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TISK, the last thing you need to do now is waste time defending yourself against hubbers who dont know the whole situation and are just raking up muck taking this opportunity. Try to see how you can sell the rest of the CDs instead. Like I said, if it is possible you can use some contacts and sell it in TN itself, if that is feasible. If the idea sounds stupid, drop it. Beyond a point, the market in US might be saturated. I have written ina few classical forums about this, but not sure whether it had much impact.
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Less than 24 hours after TiS got released, I got an update email from some of the srilankan/canadian sites which said TiS was put up for download. I fired a mail to IRYG asking them to bombard the notorious sites with threats/complaints. However some of the wise owls of IRYG talked some philosophy and requested members to pussyfoot the issue and not waste time fighting piracy. I got banned from those sites as well for posting against those admins.
For few months, TiS yegapatta sites-la jagajodhiya available-a irunchu...even now it might be...
a sorry state of affairs overall...if only ppl knew the difference between idolatry and common sense
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Festival time wishes to you all! Its been long I visited the forum, today when I read the report and the responses to it from all of you, felt very sad and shocked. Namba Raaja why ippadi pannittar? Iit is disturbing. I idolize Shri.Ilayaraaja. But if it is not for his fans this project is not possible. Tis-usa and Tamil maiyam should get back the money they invested with out loss. We are supporting you as much as we can.
Dr.shankar, thanks for a wonderful conversation. You are a very gracious man and hope TIS-usa will get the money back without a loss.
I urge Shri.Ilayaraaja to correct it and do the rt thing, so that the fans who passionately out of love for His music took loans to bring out this musical masterpiece, His dream project to come true will not lose. Otherwise it is damaging to Shri.Ilayaraaja’s image.
Come on Raaja, Please! We love you and your music so much.
Friends, lets not ponder over the issue, instead help TIS-USA to sell the cds.
Dr.Shankar and Tamil maiyam people, I am very proud of you!! Thanks a lot for the hard work and BIG Heart!! Love, vinatha.
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TISK! U r mistaken.
It was a general comment(advice) and I Sincerely didnt mean to hurt you in anyway :o :( . Yen, antha advice yennakkum porundhum.
Vijayr quote:
just raking up muck taking this opportunity
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:banghead: nallathukku kaalam illai. I have been a regular visitor of IR threads and even I wrote a review on TIS.
I will better sign off. Henceforth If I have to post anything in IR thread I will remove my avatar & sign's to avoid any misunderstandings.
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I wonder about the reality of this news. I think this news will be like gossip.
I don't like this would be a true. It may be a lie or Gossip or happened due to misunderstanding. Nothing to worry about Raja's conduct.
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Scale,
Iam still a veriyan of IR's Music and idolize him as my GOD. But still 'Kadavulae irunthalum Thappu panna thatti ketkira parambariyam undu intha mannukku. Netrikan Thirapinum Kutram kutramae'nu sonna marabu nambaluthu'
Anaikku Shivan Thappu pannar Innaiku avar bakthar Thappu pannittu irukaar :(
There should be someway these questions reach IR and make him realize what kind of blunder he is doing.
Well lets get down to facts
The project was conceived by Raja and eventually got hold of a Production house called 'Tamil Mayyam' lead by Father Jegath.
The agreement was such that TM will mobilize funds for the production of the album and Raja will be involved only in scoring the music. In the beginning it was stated that it will be produced in 4 languages viz., Tamil, Hindi, English and german and the proceeds will 'go into setting up a music college in Srilanka and Tamilnadu respectively. By and By they dropped the plan of producing in 4 languages and went for producing it only in tamil. They also dropped the plan of setting up a music college. I dont know what transpired in between and they came up saying that The profit will be shared 50-50 between IR and TM.
But any common businessman will know this part on TM was a blunder. Considering the production cost of Rs. 1.4 crores [ as claimed by TM] it means that IR too has incvested the same amount of money through writing scores. roughly stating - if he is worth of 50% of profit he should have invested 50% of money. This clearly shows how IR was cunning from the beggining and how TM was fooled in the whole transaction.
While Fr. was running around getting donations and pre-publication orders IR was happily involved in writing scores [ St. manickavasagar days :lol: ] and recording it . TISK and other US members [ some of them backed off i know] gave in their soul and money to realise this dream. I dont know whether TISK gave them the money as Donation or Pre-publication orders :?: But the money was raised and the product was realised for market.
Suddenly IR came out saying in Jan-05 that all the profits will be going into Tsunami victims rehabilitation work. This was not done. He wont do it.
The Negotiations were on and IR struck a deal with 'Wellgate' groups without Fr.'s consent. Now TM is left nowhere. Knowing Father's connection with Eelam Groups and Srilankan Diaspora We hoped that He will be able to wriggle himself out from this crisis. Now IR/Wellgate trangressing into Those territories too doesn't even give a gleam of hope for TM to recover.
