WHO IS BEST ACTION HERO ?

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Originally Posted by Corleone

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Originally Posted by raaja_rasigan

My question on Thala movies:

Y Thala movies are not able to sustain the so called great openings given by his fans...
is there anything to do with family audience ..

for eg: kreedom may be a hit (?) but it has been replaced by some other new movies ... in half the no of theaters it released (at least in my city ... coimbatore 4 -> 1 1/2) within 1 month..

is Ajith just the king of opening (alone)

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IMO thats bcos THALA's movies are good.

Opening purely depends on the fan base strength and expectations of the star. When it comes to fan base THALA is second to none. So he is king of openings.
Family audience go for a movie ONLY if it good and entertaining.
Even thou kreedam is good it cant be termed as an entertainer.

THALA's best 2 movies in the last 7 yrs are Villain and Varalaru. Even though THALA's performance was mindboggling Villain and Varalaru are not 100% entertainers.
Unfortunately for some reason THALA never got an action packed entertainer like Gilli, Dhool, Saamy, Run, Gajini, etc.
I am having huge hopes on Billa. Hope Billa wud be something like above mentioned movies.

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i asked this because of those bolded lines

raaja rasigan

Are the movies that did not sustain worthy of becoming hits? or would it have done a far better job at BO with some other heroes? The bad films are destained to bomb. Because of his star value, the films managed to have great openings. If done by others, the opening would be a non-existence. How did Kathal kOttai, Vaali, Citizen, Villan, Dheena, Varaalaaru etc become box office success? They only managed openings? As far as I know, Varalaaru ran around 100 days and gross was more than of 200-days films
jana, anjaneya, aalwar, ji range from average to very bad. Because he continually acted in the bad ones, some people formed this funny opinion 'only opening and no sustainment'. Varalaaru shattered the short-lived myth.

After seeing the first half of Varalaaru, I thought it's gonna flop. But the second half eased my tentions and I started to have confidence on the film.
I watched FDFS of Kireedom here. I was satisfied with the first half, but was hugely dissapointed with second-half. I expected a lot. I even betted with one hardcore Thala fan, Kireedom is gonna bomb. But it didn't. It was far better compared to his recent films. BTW, You've asked this questions many times and I replied you with the same points every time.

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Originally Posted by Pras

Corleone,

I made a small calcul ... you said varalaaru collected 10 crores in 2 days ... that means 5 crores in 1 day :

50 000 000 => 5 crores
let's say that ticket price is RS. 200

50 000 000 / 200 = 250 000

means that 250000 people have watched the movie in a day ... let's now say that each theatre has a capacity of 1000 seat :

250 000 / 1000 = 250 ... makes 250 shows a day
each theatre shows 4 times the movie per day :

250 / 4 = 62.5

at least 62, 1000 seats theatres have declared house full for 2 days with 4 shows per day and with ticket rates of about RS. 200 !!!! weird :?

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Pras,

Varalaaru opened with 300 prints with 5 to 6 shows on the first 2 days. The average theater occupancy was 110% (thanks to standees and extra chairs). Now pls do the same calculation with an average theater size of just 600 and with the average ticket fare of just Rs.50.

This itself contributes to more than 10 crores.

If you consider that the 300 prints being shared by more than 300 theaters and a ticket price of 100 or 200 (minimun ticket fare during the opening weekend was Rs.100 in any theater) then the actual figures wud be extra ordinary.

Thats the power of THALA.

Billa is coming to break this record and create an unprecedented one.

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Originally Posted by raaja_rasigan

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Originally Posted by Corleone

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Originally Posted by raaja_rasigan

My question on Thala movies:

Y Thala movies are not able to sustain the so called great openings given by his fans...
is there anything to do with family audience ..

for eg: kreedom may be a hit (?) but it has been replaced by some other new movies ... in half the no of theaters it released (at least in my city ... coimbatore 4 -> 1 1/2) within 1 month..

is Ajith just the king of opening (alone)

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IMO thats bcos THALA's movies are good.

Opening purely depends on the fan base strength and expectations of the star. When it comes to fan base THALA is second to none. So he is king of openings.
Family audience go for a movie ONLY if it good and entertaining.
Even thou kreedam is good it cant be termed as an entertainer.

THALA's best 2 movies in the last 7 yrs are Villain and Varalaru. Even though THALA's performance was mindboggling Villain and Varalaru are not 100% entertainers.
Unfortunately for some reason THALA never got an action packed entertainer like Gilli, Dhool, Saamy, Run, Gajini, etc.
I am having huge hopes on Billa. Hope Billa wud be something like above mentioned movies.

