Not really sure, stranger! Is adultery illegal? Or is it immoral? I know it is grounds enough for divorce, but consensual sex between adults of the opposite sex in India may still be legal!Quote:
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Not really sure, stranger! Is adultery illegal? Or is it immoral? I know it is grounds enough for divorce, but consensual sex between adults of the opposite sex in India may still be legal!Quote:
Originally Posted by stranger
Actually, that is really very true! Perversity always existed, right from ancient times, in all countries. Dredging it up is what media does, with two consequences -Quote:
Originally Posted by stranger
a) makes the prudes mutter appropriate sounds of extreme shock, and judge the rest of the world
b) tempts more people into trying it
and neither remedies anything, if it doesn't actually make it worse!!!!
And with no offense to anyone in this group here, methinks people get a perverse titillation in actually discussing about this, even if they only mean to condemn it!
Well, I read it somewhere!
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Again, "beuaty" can be defined according the individual's convenience! :)
So much for now! :D
SP,
I thought what Sandeep was saying is that husbands agree to let their wives go with another male just for the sake of being involved with another male (as I know it in the UK), and not for prostitution!
If it is for prostitution, then of course no one has the right to judge these people. But I wondering since you said these are people who usually have no food and perhaps in need of other basic things, isn't there any government/social programs to help out? Like in North America, we have the welfare system proving shelter, food and basic clothing and if that is not enough, say you overspend in other areas and have no food, there are other programs such as food banks. Women alone with children get the utmost support from the welfare system. I think if India adopts such programs, it would be of great relief.
As to the effects of globalization on our culture, its happening everywhere. I happen to visit a girl from my home town a few months back in G. Her husband said to me, "girls and boys nowadays here are not like in our time". There watch all the western TV shows etc. some even go on drugs. I am sure if I go back in a few years, things will even be worse than they are now.
The drugs bit is due to the influence of the West Indies. Now G is forced to take in blacks from Jamaica and elsewhere due to overcrowdedness and they bring their Rastafari (drugs and dredlocks hairstyle) style which G never had.
Lammy,
You are right! People go astray for whatever reason and they come back to themelves. Sometimes its influence, curiosity or need for something different. Sometimes only after all this, they can really "appreciate" what they had or who they were and desire and want it again with most "value". They say, nothing stays the same forever!
Let me first apologise for having brought up what is to be hushed up, pushed under the carpet. I overestimated the power of a public forum & misunderstood "mooda mooda rOgam"!
I sincerely wanted to see the reactions of fellow hubbers ( are they prudish or "liberal"). I am satisfied to find some nauseated like me. There can be no pleasure, no perverse titillation, at least not for me, in discussing such shameful matters. Did I misjudge the maturity of the hubbers?
The news stranger provides about the rarity of its occurrence is immensely relieving. I had an unnecessary fear it might be the tip of an iceberg, God forbid!
The concept of individual freedom, "none of your business, whatever I do" is mind-boggling, How much is legal, moral, communal involvement/relevance found in such "free behaviours"? How much can we afford to be "free" in societal, political life to do what we "like"?
Q, I quoted the premarital sex bit because I found good sense in it. I wanted many more to read it.
You mean you found me (goodsense) in it :lol:
A thin line between wanting to preserve "culture" and moral policing, the likes of which have stunned India (with the Chennai disco incident, the policemen slapping couples in park episode etc)Quote:
Originally Posted by pavalamani pragasam
Like it or not, we are becoming part of a world culture. A culture that is quite invasive. The good news is that there is a vast population left that wishes to retain its old cultural identity. As long as that population suceeds, the balance will be maintained.
But that said, questioners of freedom will not find themselves or their views too popular. At best, they might find themselves snubbed with a "well, you are free to try and impose your rigid values on us, but you are not going to succeed."
The constant fluttering and wringing of hands we have been seeing in the Hub whenever anything sensational comes up is lame! I would say, grow up, the world is not a garden of sweet smelling roses. Chamber pots there too. And cry as one might, the chamber pots are going to remain. We can choose to look at them and cry about their existence, or prefer to smell the sweetness of the roses and make our lives happy, like Shakthi said.
Thanx, badri!
""beuaty" can be defined according the individual's convenience!"
No one here is trying to define beauty, but if we were to define it, I think we would be referring to the natural qualities be it morally or physically and not the un-natural.
In open discussions, we should not be offended when the issue is negative, focussing on our own people or those closest to us, but to look at the issue objectively if anything postive will come out of it.
Here we are discussing the un-natural and there is no point for indirect attacks or is it just guilt of past-casted stones? I wasn't even thinking about that, I was just as shocked when I heard it in Britain :wink: Never imagined such a think can exist (man and wife agreeing to swap partners for the night at couple bars and moreover, someone you are meeting for first time and don't even know):x
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a) makes the prudes mutter appropriate sounds of extreme shock, and judge the rest of the world
b) tempts more people into trying it
and neither remedies anything, if it doesn't actually make it worse!!!!
that this discussion is encouraging any person to do any of these things is absurd, I think everyone here atleast has the sense and maturity not to cowardly and wrongly blame a topic as the reason to their waywardness. Is it not their own decision to do so, no one is being forced or coerced. Is this not a forum to discuss are we to just say we have better things to do than care about a wronged population? I genuinely feel appalled and so have expressed it, for those who only say so for docorum's sake (if there are such persons) then they are only lying to themselves, and what is sadder than that?
