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Finally, everyone seems to agree with at least some parts of the interview. At least he is voicing his views which is good though I find his response on Soodhu Kavvum disingenuous. I am glad he did not do VR with KH but I do hope he gets to direct KH with his own story (without any VFX)
I subscribe to Anban's response. Selva's response is spot regarding the state of TC. If SR shot VR-1, movie would've gone to AO level of indulgence.
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Originally Posted by Anban
This is how fake legends are created. All his movies have same narrative style . He is talking like cooked lentil about producers in south Indian cinema are a looking for quick returns etc etc.. what is he expecting people should fund projects even when its garbage in the name of experiments?
The only reason this guy have some name in the industry is because of the marketing done by the very same producers he is bad mouthing for his earlier movies :rant:.
I would definitely rate Vetrimaran above this guy, humbleness is key for success. Ask Mani saar !
I think Kamal did a better job with vishwaroop without this guy. I am pretty sure he would have added a rain sang in vishwaroop with kamal and some gillma
it is becos that ppl are dissing directors like SR, that we are still getting movies like singam and maryaan... people get the movies they deserve
No one will ditch anyone .. if they provide movies which people like period. Most of the Asians countries are poverty ridden countries.. where people go to cinemas for pure entertainment value not to see some psycho's 100 cr experiment because someone felt he should spend 100 cr to drive a message.Quote:
Originally Posted by NOV
just to quote an example for this discussion : Laagan , it was an experiment (though it had A K as lead) it was never done before. A period movie and cricket people laughed at the idea before its release. What happened after is history.
I am not sure if I would call Laagan, an experiment.
Genre : sports => could be new to IFI, and maybe experimental strictly on its reception, but the movie on the whole was straight forward, and luckily it stuck to its genre. If Laagan is expremental, then Ethir Neechal must be adressed the same way too.
Laagan is just a simple tale woven during the time of independence struggle. What made it stand alone is its cleverness in not bringing in the usual "Vandhe Matharam" every 5 minutes. But it deviated from it but showed the heart pounding clash between the Britishers and Indians in different way. That's where it tasted success.
Ethir neechan - Nagesh or the new one?Quote:
Originally Posted by mappi
The new one. I am aware many questions will be raised on "experimental movies". Not going in detail, just give you couple of examples :
Certain works of RGV : the last disaster movie Department. He tried to use 5D technique (showing the tea-cups walking or carom coins taking you with it while sliding ... etc.) which left most of the audience with head-aches.
Mumbai express : even though its absurd film making, anything absurd (most often) automatically generates itself to experimental. Not quite well received though.
Soodhu Kavvum : sleek shots, quick cuts, jumbled narrative style - clicked
But as I had mentioned, Laagan is straight forward, nothing experimented in film making.
Summary : Not that something new to the audience is "experimental" (maybe for BO success), but it strictly should come under film making techniques [includes editing, camera, screen-writing, narration and sometimes direction (check Revolver by Guy Ritchie or Nolan's Momento or Brad Anderson's The Machinist)]
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Movies with "twist" are not expremental too. Its just that the creator kept his best for the end (and they are decided by genres).
And Pizza's Torch light search was already tried by Mani Rathinam in Agni Natchathiram - strictly talking about "original-lighting-effect" and not the difficulty faced by the camera man & crew.
Lastly, there comes a confucius state where the movie cannot enter into any defined genres or its sub-genres, re-writing itself a nameless-unique-genre. Ex: Quentin Tarantino works. Whether its experimental or not is the true on-going debate.
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Originally Posted by mappi
If you call Laagan a Sports Genre movie ! sorry to say we are miles apart in our point of views. Does movie talk about rules of cricket in detail or does it promote cricket in anyway?. If that day brits were playing polo instead of cricket, movie would have gone with it. The only reason they picked cricket because its popular in present time to drive a narrative that's all. As per ME its a period movie (not sports or cricket) with a plot where a game was used to decided faith of poor villagers and very emotionally narrated story.
Comparing Laagan and Ethir neechal (A copy cat of Run fat boy Run??) Seriously??? Dude you have to see some good movies..
Whats with new to IFI :lol2:??
Pl revisit Laagan ! and let me know if you still think its a simple movie. What the hell you are supporting the point, which I am trying to make here.Quote:
Originally Posted by mappi
Laagan took a complex subject a period movie with people's emotions , British Rule , pre-independence social setup. And narrated it in such a way that MOST people
thought / think its a simple movie. Director was successful in his experiment.
We were discussing Indian Cinema saar. So quoting Aalyeewood has no meaning to it.