Which MD is best suited for Rajini?

Nakeeran,
Somewhere along the line, I kind of get a feeling that what you are intending to tell and what is mentioned is misleading and misinforming (this is my opinion, we can always disagree)

How would you rate Deva by your definition?
Here is my explanation:

Long innings : Yes

Depth of knowledge - I dont know

Variety - from Prashant movie to Nerukku Ner

Adaptability to the hero / heroene- Rajni, Kamal(Avvai Shanmugi), Nerukku Ner, Aasai

If one has the combination of all the above ( JUST AN EXAMPLE AS THE LIST WILL BE BIG ), YOU ARE A WINNER Thumbs Up!: Deva is also a winner

If someone is able to deliver the above consistently , he automatically gets elevated into higher league: he did this when he was active so he should be in a higher league right?

Well said MusicIsLife

Add some more characteristics for a Best MD

1) Music for all type of moods (without help of any video, i mean pure audio)

2) Music for all type of scenes (to be set with scenes, important for a film MD)

And I am thinking for next ........... got it

3) Originality (better percentage)

and one more

4) Pure Music (without help of any language/lyrics, i.e. music has no languages)

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Originally Posted by MusicIsLife

Nakeeran,
Somewhere along the line, I kind of get a feeling that what you are intending to tell and what is mentioned is misleading and misinforming (this is my opinion, we can always disagree)

How would you rate Deva by your definition?
Here is my explanation:

Long innings : Yes

Depth of knowledge - I dont know

Variety - from Prashant movie to Nerukku Ner

Adaptability to the hero / heroene- Rajni, Kamal(Avvai Shanmugi), Nerukku Ner, Aasai

If one has the combination of all the above ( JUST AN EXAMPLE AS THE LIST WILL BE BIG ), YOU ARE A WINNER Thumbs Up!: Deva is also a winner

If someone is able to deliver the above consistently , he automatically gets elevated into higher league: he did this when he was active so he should be in a higher league right?

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You've left out one important factor- ORIGINALITY. If u take that into a/c, then I think DEVA disqualifies and to some extent YSR too.

Ansa....,
I did not give the list, if it ORIGINALITY was added then I would have given some examples of Deva's gana tunes!!

PS: I am not a HC Deva fan!! please understand, this is just for argument sake.

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Originally Posted by Nakeeran

Scale, I think only once IR tried Its Masthana Masthana !

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Let me recall the earlier instance,

After Nayak's miserable failure in BO Shankar really pissed off and approached IR for his next venture "BOYS". Luckily IR accepted the project and they were seated for the initial discussions. Shankar explained the situation & requested IR to compose a song for his hero & friends (boys) in a kinda "Yekkam" for a Girlfriend (situation). IR replied ennappa nee idhe situation thaan yeppavume kondu poviya, naan thaan "april meyile pasumaye illai kaanji pochudannu yerkanave potrukenla", thannoda sondha kurale padi kaatraru. Anga pudicha vottam thaan next day london flighta pudichu nera ARR meet panna poraru. Shankar got an appointment from ARR busy composing ALW "BD" explained the same situation & requested him to compose a same "yekkam" song. Rahman took him for a drive, on the London streets to get some inspiration. Within a day Rahman composed a song "paal pole pathinaaril enakkoru girlfriend venum" with heavy rock stunning guitars. pa. vijay sent the lyrics over conferencing. Shankar was very happy, totally convinced with the song & return to india. Since he was confused how to picturize the song he forced Sujatha (after a busy schedule in writing novels & conducting Java seminars..) to accompany him for a drive in chennai for song shooting locations.
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Later only I came to know that Shankar & Sujatha were roaming around Spencer plaza, ranganathan street for song picturizations. :banghead:

IMO, IF at all there is one person who is totally ignorant of IR's composition then that's only "Shankar". That much he had been showered by ARR's magic. Ir - Shankar's combos is highly impossible. Shankar enna mudhal mariyadhaiya edukkuraaru.

Hi ansa400

You've left out one important factor- ORIGINALITY. If u take that into a/c, then I think DEVA disqualifies and to some extent YSR too.

