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Groucho, I share your enthusiasm for Iruvar. Brilliant movies failing at the BO are not rare; Karnan and Hey Ram come to mind immediately.
Iruvar was an excellent attempt at film making, but lacked in cohesion and of course in attracting the masses. It will remain as a moving testimony of Tamil cinema. Kudos to Maniratnam for even attempting the movie.
p/s: I remember reading that the movie's making was under tight secrecy and very little hype was created for it.
Best Actors
I'd rather go according to the period as it is impossible to compare different generations:
60s era
1. Sivaji Ganesan
2. Gemini Ganesh, Muthuraman, SV Subbiah, Ranga Rao, -------- will add more later
(I will have to omit MGR as he wil be remembered as a great personality rather than as a great actor.)
70s & 80s era
1. Kamalahasan
2. Sivakumar (later years), -------- will add more later
(Again I omit Rajini for similar reasons as MGR - it is true that Rajini acted well in some of his earier movies, but not enough to be in this league.)
Present era
1. Vikram, Madhavan, Surya
(Ajith showed promise in his earlier movies, but didnt keep up the momentum. Vijay is a mass artiste. Funny thing is one can't laugh while one can't cry - two prerequistes for good acting skills.)
Kinda quiet in the hub ain't it, Nov?
Anyway, interesting observation on Iruvar. Highly underrated, just because it was compared to MGR/KK relationship
Note to Joe: we discussed it earlier, Joe, and agreed to disagree. I like the way you put it
And I recall that there were not much hype as well. Originally titled Anandham, Mani tested Sarath and Sathyaraj for the roles (which, I can't recall, but I think must be for Tamilselvan role, because Mani may already have Mohanlal for Anandhan).
Performance-wise we saw a great contrast, Mohanlal subdued and restrained, and Prakashraj generous on his strong dialogue delivery and very naked on a more agressive emotions like anger and jealousy. Two sides of the same coin. It's a cliche expression, but it fits here.
I like the fact that you broke down into periods when listing best actors. What's your top ten (as per the title of this thread)? I have mine in my site. Don't intend to change it. Yours?
Phew! That's a dangerous ground you are threading. If the hubbers are much more broadminded and are able to take criticism generously, I'd have more to say about, ahem, those two stars, but I shall refrain from doing so. But your remarks are done tactfully, congratulations.Quote:
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It is? I didnt notice. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by groucho070
Yeah I noticed. Joe is mature enoug to accept difference of opinons. :DQuote:
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... and so aptly titled Iruvar.Quote:
Originally Posted by groucho070
If you like the vennilaa vennilaa song, do give Sillendru Oru Kaathu song a try. Need to get used to the voice, but the orchestration is superb! :thumbsup:
I dont think I will attempt it - too much of work. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by groucho070
Sivaji's movies will top most for sure. I also like Raththa Kanneer, KB movies, KS Gopalakrishnan social movies, Sridhar's earlier works, Mahendran's movies, Balu Mahendra, Bakiyaraj, etc etc. Endless list.
Current favourites would be Maniratnam and Shankar. A lot of newbies look promising but need more samples for accessing.
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Originally Posted by groucho070
I have posted my opinion, and therefore dont see why anyone should get riled up over what I feel. :huh:
Villain, Madhavan has shown variety; his crowning performance was in Anbe Sivam where he held his own against Kamal. No small feat that one.
In my book, Madhavan gets better mark. But lets not go into that now.Quote:
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groucho, see my response above your post. :)
I did. The title song is amazing. Its Big Band Jazz, puts your right in the middle of Las Vegas. Wonder if contemporary audience will accept it...Quote:
Originally Posted by NOV
If I list out with period classification (as done by Nov)
60's & Mid 70
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1.Nadigar Thilagam
2.M.R.Radha
3.Nagesh
4.Ranga Rao
5.Bhalaih
Mid70s &80
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1.kamal Hassan
2.Sivakumar
Current
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1.Vikram
2.Naser
Have been closely watching this thread offlate :lol:
The very mention of sivakumar :shock: ed me !!
I have seen quite a few movies of him to judge him myself. He was pretty good in sindhu bhairavi. He wasnt that impressive in annakkiLi. Anything else am missing?? rOsaappuu ravikkaikkaari I think, he wasnt that impressive.. Actually I liked his performance in some 90s movies (kaathalukku mariyaathai, sEthu).. Anyway thats my perception!
If I have to make a top 10
Actors:
nadigar thilagam
kamal
M R Radha
Rajinikanth
Nasser
................
Movies (not in any order)
antha naaL
paraasakthi
thillaana mOhanaambaaL
kaiy koduththa dheivam
mahAnadhi
thEvar magan
uthirip puukkaL
muLLum malarum
16 vayathinilE
muthal mariyaathai
Cannot exclude this: mouna raagam