Raj,
This is here: http://www.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic....=asc&start=240
This is the thread where we are discussing about Raja's fusion and I wrote about how Raja does his own theorems under the usage of instrument part.
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Raj,
This is here: http://www.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic....=asc&start=240
This is the thread where we are discussing about Raja's fusion and I wrote about how Raja does his own theorems under the usage of instrument part.
'PalliyaRaikkuL' from Bala Nagamma is another classic example of his usage of various patterns in the same talam.
Very recently, I analysed the song in my blog and I am reproducing the part related to the tala patterns:
The third interlude is meticulously arranged with beguiling layers of rhythmic patterns.
The beats of the Melody-Rhythm ensemble are:
1. Ta - - Ta - - Ta - - - Ta – Ta - -
that is only the 1st, 4th, 7th,11th and the 13th beats are played.
This pattern continues 5 times with the strings in the background..
We hear only the tuned percussion in the following patterns:
2.Only the even beats are played now: - ka – ka – ka - ka
3.The next pattern is : Ta – Ta - (12 times-played twice)followed by ta ka ta ka dhi mi ta ka twice in ‘mel kaalam’ (faster mode).
The first part (ta ka) is played in ‘Usi’ that is only the odd beats (ka) are played.
This pattern is played twice.
Note that the previous pattern (2.) has only the even beats while the next one has only the odd beats.
4. The next pattern is ta ka dhi mi four times with only the ‘ta’ and ‘dhi’ played in the fourth time(twice).
5.Fourth pattern –ta ka dhi mi ta – dhi mi (4 times)
6.The last pattern-ta ka dhi mi (4 times) followed by ta - - -.
It unravels the wonders of the raga and the tala beautifully..
It captures the entire gamut of human emotions..
It takes us to an ethereal world..
Now, who is the real magician?
உன் இசை அத்தனையும் தேன்..
Your music is full of honey..
Raj,
Too late in the day (or shall say too early in the day) to listen to this song. Will do it first thing tomorrow. Good writeup as usual.
http://www.thiraipaadal.com/albums/ALBIRR00060.html
Horrible film by RKSelvamani and very obscure dhandam, vulgar lyrics, Telugu dubbing.. All not withstanding
listen to jing jikka song for the innovative rhythms of Raaja...
Never heard such a rhythms since Maarugo marugo from vetri vizha..
@Raj - Odam ondru from Thirupura sundhari (donn which year?) Fits in xactly with Rabindra sangeet pattern
I thought the 'jing jinka' was part of a song. Didn't realize that it was the starting of the song!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by jaiganes
irir123: This song is dedicated to you :lol:
Thanks for the 'jing jikha' song. Raja freaks out on the thalam.
Chengathir Kaiyum - Sneha Veedu
This song is actually in Misram Taalam pattern (7/8) , what seems to be happening in the prelude is it goes in Chatushram or you can see 8 beats per cycle take place 10 1/2 times which is 84 counts and the song begins on the 85th count ..Now if you see 84 is perfectly divisible by 7 as well :) ..From the 85th count onwards it goes in perfect Misram. So in effect Maestro has just played with the rhythm by fooling us and look as if the song is in Chatushram when actually it is not ..Super creativity by the Maestro ..He has not only used his laya skills but also has showcased his mathematical skills ..Hail the brilliant Maestro ..