To tell you about the legality of it in India, it is a bit strange..Quote:
Originally Posted by sbadri99
Yes. Sexual relationship with a married (adult) man or a woman is illegal..
But a case can be filed in court only on the complaint of the affected, ie, wife or husband couple in relationship. Police or anybody else cannot take action unless there is a complaint from the affected party.
The strange thing is, a case can be filed only against the man and not the WOMAN. A woman cannot be tried for adultry in India. (She can be tried for prostitution)
Now you talk about gender bias!!! :o :o :) :)
80,118 people died in road accidents through out India in the year 2000. In the same year 5,555 people where killed due to terrorism.
Which one should we discuss about ?
Prostitution is many times more common than rape. So shall we keep quiet about rape.
Its not the numbers that is in question here but the severity of actions.
Here we are talking about people being "broad minded" (huh!!!) enough to share ones partner just so that they can enjoy another person. They many be the extreme of the society but on a whole it shows the general degradation of Morals.
No doubt it shows a degradation of morals, but tsktsking about it in a forum does nothing! It will perhaps apall those who have not heard of it! Their lives might have been better for not hearing about it at all, than feel apalled at the existence of such deviant practices!!
And neither can we hide behind the "knowledge" excuse here.
There are a million practices - good, bad and ugly - in this world, and knowledge of them all is not going to help anyone any much.
Rape is the wrong example to quote. If any of the women in question were forced into this, then it is a legal issue. But if they had no qualms about it any more than their husbands, it is a moral issue only, and where morals are concerned, it is each man/woman to his/her own. And no other may judge them.
http://www.guria.org
http://www.petitiononline.com/guria/
fine then Badri then if my shock is only a gesture of propriety than i hope this will slightly redeem me from being just a prude. Here is something that can be done.
Now we are talking, Q!!! This is action! This is what we need now, this is what will help!
Thanks! :)
And what about my proposal of social programs like we have here? Do we need a petition for that as well? Or my concerns are not important on this issue .... and only amount to being prudent?
Goodsense,
These are not cases of financial problems or anything. This is just moral degradation and hence social programs as in US will not help.
Plus to tell the truth our expectations form the government are far limited.
Sorry, I was a bit confused there and this is why I was waiting for a response from SP. Got carried away with other responses in the meantime and got even more confused.
Badri,
finally someone whom I agree upon fully.
Goodsense,
FOOD MEANS NOT FOOD. (I meant thirst for diff things) :roll:
Tks for ur response, GS! Sorry, been away the last couple of days, got back just this morn.! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by goodsense
Neways, u 2 r right abt this 'change' in todays India being due to curiosity, apart from influence/need for sumthing 'differnt'....! This wat even our spiritual guru at the local RK mission told me whenever I'd discussed such problems w/ him.....He also stated tat a time wud come when our ppl. realise the ashes beneath the bed of roses tat is intoxicating them at the present so a change for the better wud come but no telling how soon/later!
Its jus tat things like 'free' sex, lavish & 'freaky' life, which were earlier restricted or not commonly available here, happen to be curiosity-arousing to most ppl. today & w. the current-day media/cinema getting so powerful, its a matter of time for such 'forbidden' matters to spread around so publicly....plus todays education system tat cliams to be based on 'secular' grounds, w/ the result tat its making ppl. intellectually/professionally strong but value-weak! Not a good combination u'll agree?!
Btw, a more amusing thing- when I was in hyd. thes last 2 days, I stayed w. an old friend of my dad's......I'd visited the RK math over there the other day & my mum says when she'd once called his house at tat time, he kept commenting to her, how & y youth like me shud 'waste their time' visiting such places or hav such 'uncommon' interests! So like, am I supposed to hang out in pubs/niteclubs, which sound more 'common' for many of my age?! :roll: :huh:
And surprisingly, he happen to be quite conservative/traditional! He & his wife happen to visit tat math too.....
This jus shows tat hez the typical Indian parent of today (altho his 2 sons r settled/married)......he feels tat studies r not the most imp. but the ONLY aspect of ne youth of tat age! He doesn't even care abt one taking interest in things related 2 our own culture/values! Or perhaps they mostly feel tat we cud get it all by doing well in studies itself, which is the most foolish assumption I cud think of!
So this is one more imp. reason y ppl. from my gen. onwards (inc. many girls!) hav been going astray once they r independent adults!