Valid point. I got to read about Joshwa sridhar that he copied some tune for the latest release. Ridiculous to see he is doing it in the earlier stage itself. I think this one is main criteria , I think most of the new comers and those who aleady there will get disqualified immeidately for level said by Nakeeran.

I dont think YSR also deserves this level as he tend copy some extent.

ramesh

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Originally Posted by umaramesh

Hi ansa400

You've left out one important factor- ORIGINALITY. If u take that into a/c, then I think DEVA disqualifies and to some extent YSR too.

Valid point. I got to read about Joshwa sridhar that he copied some tune for the latest release. Ridiculous to see he is doing it in the earlier stage itself. I think this one is main criteria , I think most of the new comers and those who aleady there will get disqualified immeidately for level said by Nakeeran.

I dont think YSR also deserves this level as he tend copy some extent.

ramesh

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Ramesh,

ORIGINALITY

Immediately, I could think of KVM, G.Ramanathan, S.M.S

they were true class. Now a days I have been listening the oldies only because of the ORIGINALITY FACTOR.

I think Music is Life has brought disrepute to this thread by dragging in DEVA whose ulta name is VEDA , the eternal copy cat of tamil films

Why today IR's music is being admired stems from the fact that he WAS ORIGINAL

for those music lovers, ILAM PANI THULIR VIZUM NERAM is a stellar example of IR class ! :thumbsup: I think its a very old song of IR

For the kick start Rajini had in Podhuvaga en manasu thangam , he should thank IR for 10 generations

I think those days commercial viability is not much compare to present one. Even though VEDA use to do that but he was not rated as best and no followers for him . Quiet unfortunate that present day we know from where it has come (copied)but still appreciating the work. :x

ramesh

I think MusicIsLife has brought disrepute to this thread

Nakeeran:
I just explained logically all the points you mentioned,and did I stray away from the points, humbly asked what is your rating? it is like a flow chart of explanation. Nobody brings disrepute to anything. (If I bring in Shankar Ganesh/Chandrabose then I am misleading the thread).

My opinion is Deva could be suited for RK even now too (not the best fit).

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Originally Posted by Sanjeevi

Well said Nakeerare and all are same as in my view.

IMHO YSR has proved some/many (not all) of categories mentioned by you.

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closely I am watching this thread. some of the people apprenhensive about Yuvan's talent.

Dont You feel Yuvan is proving this? :shock:
Dont you feel Yuvan Leading the Race?

somebody saying about U1's articles. guys HINDU is the classical paper. they will give reliable matters only.Hindu saying that Yuvan is the new Youth icon Dont say that HINDU is the IR family supporter? :hammer:
all of the web media appriciating Yuvan's work. all the web media IR's family supporters?
India today give list of talented growing youngsters in TN .(i think 2004/2005)
in musical area, Yuvan got the place in the list.
India Today is IR family supporter?
AV gave the top 10 peoples of 2005.
Yuvan is the one guy alongwith likes of RK.
AV is IR's supporter?
Yuvan got the Best MD award in international cyprus film festival.
Yuvan's music satisfying international peoples.Yuvan's music has international charm. :D (Yuvan also planning for International pop album. :D )
Yuvan got the International best MD because of IR's son? :hammer:
go to the colleges and see the Yuvan's grace.
now he got more and more fans other than IR's fans.
Anti-IR groups always critisize Yuvan. :(

May be intial carrier of Yuvan is promoted by IR's fans. after sometime he is growing on his own. Please Leave him. he has to grow.

regarding inspirations,

MSV is not inspired? IR is not inspired? ARR is not inspired?
i dont want to give elaborate information regarding this.

Yuvan also inspiring. little bit higher than those people.
i think he is reducing that activity. his recent albums proove that.

guys Yuvan is late pick-up guy and he is the perfect hard worker. He is slowly improving in all areas. :) (You can feel that from aravindan to pudhupettai.)

sorry for dig.

