andha scene imho kandippa surya nalla pannirupaplaQuote:
Originally Posted by MADDY
u take away the "urban " factor from that role - surya would be as good as maddy which is ofcourse the best performance of maddy.
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andha scene imho kandippa surya nalla pannirupaplaQuote:
Originally Posted by MADDY
u take away the "urban " factor from that role - surya would be as good as maddy which is ofcourse the best performance of maddy.
Maddy,Quote:
Originally Posted by MADDY
I can think of quite a few actors who have held their own or outshone Kamal when sharing sharing screen space with him. So I don't agree with the underlying assumption here to begin with.
Anyway, let's take the bottle scene in AE. Did you think Madhavan walked away with that scene? If yes, oNNiyum solRadhukku illai. To me, the scene is superb precisely because of the way Surya and Madhavan match wits against each other.
absoleetlyQuote:
Originally Posted by Vivasaayi
absoleetly againQuote:
Originally Posted by Vivasaayi
naan evlo mukkinalum, thirumba thirumba Surya-Madhavan panchayathula dhaan idhu nikkudhu...
AnbE sivathula the scene before the climax as well - Sivam, you are a good man - (not sure about the dialogue). Adhula. 30% kooda surya not fossible. :lol2:
Anbe Sivam - Surya not possible as a whole package - agree. But that role was made for Maddy - Maddy is naturally savvy. surya could have done some of the emotions but the savvy, the snobbishness, andha immersed-in-his-ignorant-biased-world view I dont think Surya could have matched.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nerd
Versatility-nu pechu varache, you are talking of his comfort zone there so it doesnt prove anything in the context of this thread.
Surya pandradhu Maddyala mudiyadhu, maddy pandradhu surya-vala mudiyadhu - idhukku pala examples solla mudiyum. As long as Surya can do a Maddy role in his own way, it should be fine and vice versa.
Personally, while Surya sucked in parts of Vel and Aaru, Maddy apdi andha padangalile parts-layavadhu shine panni irupparungareenga?
<Dig> A2A, ennadhu idhu? Graphics/Make-up munnAdi edutha photo-va ellAm popularize panna koodAdhu. Snagar thalaivar original color-la varavechiduvaan pOlayE.. Even then indha maadhiri oily looks ellaam :oops: <ends>
surya would have managed abe sivam definitely...
but think maddy in pithamagan - :lol:
Plum, aaru vEl, ethiri, ennavaLE ellaam hopeless films (in terms of scope to perform). So adhellaam freeyA vitruvOm. In fact Maddy/Surya rendu peraiyum vitruvOm. Nessst yaarubA?
Vivs, disagree. Maddy was fine in Edhiri. He carried off that role with elan. Again, within his comfort zone - I havent seen Evano Oruvan - that might tell me what Maddy's full range is probably. But andha marathi version of the movie kandraavi paarthu tholaichutten - so tamil-la paarka motivation illai.
ennavaLe - Maddy's own Uyirile Kalandhadu!
Just compare Surya's performance in kaaka kaaka with Kamal's in vetteiyaadu vilaiyaadu. We will know what acting is. Like i said Surya can be dramatic in his emotions at times that the flow of the role is gone, but that is if you analyse too much.
1. General Audience - Surya is certainly the next big thing if you try not to analyse his acting skills too much. He does have a presence.
2. Critics - Good but not great. There are alot of artificial or maybe the best word, limitations in his acting skillset that when you want to compare with actors like kamal and rajini, he certainly is not there.
In reality he is already the next big thing, in fact he is one of the few heroes besides kamal and rajini who can pull in housefull shows in singapore. But since we are using our own perception of his talent than anything else, i can safely say he still has a long way to go. Basically he needs to get it right for the sequences that requires him to be more composed.
Madhavan really impresses me more cause he makes the scene look impressive without having to be dramatic. He really makes good use of his body language, expressions in such a way that the scene is quite memorable but we dunt really notice his acting. Most of us here would scratch our heads when we see some of his movies but if you were to carefully look back he is so subtle that the scene does not lose its flow. It does not look impressive on first hand but he just gets himself in the scene without having to enhance it something like how rajini used to do for alot of films.
Actually vivs ur using it wrongly. At that time Surya was not known for his comic timing and such a role would have have been ROTFL for us, but bala changed him completely into a entertainer. I am sure Maddy would have done in it his own style.
Plum I think you meant to address me. Naan ethiri pArkkalai summA oru flow-la vanthuruchu.. :)
nesstu is notionally Dhanush. But people are only interested in Madhavan- Surya!
he he, namakku eppovume indha confusion konjam jaasthinga...Quote:
Originally Posted by Nerd
bala change pannara maniratnam change panaara apdingradhu vishayam illaQuote:
Originally Posted by Hulkster
Maddy nala pithamagan panna mudiyumangadhuthan matteru!
