tekton,Quote:
Originally Posted by tekton
Please leave LAL KITAB. It is not Indian astrology as per the tenets.
Stick to MAHARSHI PARASHAR'S principles.
Nichiro
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tekton,Quote:
Originally Posted by tekton
Please leave LAL KITAB. It is not Indian astrology as per the tenets.
Stick to MAHARSHI PARASHAR'S principles.
Nichiro
Nichiroji..
i dont know much about astrology but interested in learning.
I came across a book titled "poorva parasharyam", published by Saraswathi mahal library of Thanjavur, in which the "dasa-bukthi" has been mentioned differently. It is said to be taken from the principles of Parashar and also from "Brihath jAthakam".
I just know that the dasa of the birth star will run from the time of birth ( remaining time of the star during the date of birth ) and then according the the list given in almanac.
But in this book the dasas are given in different way such as.. total period is 108 years and the first dasa is always ravi dasa.. etc.
will you please clarify in simple manner ?
Madhu,Quote:
Originally Posted by madhu
What you are talking about is Astottari dasa . But in this case, as you said, it has a fixed starting dasa . This is very interesting , I would love to get a translation of this book if there is any.
Nichiro
Nichiroji,
Saraswathi Mahal is publsihing in limited numbers only and sometimes we may have to wait for a very long period. you must be knowing that these texts are taken from the old palm leaf manuscripts kept there. This one was published in 1993.
I borrowed this book ( tamil version ) from my friend.
I donno about English or other language editions. Let me check with some friends at thanjavur and inform you
madhu,
I would love to know more about this book and its principles.
I have put this info on yahoo group and will let you know more if I get some info.
Thanks
Nichiro
Thanks Tekton for your nice explanation... Many of us accept that the present day science is not adequate to explain how many things work. But for the scientific validation, it is not necessary that one has know how it works but whether it works or not in under controlled environment and repeatable or not. For example, we can take the same example of testrogen and estrogen harmones. If we take 100 human and divide in to three group randomly and give 1/3 with Blue coded (say testrogen) and 1/3 with white coded (say glucose) and 1/3 with green coded (say estrogen), we can find more than 90% people with Blue coded shows more hair growth and stiffer muscles etc etc , which are the few signs of testrogen. 90% people who had been given with white coded one shows no reaction. This kind of clinical trial is called closed placebo trials and is the simple way to prove things works.Quote:
Originally Posted by tekton
But most of the astrologers take low probability coincidental incidences as proof and blow up such case as proof of astrology and ignore large percentage of failed incidences. To prove one thing is working or not, the statistics should be very clear first. Thats why I have been calling so called veterans here for similar placebo trial. I am not very keen to know how it works but whether it works or not. It is not for the sake of clearing doubt of one useless and irritating fellow like me but for the sake of humanity.
There is a connection among test and growing hair - no doubts, but that is only an descriptive relation, and you dont know how testosteron phisically influence cells and what does it do to them. But the more important thing is how test influence man caracter. How I get exiced when i see apritty girl? Scientifficlly please!
Knowledge is wery wide thing which goes beyond science. It is not neccesary to have an scientific proof to accept some knowledge. There is lot of humane knowledge which is not scientificlly aprouved, which we accept. The main corp of it is in "sayings" among common people, which teach us what to do, and we accept it. From our grandmas, for instance. To take this to the edge: I dont need physical evidence to accept gods existance, because it exists in all human cultures. God may physically exist or may not, but its of no relevance, because its reprecusions on earthlu culture in all nations, ain all times, exists strongly and visibly.
Lets do experiment. please provide one room with 100 man aries, and in another 100 libras man. I bet that soon from the first room youll hear the sounds of soccer game, and from another the sound of some music... :)
of course it is difficult to provide this and to obtain controlable circumstances ... I already wrote that it is quite easy to guess someones sun sign after a while (guessing other persons signs, for freshmen students of astrology is very popular game :) ). I dont want to be an advocate of western astrology here, but i have to recomend an popular book "Sun signs" by Linda Goodmen. It is very good coffie table book for starters, where anubody can easilly find the ways to recognize sun sign differences .....
nichiro, is there any key for 16.Feb girl?
tekton,
what do you mean by "key"?
You mean solution to her problems?
Please let me know
Nichiro
yes, some remedy that coul unleash
beneficual influence in her chart
16-th Feb case.....
tropical chart for this chart is more-or-less simple for explanation because she has many inauspicious houses (6,8,12) that can easily produce obstacles. Lot of deb. planets as well.
