ஓ அப்படியா? அப்போ ஏன் "துலுக்கன்" என்ற வட்டார சொல்லில் இஸ்லாம் மத மக்களை குறிப்பிட பயன்படுத்துகிறார்கள்?Quote:
Originally Posted by kalyan
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ஓ அப்படியா? அப்போ ஏன் "துலுக்கன்" என்ற வட்டார சொல்லில் இஸ்லாம் மத மக்களை குறிப்பிட பயன்படுத்துகிறார்கள்?Quote:
Originally Posted by kalyan
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Originally Posted by venkkiram
Kalyan, the jury is out on that one isn't it ?
One side argues along the lines of what you said: that the losers of debates impaling themselves was the practice of the times and it was not a genocide as some ppl. are making it out to be today.
However, it is also counterargued, that, be that as it may, the impalement that followed GnAnasambandar's victory in Madurai, was huge and horrendous even by the sense of proportion of the age. And the extent of hatred against samaNargaL (whether warranted or unwarranted is another issue) in the texts would strike any spiritual seeker today to be odd.
By today's standards such an act in the name of religion strikes one as horrific doesn't it? That is the point being underlined there - that culture is NOT static. It keeps changing.
The 'Hindus' who get offended perhaps likes to think of sambandar as 'us' and samaNargaL as the 'other', so much so that it seems like Kamal is vilifying 'us'.
It is precisely here that the understanding is wrong. The religion of today, as you well know, is something that takes from all the past making the 'us' and 'them' totally irrelevant. Probably the asceticism from the jains has been internalized a lot. Heck, worship, rituals, way of life and pretty much every thing 'sambandar' was probably defending in his 'debate' is something we have little understanding about today.
I am not being holier than thou either. We will surely have our own 'us' and 'them' which is relevant to our times :-) But to think of the 'us' today as an exact continuation of the 'us' of the past is inappropriate. If this is understand, all debate about the past will be largely moved by academic curiosity only.
Bala,
AhA, the reference to RGV was a joke! There are filmmakers who are devout theists but their films have nothing to do with god. And on the other hand, Ram Gopal Varma is an atheist who keeps making supernatural thrillers/horror films.
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Originally Posted by Sarna
P_R,Quote:
Originally Posted by P_R
the descrepencies arise from the way of interpretation of the word "eNNAyiram"
one school assumes that 8000 jains (samanargal) were killed.
the other school interprets that 'eNNAyiram' is the town where the jains lived. hence, "eNNAyiram samaNargaL kazhuvEtrappattanar" actually implies that the jains of a particular locality committed suicide, their numbers may be much much lesser than 8000.
there is another school of thought that among the samanars of the town Ennayiram, only those priests who were involved in the debate committed suicide and the remaning Jains converted to Himduism and were absorbed s a distinct sect of Brahmins. even today, tamil iyers have three main divisions: VadamAL, BrahacharaNam and Ashtasahasram. the word "Ashta" (meaning 'eight') and 'sahasram' (meaning 'thousand') is a literal translation of eNNayiram. there is a school of thought that the ashtasahasram brahmins are the descendents of the jains from eNNayiram.
anyway, we dont have to go to historical details as we are only discussing Kamal's statement regarding the issue, where he says "sivan pErAl samaNargaL kazhuvEtrappattanar" and tries to portray Shaivies / hindus in a bad light. hence i asked, if he is neutral enough, why doesnt he raise his voice for those crores of hindus killed at the hands of invaders resisting conversion, and those hapless hindu women who underwent sexual slavery in the hands of invaders.
ஆனால் ஜெயமோகன், "சமணர்கள் கழுவேற்றம்" என்பதே நடந்திருக்க வாய்ப்பில்லை எனக் கூறுகிறார்.Quote:
Originally Posted by kalyan
உண்மை யாரிடம் சிக்கிக் கொண்டு தவிக்கிறது என்பதே தெரியவில்லை.
Jeyamohan RSS endru charu koorugiraar..
Rajni was born in 1949. 100% sure. even wikipedia had the year of birth as 1949 until 2 years back. in the meantime somebody has edited wikipedia and everybody has now started believing that rajini was born in 1950.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarna
then by default jayamohan isnt one :wink: :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Anban