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So your gripe is that you are missing the irreverence in the B-grade scores of the nineties that made it so compelling for you. Maybe there is still that ``irreverence" but you got used to it and need a stronger dose? More seriously, moongil thottam and medhuvaagathaan are good, IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by crimson king
Not just B Grade, overall his music was so irreverent in the 90s. It was like he said a big "f**** you" to the rules of the day. It was captured in the lyrics too a lot of times, Urvasi for example. Every Rahman soundtrack, or at least every major project of his, was looked forward to with anticipation because he would come up with something totally unexpected. I don't really get that anymore. It may sound unexpected to those who don't listen to any Western pop music at all but to me, songs like Aaromale or Adiye sound very, very generic and typical. Typical not even of Rahman but typical of the way such songs are written in the West. Same with Ladio for that matter. His fans have tried to argue that he is just composing for the situation. But he was doing that in the 90s too and still left his stamp on the songs. Moongil thotham didn't really appeal to me. I don't know that any Rahman melody since Udhaya has really grabbed me. There's no pain, no intensity, just a procession of feel good that is perhaps useful for tranquilizing purposes. Basically sounds like the work of a middle aged composer, which of course he is now. Raja has somehow maintained a child like quality within himself or at least it is evident in his compositions.
I believe the whole lot of you can do better than to talk about ARR in this thread. There has been four soundtracks released this year which is enough to talk about and somehow you guys can only think of a topic which has been done, analyzed and fought to death about 5 million times. Can't we just accept that the two composers are unique in their own right and just move on?
Btw has anybody noticed that thalaivar's albums, especially the ones in 2015 such as shamitabh, challa galli(yevade subramanyam) and the 3 melodies from rudhramadevi have a very unique sound. It is like his orchestration and instrumentation have a new DNA. I can't really pinpoint the unique aspect but if i were to describe it, i would say his composition style is starting to evolve into a free-flowing orchestration of various genres be it rock or world music etc.
IR recording with Philharmonia Symphony Orchestra of London for Rudramadevi BGM?
Source: http://www.gulte.com/movienews/37532...-Rudrama-Music
"Maestro Ilayaraja is composing music for Gunasekhar's historical film "Rudramadevi" that is due for release this summer. If you have any doubts as to how prestigious our ace composer took this film, then these London diaries will blow away your mind.
Immediately after writing the scores for Rudramadevi, Ilayaraja flew to London to compose the live music with world's best orchestras and record it at best sound studios. Philharmonia Symphony Orchestra of London who have earlier scored for movies like Spiderman and Batman are playing the musical notes written by Raja sir.
For every line of the notes, the musicians couldn't focus but stop and applause Ilayaraja's greatness. All this music is being recorded at Angle Studios in London where background score of Titanic was composed. Within a week or so, Ilayaraja will be completing the work and get ready to hear the fantastic marvel in theatres."
thanks,
Krishnan
Looks like another case of 'mixed' production value: Great music, but tacky filming (based on the Ponnar Shankar-like poor period details and SFX that I saw in the trailers). Hope the actual movie turns out to be good.
Gunasekhar is no Rajamouli.
>IR recording with Philharmonia Symphony Orchestra of London for Rudramadevi BGM
Why? Seriously why? What's the point in going all the way to London, using Philharmonia, write scoresheets for each and every instrument, undergo painstaking efforts to produce a worldclass score - when no one bothers to release the score on CDs or Online outlets? This happened with SriRamaRajyam. Fans had to resort to ripping audio tracks from DVDs. We can expect the same with Rudramadevi, as no one seems to be taking responsibility to release it through proper channel (Karthik Raja, I am pointing to you). Is Philharmonia not bothered either? Why would they work so hard, when their score is not going to be released officially?
