Sindhanai Selvar Dr.Kamal HaasaR - favourite movies,scenes 2

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Originally Posted by equanimus

Veerappan vs. police backdrop establish paNNiruppAppalayE, adhaich chonnEn. In fact, it was almost like Mani had thought of this kind of subject for Tamil earlier but didn't get to making it. The name Veera, a govt.'s messenger etc.

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wow, good analgoy....

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Originally Posted by equanimus

Dil Se had a huge buzz. (Must be his biggest Hindi venture in that respect.) That's what I mean by a "fair chance." No film can be a definite hit, which ultimately depends on whether the audiences lap it up or not.
As for Yuva, I agree that Bharathiraja was better than Om Puri, but again it seems you can't help reflexively looking at how authentic and good the portrayal is (in your viewpoint), rather than the debate at hand. I'm not talking about authenticity but about making a proper Hindi film. Overdone Bengali accent is very much within this framework like how overdone Seth Tamil is within the framework of a mainstream Tamil film. Again this film too didn't do well (the Tamil one certainly did better even if it wasn't big), no denying that.
And btw, Bombay was after all just dubbed to Hindi like Roja, so it's not a good example for my theory, but Bala's point about making some sort of a national film in Tamil. But it's true that Mani had the Hindi version in mind operating in the wake of the big success of Roja.
Raavan-ukku appuRamA vArEn. :)

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Dil se was the first "bollywood" film to penetrate UK top 10.........Guru is Mani's biggest BO hit in his career, inflation, deflation, petrol price hike adjusted etc........ironically, though......

its against the very design of bollywood to be rooted to any mileu or a particular state.....even in most authentic representation of bambayya mileu, u'll find more characters speaking neutralised hindi than bambayya hindi...........the masters of bollywood's music like SDB, RDB or Kji-Aji never aspire to be "rooted" anywhere.......given its age, bollywood itself is a mileu now.......Mani, whose films have a abstract mileu and more of no-man's land benefits directly from such design.......even AR, whose music is more "generic" than specific benefitted from this design but ofcourse thalaivar has the ability to belt a "rooted" ruth aagayi re(1947 Earth), mangala mangala too.....

even Anjali was a huge craze in north india and dalapathy made heads turn........but i feel, it was AR's music and its reach in bollwyood which truly encouraged Mani to go pan-indian......i now understand why people say AR spoiled Mani.......

but kamal, yea, well ah, does sound tamil when he makes hindi movies too.......

please dont discuss some over hyped directors here .. upper middle class brahmin life thavira ethuvum theriyaathavanellaam India's best director-aam .. enna koduma sir ithu :banghead:

It is NOT against bollywood design to be specific. idhellAm nIngaLA sollikkaRadhu dhAn. Even during its worst period in the 80s, Hindi Film industry made its cult classics like JBDY, and a whole host of reasonably succesful parallel films. Infact, the parallel film industry thrived in the 70s and 80s. Shyam Benagal was a reasonably succesful director for a while. It was the allure of his initial success that he continued to get funds until Zubeidaa to make movies. Basu Chatterjee for a while was very succesful in marrying a deeply rooted sensibility to commercial success, as was Hrishida. adhukkappuRam, a lot of bogus parallel movie makers squandered the commercial opporutnities the 70s opened up for the honest movie makers like Benegal.

Ada theriyAdhavaLukku...ngaRA mAdhiri, people have abstracted Bollywood as a no man's land milieu just because of the failure of certain film makers to make rooted movies.

SDB borrowed heavily from Bengali folk, and it showed in his output. RDB could definitely be considered a precursor to ARR, in that he made his own genre, and was heavily interested in amalgamating "world music" into popular Indian music. Granted. But you cant include SDB and Kji-Aji just like that into a group like that. A lot of Kji-Aji's 80s output could mislead you into thinking so - but know ye that this was after Viju Shah became a big factor as an assistant in their music. Otherwise, you could hardly call them generic in the sense you are talking about.


And let's not forget that it is easy being generic compared to being specific - and usually, an artist can be only as specific as his influences, childhood and his background. It takes a special film maker to be specific across milieus as in Hey Ram. Let's not tout being able to tap the generic tropes as an achievement - it is the default setting for every filmmaker outside his comfort zone.

Plum, Hindi history ellAm theriyAdhu, so correct my flaws.

Benegal - Ankur was kinda odd as a Hindispeaking movie set in Andhra(?), right? Some parts are a Hyderabadi-Hindi. But they were wise enough to not use that fully and restrict reach. No? Junoon, Mandi had similarly limited 'local' flavour (dialect etc.) but otherwise his movies - well made as they were - weren't quite Omkara - if you get what I am saying. Did you feel the Marathi portions of Bhumika were authentic?

Basu Chatterjee?? What were his non-Mumbai movies?? In the Tina Munim movie, he shows the Mumbai-Goan-Christian locale (Pearl Padamsee singing kabhi kushi kabhi gham), but that apart he was always strittly Mumbai urban.

The offbeat cinema - for instance, Sai Paranjpe (Sparsh, Katha) are all quite urban. Naturally the language was something that could reach everyone.

This is what I meant when I said that if you want to make a movie in a Hindi that will be understood by all - you have to either restrict your subjects or give a taste of local-flavour but stay within the mainstream language (Ankur).

paruthiveeran ellAm edukka mudiyaadhu. So let us bear that in mind when criticizing Hindi films 'ngrEn. That is all.

btw equa, you had qualified your agreement with me on this. Want to elaborate?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1UP5Gw1RVc excellent classic comedy scene from panchantantiram one of my fav movies

Didn't realize that the mahAnadhi discussions got merged into this thread...was searching for that thread to post a link in the SPB-IR thread in the IR forum for the sriranga song...

oru vazhiyA pidichchu adhula link-iyAchchu :-)

The post in IR-SPB thread on sriranga ranganAthanin pAtham

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Originally Posted by kid-glove

Biggest non-Indhi factor about KH's films is KH himself.

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Originally Posted by Plum

But as git observed, KH is the biggest anti-generic-gindhi factor there.

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Exactly. adhunAla dhAnE casting himself was the first thing I mentioned. Mani Ratnam has never taken this sort of 'glaring' missteps when venturing into making a Hindi film.

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Originally Posted by P_R

btw equa, you had qualified your agreement with me on this. Want to elaborate?

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Oh, not on what you had said in that post. I meant to say we might subsequently disagree if we continue further discussing the specifics. For instance, though Hindi films are generic in the ways we've discussed, they are also populated with some archetypal characters as opposed to simply unmarked characters in an urban milieu (or Bombay or what have you). adhaich cholla vandhEn.

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Originally Posted by MADDY

wow, good analgoy....

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illaiyA pinna... Remember one of the locals also speaks in Kannada in the police investigation scene. enakkennamO, avarukku indha idea munnayE irundhirukkaNumnu thONudhu. And remember even RGV had an eye on Ramayana (though the Ram there was pretty much a non-actor, pun intended!) in his Jungle.

Alavandhaan Ecstacy trip

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPamUI5tGNk

My favorite part is towards the end, from 8:20
trying to find the "jail" break sequences...