But sidreal (vedic) chart is simply too powerful with its strong and benefic positions (JU own, MA, own, both in trikonas, aspected as well...... SO ME MO 7-th, RA-6-th, SA 10-th......) to produce that much problems.... and I cant see any strong cruical malefic influence in her chart. I dont fancy "percetage explanations" much, when in one chart you have clean strong positions. Also, strong and powerfull positions, ( 2 benefic trikonas; 4 planet in kendras), should at least give an person that has an grip on his/her life, and it looks to me that she has no controll at all.
The only explanation that i managed to see is that maybe her mercury is poisonious, and that ME is causing that much problems.
She had an "strong" life: traveled all around the world, master education (reienesance literature in some Chicago univercity), etc... But she waisted a milion $ , donated her Paris apartment to some stupid organisation, father and mother died rather tragically (ilness), she had an nervous brake down, from which she is getting out very slowlly.
According to this data, It looks to me that ME is very strong, being not malefic , but POISONIOUS! Ruining all other good things in chart. How you can see it her chart? If I didnt know her, I would not recognize this ME doing so bad.... ME is in 7-th house (which is good), with friends (SO, MO) , ruler of 11-th and 2-nd, !?!?!?!?!?
the only bad thing is SA aspect from 10-th ...............................?
Sorry if I wrote some stupid things, because I am very fresh in jyotish... also there is a language problem ....
tekton
what could be an remedy for her?
mercury remedy? or saturn ???
tekton,Quote:
Originally Posted by tekton
I am not sure if whatever remedial measures I suggest , will be followed by your friend.
I need an assurance from her in order to prescribe my remedies.
Nichiro
good point!
but, theoretically speaking, what would be your course of thoughts, interpretng her chart.
Could you guys please, try to analyse those born on the 7th May 1992? Thanks! :D
Hi Nirosha,
Seeing you here after a LOOOOOONNNNNNGGGG break, welcome back :clap:
Hello again Hubbers!! :D Yup, been busy with my own exile into unchartered territories, Pa!!
But ahem, still no analysis for my question, huh? :cry:
tekton,Quote:
Originally Posted by tekton
Theoratically , predictions should not be given. Neither should the remedies.
Please ask your friend to make a request.
Nichiro
Nirosha sen,Quote:
Originally Posted by nirosha sen
Only complete birth details can help. Please post the details.
N
I can't, Im not in that kind of relation with her. Im not trying to get an free consultation here.... I was just trying to have an (academic) discusion with you..Quote:
Originally Posted by Nichiro
Regards, Tekton
i have posted the sani peyarchi for this year... check it out.. ppl.. and yessss... astrology.. i have deeepp faith in vedic astro.. but the prob is some quacks tell nonsense and spoil da authenticity of the science
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.Why even Some Wise-persons..MISERABLY FAIL.?"
SHANI (Saturn) is the Planet of FATE... EXTERNAL INFLUENCES, Obligations and BINDINGS.
..While BUDHA (Mercury) the Planet of Wisdom... is also the Planet of DECISION- MAKING.
So if anybody is found often to repeant on his WRONG DECISIONS of the past..
...in spite of better opportunities also parallelly available...
...we can invariably note the Budha (Mercury) badly placed or aspected in his Horoscope
Such a person can be precaucious more than others..
...and take decisions on every important affair.. in consultation with any of his Competent Advisers only.
And if any highly competent person... is placed as a Subordinate to a Sub-standard person...
...we can invariably find Sani.. badly placed or aspected.
Such a person also can be Successful in the LONG RUN... if he WORKS SINCERELY...
...TOWARDS THE SUCCESS of his Boss... Even if incompetent and UNDESERVING he may be.
Sani is a planet... who plays pre-dominantly on Haughty persons of Audacity, Over-Ego or Dictatorial...
...at the proper time when he comes to power... in the relevant case....
...like Sade-saathi, Ashtama-Sani or Ardhasshtama-Sani.
Ultimately he sets down to Normalcy... after getting unforeseen Circumstantial Blows after Blows persistently...
...driving out his Over-Ego
Besides... Pray Anjaneya, or Venkateswara...
..since specifically concerned... for SANI... as per Puranas...and...
...as OBSERVED PRACTICALLY too.
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. Horoscope a LICENSE to become AUTOCRATIC.?
I have observed in practical Life... that in some cases...
