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Dear Pradeep, :)Quote:
Could you please give the root of anbu (love) is it something related to identify with? (I am not asking again the root of which came first or second...but the root word). Thanks a lot.
"Anbu" came from the root 'An' at the beginning 'suttu oli' and means 'Near' and created the words Annai-Very close to a son, Anai- Embrace, Anaiththu- make it one / make closer, Anmai-Arukil (near) etc.
When you have 'Anbu' it will burst out all barriers like ego,caste,language,region & nation and the person contains it will run to help others.
This is beautifully notified by Mr.Idiappam as an incident and as "Anbe sivam" concept.
"Anbirkum Undo? Adaikuntazh" - is valluvam.
"Anbudaiyar enbum Undayar Pirarku" - Persons with 'Anbu' shall give their bone and soul to others.
People should Keep this in mind. You asked what is the use of history and claiming which one first which one second is useless.
I completely agree with that.
But When some statements made like,"Sankrit is Deva Basha-Tamil is Neesa Basha,Telugu is Neechalu Basha, Theendamai Shemakaramanathu (Untouchability is good), Sankrit should not be learnt by Sutras and women and the same is used with modern wordings like Sanskrit is the mother of Indian heritage and languages and due to this Why this Hidden supremacy induced ? what is what ? Why are they saying this ? Why the separate heritage and motherliness of tamil heritage not addressed ?- type of questions are induced naturally in our mind and to seek answers we have to get into the history to examine our position.
The true indianness I feel is there in tamil. I won't say sanskrit does not contain indianness. Its heritage also contains parities. If this parities getting boasted as sanskrit heritage then certainly we have to fight it or not ? tell me. And if India follows suppressing attitude towards other languages and their heritage we have to fight it or not ?
That is the basic, I want to say, always contains in my postings and never spreading of hatred towards sanskrit praising people.
I hope that you will try to understand my position.
f.s.gandhi
Dear GandhiQuote:
But When some statements made like,"Sankrit is Deva Basha-Tamil is Neesa Basha,Telugu is Neechalu Basha, Theendamai ..................and to seek answers we have to get into the history to examine our position.
I understand your emotions. I used to debate with so called "Brahmin" people and make them understand that they have no qualities of Brahmin as codified by vedas, especially Gita. But that does not prevent me from using Veda for my personal life because I always seek truth. I understand that the Truth of vedic knowledge has been misunderstood over years. The word Guyha or secret is literally taken instead of the intended meaning. I understand these by experimenting Gita. Like a professional scientist I experiment, anlayse and then draw inference. So I practised whatever is said in Gita over years I found the truth revealed in it andthe intended meaning of the words.
I have gone only a handful of that and what i do not know is ulagaluvu of those words. But asthe saying goes "oru paanaikku soru oru padam" , by examining a few I understand the whole theme of the spiritual scriptures.
I was discussing about your wonderful posts about the "one-ness" of words in different languages. we are both interested because of our four year old son. He is fluent in malayalam (mother tongue) and we made him Tamil because we know the richness and beauty of it. Of course beign in USA, he is fluent in English and now getting good at Hindi because of many North Indian friends and alos because we want to him learn sanskrit, though it is taught luckily in his own school from grade one.
This summer vaccation my wife is begining with japanese with our son and that is how I mentioned about your post in FH. she said she is interested to look for tamil roots in japanese.
sorry for the diversion...the point I am conveying is that just because some people has misused the system we cannot trash it and miss the knowledge.
I understand that showing the one-ness of 'Truth" in the two languages we can reap the benefits out of it instead of spewing hatred.
Sir Pradeep said:
Brilliant boy! Very unlike his father! :evil: :evil: :lol:Quote:
I was discussing about your wonderful posts about the "one-ness" of words in different languages. we are both interested because of our four year old son. He is fluent in malayalam (mother tongue) and we made him Tamil because we know the richness and beauty of it. Of course beign in USA, he is fluent in English and now getting good at Hindi because of many North Indian friends and alos because we want to him learn sanskrit,
Dear Mr. "r_kk"
// "Sudhaama":-- Divine-Language is the Translation in English-form of the Sanskrit-word DEVA-BHASHA... Godly Language or Divine- Language.... (c) It is the Language APPROVED / RECOGNISED / ACKNOWLEDGED / AUTHENTICATED / SANCTIFIED Language for recitation of Vedas and Sthothras in Temples and Homes. ( All the Non-Tamilians recite during poojas at their Homes only in Sanskrit... whereas Tamilians recite in Tamil also along with or without Sanskrit) //
My intention is not to denigrate any Language... nor I possess such a Sick-Thought, I being interested in not only Indian but also Global Linguistics and Culture. You might have already noticed... in my several postings in different threads for the past more than three years that I am all along speaking in ONE VOICE... defending in favour of broad outlook on all the Languages... National and International too... including the Tribal-ones. No Language is Inferior or Superior to any other One..... I never mean so.