But surya fans don't worry. Surya-va buplic-um sari, critics-um (vijay awards :lol2: )sari engEyO thookkittaanga. Madhavana yaarum madhikkirathillai (except multiplex audience)
He can actually, your imagining it in surya's zone so of course it is impossible. But Maddy has his own brand of humour which i am sure if he had done it first you would say surya cant certainly do it.
I think the most underrated actor after Madhavan. There are people who only started noticing him here after Polladhavan. Before that he was considered so-so. Pudhupettai really showed what he is capable of. The teen role at the start was probably walk in the park but the anger he showed as a gangster and some of the emotions are splendid. In fact i remember one french film critic mentioning dhanush reminding him of a young Al Pacino.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
Scenes like:
The scene where dhanush counts the gangsters who come to avenge him while he is holding his aruval. Anger and fear coming together.
The scene where he doubts his newborn child.
Most scenes with sonia agharwal and of course scenes where he is faced with adversity.
It is only after this movie that i believed that you dunt need to be muscular and mean looking to be a gangster.
pithamagan maddy stylela panna - adhu MBA mudicha sakthi madhiri irukkumQuote:
Originally Posted by Hulkster
but surya can be a "born and brought up in town" advertisement designer if not an urban guy
It wasn't a role in Surya's 'zone'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulkster
Or - warning big statement ahead - it doesn't look like Surya has a defined comfort zone.
Oru udharanathukku ('assault a cool aana nadippu') sonnen-ga. Ella role-um avar panra madhiri panna velaikkavadhu nu solla vandhen. MonotonyQuote:
Originally Posted by Avadi to America
Nandha-kku munnAdi did any of us think uyirilE kalanthathu surya could pull that off? :lol2:
Btw has surya ever played a stupid common man role? (Not the chocolate boy kind)
On Dhanush, he was sort of good in BM's AOKK too.
TFI la solla mudiyumQuote:
Originally Posted by Vivasaayi
Dhanush is a very impressive actor. But he has not done much variety has he ? wrt Dhanush I am cat on the wall as far as versatility goes.
Well no actor has a defined comfort zone actually. Surya if you ask me looks very comfortable in movies where he needs to entertain. He forces himself in roles which are complex. Even vijaykanth has been proven to act in films which are not necessarily action-based.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram
I think we should say it as what we feel is their strongest area of expertise.
That Maddy style of humour would be urbanised is far-fetched. He pulled off the innocent and naive role in nala damayanthi very well and he can certainly do it in pithamagan. Like i said imagining him now in that film will look stupid as Bala built that script around those sort of characters and he wanted those sort of emotions so Surya suited them to a T. But its possible to play that role with Maddy but he would have to change the screenplay but not necessarily urbanized.
apdillam escape aaga mudiyaddhu CR. Neenga Wood-ai mattum BOLD formatting paNNi silent-a signal kudutheenga - naan paarthen pa naan paarthen.Quote:
Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
any example?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nerd
Idhai naan type paNNittu back-up pandra aLavukku dhairayam illama post pannalai!Quote:
Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram
Yes, Bharath - Kadhal la fantastic performance, competent in Fattiyal, good in Veyyil....
Thanus - PP, Polladhavan (he does well in the TA roles but thats sambar and rice for him)
Innum konjam edhirpaakkaren
yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram
infact thats a certificate for his versatility after a considerable number of films
What do you guys really define versatility as? As one who plays different type of roles or one who could give the required performance for any movie he acts in as even for a similar role screenplay can be different.
I consider the latter a much effective way of deciding a actor. The former only defines type of roles but not necessarily how good the actor is.
Hulk,
One who plays different roles convincingly as against someone who might be part of different kinds of films playing different roles but not convincingly
Mahanadhi, EvanO oruvan, yaavarum nalam etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vivasaayi
May be he is too young (or at least looks so)..
hulkster,
no actor has defined a comfort zone-a?
madhavan - chocolate boy
alaipayuthe,minnale,dum dum dum,run,nala dhamayandhi,jay jay
paadhi padam chocolate boythan
i dont understand...u mean family man?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nerd
then goundamani could be rated as the best actor ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulkster
"nala dhamayandhi" - A very decent attempt. Adhu chocolate boy madhiri theriliye. Can't see anybody else (other than Kamal) doing justice to that role apart from Maddy
"Run" - Adhula angry young man dhaane
Thats not exactly comfort zone, they maybe similar in themes but differ in actual performance required. jay jay and minnale were quite similar but the rest were different.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vivasaayi
for me atleast
alaipayuthe,minnale,dum dum dum and jay jay ae similar