to this film, many IR admirers considered that as a dig at him of not giving good melodies in years...though all those motherland pictures stuff and others were making waves in the time period prior to that)...

The film had excellent BGM too (which I relished more when I saw on TV recently than when it was released as the first time around...as you tend to get involved more with the other aspects of this really good movie when you see first...)

In any case, Fazil-IR combo has produced some memorable music in TFM, poovE poochooda vA & varusham 16 musically ranking higher than others IMO...

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app_engine....
well said and thanks for the info....i guessed it must b IR from the composing style of the song....Oh my God....i don't have words to praise IR sir...simply genius....this one song...Chinna Kuyil talks all about his versatile talent...IR is real God of Melody land...
definitely i can't find any such matching melody in the recent past :D :D
saw Nayagan yday in KTV.....'Thenpandi Cheemayile' is still ringing in my mind.....genius of the Era.... Happy Birthday Raja Sir.....