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i asked this because of those bolded lines

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I would blame it on THALA's script sense.

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Originally Posted by Vivek4life

BTW, You've asked this questions many times and I replied you with the same points every time.

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exactly..... but i am unable to identify u.... may be u hav been in some other id... but this time i hav asked without any emotion icons...

most of the time i thought of asking this because i repeatedly c that u people say ji, jana, paramasivan etc. are average & not a loss to producers which people (other than ajith fans) normally think that (including me) are flops.....

PRAS MACHI...

VARALAARU PADATHUKKU COVAI KGLA NAAN BLACK LA THAAN

PAATHEN MACHI...IST DAY IST SHOW 200 RUPEES....

ARCHANA THEATRELA ORU RECORD MACHI...VARALAARU

PADATHUKKU....NORMALA 100 % OPENINGS THAAN IRUKKUM.

BUT VARALAARU 110 % MACHI....

YEPPEEDEENNA 10 % KEELA UKKAAANTHU PAATHAANGHA :D

ITHU THAAN KOVAI ARCHANA RECORD MACHI :swinghead:

ITHU THAAN THALA MAGIC MACHI :thumbsup:

KOOTTI KALICHU PAARU KANAKKU SARIYAA VARUM MACHI :wink:

though i like Ajith, esp after movies like vaali , varalaru...Vikram and Surya are far better actors than Ajith and VJ , this is my HUMBLE opninion

raja Rasigan

ajith king of opening-a , intha camady keemady thane venamrathu

EMPEROR of INDIA and BO is well known to every1, do i need to utter his MANTRA??

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Originally Posted by Raghu

though i like Ajith, esp after movies like vaali , varalaru...Vikram and Surya are far better actors than Ajith and VJ , this is my HUMBLE opninion

raja Rasigan

ajith king of opening-a , intha camady keemady thane venamrathu

EMPEROR of INDIA and BO is well known to every1, do i need to utter his MANTRA??

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He must have said that leaving Rajini and Kamal.

Among the current generation, it shud be Ajith and Vijay.

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Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

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Originally Posted by Raghu

though i like Ajith, esp after movies like vaali , varalaru...Vikram and Surya are far better actors than Ajith and VJ , this is my HUMBLE opninion

raja Rasigan

ajith king of opening-a , intha camady keemady thane venamrathu

EMPEROR of INDIA and BO is well known to every1, do i need to utter his MANTRA??

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He must have said that leaving Rajini and Kamal.

Among the current generation, it shud be Ajith and Vijay.

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agreed :)

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Originally Posted by Raghu

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Originally Posted by Ramakrishna

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Originally Posted by Raghu

though i like Ajith, esp after movies like vaali , varalaru...Vikram and Surya are far better actors than Ajith and VJ , this is my HUMBLE opninion

raja Rasigan

ajith king of opening-a , intha camady keemady thane venamrathu

EMPEROR of INDIA and BO is well known to every1, do i need to utter his MANTRA??

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He must have said that leaving Rajini and Kamal.

Among the current generation, it shud be Ajith and Vijay.

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agreed :)

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YES

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Originally Posted by raaja_rasigan

My question on Thala movies:

Y Thala movies are not able to sustain the so called great openings given by his fans...
is there anything to do with family audience ..

for eg: kreedom may be a hit (?) but it has been replaced by some other new movies ... in half the no of theaters it released (at least in my city ... coimbatore 4 -> 1 1/2) within 1 month..

is Ajith just the king of opening (alone)

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Now i saw today's Dailythanthi (kovai edition)..... no ad for kreedom.... it means it has been replaced in all the theaters .... latest by Rush hour

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Originally Posted by raaja_rasigan

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Originally Posted by raaja_rasigan

My question on Thala movies:

Y Thala movies are not able to sustain the so called great openings given by his fans...
is there anything to do with family audience ..

for eg: kreedom may be a hit (?) but it has been replaced by some other new movies ... in half the no of theaters it released (at least in my city ... coimbatore 4 -> 1 1/2) within 1 month..

is Ajith just the king of opening (alone)

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Now i saw today's Dailythanthi (kovai edition)..... no ad for kreedom.... it means it has been replaced in all the theaters .... latest by Rush hour

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R_R,

Have u seen kreedam ??

