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Originally Posted by "equanimus"
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Originally Posted by "equanimus"
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Quite contrarily, the famous mathematician G. H. Hardy upholds Number Theory as being "pure" (Hitchcock's musings about "pure" cinema come to mind) for the very same reason in his book, A Mathematician's Apology. The unqualified cynic that he was (as is yours truly), he exemplifies Number Theory, the queen of mathematics, (and pure mathematics in general) for its non-applicability. (That it got associated to some applications later on doesn't rob it off its beauty of impracticality, he'd have maintained.) My mentioning Number Theory in that "category" was a humble tribute to the man's lovely vision of non-applicability. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram
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when OC students havent got admission at all - where will they come in :lol: ........JK........good to see they are on the verge on breaking the very need for reservation......:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by joe
i would hammer any FC or OC or watever we may call them if they keep depending on this traditional education system.....they need to explore more avenues and newer ones.........CA for example is one area where (if god permits) reservation cannot enter.......in IT too, most of the guys who report to my manager are BSC, BCom guys and hell they are so brilliant and well equipped for the job.....we give all those IIM managers/ IIT techies a hard time (not for their background but for their attitude) :lol:
its easier said than done but it needs to be done :)
if that particular community or family has educated members rite from 3 generations - then y do they still need reservation??? :roll: ....Quote:
Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram
wonderfully decorated statements and judgements wont bury the harsh realities :D
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Originally Posted by MADDY
Don't worry the government will bring in quota in private sector too.
Arjun singhs, ramdosses, karunanidhis will be at their throat soon.
Meanwhile, OCs need to find something else.
P.S. AFAIK, for MS/MD, the doctors need to serve 2 years in a shitty town where the government puts you ( which town you serve is again subject to amount of money you can cough up) before they can appear for the exam.
Cut-offs: Candidates selected through OC are definitely better than canditates selected through reserved category even if the cut off is 0.1 or 0.2
I am all for reservation. But, to claim OC candidates aren't any better than candidates coming thru reserved quota is wrong.
then, why certain institutes of excellence like TIFR, BARC are out of quota system?
This medical college mark sheet is again proof, at least partly, to my statement that the so-called "OBC" didn't suffer historical oppression like Dalits. Had it been so, reservations alone couldn't have brought them up to this level (which one does not notice in good numbers in the case of Dalits, not yet).
Like the references brought by podalangai, the OBC is probably a reflection of "current" status of "some" groups (again based on the best available statistical methods to govt. which I'm so suspicious about and of the opinion that it's more vote bank politics) and not necessarily a reflection of social injustice to them "for 100's of years" i.e. correction of those so-called wrongs of past.
However, if the statiscal methods are really implemented honestly and sincerely, this serves as "some" tool for social equalization, though in my personal opinion, i.e. in the long run, removing the item from school application is a better tool to the 'sAthigaL illaiyadi pApA' world.
It's ironical that the teacher who teaches "theeNdAmai oru pAvachcheyal, kutRam" and "yAvarum kELir" and "sAdhikaL illaiyadi pAppA" and "ondRE kulam" also asks the student to compulsorily fill in the caste column (failing which the parent has to come to the school to fill-in that column or explain why not). What do we teach the young child? If we divide right from childhood based on caste / creed, when are we to achieve a ondRE kulam society?
(Please note that this doesn't preclude reservations for the underprivileged - just that the criteria should be things like whether the parents had a chance to go to school, economical status of the family, physical abilities of the child etc - all honestly evaluated...well, I'm probably in an Utopian world:-)
>>Candidates selected through OC are definitely better than canditates selected through reserved category even if the cut off is 0.1 or 0.2<<
Two things, 1. May be in the "marks" sense, but not necessarily in "skills & capabilities" sense (I have 100's of proofs otherwise) 2. OC is not equal to FC (if you look at the numbers, there are a lot of non-FC in OC which keeps increasing over the years as well)
Why :roll: ? I said the very same thing ! I should be :roll:Quote:
Originally Posted by MADDY
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Originally Posted by MADDY
I was only disagreeing with a point like this>digr.> equanimus, I got you the first time. Quite curiously it was the selfsame Prof. who recommended me the book you mention.Quote:
Originally Posted by sriranga
One of those I started but didn't finish. I vaguely recall a line that made me think less about writing anything which where I had nothing new to say (came within an ace of stopping Hubbing !). It goes something like:
There is no scorn greater than that of the men who make for the men who explain.....Criticism, is the work of second rate minds
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With the kind of exam system we have in TN, the difference in score between those with great IQ, good IQ, avarage IQ etc cannot be judged at all. And again by the large scale mal-practices in the exams, it's very difficult to tell whether these scores are a real reflection of the capability of the student.
Just to cite my personal experience in +2 exams (and I saw similar thing happening in a place like RECT also), as soon as the question paper is given in the hall, it'll reach a group of experts sitting in a room through the "Windows" who'll later the feed the halls with correct answers. The supervisor is somehow made to condone this. Those who refuse to accept such help can even be ridiculed ( can you imagine a hall supervisor during my +2 exams coming to me and asking whether I need to get help which I angrily refused).
I think the whole cut-off thing is another survival of the fittest and not 'real' status of merit.
Malpractices apart, there are tons of reasons why it cannot be the best judge of one's capabilities in reality.