crajkumar_be,
eppavum romba thelivaa pesuveenga pola :lol2:
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crajkumar_be,
eppavum romba thelivaa pesuveenga pola :lol2:
good, but its presence in this thread sends bad vibes.Quote:
Originally Posted by raja_fan
I find that article to be utterly senseless. infact i felt it to be perversion. The author dug out some hidden agendas, supposedly, on the part of that film-maker.But strange. Some film-maker wanted to make a film. and signed up a composer. Surprisingly it becomes a hit and the music gets an award. and here we have people who are trying to get some mediaspace by attributing what all to them. That film-maker might not have even dreamt about such dimensions. I have seen this film and religion is just in the names of characters. Nothing more.and if we change those names to hindu ones, it wouldnt make an iota of difference to the film or theme or whatever. What next, Pakistan funded Danny Boyle and planted him in India? I wont be surprised even if that is an opinion expressed and if 1000 people say 'yes Yes' to it.
I think we should now have films which have characters with names as only Alphabets.. Like ' JK', 'PJ'. because we are now looking for religion and intentions behind the names of characters in a film, and what more, we even appreciate the people who imagine a lot and transform it into 'hidden agendas' of maligning a particular religion and make a 'case' out of it.
If i ever make a film, it will not have full names. Not that i would make a film this this one, but then, we never know where all people might search for religion in a film.
Great. we call this progress.
Sorry, I know this is wrong thread, but really couldnt stop myself after reading the hyper imagination of the author there.
I think Boyle did a fine job in SDM - I personally dont give a damn abt the rabble-rousers creating a furore over the movie, or, a gent by the name Bachan venting out his envy challenging the artistic merit of the film
But what SDM has indeed done is open up questions abt Mumbai's slums!!
digression: the following might be relevant: its a paper published by the Global Commission on International Migration
http://www.gcim.org/attachements/GMP%20No%2042.pdf
Unfortunately, todays mass media do not showcase these highly critical issues of human migrationary patterns!
"The irony is that in the study of international migration processes, poor countries like India are rarely seen as receivers of undocumented migrants from other poorer countries.They are viewed instead as senders of ‘asylum-seekers,’ ‘illegal’ migrants, and professional emigrants destined for richer countries in the West. Challenging this stereotype in international migration research, this paper examines the intensification and complexity of irregular migrations in South Asia – a topic under-researched by scholars - by presenting the unusual case of Bangladeshi immigrants in India."
http://www.gcim.org/attachements/GMP%20No%2042.pdf
"a steady stream of migrants is moving into affluent urban areas like New Delhi and Mumbai (formerly Bombay) where there is a constant demand for cheap labour. Here too they occupy the lowest social echelons, joining the vast ranks of the urban poor living in slums and shanties in these cities. Many Bangladeshi women work as maids or domestic servants in middle-class Indian households in these cities, while male migrants seek employment as laborers, rickshaw pullers or rag pickers who salvage re-saleable material out of garbage"
"According to the estimates, some 300,000 and 200,000 Bangladeshi children work in brothels in India and Pakistan respectively. Between 1990 and 1992 alone, some 1,000 child trafficking cases were reported in the Bangladesh media. Each year some 4,500 women and children are trafficked to Pakistan through India. While many of them were lured with false promises of lucrative employment, others chose migration as a route to escape abject poverty only to find themselves vulnerable at destination points. A great majority of trafficked women and girls have ended up as prostitutes in Kolkata (previously Calcutta), Mumbai, and other urban centers in India"- end digression
let Boyle or anyone make as many movies as they want to - about India - they are welcome!
but let the world also know that India carries the burden of millions of refugees who often enjoy more rights than even its rightful citizens - ration cards, voting rights are all up for grabs! of course there are intellectuals in India who will not stop harping on the ill-treatment meted out to them!
These "refugees" from Bangladesh are the ones who kill hundreds of Indians in Assam and West Bengal by planting bombs.Quote:
but let the world also know that India carries the burden of millions of refugees who often enjoy more rights than even its rightful citizens - ration cards, voting rights are all up for grabs! of course there are intellectuals in India who will not stop harping on the ill-treatment meted out to them!