Scale,
I heard similar incidents happened when Bala and Fazil tried to work with ARR..
Loser...try something different

Vasanth, whole of tamil media, i repeat , the entire tamil media are scared of IR.........so they dunt write anything bad abt IR or his family......dunt take all these as yuvan's achievements.....yes sure, he has given lots of hits in these 2 yrs, but HJ has given bigger hits than him.......and look at Himesh in 2005, he gave 14 albums or so and all of them were hits.......yuvan is doing nuthin out-of-ordinary.......he is yet another MD but just bcos of IR factor, he is getting all these accolades....

moreover, just show me one bad review abt YSR album....now, i guess, u'll accept Geethai as a bad album, but i never saw a bad article for that too....u know, ARR got bad reviews for classics like Karuthamma too.....tamil media were made to eat the humble pie when national media started raving abt ARR and then only they started realising ARR is not a small person to just shoo away.......

forgot to add nowadays Hindu is nuthin but tamil version of Dinakaran and Tamil Murasu........i'm not telling just bcos they wrote gud abt u1, but they really degraded enormously....

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Originally Posted by MADDY

Vasanth, whole of tamil media, i repeat , the entire tamil media are scared of IR...

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:shock: :roll: :huh: :?: :!: :? :idea: :) :D :lol: :mrgreen: :twisted: :rotfl: :P :tongueout: :poke: :thumbsup: :clap: :notworthy: :wave:

Hope this explains a lot :wink:

whole of tamil media, i repeat , the entire tamil media are scared of IR

Maddy:
this is completely bologne!! I totally disagree to it. Anyday show-biz people should be scared/worried and conscious about media not other way around.

MIL, i knew u wud come out opposing my point..... :lol:

Analyse this - its been 13 yrs since IR claimed that he had composed symphony in RPH, but we have no details abt it yet....not a single audio file, web-link, .jpg pic, not even a .wav file as a evidence........though IR fans claim that it is caught up in some rights issue, why hasnt a single tamil magazine/daily questioned this???....tamil media is "thuppuketta",spineless, jalra, chillara pasanga.........

(a special mention abt Dinakaran which raked up symphony issue but they did it in a ugly, vindictive way).......

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Originally Posted by buggle

Scale,
1. I heard similar incidents happened when Bala and Fazil tried to work with ARR..
Loser...try something different

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Who appointed you as a referee here? :roll: Like our self-acclaimed Master? :? Overly Matured?

Doesnt your first line shows ur disturbed ,unexplainable state & clearly signifies how poor are you in judgement (Loser...)

Ok Challenge :thumbsup:, Why restric only Bala/Fazil take from Annakili to Madhu give me various situation/diff genres (10) which ARR couldnt have composed. IF uyire uyire is close(what Master said) where is "april meyile" when compared to "Girlfriend". For (ex.) If IR has scored a song for amma (mannan) ARR have always scored an equivalent/better song like KM title song mothers expression to her adopted child in a conservative form.... :notworthy: Another Masterpiece is Udhaya Udhaya.. Seek Masters help :lol:

Be prepared: My list will be a severe attack mostly on various genres. It will show Rahman's major involvement & how he rejected outrightly every damn situation composing trend & instead changed the whole situation with an amazing presentation. Thats the major reason why most of his songs/films are super hits.

Recent one what I saw from IR is "Mr Bharath" pacha molaga kaaramillai maamanaarukku moolai :lol: illai. :banghead:

MIL, i knew u wud come out opposing my point
Maddy, No offense, i know your postings,
I am not opposing, but I feel it is kind-a not agreeable, logically speaking what you said.

And secondly if the magazine did not question, it might not be coz of being scared, but "there is no material that would get them sold"

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Originally Posted by MADDY

MIL, i knew u wud come out opposing my point..... :lol:

Analyse this - its been 13 yrs since IR claimed that he had composed symphony in RPH, but we have no details abt it yet....not a single audio file, web-link, .jpg pic, not even a .wav file as a evidence........though IR fans claim that it is caught up in some rights issue, why hasnt a single tamil magazine/daily questioned this???....tamil media is "thuppuketta",spineless, jalra, chillara pasanga.........

(a special mention abt Dinakaran which raked up symphony issue but they did it in a ugly, vindictive way).......

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I dont need anything. Just only the credit list. Who were all actually involved?. How come ARR knew/heard about this symphony to comment thats genuine. Why this wasnt asked to ARR after that? :evil:

IR is the best and is the most suited for Rajini. IR is a genius who has been in the industry for decades. ARR fans(some) mock or chastise IR if they don't like his recent outcomes but they must know how YSR fans or any other new generation MD fans will laugh at ARR few decades later. It's better they accept IR is the best and move on than whining or finding every chance to objurgate. It's really pestering to hear from Nakeeran(ulter ego of an ARR fan) his famous saying "IR lost his old touch."