Since I believe that each and every Language has got its own unique Worth and Value... even Great on its own... in one or the other aspect.
I have not deviated from that Healthy-stand... even while I say that Tamil also is the so called Divine-Language.
In fact I did not like to elaborate so, at the outset... but a brief-mention that Tamil also is Divine at par with Sanskrit, the so called Deva-Bhasha (meaning Divine-Language)...
.. I purposively avoided to touch the cross-section of the truth.... since it is a controversial and unpalatable factor in the broad universal society.
But RELUCTANTLY I had to elaborate, in response to Mr. Idiappam's seeking clarification.
My elaboration put forth here are based on the HISTORICAL-COUNTER- ARGUMENTS in response to some Sanskrit Fanatics during the yester-years... who seriously denigrated the Tamil-Language mocking at it as the Tribal-dialect unworthy to be considered as a Language... leaving apart its Qualification for recitation at Temples and Homes. While Sanskrit alone was considered as Qualified for the purpose in any Hindu-Temple.
And so in DEFENSE on Tamil... whatever points were put forth ... especialy during Ramanujacharya's period who introduced Tamil-Divya-prabhanda Recitations at par with Sanskrit Veda-chantings in Temples .... confronting all sorts of opposition.....
...I have presented here to show my Friends how the History has UNDULY TORTURED this Great Language.
.. despite the Large-Hearted Tamil Gospel... "YAADHUM - OORAE ... YAAVARUM-KAELHIR." ... healthy spirit of Tamilians all along.... propagating the Universal-brotherhood Spirit
// Dear Sudhaam sir,...Through your writtings, you are again and again proving that you are living in a totally different world //
Yes... Yes Yes... You are CORRECT...
I am living In that different World... of "YAADHUM- OORAE- YAAHARUM- KAELHIR" Unioversal Mankind Spirit.
//I am shocked to know that Tamil is one of the langauage spoken in mythical world too...//
If you think over deeply... You can know the True-sense behind... based on REALITY.
// Still I am confused why many people around the our real world do not understand even a single word of Tamil?//
That is because We the Tamilians have lead it so.... Yes the Tamilians are the Culprits.... especially because of the Lack of Unity amongst themselves.... long past and the present too...
..on which our Great Auvaiyar and such other Seers had struggled a lot to convince and succeed.
Best Example... Chera, Choazha, Pandiya... THREE DIFFERENT Kingdoms amongst One Broad-Society adhering to a Single Unique and Uniform Culture...
Such parochial Self-centered Divisions amongst the Royal-Brethren
...Nowhere else in India... or even in the annals of World-History.
.. lagging behind on their Ancient Tradition of Exemplary Indian- Heritage of High-Universal-Spirit
// Please note that this is part of history section and languages can be discussed either it is ancient or recent based on historical proofs, not like God-made Man-made using stories as proofs.//
Whether You relish or not... I am not presenting here any Fallacies nor Fictions...
... but the various sorts of Historical-Trend in India... as how the then Society had conducted themselves... some suicidal too, even to their detriment...
...which was efficiently countered time to time by our Great-Indians... so as to maintain the Moral-Balance of the Social-Ethics... more relevant to Indian-Culture...based on Reality.
// For Arab's arabic is the holy language, For Isrelites, Hebrew is the holy language and for a remote aftrican/brazil tribes thir own langauage (lo lo...) might be a diving language...//
Yes. please... Here the point is the comparitive analysis just between one Language heightened in the past, as Deva-Bhasha and another Classical-Language as Neecha-Bhasha of fit for Tribals.
And Nothing beyond.
//After all, the concept of God was made by devil mind of human out of fear.//
Here I strongly differ with you... Except in India (so called Lemuria)...The concept of God emanated all over the World out of Fear-Complex...
... during the primary stage of Mankind elsewhere in the Globe.
.. especially noticing the Thunderstorms and Lightnings, apart from the Natural-Calamities of Nature...
Whereas it was those Tribal-indians... who treated GOD WITH LOVE...
... who first ensourced the Art of Prayer... as a mark of Gratitude...
.. towards the Super-Human-Power ... whose co-operation ALSO was felt Inevitable for their Successful and Peaceful- Livelihood
Dear IdiappamQuote:
Brilliant boy! Very unlike his father!
Thank you for praising me marrying a brilliant wife but I am sad that you let down my mom, because intelligence comes from the maternal side.
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Achacho! Ippadi post increase panrathellam nalla illa!!
Romba confusionaa iruntha, PM panni kettukonga!
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