I cant agree with some people saying the likes of Rajni and Kamal are the best action heroes.. of course its their own opionion and i respect it..
especially Kamal who always tries something interesting in fight seqeunces.. (Bench fight in TTT, silambattam in DM and umbrella fight in AS)
but for me they are full blown entertainers.. who has given us 5 Star comedy classic? Kamal.. who has given us the best tamil movie ever? Kamal..who has given us the biggest hit ever.. Rajni..
So, they are on their own level.. when we talk about Kamal and Rajni, first thing pops to mind is their acting (Kamal) Style (Rajni)

Like for Arjun, Vijaykanth and Sarath.. action is their main priority.. they have the phsyique to make fight scenes believable (not that Rajni and Kamal dont have any, but).. who is the first man comes to mind when we talk about action scenes.. Arjun..
so they dedicated their careers to action movies and action movies alone.. so its unfair to compare them to wholesome entertainers like Rajni and Kamal...

@Taking Risks:
idhai indha tharuNathil ingE nAn kUrikkoLLa kadamaippattirukkirEn :)

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Originally Posted by Ajith

He’s undergone 14 surgeries and his spine has been fused at three levels! But Ajith has always bounced back into circulation. A medical marvel almost! “I’ve been through hell. I want all the ailing folks out there to know that if you have the determination you can overcome the worst obstacles… The best part is the risky stunts I do have never gone awry. But simple stuff such as jumping off a stool, have confined me to bed!” he laughs.

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Originally Posted by crajkumar_be

@Taking Risks:
idhai indha tharuNathil ingE nAn kUrikkoLLa kadamaippattirukkirEn :)

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Originally Posted by Ajith

He’s undergone 14 surgeries and his spine has been fused at three levels! But Ajith has always bounced back into circulation. A medical marvel almost! “I’ve been through hell. I want all the ailing folks out there to know that if you have the determination you can overcome the worst obstacles… The best part is the risky stunts I do have never gone awry. But simple stuff such as jumping off a stool, have confined me to bed!” he laughs.

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:notworthy: :notworthy:

Duhh, it is OBVIOUSLY Arjun,

Ezhumala :P

biggest hit ever given by rajini????

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Originally Posted by Devar Magan

biggest hit ever given by rajini????

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Best comedy movie ever by KH :shock:
Best tamil movie ever by KH :cry:

:yes:

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Originally Posted by Devar Magan

biggest hit ever given by rajini????

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pinna enna Ramarasan-a??? :confused2:
:twisted:

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Originally Posted by Devar Magan

biggest hit ever given by rajini????

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pinna enna Ramarasan-a??? :confused2:
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Athellam DMkku theriyaathu, but Rajini mattum illa??......
May be kamalahaasarnu ninechikkitrupaaru pola!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Devar Magan

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Offcourse, illaya pinna!!!!
Neenga sonna sarthaan!!!!!!!!!!

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who has given us the biggest hit ever.. Rajni..

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Do you mean only in TN or all over india?

Apoorva sahodararhal.
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BLOCK BUSTER in south india(TN,Andhra,kerala and Karanataka)
Super hit in North india.

Indian.
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BLOCK BUSTER in south india(TN,Andhra,kerala and Karanataka)
Super hit in North india.

Marocharitha.
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Block buster in Andhra and karnataka.
Ek duje keliye(Remake of Marocharithra
Block buster in north india.

One and only other language movie ran 500 days in chennai.

Can you give any tamil hero name who has given hits like above?

Hope you will understand now...

For me
1. Superstar rajini - billa, ranga, thalapathy etccc
2. Ajith - ullasam, dheena, amarkalam etccc

woow nice 2 see ajith topping :clap: :2thumbsup:

My personal opinion is that Ajith, Maddy do well in action, but they have really innocent faces. For example, in Attagasam, during the action scenes, Ajith's face just didn't ooze the anger and violence, but seemed soft. Same with Maddy in films like Rendu. It's not that they're bad at action, but these two are definitely more apt for romance.

Vikram, Vijay, and Surya, although not great, definitely personify anger and action in respective films like Dhool, Ghilli, and Aaru. They also have more rugged appearances, which adds to the effect.

Rajini and Kamal are great, no doubt, especially since they've had so much practice with the wide variety of action roles they've done over the years. I love Rajini in Thalapathy.