Many avg. parents today don't care to realise this even if is staring at them in the face! but r good at the blame game (viz. TV, flims, 'bad' friends etc.....) :x
Lammy,
Good to see you back. I will be away from here and would miss you like I have been recently, but will keep in touch by PMs (I hope) :)
PS. I will certainly miss certain other hubbers who caused me to have some enjoyable times here. I am getting into trouble with work being piled up and I am now forced to eliminate certain activities, in addition to some "disgusted experiences" here that stole some of my time. As we know, many of us come here with intentions to spend a small amout of time, which gets extended. Can't afford it, at least for sometime.
Happy Shivrari and bye for now.
:roll:
PS. I will certainly miss certain other hubbers who caused me to have some enjoyable times here. I am getting into trouble with work being piled up and I am now forced to eliminate certain activities, in addition to some "disgusted experiences" here that stole some of my time. As we know, many of us come here with intentions to spend a small amout of time, which gets extended. Can't afford it, at least for sometime.
Well U WIN SOME U LOSE SOME....lifes like that!!!!! :wink:
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:shock: :(
What happ with RP?
More news from AP!
tv9 has revealed sum shocking facts of a few beauty/massage parlours in hyd'bad.
Administrators/owners of these parlours first shot customers nude pictures and videos and later used the same to threaten them for money and/or to sexually exploit them! :evil:
Turns out somebody provided the list of those parlours altho I didn't find them mentioned.....
But plse be careful while visiting beauty parlours in hyd'bad if ne of u happen to visit ther.....
Last year even here in Vizag, ther was a report in the paper abt police arresting the owners of a beauty parlour here tat used to give massages as well......they were having them done by nude female employees, using them for prostitution within their parlours as well! until they were reported by a customer.
:oops:
A nice price we pay for our new-found beauty consciousness! An ugly side-effect of beauty culture!
Earlier (10+ yrs ago) beauty parlours wer only for ladies & customers as well as staff/management wer stirctly women......later on ther opend up parlours for men too run by men......unftly nowadays the 'unisex' trend is getting too popular in jus abt every sphere so u'll find parlours wher even female beauticians don't mind being employed to attend to male customers!
And vice versa!!!
Yes tat too in sum(?) cases! :oops: :xQuote:
Originally Posted by pavalamani pragasam
I guess I belong to the "Ladies Only" generation :oops:
Wats ther to feel embarassed abt?? :huh:Quote:
Originally Posted by ssanjinika
Tats good for u! :thumbsup: :)
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The thing is I never considered my self to be a part of "X Generation" :lol:.Always thought there was the previous generation and the current generation(including me).Progess has been so fast these past few years that theres a whole new generation inbetween now :roll:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lambretta
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Originally Posted by ssanjinika
Talk whatever I may..........
I am NOT comfy with the concept of men and women doing therapy or massage to EACH OTHER.
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I should say, when I watch MTV or other channels these days (I rarely watch watch nowadays cause, my daughter is always tuning it to cartoons)
the dresses they are clad in.......... makes me feel SAD. VERY SAD. (more than embarassed or angry)
After all its marketing, its each one's wish.............yet.................... somewhere around in some corner.......... the next gen is going to dogs. Cant really help feeling sad.
I can sense it. I feel sad. Nothing else can be done. :(
SP, you are growing up very fast!
Forget MTV, SP! I think most of the Bollywood, Tollywood, Kollywood films of today r far more potentialy hazardous as unlike the former, these r seen more WIDELY, by the MASSES all over our country!Quote:
Originally Posted by Shakthiprabha
Everytime I've gone to & from Hyd. by bus I feel irritated at the kind of movies they show in them during the journey (these r A/C 'Volvo' buses run by APSRTC)......once they showed 7G Brindavan colony (no need to say wich film it was dubbed from!) & this time they showd a couple of Tel. movies tat r so explicitly DUMB! Most of current day telugu movies esp. hav dumb comedy/comedians talking crappy jokes/double-meaning dialogues abt extra-marital relations, leching at the neighbour's wife & such......! I jus feel utterly disgusted to sit in the bus wher they play such films! 'wonder how the junta here cud be so stupid to actually not mind watching such films/see them as mere entertainment! :hammer:
And tat too they show these in buses where ppl. wud travel w/ ther families! :evil:
I think tats mainly y I don't find many women/children travelling by buses (atleast in the Vizag-Hyd. ones) nowadays.
Yea, nothing can be done maybe for the entire youth......but of course u cud always do nething & everything for ur own kid/s......glad u hav the perception to sense this early on!Quote:
I can sense it. I feel sad. Nothing else can be done. :(
Lambretta, in Tamilnadu, in private city buses running in the cities loud film songs blared to the utter irritation & embarrassment of many & cheap enjoyment of a few youth- the filthy songs of modern films! People cant help squirming! Not grown thick skinned yet in spite of such exposure in the MEDIA for so long! A miracle. May God be thanked!
Well, PP ma'm......I guess it wudn't be as irritating if they wer only blaring the songs (audio)......u can always shut ur ears at the noise! :)
But in my case u see the dumb video played thruout in front of u.....I cudn't even manage to sleep off imm'ly bcos of the glare from the screen keeping me awake! :x :(