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Neenga yaarunga antha percent mudivu pannuvathu i mean 90%. Argue but do not give statistics :lol:. However you can safely tell the percent of IR+VM is greater than IR+nonVM songs. Ithu kooda illaina, Kannadasan, Vaali aduthu Vairamuthu-nu eppadi sollurathu :)Quote:
Originally Posted by genesis
சுரேஷ்,
வீம்புக்காக பேச இங்கு வரவில்லை. ரஹ்மான இல்லாமலும், வைரமுத்து தனது கவிதையால் அடுத்த தளத்திற்கு எடுத்துச் சென்ற படங்கள், பாடல்கள் நிறைய. அவரின் வரிகள் கன்ஸிஸ்டன்ஸி எனப் பார்த்தால் என்றைக்குமே சோடை போனதில்லை. இது வைரமுத்துவிற்கு சிபாரிசு அல்ல. ராஜா போன்று அவரும் அவரது துறையில் ஒரு வித்தகர்.
என் நினைவிலிருந்து..
சிகரம், அழகன், வானமே எல்லை, செல்லமே, உள்ளம் கேட்குமே, வேதம் புதிது, ஒன்பது ரூபாய் நோட்டு, தென்றல், அமராவதி, ஆசை, மஜ்னு, அந்நியன், யூத், சாமுராய், ஷாஜஹான், துள்ளாத மனமும் துள்ளும், அமர்க்களம், இயற்கை, குஷி, பூவெல்லாம் உன் வாசம், முகவரி, நிலாவே வா,உயிரோடு உயிராக, பிரியாத வரம் வேண்டும், என்னவளே, பூமகள் ஊர்வலம், பாண்டவர் பூமி, செந்தூரப்பூவே, மொழி, பொல்லாதவன், அயன், பாடும் வானம்பாடி, ரோஜா கூட்டம், பார்த்தேன் ரசித்தேன், ஜெமினி..
கடந்த இருபது வருட ராஜாவின் இசைப்பாடல்களில் வரிகள் ரசிக்கும் படியுள்ள பாடல்களை நீங்கள் கேட்டிருக்கிறீர்கள். நாளை நிச்சயம் எழுதுகிறேன்.
venki,
What you say fair enough and I am not doubting Vairamuthu's capacity at all and I agree that in his field he is a great man. All I am saying is that if we use the yardstick of success generally associated in the film industry, the graph of Vairamuthu is not rising. My argument was that we can conclude either way: that Raja's music output got diminished due to lack of Vairamuthu or the other way around :) The movies where Vairamuthu's lyrics are good, the music may not have been great. I don't think you blame Vairamuthu for the lack of a good tune. All I am saying is that Raja has given good music and maybe the lyrics have not been upto a great standard. Why blame Raja for that? If Raja is expected to say that he will not work with substandard lyricists, shouldn't we also expect the poets not to work with sub standard music directors or not write words for tunes they consider substandard? I guess that sort of argument will not take us anywhere. So why blame Raja for bad lyrics which he didn't write or blame Vairamuthu for a bad tune, which he didn't conceive.
There have been films like Mozhi where definitely Vairamuthu's words have reached and touched a lot of people. Whereas lot of other films you mentioned, the words probably didn't reach as wide an audience. I am sure not many from the general public would quote words from these movies as they would from say, from the songs of IR - VM or ARR-VM combination. (Don't take my word for this though. I have to confess that in many of the movies quoted by you I can hardly get through a song or two, with some exceptions. So my conclusions may be wrong.)
I am waiting for your list of songs with good lyrics. It will be nice to see that.
suresh, enna koduma sir idhu ....unga request'kaaga avar room potu yosippaaru pola....raajavin veechu vairamuthuvin veechai vida kuraivu dhaan endru yearkanavae ivaru soopera vaai mozhindhirukiraar...adhu padichadhukkae thalaiyellam suththi mayakkam vandhiruchi ...adutha post'la enna kodumai arangera pogudho... :lol: ippavae kanna kattudhae :omg:Quote:
Originally Posted by venkkiram
Just digressing away from Tamil into Telugu... the situation is somewhat similar. You have excellent lyricists like Veturi and Seetharama Sastry - who can be extremely poetic at one time and pedestrian at some other time. This is true when they work with Raja or any other MD.
For ex. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPRMj7n3-JE . I am sure the lyrics elevate the tune to a greater height and adds to the overall appealing of the song. That was by Veturi for Raja.
Listen to Seetharama Sastry for KVM here... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8J8C...eature=related . In one word, this is out of the world.
But listen to this out of the world tune with pedestrian lyrics by Veturi (I think it gels well with the movie, though :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_Lvyizuf_Y
Digression:
sivasub,
What you say is very true. Recently I watched a TV singing show in which a small kid sang 'manmada rasa', the Telugu version of the Tamil song with the same pallavi line. After she finished, Veturi, who was one of the judges asked her if she knew who wrote this song. When she expressed her ignorance he told her, "The joker who wrote the song is me. It is not a song that will do me proud but sometimes you need to write such songs based on what is demanded from you". I think he is pretty open about it and doesn't have any pretensions.
One more digression :)
sivasub,
Sitarama Sastry seems to have written with the hunger of a person wanting to ensure his first outing was a success. A what a success it proved to be. The lyrics are wonderful though very tough!! You have to sometimes consult a dictionary or another scholar to get the meanings right. It is something more peculiar to Telugu I think, where there is a certain degree of difficulty in words. My friend calls it 'proudam'. You don't find that in Tamil.
ok, my digression:
Since when this 'national award' thingy has become a gold standard for determining quality of "lyrics' ? :lol:
I can't believe that most (rather any) of those "judges" can appreciate poem of even one language and to expect them to compare many poems of a variety of languages and judge the best is simply expecting too much. That too by simply sitting through a few sessions where "engilees captions" are the only window (I would recommend 'kadalOrakkavidhaikaL' DVD for anyone who want to appreciate Thamizh poem with engilees sub-titles :lol: Nauseating!)
In addition, most movies with great songs / better lyrics are not even presented to the NA panel. Only a few savvy producers even take them there - i.e. those with "connections".
Please don't bring down the stature of VM by quoting NA's! He has got great credentials otherwise :-)
End-digression
Thanks Suresh. In my opinion, a song has to be looked at as a project. If project plan is considered as the theme of the movie, then the situation becomes the critical path in which the task of completing of a song will be with the architect, the director, the music director - the functional expert, lyricist and choreographer - team members and of course cinematographer - documentation specialist. Any miss anywhere will have the project not being executed as per expecatations.
app_engine, While what you say is true, it is equally applicable in all fields. So you cant say VM was the only who was left out. I would always consider VM equivalent to Veturi (dont pounce on me for this :) ). Both have immense talent to be wasted on insipid songs / situations / tunes. If you say VM has to get NA for all songs he has written, there may be many claimants for that