Are you perhaps referring to the more relaxed development of orchestral passages (or even the music in general)? You know, more spaced out with fewer notes, not all packed in like in the 80s? If so, I should say I noticed it in NEPV, esp Sayndhu Sayndhu and Sattru Munbu. Also Mugilo from Megha. In all these songs, the accompaniment is never overwhelming; there's actually a lot going but he's arranged it superbly to make it feel minimalist. He hasn't abandoned the notes-jammed-together-at-breathtaking-pace style either - see Mudhal Murai from NEPV or Ishq e Phillum from Shamitabh. He also used to come up with songs with this more relaxed approach in the 80s but not frequently. Mandram Vandha and Oru Poongavanam immediately come to mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulkster
In the some of the previous posts, heavy discussion on whether ARR/IR combo should happen or not - I wish that never happened because personality, experience & knowledge mismatch. I don't remember ARR congratulating IR on his 1000 films contribution. ARR is being projected as mild mannered and humble person. I was planning to point that out during the discussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vysar
And to my surprise, the above news came today. I am glad ARR knows that. Nobody in the world can replace or achieve what IR has done. Period. His music will stand long even after we all are gone from face of the earth.
OK now I also agree with Hulkster that it's better not to bring up this ARR-IR debate. Why make it about the personalities, man? Stick to the music.
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Originally Posted by teja
Some facts - most Philharmonic Orchestras are NOT doing well economically - particularly those in Europe - the burden of the Euro falling on Germany and a few other countries while the rest of EU, viz., Italy, Greece and even Spain, sucking up the Euro, has left the economies teetering on bankruptcy and philharmonic orchestras are starved of basic funds.
Thus, they come cheap and IR can demand Hungary for those with tighter budget and London for those with a larger budget - the quality may not differ much but they are much cheaper to hire than the orchestras in the US!
Thats how and why IR manages to get this stuff done there, and so does Kamal (for Utthama Villain) - the orchestras in Europe are just happy to have work and food on the table and are not as much concerned about the scores not getting released, which anyway is left to the producer who is in India and owns the rights for the score, and who does not care abt it either since he may not be a musically inclined person.
Btw, even Hollywood composers get their scores done/played by orchestras in Europe for the same reason - cost factor! its much cheaper to fly the composer to Europe and back - for the recording, than hire a US based orchestra!
Thats the sorry state of affairs - not very romantic.
இதுபோன்று அயல்நாட்டு இசைக் குழுக்களைக் கொண்டு தனது இசைக்கு வடிவம் கொடுத்துக் கொள்வது ராஜாவுக்கு மிகவும் பிடித்த ஒன்றாக தெரிகிறது. ரசிகர்களாகிய நமக்கும் இது ஒரு புதிய இசை ஆடை. அணிந்துகொள்வதில் சுகம்தான். எப்படியோ ராஜாவின் வீச்சு ஐரோப்பிய கண்டத்தை கொஞ்சம் கொஞ்சமாக ஆட்கொள்வது நமக்கெல்லாம் பெருமைதான்.
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Originally Posted by irir123
In any case, I guess IR only gets the recording and mixing done in London because of its superior studios. He still uses the BSO. Not aware if he did use Royal Philharmonic for any of his recent soundtracks.
IRIR123 - I beg to differ on your observations about Raaja going to London to complete Rudramadevi background score. The current sound mixing technology and recording techniques have vastly improved in Europe and US. The musicians in Europe have lot more experience in playing their respective instruments besides having good range in delivering different tones. Raaja himself has commented on this aspect when he went to Hungary the last time. These musicians live and die with their instruments and have strong passion for music. In India, we don't see such type of musicians and orchestration. The very fact that majority of our film songs (except for some rare melodious albums) from Hindi, Tamil, Malayalam and Telugu are third-rate copy cats with terrible orchestration, is a proof of this decay. The average life span of a film song nowadays is 10-15 days. A hit song/ tune can blaze with lakhs of hits and quickly go into oblivion. It is true for western albums too. Piracy and easy streaming of compressed music in MP3 format has taken the soul & juice out of music albums. Audiophile quality music requires audiophile quality equipment to record and deliver the actual soul of the instruments. Raaja believes in delivering the highest quality work in a field which is now reduced to mere copy fields and instant gratification. Raaja wants to deliver a Ferrari performance when rest of the Indian film world is happy with Maruti 800. I would encourage Raaja fans to listen to "Paazhasi Raaja" soundtrack in an audiophile quality receiver and speakers to enjoy his true depth of composition.
It's mind boggling to think that Maestro wrote the entire BGM score for Rudramadevi in Chennai with detailed notations and mailed the entire notes to London orchestra a week before he landed. The one week's time given to each individual orchestra gives enough practice period to play the full orchestra when Raaja is present. What an amazing brain work!!! I salute the Maestro in pulling this off. Even Hollywood music is not recorded this way in LA.