Scale,
Good that you mentioned, I love "Amma endru azhaikada" for three things (1. IR, 2. Yesudas, 3. I love my mom) this was a nostalgic song as one of the fans of RK, and the song is still close to my heart.
But I do agree, my pick in the amma sentiment song goes to ARR's Pavithra song "Uyirum neeyae, Unarvum neeye" song, the reasons being amazing lyrics by Vairamuthu.
All in all that song was awesome and UnniK sung is so nicely.

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Originally Posted by MusicIsLife

Scale,
Good that you mentioned, I love "Amma endru azhaikada" for three things (1. IR, 2. Yesudas, 3. I love my mom) this was a nostalgic song as one of the fans of RK, and the song is still close to my heart.
But I do agree, my pick in the amma sentiment song goes to ARR's Pavithra song "Uyirum neeyae, Unarvum neeye" song, the reasons being amazing lyrics by Vairamuthu.
All in all that song was awesome and UnniK sung is so nicely.

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what abt "chinna thaayavazh" from thalapathy!

my favourite "amma song"

MIL,

Thats a great song. Actually it was the first song which striked me immediately for this analysis. But how many knew about this song which bombed in BO thats why I picked KM song to show it a sentimental feel. Isnt the national award for UK picked for ennavale & uyirum neeye. There is one more song which Rahman composed is "Oh Bosnia" adopted in Pukar "Ek Tuhi Barosha" will make me cry.... weep...weep. Its a Mothers call to the childrens of the nation. Rahman also composed one more song for Abdul Kalam with kids vocals during republic day.

Lukka Chuppi,Maa Tujhe Salam, kalayil dhinamum kanvizhithal, Theeyil are other great compositions etc...

Lukka chuppi is a all time gr8 song..........i wish shivaji also has a amma sentiment song........Rahman revels in amma/patriotic songs.......... :thumbsup:

Amma songs

IR many songs

Amma enralaikkatha
Nanaka naan illai thayee
Petha manasu
and more more

ARR

Kalaiyil thinamum
Uyirum neeyae, Unarvum neeye

YSR

Aarariraro

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Originally Posted by MADDY

Vasanth, whole of tamil media, i repeat , the entire tamil media are scared of IR.........so they dunt write anything bad abt IR or his family......dunt take all these as yuvan's achievements.....yes sure, he has given lots of hits in these 2 yrs, but HJ has given bigger hits than him.......and look at Himesh in 2005, he gave 14 albums or so and all of them were hits.......yuvan is doing nuthin out-of-ordinary.......he is yet another MD but just bcos of IR factor, he is getting all these accolades....

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Hey do you have any logic in your post?
what is the necessity for the media being scared of IR?
is IR politician? will he revenge them?
moreover Hindu, India Today are tamil media? :roll:
why you are not telling that the international people(cyprus award commity) are also scared of IR?(Best MD award in cyprus film festival) :banghead:
i think you are scared of Yuvan's success.
I can provide the details regarding this man. the same Maddy supports Yuvan firmly like Yuvan is in the League of ARR,IR.

guys please read this thread carefully.

http://tfmpage.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=4914

athu eppadi maddy almost 1 year munnadiye, Yuvan has all the credentials, Now He is the ordinary MD. you listed the supporting points for yuvan. Now the whole media is praising Yuvan because the whole media is scared of IR. :rotfl:
why the transition maddy?
why?
because when yuvan comes to take over from ARR, you are unable to accept the fact(yuvan's take over), so You are blaming Yuvan.
Dont Act man.