To illustrate , i feel it works out like this
Ta Ka Di Mi Ta Ka Ju Nu (8)
Sa Sa Sa Ri ~ Ga ~ ~
Ta Ka Di Mi Ta Ka Ju Nu (8)
, , , , , , Sa Sa
Ta Ka Di Mi Ta Ka Ju Nu (8)
Sa Ri ~ Ga ~ Ma ~ Pa
Ta Ka Di Mi Ta Ka Ju Nu (8)
Ma ~ Ga ~ , , , ,
Ta Ka Di Mi Ta Ka Ju Nu (8)
, , , , , , , ,
Ta Ka Di Mi Ta Ka Ju Nu (8)
, , Sa Sa Sa Ri ~ Ga
Ta Ka Di Mi Ta Ka Ju Nu (8)
~ ~ , , , , , ,
Ta Ka Di Mi Ta Ka Ju Nu (8)
Sa Sa Sa Ri ~ Ga ~ Ma
Ta Ka Di Mi Ta Ka Ju Nu (8)
~ Pa Ma ~ Ga ~ , ,
Ta Ka Di Mi Ta Ka Ju Nu (8)
, , , , , , , ,
Ta Ka Di Mi (4)
, , , ,
Total =84 which is divisible by 7
From then on it goes in perfect Misram
Chengathir Kaiyum
Sa Pa Ga Sa Ri Sa Ri
Ta Ki Ta Ta Ki Da Mi
Another thing which i found it is the humming melody in the prelude also goes only in 7s - Humming(14 counts) + Humming(14 counts) + Rest (14 counts) and again Humming(14 counts) + Humming(14 counts) + Rest (14 counts) =84 divisible by 7&14..Oh my gawd , such wonderful division of the beats absolutely brilliant stuff.
Interesting catch in the song as additionally explained by Kalyanaraman Gopalan..
Maestro has simply transposed the Misra chappu thalam in the prelude. Try putting the thalam in reverse when the prelude starts and you will suprised ! What an out-of-box thought process.
The rhythm of the preludes goes like this:
THA KA DHI MI
THA KI TA
THA KA DHI MI
THA KI TA
and Misra chaapu thalam is exactly the reverse which results in Viloma Chaapu :)
Kaiyil Veenai - Vietnam Colony
Adi Thalam Misra Nadai
I would have listened to this song so many times before but never knew it was in Misram. I realised it only recently while listening to this song via a bus travel from Chennai to Bangalore. With Raaja you always discover new things :)
Swaram : Sa Ri2 Ga3 Ma1 Ma2 Pa Da2 Ni3
Ragam : Hameer Kalyani (i think so)
Thalam : Adi Thalam Misra Nadai
Kai Veenai
Sa Ga Ri | Ri Ma1 Ga ~
Ta Ki Ta | Ta Ka Di Mi
Yai Yenthum
Ga Pa ~ | Ma2 Pa Ma2 Pa
Ta Ki Ta | Ta Ka Di Mi
Kalai Vaani
Ga Ma1 Ri | Ri Ga Ma1 Ga
Ta Ki Ta | Ta Ka Di Mi
Yai sustain
Ga ~ ~ | Ri ~ Sa ~
Ta Ki Ta | Ta Ka Di Mi
The same lines repeats again.
In effect 1 Avartana of Adi Thalam consists of 8 Aksharas
1 Akshara = Ta Ki Ta Ta Ka Di Mi
(For eg Kai Veenai is one Akshara , Yai Yendhum is another Akshara)
Each of these Aksharas is divided into 7 Maatras which is the Misra Nadai (Ta Ki Ta Ta Ka Di Mi = 7)
To illustrate
Kai Veenai = 1 Akshara = 7 Maatras
Yai Yendhum = 1 Akshara = 7 Maatras
Kalai Vaani = 1 Akshara = 7 Maatras
Yai sustain = 1 Akshara = 7 Maatras
again repeat
Kai Veenai = 1 Akshara = 7 Maatras
Yai Yendhum = 1 Akshara = 7 Maatras
Kalai Vaani = 1 Akshara = 7 Maatras
Yai sustain = 1 Akshara = 7 Maatras
So totally when we add , we have 8 Aksharas and 56 Maatras resulting in Adi Thalam Misra Nadai.(8*7)
thus 1 Avartana (Cycle) = 8 Aksharas (Adi Thalam) = 56 Maatras (Misra Nadia) .
skr,
Brilliant post on thalams. :clap: :clap:Yes, as you said, we could easily be misled by just counting few bars and concluded as Chaturshram (or Adi thaalam in first), unless you count fully to get that last four. Sameway, second one unless you know the Maatras, it would have been said as just Adi Thaalam, nothing about the Nadai aspect. Very education posts. Thank you so much. Please pour in more of such brilliant findings.