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Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram
Ada, oru safety ku appadi sonnen-ga, context karudhi.. idhukkum avar vera thread la confess pannadhukkum sammandham illai :razz:
CR, I dont differ. But Vivs' point was kind of re-interpreted or mis-interpreted into somethign else. Both Kamal and NT, and even Rajni, infact, we all agreed that we dont have to bring them here in the context of this thread. AvangaLai, koNdu vandha, Dhanush, Maddy, Surya ellam discuss panna mudiyadhupa :-(
Yes, I am with Vivs on the bias against "LMIA" school. I am not concerned with that as much as the results - biggest example, Vikram's Sithan, which most of "LMIA" critics discount. You see only PR and myself defending that performance - I dont care if Vikram was trying to show he can "Act"; that role worked in that movie, and he contributed in a big way to that. Watch Upendra in Kannada version to see how the performer can let that role down. OTOH, Kasi by Vikram was "LMIA" and unsuccesful. For me, ease and natural performance doesnt matter much unless it adds to or fits in the film in question.
The way I look at it, you can broadly divide into
1> LMIA but succesful - Sithan; Many people quote Inbasekar for this though it didnt work for me so let's pencil him in here despite my reservations. I'd pencil in ND here - it worked for me though Maddy tried hard and was not 'at ease' or whatever.
2> LMIA but not so succesful - Thambivelu, Surya in parts in most of his 'masala' performances(like Agarkar, thambi rendu wicket eduppapla, paartha adutha rendu ball sixer parakkum)
3> DLMINA and succesful - fill this in yourself; As PR mentioned before, Maddy as Bottle Mani was an example of this. I'd probably prefer that performance by Maddy to many of his acclaimed ones. Anbarasu is another example.
4> DLMINA but not quite appreciable or outstanding - for me, Maddy in many movies does fall here; RUN, for example. Maybe he is at ease etc but what do I get as cinematic output from that ease? Nothing.
I'm not particularly worried about the method as long as it is succesful.
Ok, what I'm driving at is one cannot let oneself biased by preference of style of acting(easy, natural AGAINST effort, LMIA) to dictate evaluating whether a performance is good or not.
oruthat teknik-a communicate pandraar. innoruthar teknik-a purinjukkarar. bada killadi pasangapa...Quote:
Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram
vara vara CR post ellam romba notice paNNa dhaan nuances puriyudhu. Enge vishayam vekkararne konja nerathukkappuram dhaan veLangudhu. Edhavadhu maaruveshathula workshop attend paNNitty vandheengala CR?Quote:
Originally Posted by crajkumar
exactly CR :)
I never commented about the ability of the actor..but on the consistency of the fans.
consistency of the fans'na ?
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Originally Posted by Vivasaayi
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Originally Posted by Sarna
as far as i know - Sivaji and kamal were LMIA genre but they showed us many things with their ability.........surya just says LMIA but verum kaathu dhaanga varudhu :lol2: ..........thats the difference.........even jaishankar of yesteryears was a LMIA candidate - most of the old heroes were, adhukaaga avanga ellarayum criticise pannaama vida mudiyuma.......surya has got into this mode too early - trying to showcase himself as nest kamal or sivaji just like vishal/simbhu have this temptation of becoming nest rajini within 4 movies :D this is like saying, sampras and roddick had big serves, so do not criticse big servers like roddick cos sampras would be hurt too :PQuote:
Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
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Originally Posted by Vivasaayi
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Originally Posted by MADDY
Whether an actor is good or bad is important, not whether he is LMIA or DLMINA - idhu engal karuthu.
adhavadhu, engala poruthavaraikkum, "Suriya nadippu velaikke avalaye" nu solradhu onnu, "Suriya always does LMIA and because of that he is unselected" nu solradhu vera.
Also, Suriya is not 100% LMIA and neither is Maddy 100% DLMINA. In fact, most of whom we consider have this and that in varying proportion. All IMO, of course :)
DLMINA definition maaRip pOchchu.
Anyway
Early-a. Very late. mudhal 6 varusham riding horse within fat-pot. Neenga innum oru 10 varushaththukku adhaiyE paNNittu adhukkappuram venture-out paNNi irukkalaamnu solveenga pOla.Quote:
Originally Posted by MADDY
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Originally Posted by MADDY
No. There was a good reason why Sivaji and Kamal were excluded from this argument. Of course no-one in the current crop will match up to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by MADDY
Surya-vukkE "kAththu dhaan varudhu"nnE vachchukkuvOm.... appo michcha pErukku kAththu kooda vErala. Dead silent-A irukku. appidinnu dhaan solla mudiyum.
"Surya-vukkE "kAththu dhaan varudhu"nnE vachchukkuvOm.... appo michcha pErukku kAththu kooda vErala. Dead silent-A irukku. appidinnu dhaan solla mudiyum."
- Adhaane!
pr,
adhana!
edho suryavukku kaathavadhu varudhe...!
"DLMINA definition maaRip pOchchu. "
- Eppadi eppadi eppadi?
And let's also not take the let's-keep-the-stalwarts-out-of-the-discussion school of thought too far. It's not like Kamal or Sivaji were dishing out one great performance after another!
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Originally Posted by equanimus
I mean adhukku oru thread open pannikkalaam. Versatility pathi inga naama alasaradhunaala avinga rendu perayum izhukkaama irukkardhu dhaane nyayam?