You people can not hide Yuvan's success man.
from your posts i can say confidently that You are more biased towards ARR. :wink:
after this also, if you are maintain your policy(acting like Yuvan is the ordinary MD), then i can only pity on you. :huh:
Let us enjoy good music man. this is the yuvan's turn.

another fact is that if a person successful in bollywood only here some of the people accepting them as the talented guy.
IMHO, Eppavume HFMvida TFM oru padi melathan. because here only very excellent talented persons are coming.
you take IR or ARR or YSR or VS or HJ, these people always more talented then any film music people in india. (some exceptions like himesh). (IR periodukku apparam solren. enakku athukku munnadi theriyadhu.)

another fact is that if a person successful in bollywood only here some of the people accepting them as the talented guy.
IMHO, Eppavume HFMvida TFM oru padi melathan. because here only very excellent talented persons are coming.
you take IR or ARR or YSR or VS or HJ, these people always more talented then any film music people in india. (some exceptions like himesh). (IR periodukku apparam solren. enakku athukku munnadi theriyadhu.)

Vasanth2006/Music Lover,

I would not brand like that, it would be a disgrace if you mentioned this with stalwarts like RD Burman, Naushad, Lakshmikant Pyarelal and others!! HFM has grown technically better in visualizing the song than TFM and ARR is filling in the gaps at HFM anyways.

Nilavu,
it was my pick, now that you made me think, Chinna thayaval is also close to my heart, but the lyrics in uyirum neeyae is almost the best I have ever heard.

"Un Kannil vazhiyum oru thuli podum intha kadalum muzhgum thaaye" and the kicker "boomikku athanal nimmathi illai, sami thavithan, thayai padaithan"

PS:
People like songs for different reasons, probably i am more attached owing to the fact the Radhika (mothers character) had a similar disease like my mother did.

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Originally Posted by vasanth2006

Hey do you have any logic in your post?
what is the necessity for the media being scared of IR?
is IR politician? will he revenge them?
moreover Hindu, India Today are tamil media? :roll:
why you are not telling that the international people(cyprus award commity) are also scared of IR?(Best MD award in cyprus film festival) :banghead:
i think you are scared of Yuvan's success.
I can provide the details regarding this man. the same Maddy supports Yuvan firmly like Yuvan is in the League of ARR,IR.

guys please read this thread carefully.

http://tfmpage.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=4914

athu eppadi maddy almost 1 year munnadiye, Yuvan has all the credentials, Now He is the ordinary MD. you listed the supporting points for yuvan. Now the whole media is praising Yuvan because the whole media is scared of IR. :rotfl:
why the transition maddy?
why?
because when yuvan comes to take over from ARR, you are unable to accept the fact(yuvan's take over), so You are blaming Yuvan.
Dont Act man.

You people can not hide Yuvan's success man.
from your posts i can say confidently that You are more biased towards ARR. :wink:
after this also, if you are maintain your policy(acting like Yuvan is the ordinary MD), then i can only pity on you. :huh:
Let us enjoy good music man. this is the yuvan's turn.

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i still maintain that YSR is the best of the lot.......he will definitely take over from ARR one day........but HJ is also gud, VS is also gud.........its bcos of IR's fans and IR-centric media, that YSR is getting undue advantage over other MDs in this race.......that's the major concern.......all these star ppl. try to promote their kids, rite from sonia gandhi to Bharathiraja.....i vehemently oppose it........i think this is the fate of India now...... :cry:

moreover, its just me and not any other ARR fan is raising this issue...ok......so dunt call "you ppl" when u answer me...... :D

coming back to the topic, i'm watching Mudhalvan rite now on KTV......heard that Rajini was supposed to do Mudhalvan.....if shankar-Rajni-ARR combo had worked that day, today Rajini cud have become CM....wat script, screenplay and perfect BGM.......if rajini wud have done it, Mudhalvan wud have become Sholay of Tamil Cinema

Listening to Mudhalvan songs, i guess Shankar-ARR shuld go for a folk-based album just like mudhalvan......it is a very safe bet......just have one "hep" song like shakalaka baby and rest folk songs like kurukku chiruthavale, azhagana ratsatchi, Uppu karavadu.........FOLK songs rarely fail-proof is the illustrious career of IR......waddya guys think....

usage of sanskrit chantingsin BGM and the use of shlokas in the scene where Arjun gets bathed by milk is really commendable by ARR.......great innovation...... :D

hi maddy, i saw mudhalvan yesterday on TV. I was really wondering how it wud have been if rajni had been in arjun's place. This film is tailor made for rajni! I hope shivaji is as good as this.