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Originally Posted by rajsekar
please read my posting carefully with the letters in BOLD added now for clarity - "....they come cheap and IR can demand Hungary for those with tighter budget and London for those with a larger budget - the quality BETWEEN LONDON AND HUNGARY may not differ much but they are much cheaper to hire than the orchestras in the US!.."
Quality wise they are likely much better than the Indian counterparts in many aspects as well
http://www.iluvcinema.in/telugu/buzz...ath-ilayaraja/
Is this going to be true or just one other rumours?
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Originally Posted by sivasub
this caught my eye "... Will this trio NTR, Ilayaraja, K. Viswanath able to re-create the magic of Sagara Sangamam?..."
is it so?
Kidapoosari Magudi Trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2QKOTm1lXw
how do i purchase audio cd ? i read article today in hindu honeybee is releasing but no other infoQuote:
Originally Posted by Sundar Varadarajan
There's going to be a Music concert by Guitar Prasanna and his group, who wil be playing Ilaiyaraja and Rahman songs in the concert , this Saturday 5/9/2015, organized by TNF ( Tamil Nadu Foundation ) NY chapter as part of Annual Mother's day fund raising event at Queens High School of Teaching , Frank Padavan campus, 74-20, Commonwealth Blvd, Bellrose, NY, 11426
http://cdn.tnfusa.org/wp-content/upl...dezn-curve.pdf
For all the Tristate area music fans who would like to attend, apparently this is the first time Guitar Prasanna is doing this kind of concert.
Some how I am unable to attach the flyer, the link above will take you.
Thanks
About an initiative from Radio City 91.1 fm
http://www.thehindu.com/features/cin...cle7188356.ece
Our great King's gift to all Mothers in this world. There are many songs in Indian cinema glorifying and praising "The Mother" but Ilaiyaraaja's two songs about Amma is beyond description.
1) The first song is my favorite and one of the top 10 hits of Malayalam going back many years. There are two versions sung by S Janaki and KJY. This song is very addictive, especially the orchestration and lyrics. One can forget about all their stress and worries after listening to this song. You don't have to consume alcohol to forget your worries, just listen to our King's song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELEaxpW1JPM
2) The second song is of course the great "Amma Entru Azhaikatha", acted by Rajini. Excellent lyrics and song delivery by KJY. You can hear this song umpteen number of times without getting tired.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_noGMpg2goM
Happy Mothers Day to all forum members and Raaja's fans!!! Long Live our King!!!
anyone knows why Raja sir is in Hyderabad the past 2 days? (I happened to pass by Raja sir's house 2 days ago.. got a glimpse of his white Toyoto car and another white Audi SUV.)
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.n...81667573_o.jpg
IR attended wedding of Mohanbabu's son. Must have been for that.
http://home.mykollywood.com/2015/05/...ght-goes-fast/
thanks,
Krishnan
Happened to be in Chennai for whole of this week and its a nice surprise that RadioCity FM (91.1) is playing only Raja songs for 24hours a day for 91.1 days... What a treat for all Raja Fans !!!
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Originally Posted by venkkiram
தான் இசை இயக்குனர் அல்ல, இசையை எழுதுபவர் (கம்போசர்) என்று ராஜா சார் சொல்ல கேட்டிருக்கிறேன். அவர் இசையில் கமா, புல் ஸ்டாப் வரை அவருடைய சிந்தனையில் உதிப்பவை என்று தான் நான் அறிந்திருக்கிறேன். அப்படி இருக்கையில், அவர் எழுதும் இசையை யார் வாசித்தால் என்ன? வாத்தியக்காரர்கள் பற்றா குறையால் ஐரோப்பா செல்கிறார் என்றால் ஏற்று கொள்ளலாம். இவருடைய இசையை ஐரோப்பியர்கள் வாசிப்பதால் அந்த இசை மேம்படுகிறது என்றால், ராஜா சார் எழுதுவதையும் தாண்டி, அங்குள்ளவர்களின் கைவண்ணத்தால் ஒரு மாயம் உருவாகிறது என்றல்லவா அர்த்தம்?
