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I gave my explanations for why i liked the hindi one better that too as an album overall. Just go back and see you've been calling for an objective debate, and you clain you're into analyzing ragas, orchestration etc yet you haven't said anything Bole sajni or Jula bahonn ko where classical interludes are evident. You just keep harping on your point (KM is better than DSKR) without much substanstiation!
I don't think I'm as biased as you :rotfl:
"the judges in sapthaswarangaL are biased to Raja" and Indiaglitz is a Raja chamcha (now the moment they say arr is the king with some chennai-only sales figure of ah..aah (did SJS name it while having an orgasm ?, i wonder) , you will jump up saying indiaglitz is the most unbiased site !!
On the other hand, it is clearly obvious to any objective observer that the conductor of the SapthswarangaL (Ranganathan or whoever) drools ceaselessly at the mention of a song by IR. Many shitty songs of the late eighties get immediate kudos from this fellow.
If DSKR songs are the same as Jodi then they should be good. Kadhalukku Mariyadhai songs are also good.
"did SJS name it while having an orgasm ?, i wonder"
dunt lose ur self-respect shankar........
hey hey hey wats ur problem buddy........i'm saying that ARR is not lesser to IR and u r sayin that IR is not lesser to ARR---which means we both r saying that they shuld not be compared.........we r after all saying the same point........come on man :D cheer up.......
"On the other hand, it is clearly obvious to any objective observer that the conductor of the SapthswarangaL (Ranganathan or whoever) drools ceaselessly at the mention of a song by IR. Many shitty songs of the late eighties get immediate kudos from this fellow. "
see shankar, ppl. have felt it...........so dunt think it is just me........condemning that man is not condemning IR....pls undestand it........
My aunty is 30+ ,and she said ARR DSKR is better,the best,and ur aunty's son is 12...chinna paiyan,he loves IR over ARR fast...coz brain havent devolep..so IR manage only to catch a podi paiyan's & ARR manage to catch a matured lady's taste!!yepedi??? :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Shankar
yes music4ever,DSKR is Jodi's songs...the Vannapoongave is the sis-bro song...so u should know why i said that song stands the best,y,even the album...
Shankar baba,if ARR thinks comercial album is so imp,he wouldnt be doing movies like Andhimanthirai (1996),Fire (1996),Kisna(please realise that he only did 2 songs and he did the BGM for the movie,that shows he dun accept offers for comercial),Bose,Mangal Pandey,1947 earth,Kannathil Mutamittal,Lagaan,Tlobs,Meenaxi,Tehzeeb! so please,get ur facts right!!!
and about Ah aah...man...seriously..i didint know ur thoughts r very shallow...yuckz!
Mythila :wink:
Thanks for the clarification on the raaga of vEl muruganukku song.
Regarding the kEdharaththukku sEdhaaram part about pon maalai pozhudhu I rememeber reading the comment of Subbudu and IR's reply in one of the magazines. Infact both comments were scanned and posted in one of the threads of old TFMPage. Perhaps RR (or) * (prabhu) could help us digging that thread out.
I guess subbudu's then remark was not on the pon maalai pozhudhu song's raaga adherence per se. Perhaps he might thought about the mixture of WCM like interludes to be inappropriate. IR would have explained him about the fusion part and subbudu would have appreciated it based on the fact that the song as such did not have any slippages to the raaga and hence he would have accepted the pon maalai pozhudhu song.
Carnatic-la fusion-nna oru carnatic song-la raaga ththa keduththu (anniya swarangaLaa pOttu thaakki) fusion paNNi adha fusion in carnatic-innu sollaradhu kidayaadhu. Classical music like carnatic is and ought to be grammar strict. A fusion attempt should never debase this fundamental principle of it.Quote:
so carnatic music has to be packaged with raaga-diversions/fusion otherwise it is not listenable for paamarans like me.......