... the Horoscopic predictions... miserably FAIL TOO.!! Why? How?
One case for Example.
One rich Man... only son born rich to a pious father at his age 50's...
...after several fervent prayers and rituals.. for about 30 years
The son held a VERY EXEMPLARY Raja Yoga Jathakam... a Grand lucky Horoscope... with several rare Yogas..
..enough to easily and categorically predict a TOTALLY SUCCESSFUL ROYAL LIFE...
...and that he will become A KING.. backed by unbeatable Happiness.
...richer and richer in all respects.. in course of Life.
It proved correct... by immensely affectionate parents being their only child late-born...
..that too a son to rule over their mass properties of sorts...
.. extremely beautiful and whole-heartedly loving wife
But did he truly enjoy life? ... No.
How far he made use of his rare INNATE LUCK... to his own best advantage.?
Pitiable.! How?
He did not properly attend to school and discontinued the studies at Elementary School stage itself....
...became very haughty and autocratic... and as a SADIST too.
He used to voluntarily approach the rich widows and say" See my dear madam, you are after all a lady.. that too uneducated. So anybody can cheat you.... and I pity you.
..So if you authorise me to manage your huge property, I can render a Humanitarian service to you... FREE OF COST"
Innocent ladies used to believe and hand over their properties.. through Power of Attorney.
But Alas.! All Hypocricy.!!
This Wicked crook used to swallow the property by playing cunning games.
This is one sort of example amongst his several ways of Jackal-schemes.
If the innocent victims approach the court of law... this Crook used to approach the Astrologers...
..and openly boast to all...
"Oh.. I will become ultimately successful.. You can see the Judgement will be rendered on so and so date"
That used to become correct...even the advance prediction on the date of judgement.
Poor widows innocent victims.. used to become paupers pitiably....ILLEGALLY...and UNJUSTLY too.!
He divorced his EXEMPLARY Good and wealthy wife in all respects...
Secured several Concubines... of cheap calibre.
Became a heavy DRUNKARD... with Bad association of low charactered friends circle.
Father of robust health... suddenly died out of Heart attack...
...denouncing his son... not to perform his Ceremonial death-rites.
Mother and Wife left him and lived together at one House...but away from this crook.
Even then he used to proudly claim... "You see, my mother will die on so and so date. Her properties will come to me...
...even contrary to her legal Will..."
To everybody's wonder the Astrolgical predictions used to become proved correct.
Similarly his rich wife's property too... were gained by him... after her death...
...by fighting against the Legal strength of his wife.
Even with all that... did he enjoy life.?
No.! .. because he claimed that he was born to live as a King and will always win over all others...
...according to his Yoga Jathakam.!
All went on correct... as per his Lucky Horoscope... upto his age 45..
..Then.... incredibly TURNED AGAINST.!!
Yes... Even his normal and legal rights... were miserably failing.
He ran to different leading Astrologers.. frequently. All of them unanimously said ...
"You need not fear... As per your Horoscope you will win over all the hurdles and problems...
...ultimately become more SUCCESSFUL and richer too...
...and will die as a Multi-millioner only... Yes UNDOUBTEDLY"
But ...in reality... such predictions FAILED TOTALLY... and MISERABLY.
All his enormous wealth... were lost to Concubines and Wicked Friends.
He became heavily sick with contageous diseases...UNCOUNTABLY.!
At least did he die as a Rich Man... conforming to His Astrological predictions?
No.No... He passed his last chapter of life... Eight years... as a Beggar.!
..His dead body was carried by the Municipal Dirt Garbage Cart
...and was cremated as an Orphan.!!
...Totally CONTRARY to Horoscope predictions.!!..
Yes. ASTROLOGY FAILED in this case.!!!
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Do you mean those who distort it? Or, those who reject it off as pseudo-science?Quote:
Originally Posted by chevy
Oh sorry, I read your post again, I'm sure you meant those who distort it..
Science? – how on earth is it science?Quote:
Originally Posted by thilak4life
- 1.Have the tenants/claims of astrology been peer reviewed by scientists?
2.Have the claims undergone double blind testing?
3.Have any paper been published in reputed science journals about it?
4.And a trivial yet important question is whether the tenants of astrology are subject changes or correction or can it be rendered obsolete by any new [tested] scientific findings?
If the answers to these questions are No, I would advice people to rather stop calling it science. And please stop giving it undeserved credibility by doing so.