But similar to Raghu and others, my vote goes to ACTION KING Arjun! He is the BEST at action, IMO and he should be on the list. :(

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Originally Posted by Raikkonen

I cant agree with some people saying the likes of Rajni and Kamal are the best action heroes.. of course its their own opionion and i respect it..
especially Kamal who always tries something interesting in fight seqeunces.. (Bench fight in TTT, silambattam in DM and umbrella fight in AS)
but for me they are full blown entertainers.. who has given us 5 Star comedy classic? Kamal.. who has given us the best tamil movie ever? Kamal..who has given us the biggest hit ever.. Rajni..
So, they are on their own level.. when we talk about Kamal and Rajni, first thing pops to mind is their acting (Kamal) Style (Rajni)

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:clap:...yes...reasonable post... :)...

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Originally Posted by Raikkonen

...who is the first man comes to mind when we talk about action scenes.. Arjun..
so they dedicated their careers to action movies and action movies alone.. so its unfair to compare them to wholesome entertainers like Rajni and Kamal...

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...Arjun is the action hero...:)

KF...:D :thumbsup:...

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Originally Posted by RajaRam

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who has given us the biggest hit ever.. Rajni..

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Do you mean only in TN or all over india?

Apoorva sahodararhal.
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BLOCK BUSTER in south india(TN,Andhra,kerala and Karanataka)
Super hit in North india.

Indian.
----------
BLOCK BUSTER in south india(TN,Andhra,kerala and Karanataka)
Super hit in North india.

Marocharitha.
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Block buster in Andhra and karnataka.
Ek duje keliye(Remake of Marocharithra
Block buster in north india.

One and only other language movie ran 500 days in chennai.

Can you give any tamil hero name who has given hits like above?

Hope you will understand now...

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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

There is no one even in the whole universe..
The agony is that none other than you knew about all the above...

Well said again.............I know you have more to offer.....

On Kamal-is very skilled in karatee, silambam and all sorts of fights and always tries to make his fights different, entertaining and more interesting. rest is left for Kamal devotees. When you talk of 'risk', Kamal's name will strike you in no time.

It's definitely Ajith in the present generation. He lived as a tough rowdy guy in Amarkalam. From the intro to the climax, He was excellent in every action scenes. He's probably the best in giving the right expressions for such scenes. In Dheena, take that shutter scene fight. No words can do justice to the expressions he's shown. The intro fight in the flashback scenes. Check out his Vaali for facial expressions, where the villan Ajith beats up a hang for molestation.

I think somebody mentioned that he looked soft in Attagasam :rotfl: .. Well.. he was supposed to be very innocent, soft and a bit allergic to fights. The dada Ajith, from the Thala pola varuma song, never looked soft or romantic. He's an actor(!!!) and he differentiated both roles to perfection.

Regarding taking risks. The type of risks he takes is normally a big ask for many many actors. Despite having undergone 14 operations, he's done stunts without dope. For such people, even jumping and running should be risky. No director failed to lavish praise on his daring stunts in interviews. Risk is synonymous to Ajith.

MGR-ivar paththi solrathukku naan yaar? :P.

Maddy and Dhanush are noteworthy Maddy's fights may not be commendable but he has a knack for showing expressions of anger..eg Thambi, Jay Jay.
Dhanush was suprisingly good in Kathal Kondein.. some of the scenes were reminiscent of gap10.
gap10 is very under-rated in this department. Just ask all the Paki terr..

I was talking about the dada in Attagasam. :roll: I felt that he looked more convincing playing the "soft" character in Attagasam, that's all. Vivek, I know that he puts a lot of dedication into his stunts and stuff, but that has to do with his dedication, which I agree, is admirable.

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Originally Posted by omega

The agony is that none other than you knew about all the above...

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idhane venamgaradhu...

Yes, CM is the biggest Tamil hit (going by absolute value) but adhukkaaga "none other than you knew about all the above" nu solradhellam over... :roll:

i.e, RR gave the right facts to the wrong "kostin"...

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Originally Posted by omega

The agony is that none other than you knew about all the above...

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idhane venamgaradhu...

Yes, CM is the biggest Tamil hit (going by absolute value) but adhukkaaga "none other than you knew about all the above" nu solradhellam over... :roll:

i.e, RR gave the right facts to the wrong "kostin"...

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CR aNNE,
ithukkellAm kaaraNam karthikeyan SIR dhAn. thEva illAma avaru dhAn sambandhamE illAma pEsinAppla :cry:
And RR aNNE facts-la sila pala pizhaigaL uLLathu!