Anyways, let us concentrate on Music alone. Any debates on religion will change our focus.
I have not seen SDM. But I am of the opinion that the elite/upper middle class of India wants to portray a rosy picture of our country to the west all the time. This is not really a good attitude. We cannot solve a problem, when we dont even acknowledge that a problem exists. Yesterday, when casually parked in Vijay TV channel for a nondescript movie for a while, my wife, commented, that there is a always namaaz heard in the background, when the story is dealing with terrorists. Maybe this stereotype does not exist, but it is quite possible we all harbor some biases in us. We should let the arts people expose these, even though at times, it might be an exaggeration.
Anyways, back to the topic, there is also a attitude in our society that only when we get an award from the western world we feel accomplished. Still we should not say this when Rahman getting an award should be positively viewed. I feel even if Rahman is watering Indian music traditions to present in a westernized format we should appreciate. He is opening up the market for more serious pieces of art and creating an awareness for our tradition. I am sure people will people will mention RaviShankar, HariPrasad Chaurasia or NFAK. Yes, they did but Rahman is doing it in the popular music space which can reach out to a much bigger audience.
Kiru - i dont think the problem is with the elite/upper middle class of India - comeone, most people in India just do not have time for such rabble-rousing!
its a select group of lobbyists from political background, and the movie industry who are trying to capitalise on the popularity and hype generated by the film! thats all - most people in India are actually happy that ARR won the GG and is most likely to win the AA too!
interestingly, my colleagues (one an Algerian, another an American) asked me about the movie's backdrop - not in a derogatory way, but in an inquisitive manner - and I explained to them that its after all a movie, meant for entertainment and the facts behind Mumbai slums - the 1000s of illegal immigrants streaming in from Bangladesh finding refuge in Mumbai adding to the slum density - just like most people, they were not aware of this collosal migration problem in India and were quite surprised to learn of the same!
A last digression in this thread :)
kiru,
I have seen SDM and all I can say is that India just forms a backdrop for the movie. Boyle is not interested in India or Indians. He just wants to tell a story based in an exotic background. So he chose India. I mean, the story could have as well been based in Mexico, Costa Rico or US and it wouldn't have made a difference to the movie. It may not have been as well received since it would have become an ordinary movie with a well known place as a background for the westerners!! The movie's USP is the Indian backdrop. There is no sense fretting over this mediocre movie and trying to worry about the portrayal of India etc.
I will end my digression now.
S.Suresh
I didnt know which thread I could share this one:
Found a die-hard IR groupie blog and this post: This guy got a letter from IR in 1978! Very interesting , if it is true:
Few of IR's (allegedly) comments in that letter:
1. "Sugamo Aayiram from TIM is a under-appreciated gem." ( I have felt so but IR saying this himself...)
2."In the film “Kaatrinile..”, I have used a new instrument called “Recorder”, which no other MD is using.
Even in the films yet to be released also, you are going to hear the new effects and sounds of even the existing usual instruments."
Well, does tell us IR was thinking about "new sounds" in 1978 :-).
3."7. Even though I increase my “price” to decrease the films to be signed, they never leave me. What can I do ?"
4."Happy that (atleast !) songs of “Odi VIlayadu Thatha” are different !" Yes, they were different. Suseela singing Odi Vilayadu thatha is a different experience
5."Find somebody else who are knowledgeable to be your “Guru”. I am not having that qualification in this life.
"
I completely agree with Suresh. That film has the word 'slum' in its name and just 1-2 sequences shot in slum but the film is NOT about slum. i dont understand why people who are denouncing are missing this point.
Kiru,
Thats quite an interesting snippet. Thanks for sharing it. Infact i have always believed that IR was always creating new sounds and was ahead in technology all through late 70s and 80s. Somehow, barring few exceptions, i think he missed that vigour (on that front alone) in 90s and thereafter. Probably his own attitude towards music (which i think is again reflected by his attitude towards philosophy, nature, religion, life) underwent few changes and accordingly he has kept some elements with him(like melody, orchestration) while he has focussed less on others (technology, sounds etc. )