Ramesh, I was about to say that. That's why I termed it as a "Pseudo-Science", in any case, you wouldn't get to-the-point replies here, so what's the point? Forget it..
Well, right... :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by thilak4life
Have you read The Demon Haunted World by Carl Sagan? Some people really need to read one...
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. Believers WELCOME.!!. Non-believers KEEP OFF Please.!
Dear Friends,
We, the Commonmen, the Clients of Astrology.. believe this GREAT INDIAN TREASURE of OCCULT SCIENCE...
..very useful in practice for our Meaningful Life...
...by advance precaution and Guidance...
..as practically observed and applied..
..and we are happy with it.
We, especially myself are fully convinced on this factor.. true to the Topic Thread wordings here-above.
I am not benefitted by the gain of Propoganda for Astrology... because neither I am an Astrologer consultant...
...nor in anyway a commercial beneficiary...
..other than just a CLIENT... for the past about Six decades.
If anyone of you are OPEN-MINDED enough to know the truth and worth of this Vedic Science...
.. and so curious to know more... IN YOUR OWN INTERESTS...
..are WELCOME... to read the past postings...
..quite Valuable for Successful and Happy Life by means of Typical Document of Life-Warning and Guidance for everybody in a unique manner.
Contrarily, if any of you do not want to believe so..
..Well.. You need not believe.
Please DO NOT WASTE YOUR TIME AND ENERGY...
..as well as ours, the Believers...
... by Criticising this Sacred Science...
..and HURTING our feelings anymore.
Nobody advocates nor insists you to believe it. You need not. So Please keep off.
..And please allow us, to carry on in our own way of Faith...
... the Indian Vedic Values.
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Absolutely, if they only believe in themselves, I guess, this very thing pushes them to 'believe' in whatever they want to. Believers WELCOME.!!. Non-believers KEEP OFF Please.!Quote:
Originally Posted by c4ramesh
Since it's just a matter of 'belief', it doesn't qualify as 'science', where it's built by evidence and reason. So, End of story..
Respected Sudhaama,
I could go on to point out the contradictions in your post. But, as you had pointed out questioning your faith is not something you like nor do you encourage it [talk about being open minded]. Sarcasm apart, my humble request is to stop calling astrology a science. Science simply doesn't work that way. Science encourages questioning, there is no question that can be called a dumb one in science, even if it means questioning the very roots of today’s scientific facts & the way science works.
I have no problems with this thread per se, but I certainly do have problems with some calling astrology a science.
Faith, is believing w/o proofs & science, to the contrary is based purely on evidence & proofs. Faith and science don't go hand in hand. I have no qualms in keeping off this thread but please do stop calling it [astrology] science, if can’t meet the requirements for being called so. I simply don’t understand the logic behind asking us to keep off the thread claiming that we hurt your feelings, but show complete disregards to the legitimate feelings of others. Is it that, only believers have feelings and disbelievers don’t have one?
Thanks for reading.
Dear ANTAGONISTS Friends,Quote:
Originally Posted by c4ramesh
You are at Liberty to have any Conclusion Pro or Anti on this GREAT TREASURE of Knowledge intended FOR HUMANITY...
...in your own interests... on your Own way and Reasonong.
I do not Question... nor Decry.
But please do not come in our way..
Yes. I am well convinced that ASTROLOGY IS AN OCCULT SCIENCE...
..as declared by the Internationally Authentic Forecaster... Mr CHEIRO my Guru.
I need not convince others.. especially those Antagonists...who have decided to differ and protest.
How and why I am convinced... is a reserved Private matter... confined to my personal bounds.
However I do not discourage you from your Freedom of personal conclusions, belief and discussions of your own choice and aspect.
For such varied discussions on this single Subject ASTROLOGY...
..there exists Three other Threads in our Forum here...
... already discussing on different Aspects...
..one of which is the same angle of Thought...
...Whether Astrology is a Science or Not?..
You are welcome to discuss in that relevant Thread...
...initiated by Mr. Rohit... who is like-minded with you Antagonists.
..and NOT HERE ANYMORE HERE Please..
..since the Scope and Purview of this Thread is totally different...
Or else you can open a New Thread... whatever you may feel proper..
...and discuss there... at your own free will...
...Complying with the Regulations of our Hub...a Global Forum...