தோணி இசை வெளியீட்டுகாக ஆந்திரா சென்ற சமயத்தில், ஒரு தொலைகாட்சிக்கு அளித்த பேட்டியில், ஏன் ஹங்கேரி செல்கிறீர்கள் என்பது போன்ற ஒரு கேள்விக்கு, இங்குள்ளவர்கள் கொடுக்கும் காசுக்கு வேலை செய்கிறார்கள் என்றும், அங்குள்ளவர் இசைக்காகவே வாழ்கிறார்கள் என்கிற ரீதியில் பதில் சொல்லி இருந்தார். அதை அப்படியே நாம் நம்பினாலும், காசுக்காக வாசிக்கும் அந்த வாத்திய கோஷ்டிகள் கை வண்ணத்தில் தானே ஆயிரக்கணக்கான முத்துக்கள் நமக்கு கிடைத்தன?
இப்படி நான் சொல்வாதல், ராஜா சார் அயல் நாடு செல்வதில் எனக்கு உடன்பாடு இல்லை என்று பொருள் அல்ல.. அவர் எட்டு திக்கும் சென்று எல்லாரோடும் இனைந்து வேலை செய்ய வேண்டும். அதனால் அவருக்கு புத்துணர்ச்சியும், பழக்க வழக்கங்களும், புது வகை இசையும், அனுபவமும் கை கூடும். (இந்த விஷயத்தில் ரஹ்மான் தெளிவாக இருக்கிறார் என்று சொல்ல தோன்றுகிறது)
தாமதமாய் என் கருத்தை சொல்ல வந்ததற்கு மன்னிக்கவும்...
Fine nuances about IR in Dinamani for his birthday
http://www.dinamani.com/cinema/2015/...cle2847265.ece
IR's talk with NewIndianExpress:
http://www.newindianexpress.com/citi...cle2854371.ece
"...Ilaiyaraaja says that he has composed all genres. He also added that the music in the current project he is working on would be different. “We need to be different to survive. How long can people listen to the same old music!” he asks with a a laugh...."
thanks,
Krishnan
Thank you very much Krishnan!Quote:
Originally Posted by krish244
Alot of journalists and commoners make this mistake that thalaivar has a certain image of composing folkish western classical melodies. They seriously need to go through all his songs and will realize the number of genres and styles he has adapted into his own style which sounds so simple when heard together yet incredible complex when you try to break apart the composition to understand the nuances.
But at the same time this "image" happens because the directors of yesteryears only approached him for the same script and situation and mostly asked for the same type of 80s songs from him. Thankfully, thalaivar is much more choosy with the scripts and as a result, he has alot of interesting situations to compose for. Shamitabh and Neethane Ponvasantham are two very good examples of what he can do if you give him a different script and situation.
IR releasing tamil trailer of Rudramadevi movie:
http://tamil.filmibeat.com/news/ilai...er-035098.html
Surprising to see Pa.Vijay in the pictures. He is the lyricist for the tamil version!
thanks,
Krishnan
from the FB page.... courtesy Karthik S @milliblog
2 new Bengali albums with songs inspired by Ilayaraja's Tamil originals! Good song selection! http://on.fb.me/1Ls7x0y
IR's new & first English movie - Love & love only.
http://www.vikatan.com/cinema/article.php?aid=47404
That's a surprise new movie! Trailer available at https://www.facebook.com/Loveandloveonly.Movie . Curious to see what genre of songs IR has come up with. Not sure how much of an exposure will the movie get. Anyway, hoping for the best.Quote:
Originally Posted by dochu
thanks,
Krishnan
OMG! Why does he score for such amateurish attempts that may just about get a youtube release?
R.Sundarrajan shares experience of working with IR for the movie Mella Thirandhadhu Kadhavu.
http://tamil.filmibeat.com/news/this...ce-035341.html
thanks,
Krishnan
indha maadhiri uppumaa companykku ellam music pOttaa , can we even expect something worth wile? Raja is indeed a mystery !!!Quote:
Originally Posted by SVN
here is something for your weekend reading :-)
Ravi Natarajan's Isai Genius Raja. browse through the page for more posts starting from 2008 till now. Hope you like it.
http://geniusraja.blogspot.co.uk/200...1_archive.html