IR News and Other Titbits Ver.2009

same news on copyrighting in a calcutta based newspaper

http://telegraphindia.com/1100106/js...y_11949145.jsp

Interesting addition...

Ilayaraja, whose latest score was for the Amitabh Bachchan-starrer Paa, alleged that a few record labels were violating copyright laws by releasing his songs in the new media without permission. Before the year 2000, copyright laws were not clear on rules for the new media, like the Internet.

The distribution rights for songs composed by Ilayaraja after 2000 have been given to several companies, sources said.

http://www.tamilcinema.com/CINENEWS/...ry/060110b.asp

Another interesting quip:
இசை தெரிந்த அளவுக்கு எனக்கு பணம் பண்ண தெரியவில்லை. இவ்வாறு கூறினார் இசைஞானி இளையராஜா.

I don't know what MB Srinivasan and other MDs of earlier era thought about copyright related issues. As far as I know, Ilaiyaraaja was the first Tamil MD who said the copyright of the songs should be with the MDs and with the producers of the movie. He fought with the producers for royalty in the early 80s. (It is one more way where he is the pioneer in the field).

I don't know what happened next. Maybe the producers didn't budge. That let him to start his own audio company and get back the royalty which is rightfully his. That's a brilliant move. That's why the copyright of his earlier songs is with him.

So, I wouldn't call him an innocent with regarding to business aspects. He may not be as savvy as some of the current MDs, but he was much better than the earlier ones.

[This are just my thought. Somewhat hazy at that. I am willing to change this view if I get additional inputs on this matter. So don't get me wrong.]

par

I think what he think to say

few years back
no ringtone business
no itunes
no 24 hr music channels
no fm channels
no mp3s
- and mainly no Internet which spereads pirated copes like anything

You have so many mp3 songs in your system and listening, did you pay? leave that. All FM channels playing his songs daily, hourly even every minute his song is telecasted by some x which can be a fm or tv. And it has become a trend to use IR songs/bgm in new films now. I dont he is getting money for this type of usages.

I think just he wants the users of his composings in a proper way and ofcoures he may needs money to give soul some of his dream ideas :D

pullarkkidhubA!

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Originally Posted by jeyamohan

திருப்பாவை, திருப்பள்ளி எழுச்சி எல்லாமே கேரளத்தில் பதினெட்டாம் நூற்றாண்டில் உண்டு. திருவஞ்சைக்குளம் போன்ற பல ஆலயங்கள் 19 ஆம் நூற்றாண்டுவரைகூட தஞ்சை சைவ ஆதீனங்களால் நிர்வகிக்கப்பட்டன. இப்போதும் ஒரு ஆசாரமாக அந்த வழக்கம் நீடிக்கிறது. அதை நன்றாக தெரிந்தே ராஜா அங்கே அந்த இசையை போட்டிருக்கிறார். அவரளவுக்கு கேரள வரலாறு மலையாளிகளுக்கே தெரியாது. அவரே அவர்களுக்கு தகவல்களைச் சொல்லிக்கொடுப்பதை கண்டிருக்கிறேன்

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Originally Posted by Sanjeevi

par

I think what he think to say

few years back
no ringtone business
no itunes
no 24 hr music channels
no fm channels
no mp3s
- and mainly no Internet which spereads pirated copes like anything

You have so many mp3 songs in your system and listening, did you pay? leave that. All FM channels playing his songs daily, hourly even every minute his song is telecasted by some x which can be a fm or tv. And it has become a trend to use IR songs/bgm in new films now. I dont he is getting money for this type of usages.

I think just he wants the users of his composings in a proper way and ofcoures he may needs money to give soul some of his dream ideas :D

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adhukku munnADi petha kadanai thIrkaNum. Karthikku oru jeevanasamthukku vazhi paNnanum!

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Originally Posted by eagle

BTW if you notice the other guy in the block Agilan he also seems to suffer the same syndrome in this case he is biased towards Raaja than AR.

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My observation is that Agilan is not claiming to be a "writer" though he maintains a blog. (i.e. in the sense of being in that business - like the others who write in small circle mags and also maintain blogs)

His primary business seems to be music (Agi music, which is now declared to have the copyright of majority of pre-2K works of IR) and I don't think he hides his bias towards IR.

IMO, he is a proclaimed HCIRF and also one of IR's business partners. From that viewpoint, his "lower grading of ARR" is perfectly understandable.

(However, IMO, it will be better for him to avoid getting into answering / explaining etc to the likes of Charu on blogs ; instead, he can find out some legal means to shut up such outrageous / baseless / compulsive / indulgent defamers)

This guy agilan is a friend of Charu also. Charu mentioned in his recent blabber/writings that Agilan is a business partner of IR.

indha blog vaika thagarara seekiram mudingappa :)

In the ETV program, where the contestants were singing Raja songs, Gangai Amaran gave some interesting information about the songs of 'Vaidhehi Kaathirundhal'. (I am not sure if this is already known. Posting because it is not known to me :D ) He said that Raja and some of his team members, including GA, had gone to Mudumalai to compose for 'Thanga Magan'. The plan was that the composing session would last two days. As it happens often with Raja, he finished composing all songs in the first half of first day. This led to some boredom and he started composing other songs at that point in time. He is supposed to have composed six tunes. They recorded those tunes, came to Madras, gave the tunes to Panju Arunachalam, asking him to check if a story can be woven around these tunes. PA in turn sent it to a few leading directors. R Sundarrajan was the first one to come to them with a story and that is how 'Vaidhehi Kathirundal' happened.

Check out this link where Gangai Amaran narrates the incident: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lttrb3NMWNA

from what little i know about music related copyrights, the moment a composer has given the tune and gotten it recorded - the producer pays for the studio, the recording, orchestra etc etc besides the composer's fee! - the track/album belongs to the producer and not the composer - but i beleive the composer/band can have an agreement signed with the producer for 'reproducing' the song in some other format, and if such an agreement exists, then when someone other than the composer uses/plays the track, the composer gets a royalty - in the absence of such an agreement, its the producer's discretion to decide who uses and who does not

but then assuming that most of IR's music producers from the 1980s/1990s have probably disappeared or out-of-business, and the fact that intellectual property rights/ copyrights in India is a big joke, anyone can do anything and get away with it

latest i have learnt from my friends circle is that the 4th track from the recent "Sherlock Holmes" film scored by Hans Zimmer seems to have been lifted from an Ennio Morricone score and is creating a big buzz amongst film music fans circles! if its true, there might be a legal battle

but then things outside Asia are handled way differently and much more professionally