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Calling it faith, doesn't leave room for any discussion. Science is the opposite of faith. So thank you for understanding. Good luck and have a nice day.. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Sudhaama
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Current Deeds Outcome.. SUPERSEDES at One Stage.!!.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sudhaama
i mean "quacks" ... fake astrologers ....Quote:
Originally Posted by thilak4life
Sri Sudhaama wrote,
"Yes. ASTROLOGY FAILED in this case.!!! |
I think it is the Astrologer who failed and not Astrology.
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.Why Astrology fails in some cases.. beyond certain stage.?
Dear Nichiro,Quote:
Originally Posted by Nichiro
I doubt... perhaps you have just browsed on my detailed posting...
..where I have analytically narrated... how Astrology came true.. cent per cent...
...UPTO CERTAIN STAGE of Life.. exclusively in THIS CASE...
,,.where the Holder took light on Astrology... taking it as granted...
..and that he had every freedom to commit even worst crimes...
..taking shelter on his Horoscope Strength...
Which WRONG NOTION... has been established by the Law of God's Doctrine of Righteousness.
So all his Astrological strength.. overpowered the outcome of his misdeeds upto cerain stage...
..and then bounced back...
..because HOROSCOPE IS NOT A LICENSE to commit any Sin by audacity.
I wonder you being an Astrological Scholar... instead of welcoming my practical data of Factual Life...
..which can be useful for your further Research on Astrology..
You are just CONDEMING my authentic news...
...on which all the concerned Astrologers... agreed that despite their sincere later predictions...
It has failed because of Over-Sins committed in this birth... overpowering the Horoscopic might... based on previous births outcome.
The past predictions on the same Horoscope proved correct until one stage previously...
...but not when the crimes exceeded beyond tolerable limit by the innocent victims.
On this I reported then to Mr. B.V.Raman the Chief Editor of ASTROLOGICAL MAGAZINE OF INDIA...Bangalore.
He took up this Research subject in the Annual Issue of the Magazine... by a team of Astrological Scholars...
..who quoted several such cases... where the Horoscopic predictions have failed beyond certain stage in practical life...
..either POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE...commensurate with ones deeds in the present birth.
And he had quoted Varahamihira Slokam... which means that Astrological predictions of previous births...
..will work in conjunction with the outcome of current birth deeds..
.. as one conducts himself...
...either as the worst Sinner or contrary as the best emulative Gentleman of Virtuous life currently.
So to say... if one conducts himself / herself good enough towards Dharma/ Righteousness...
..it definitely mitigates the Onslaughts of Horoscopic ill-outcome of previous birth.
Contrarily... if one is born with a Lucky Horoscope..
..but behaves as the worst criminal towards others..
Astrology does not protect or support or UNDULY DEFEND such WORST SINNERS for ever...
...but only until his past Good account is cleared...
..by means of UNDUE LUCK... running counter to his grave Sinful deeds in the current birth..
That too only upto certain stage in current life.
Then it bounces back.. true to his values in the current birth.
..irrespective of the SAME HOROSCOPE... Contrary to Reality.
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. How Astrology HELPS in LIFE for All.!
Astrology is the developed Sasthra on the Gospel of Vedas... made by GOD...
..to safeguard Mankind by their own Precautionary and Preventive measures in Day-to day Life. How.?
For example... if in one's Horoscope... the Angaraka (Mars) is placed in Lagna..
..it indicates his/her Complex propensities of DYNAMISM coupled with PRACTICAL APPROACH on Life...
..alongside RASHNESS in taking Decisions or Impressions on Situations and Persons.
So it means... he is innate with both the POSITIVE and NEGATIVE rare potentialities to confront all odds and challenges in Life...
... but must be careful and avoid taking sudden decisions on any important matter...
..should consider other parallel options too, on the same predicament plight and plan...
..and if necessary consult with some other persons close and trustworthy.
Similarly he must not form any impression... nor doubt on anybody easily or hastily..
...even though his wisdom may present him an adequate picture in his opinion.
By means of his such safeguard measures... he can be the LEADING WINNER anywhere... on any tasks..
...excelling his competitive THEORETICIANS.. in any Country and Era...
..under any Challenging situations... however great and tough it may be....
...ultimately ensuring remarkable and SURE SUCCESS.!!!
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Yaravathu 01/06/1980 (9A.M) poranthavangaluku life eppadi irrukumnu sollungapa :roll:
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Engae.? Yendha Oorilae.?...Quote:
Originally Posted by Prabo
..Adhan Longitude mukkiyam... Oorai sonnaal poadhum.
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