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Originally Posted by crajkumar_be

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Originally Posted by omega

The agony is that none other than you knew about all the above...

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idhane venamgaradhu...

Yes, CM is the biggest Tamil hit (going by absolute value) but adhukkaaga "none other than you knew about all the above" nu solradhellam over... :roll:

i.e, RR gave the right facts to the wrong "kostin"...

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Sarthaan, neenga solliteengaley, kandippa sariyaathaan irukkum....
Exactly, you said it right, he said the right info to wrong kostin...
And RR always does...All his info has been 100% correct ever, only think he tries to sell those to the wrong people ( :banghead: )

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Originally Posted by Kollywoodfan

I was talking about the dada in Attagasam. :roll: I felt that he looked more convincing playing the "soft" character in Attagasam, that's all. Vivek, I know that he puts a lot of dedication into his stunts and stuff, but that has to do with his dedication, which I agree, is admirable.

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The Dada in Attagasam looked soft :rotfl: next in line, Vaali villan character looked very romantic, soft and never looked like a baddie and then the villan in Varalaaru looked more adorable than the gud guy Ajith?? :shock: It was his best performance in dada types of roles by a long way. He maintained the tough look from the intro to the end of the film. He even maintained it in his intro song, this is where lesser talents don't do justice. In Kathal kOttai, a romantic movie, he showed a great range of expressions in the fight scenes.

Did you try other films I mentioned..? whatever you might say won't matter to me because I know where it's coming from so :wave:

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Originally Posted by Vivek4life

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Originally Posted by Kollywoodfan

I was talking about the dada in Attagasam. :roll: I felt that he looked more convincing playing the "soft" character in Attagasam, that's all. Vivek, I know that he puts a lot of dedication into his stunts and stuff, but that has to do with his dedication, which I agree, is admirable.

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The Dada in Attagasam looked soft :rotfl: next in line, Vaali villan character looked very romantic, soft and never looked like a baddie and then the villan in Varalaaru looked more adorable than the gud guy Ajith?? :shock: It was his best performance in dada types of roles by a long way. He maintained the tough look from the intro to the end of the film. He even maintained it in his intro song, this is where lesser talents don't do justice. In Kathal kOttai, a romantic movie, he showed a great range of expressions in the fight scenes.

Did you try other films I mentioned..? whatever you might say won't matter to me because I know where it's coming from so :wave:

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i really cant blive ajith can do romance but his action movies r the greatest hits in his carrier he has a very rough face and best hero 2 do action movies

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I was talking about the dada in Attagasam. :roll: I felt that he looked more convincing playing the "soft" character in Attagasam, that's all. Vivek, I know that he puts a lot of dedication into his stunts and stuff, but that has to do with his dedication, which I agree, is admirable.

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The Dada in Attagasam looked soft :rotfl: next in line, Vaali villan character looked very romantic, soft and never looked like a baddie and then the villan in Varalaaru looked more adorable than the gud guy Ajith?? :shock: It was his best performance in dada types of roles by a long way. He maintained the tough look from the intro to the end of the film. He even maintained it in his intro song, this is where lesser talents don't do justice. In Kathal kOttai, a romantic movie, he showed a great range of expressions in the fight scenes.

Did you try other films I mentioned..? whatever you might say won't matter to me because I know where it's coming from so :wave:

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:roll: I never said he was bad in those roles, but if you're that over-sensitive about it, fine, have it your way. I said the same thing about Maddy too, for your information. If you mean Vijay with lesser, I know he's not the best either. This is just my opinion. There's nothing to argue about. :wave:

in the present scenario... every one does the action scenes well & good... for eg: vishal & paruthiveeran karthi, but sometimes konjam overa irukku.... like dhanush in sullan

YAAAA YOUNGSTERS NALLA PANRAANGHA UNMATHAAN...

SANDAKOZHI VISHAL, PARUTHIVEERAN KARTHI,
ARINTHUM ARIYAMALUM ARYA....

BUT IVANGALUKKELLAM GURU..............

ULTIMATE STAR THALA AJITH JI :smokesmirk:

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Best comedy movie ever by KH
Best tamil movie ever by KH

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Please give your list.
(uthiri pookkal,mullum malarum,johny-nu sollidatheenga.... :cry2: )

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And RR aNNE facts-la sila pala uLLathu!

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pizhaigaL ennanu sonna naan thiruthi kolluven... :P