I cant understand till now what is there in the Agreement between TM and IR. how can IR violate those clauses of 50-50 and go scotfree.
How much money was Manickavasagar worth in this whole poject? Ithu Tamil Makkal soththu. Nobody can take it and make profits for their own selfish motives.
I was holding a belief that this is an unique venture where public are involved and eventually its being done for a good cause - making reach our Tamil Literature to the world and some proceeds going to TM, a non-profit people's organisation. But the happenings suggest people not to believe in any future ventures like this :( I will be happy the day i see IR getting Royally screwed by TM in court. I would strongly suggest TISK into persuading TM for suing IR/Wellgate and get back what they really deserve.
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sad state of affairs. :( . i hope tamil mayyam gets out of this mess somehow.
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"I don't like this would be a true. It may be a lie or Gossip or happened due to misunderstanding. Nothing to worry about Raja's conduct."
Sanjeevi, ungaLa maari aaLunga irukkarava varaikkum iLayarajavukku kavalaiye illa :-)
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Cat.1 Typically, talented artists do not have good business acumen...end up lacking money in lives most of the time.(udhAraNam BharathiyAr)
Cat.2 Sometimes, the artist (whether extremely talented or somewhat talented) also has shrewd business sense and can make good fortune, which is applicable to most successful FILM personalities. (idhilum oru group, paNNiya kAsai piLLaigaL, family members moolam tholaiththu vittu pinnar kashtappaduvArgaL, like MSV)
-For a businessman (or organizers of charitable org like TM / TIS-USA) to deal with cat.1 people is quite easy...the artist'll sign in anything for the sake of art - not thinking about revenue etc, only focussing on the artistic outcome. It's up to the businessman to deliver monetary benefits to the artist / royalty etc. Often greed will be in the way and artist could suffer, or just receive an one-time pittance while the businessman will keep making money for lifetime. Some good businessmen will share the earnings continuously, even when not stipulated by agreement etc...(remember reading about the double remuneration to Kothamanglam Subbu for thillAnA mOganAmbAL)
-When the businessman deals with cat.2 people, it may not be all that easy & straight for them. They may have to deal with a lot of legal stuff - contracts / agreements etc. to make sure their interest is protected. This is especially true when the artist is also having his own business capabilities, establishments etc. (e.g. their own distribution channels)
-An org like TM/TIS-USA combo, I assume, were in admiration / awe of the famous IR (obviously a cat.2 personality), and probably were not in a very strong position to negotiate with him terms and conditions (like clear-cut legal papers etc.). However, I may not be correct on this count, as it's difficult to believe that an org that could raise 1 Cr plus for making a product (TM in this case), does not have a legal advisor / manager to handle such contracts...that too with a person who travels extensively abroad and deals with variety of people in charge of the operations.
Now since so much is written about TiS....that though popular, does not help the producers etc...there are two possibilities:
a) The producers probably had limited business acumen to handle such agreement and allowed IR to have a lot more rights than he should have. Definitely, their plight is pitiable. However, while Raja can be blamed for "cut-throat, dog-eat-dog" business style, he can't be legally blamed. It's the inexperience and naive nature of TM managers to blame. They have no other option than to request now, for making up their loans and liabilities. Obviously, IR should be a person to whom they should take it up for some financial assistance, that is to the extent he got his remuneration for this album (failing which, go to the public, only for funding and not for throwing dung at IR).
b) OTOH, if they DO have a decent agreement and IR is violating, it's easy to sue him and get their due. In this case, obviously the public will automatically throw dung at IR.
As I don't think TM has come out in open as to the option (b), it's not time yet to throw blame on IR, simply based on yellow journalism. (IR's spending / extravaganza etc. are entirely his personal affair and has nothing to do with TM or even TiS...As long as he's not spending his `profits' from TiS but his other earnings, who are TM / it's supporters to talk about that...I think that's crossing the limits..who of us know how much he exactly made through TiS? After all, he would not have even made as much as he makes for movies, for the time spent on this effort...)
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-Look at this from another point of view...that IR is one of the technicians of this album. If TM is in commercial difficulty, are they going to blame Sony studio, the lyric writer, the Hungary orchestra or the conductor for making a lot of money while they languish?
-Agreed, IR made most of the fame thru this album than the other technicians, but was it not due to his performance? And where this effort would have been but for his musical abilities? (If XYZ had tried this, how much publicity would this effort have got? Who would have even bothered? Definitely "good-will" has an equity...)
I'm not trying to defend IR here...if he has indulged in any arm-twisting, it's shame on him. And if he has indulged in more than that (like violating an agreement), more shame on him!
However, if he hasn't made much monetarily on this effort and still being blamed for the producer's money problems, it's not fair...(Publicity for the album came from IR and he got publicity thru the album, it's mutual...and one cannot say IR is in the position he is in today ONLY because of TbI...muzhuppoosaNikkAya sOththula maRaikkakkoodAdhu)