The BGM was awesome! ARR rocked in everyframe. But it is not sanskrit chantings in BG. those are inspired from a german musical work called Carmina Burana. You can sample them at amazon.com . That *"type"* of music is used almost everywhere. It reallly gave goosebumps :D

Hi
saw MUDHALVAN and I will rate AZHAGANA RATCHAESIYA top ten of ARR. What a beat. :clap: Out of the world when SPB sings KILLIYAE .
Nice BGM especially when ARR used above tune in different instruments(whenever ArJun meets his lover). Very melodious.

Ramesh

just a suggestion....listen to Azhagana Ratchasiye in Hindi [ Chidhiya tu Hoti ].its the same tune & beat but listen to how ARR rearranged the vocal to make it sound different...and yes....the feel of the hindi song too is a TOTAL diff from the tamil 1...just give it a try!!!

So this thread is slowing becoming another arena to glorify YSR :lol: vow. Links are being established to project him as future TFM king! If he comes up with something new , lets welcome BUT NOT UNDER IR'S SHADOWS / UMBRELLA.

Why noone has the largeheartedness to appreciate HJ or VS also ? Wonder :evil: :evil:

Are we losing any of our egos if we praise MDs other than YSR or KR ?

On a quick running of this thread, now it appears like this :

IR/YSR/KR vs

ARR/HJ/VS/ Others

It only reflects short sighted approach and with closed mindset

SAD

Nakeeran
please ellorum ippo urupadiya amma sentiment, RK for mudhalvannu etho topic-kku yetha mathiri pesiraangale vittu vidungalaen

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Nakeeran
please ellorum ippo urupadiya amma sentiment, RK for mudhalvannu etho topic-kku yetha mathiri pesiraangale vittu vidungalaen

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manichidunga. Naan rendu naala jute vituten. Kalayil padithal oray YSR pugazpadal. adhan sonnen.
Amma sentimentu padalgal . Oho !
The first 3 songs comes to my mind immediately are :

1. Amma endru azaikadha
2. Kalayil dhinamum kan
3. Sakthi kodu ( thayum neyay thandhayum neeyay sentence )

Wonder why MDs of yesteryears are not being considered if you guys are talking about AMMA SENTIMENT.

Nakeeran
Actually it started with RK amma sentiment song, and just got digressed coz of what scale mentioned, then we reverted back to chinna thayaval from Dalapathy!!
the intent is to not just thread on Amma sentiment, but to stick atleast close to the topic and see RK + SUITED MD and highlight the various moods/emotions and songs/bgm

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"Wonder why MDs of yesteryears are not being considered" analum ungalukku kusumbu thane, soka? just kidding, dont take it seriously

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Nakeeran
Actually it started with RK amma sentiment song, and just got digressed coz of what scale mentioned, then we reverted back to chinna thayaval from Dalapathy!!
the intent is to not just thread on Amma sentiment, but to stick atleast close to the topic and see RK + SUITED MD and highlight the various moods/emotions and songs/bgm

PS:
"Wonder why MDs of yesteryears are not being considered" analum ungalukku kusumbu thane, soka? just kidding, dont take it seriously

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Adhavadhu, endha sub-topic romba vasadhiyo , adhai eduthukondu kizi kizi endru kizipadhu ?
Needless, IR has a big list even on Amma sentiments . I suspect a smart move by some hardcore IR fan here to divert the topic to amma sentiment.

Eppadi ellarum ippadi judgemetn pass panreenga against ARR ?
Countless number of IR scores for RK and just 3 from ARR.
purely on arithmatical numbers , IR already has been ahead .
Naan solluvadhellam, ARRukkum konjam vaaipu kodungal. Pudhiya padhayai kaatuvar .

LETS HAVE AN UNBIASED OPINION ON ARR PLS.

Nakeeran,

Ippo enna sollavareenga? ethai sonnalum kutham kandu pidichukittu.

I accept ARR is the gr8est ever, nobody can give music other than ARR, if ARR was not born, there would not be word called "music", r u happy, does it satisfy an UNBIASED Opinion, whomever the actor is, RK, KH OR ANYBODY, the most suited is ARR. TFM is ruled by ARR music only, nobody can even think of better BGM for any movie, it will always be sub-par compared to ARR.
Podhuma?

idhula ivar neutral-am..

I am not going to reply to you any more.