To the best of my knowledge none of ARR's song qualifies for a review by subbudu based on carnatic idiom (this is not to say that ARR's songs have no merit, its only that ARR's songs don't fall under that criteria thats all). There may be some songs of ARR to be in carnatic that I have not heard of. May be some one, if want, can ask subbudu's review on those songs. But if one picks a wrong song
Now I clearly understand who is prejudiced. btw there is nothing wrong in ARR giving popular music. The request is for some half-baked not to claim any of those songs to be set in carnatic and tries to get review from subbudu and sensationalise the issue based on subbudu's review. ARR did not even care to answer subbudu's "kEdharaththukku sEdhaaram" comment as he very well knows that his song is merely a popular song and not one that can be claimed to be a carnatic based song. IR did it, in his turn, because his case was different. In both cases IR and ARR are not not idiots and so is subbudu.Quote:
i dunt understand and cannot stand carnatic music and there r millions of youngsters like me who r influenced by Bryan adams/Kurt cobain rrather than unnikrishnan/bombay jayshree.......we r the market(sadly, maybe Wink ) so wat do u xpect ARR to do???he has to give music that we will buy and rave abt.......a reviewer cannot even take this into consideration??
Subbudu's remark was about unnikrishnan's case. Subbudu was concerned that Unni, being a very good carnatic singer, was losing his grip in his kutcheries and it was because subbudu felt the reason being unni singing in film songs. But doesn't subbudu know that a lot of carnatic singers were earlier singing in films? From GNB to BMK to KJY in male and from MSS to MLV in female were popular in film music. It may be that unni's voice/singing capability might have got eroded because he chose film music also, whereas it didn't happen in the case of, say, KJY. So subbudu was not worried about KJY.Quote:
also he has always criticised ARR for migration of carnatic singers to film music..
I request people to count me as one of those whose life was ruined by Subbudu even before I joined to sing in carnatic kutchery. What a wretched fellow subbudu is, why can't a carnatic ignorant like me sing a song in carnatic sabha and claim that to be in "pure carnatic raaga". People like subbudu should be hanged till death for ruining my career..nay..life in carnatic world.Quote:
my dad told me that subbudu has ended many ppl.'s career with his deadly reviews
I thought nowadays the kids are not so stupid to listen crapest songs like Rajasthan when they have Thiruda Thiruda or Roja.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shankar
And also even if it was for technical reasons, ARR is way way ahead of IR. Name one movie of IR which went beyond south (please do not take songs which are copied from him and composed in north. that proves IR could not compose his own song in other flavour). ARR is the first bring middle eastern, spanish, pure western flavour mixing with Indian raagas which IR could not do in his span of 15 years. I agree he is king of folk song and he composed good carnatic. But that was his territory and he could not move beyond that. That shows his limitation and ARR is still researching and bringing new sounds. Yes stupid ppl. will say he is copying but as they say "Kuzhudhaiku theriyuma karpoora vasanai" :-)
What gaawdd man.. :evil: . If you take KM, only one song was hit but in DSR all songs are super hit that itself shows how ARR can take over IR in a single album. As rajasarnam said, IR gives one hit in an album but ARR gives all hits in one album.
alias,
"IR gives one hit in an album". Can you substantiate this statement please? I can list out scores of albums by IR in which all the songs were hits.
"Name one movie which went beyond south". So according to you according to someone is great only if he is accepted by North Indians? Can you please explain me this wonderful logic? Going by your logic Bach, Dvorak, Tchaikovsky...are all poor composers. They never appealed to people beyond pockets of Europe/N. America. Well certainly not to North Indians.
Forums are meant to be a place for intelligent discussions please...
nice to see history repeating itself.
whatever were discussed, disserted, ground three years ago, to the best of my knowledge, is being done once again, amazingly with same set of words.
enjoy.
Arun, praising IR is not the only intelligent thing........okk......by not penetrating in the north means his music doesnt have a global appeal........he loses to ARR in this aspect.......now dunt say that north indians r dumb...they have recognised ppl. like SDB/Shankar-jaikishen/O.P.Nayyar...so they too have gud taste........
cacaphonix, subbudu had this grudge with ARR...he had made fun of his composing style as well which were totally unneccesary.......he praises HJ, who has a similar style of composing, which means he hates ARR only.....and moreover subbudu is a public figure so he will come under scanner by ppl........just bcos he worships IR will not save him........ppl. will condemn his STUPID OBSERVATIONS......