Sindhanai Selvar Dr.Kamal HaasaR - favourite movies,scenes 2

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Originally Posted by Plum

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Explain.

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Veerappan vs. police backdrop establish paNNiruppAppalayE, adhaich chonnEn. In fact, it was almost like Mani had thought of this kind of subject for Tamil earlier but didn't get to making it. The name Veera, a govt.'s messenger etc.

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Originally Posted by Plum

Lazy theory.
Dil Se - widely panned by your "all india generic" folks
Roja - tamil primarily but with enough all India masala to succeed generically. But you'd agree that was one movie which even Mani wouldnt have made witht he Hindi market in mind. It was the accident that started many incidents in Mani's career

Bombay - a perfect example of your theory. Agreed.

Yuva - Om Puri's Calcutta politician is in no man's land and certainly worse than Paswan by the standards you set for Kamal. Certainly no all India generic appeal in this movie's characters. Compare Bharathiraja in tamil, and in general, how comfy in the skins the tamil actors/characterw were, and how much it made the movie
palatable in tamil

Guru - succesful, yes but Apisek is a Gujaratai business man. He had no business being the typical generic indhi feller, save for the occasional "bijnej".

Ravan - he he you talk about this one

Your claim is really tenuous and weak. It is hard to generalise the way you have.

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Dil Se had a huge buzz. (Must be his biggest Hindi venture in that respect.) That's what I mean by a "fair chance." No film can be a definite hit, which ultimately depends on whether the audiences lap it up or not.
As for Yuva, I agree that Bharathiraja was better than Om Puri, but again it seems you can't help reflexively looking at how authentic and good the portrayal is (in your viewpoint), rather than the debate at hand. I'm not talking about authenticity but about making a proper Hindi film. Overdone Bengali accent is very much within this framework like how overdone Seth Tamil is within the framework of a mainstream Tamil film. Again this film too didn't do well (the Tamil one certainly did better even if it wasn't big), no denying that.
And btw, Bombay was after all just dubbed to Hindi like Roja, so it's not a good example for my theory, but Bala's point about making some sort of a national film in Tamil. But it's true that Mani had the Hindi version in mind operating in the wake of the big success of Roja.
Raavan-ukku appuRamA vArEn. :)

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Originally Posted by Plum

Your claim is really tenuous and weak. It is hard to generalise the way you have.

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I think it's quite apparent. Mani's Hindi films (or Bombay films if you will) are more "Hindi" than Kamal's. Isn't this precisely what angers many Tamil film viewers, his migration to/privileging of Hindi cinema in recent years? Kamal hasn't done this. I've no inclination to judge whether this is right or wrong. All I'm saying is Kamal's attempts look half-hearted in comparison to Mani's.

Even Hey! Ram wasn't a generic hindi film, was it? Marathi-Bengali-Tamil, more like. They only 'spoke' indhi..

Yuva, Guru both failures if you read in to bihari-bengali, Gujju nuances, but works as a cleansed out 'generic' Indhi films.

I haven't lived in predominantly 'indhi-lands' but almost all my generic indhi guys (ones settled in Bombay & geographically aregional pan-Indian gentlemen) treat Mani's films to be more aspecific & less rooted (duh!) than KH's, and as a result, seemingly more 'generic' hindi film.

Roja, Bombay still treated as 'dubbed films'. 'Dil Se' as a no-man's land film with Indhi faces & places which sort of worked, but it didn't show in box-office.

Biggest non-Indhi factor about KH's films is KH himself.

This isn't even a moot-point. Unless I got 'generic' totally wrong.

I sort of am getting equa's view now.(Vazhakkam pOla vagueA dhAn puriyudhu). Agree on the Bombay thing - it was almost Roja like in that it was primarily made for tamil market. But yes, slowly, the generic indhi pandering had started there in a small way. But as git observed, KH is the biggest anti-generic-gindhi factor there. Then saarug and apisek helped in the generic indhi mode of the later ones. But box offivewise, even that pandering didn't help Mani much I guess. Idhukku west mambalam/besant nagar padam eduththu tamizhla vuttutundhaa tamizhla oru genre pozhaochirukkum

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