Indha pechu konjam abaayamana dhisai nOkki payanithu kondirukkiradhu. Toilet Jokes varathukkunnadi niruthikuvom :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Vivasaayi
Apdi yaarum sollaliye Eq. Kamal and Sivaji were versatile by any definition of the term - illaingareengala? I'd include Rajni, too, in that list.(Though PR and CR will exterminate me from sangam for this :-) ).Quote:
Originally Posted by equanimus
The only reason I'd discuss them here is to expound on some theories regarding their acting - like addressing their acting school-by-school and seeing which of their performances fit where. Adhukku thani thread dhaan podaNum. I intend to do it - but ungaLai maadhiri periyavanga aadharavu veNum.
Shammikkanum! Ennudaya versatile list la yerkanave Rajini peru irukkunga... aana unconditional list la irukkaadhuQuote:
Originally Posted by Plum
DLMINA (I thought) originally meant DLM I can't Act.Quote:
Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
Now it has morphed to nadikkuradhu theriyAma suBtle-A nadikkiradhu. Which is fine. We need this definition more than we need that one.
:) oththukkaREn, but my point was, I wouldn't say Surya is incomparably inferior to them. Or Madhavan for that matter. I'm not talking about versatility per se, just their worth as actors.Quote:
Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
Naanum konja naaLaavE paakkurEn (NKNP henceforth)Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
adhaan illai.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
You see enga side open-minded.... unga side-u maadhiri illai.
//surya just says LMIA but verum kaathu dhaanga varudhu :lol2://Quote:
Originally Posted by MADDY
Pithamagan, Perazhagan, VA, Ghajini - If these are the movies which you feel he tried acting and 'Kaathu Varala', i would say he did a pretty good job in all these. I cant imagine Madhavan, Dhanush or any other actor in such diverse characters, which is why probably they were'nt asked to do such roles :roll:. AE'la, given a mass role, Madhavan could have made Surya look like Nerukku Ner Surya, but IMO he didnt make much use of the opportunity - maybe because he finds it very difficult to speak Chennai Thamizh. Innumum ella padathulayum adhey accent (note the way he says 'Agriculture' in Thambi or 'Address' in few movies - Guna padathula Kamal MMKR-Madhan madhiri English pesiyirundha ippidi dhaan irundhirukkum). Just compare it with Surya's mannerisms and dialogue delivery in movies like Aaru, Nandha.
Surya isnt a great actor but he at least shows some traits of a promising performer. Onnume try pannama verum 'masala' or 'chocolate boy' or 'udhavaakkara paiyan' roles'a mattum convincinga panravangalukku konjam different roles nadippavar evalavo mel.
Yov, andha side(Nerd) already disown paNNitangaya. Nenacha madhirye trisangu nelamai vandhiriche...
Oh he is. In terms of versatility as well as 'depth of performance' (define paNNa solliraadheenga) he has a lot to scale. Of course he is covering ground at a very impressive pace.Quote:
Originally Posted by equanimus
evalavu varusham aanalum, surya cant become them.......he CANT .....i crack up when people say he has taken so much "efforts" to become a great actor......Quote:
Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram
puyale adichhalum, adhu rendu varusham, moonu varushathhula poidum-nnu solra makkal tamil makkal...... :P .......ellam vidhi padi thaan nadakkum......if surya is overwhelmingly accepted as nest kamal or sivaji - i would accept that too with a smile..... :)Quote:
Surya-vukkE "kAththu dhaan varudhu"nnE vachchukkuvOm.... appo michcha pErukku kAththu kooda vErala. Dead silent-A irukku. appidinnu dhaan solla mudiyum.
yes, i did and thats exactly why i dont rate surya much.......he didnt sweep me off my feet u know :PQuote:
Originally Posted by hattori_hanzo
appuram yEn too early-nu ellAm solreenga. :lol2:Quote:
Originally Posted by MADDY
btw I wasn't suggesting he would match up to them eventually. I was only referring to your comment that he was trying "too early".
Let us take one cliched TFI yardstick:
mugaththai moodaamal azhuvadhu
The scene at the airport when he returns after losing Sameera. If that is not 'convincing' I wonder what is.
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Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram
atleast if he had started at a later stage, it wudnt have looked funny :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram
adhu seri, naanga ellam edhukku theatre-la irukkom :P ......Quote:
mugaththai moodaamal azhuvadhu
Yes, and that's where I'm putting my money on. It's always more useful to consider the "potential" than just the "past."Quote:
Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram
Yarruppa naduvula Clint eastwood ulla ittukittu varathu... a man with multiple S curve in terms of cinematic skill set... A legendery hero and director.... I love him lot after thalivar.
thonuchu...buplic place apdingradhanala type pannama vituten(control pannitennu sonna naalu peru adhayum kalaipeenga)Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
CR, AnbeSivam boy death scene - the time he starts closing his ears till the "enna madhiri design" idhu dialogue.......kamal was jus sidelined.......ask surya to share screen space with kamal - hey kiddo take care-dhaan :)Quote:
Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
rajniya versatle add pandradhu konjam over...Quote:
Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
for the past 25 yearsa ore rolethan pandraru..kitta thatta.
early 80s la sila different roles pannaaru..OK..but overalla versatilenu solla mudiyuma?