thiruvasakam in symphony

"They have to pay royalty to IR as long as they exist as an organisation for the popularity they reaped due to this association."

This is what is called fanaticism. By the same logic IR is forever indebted to TM and his other fans for the popularity he has gained over the few years and also recently, right?
But for TM, IR wouldnt have attained his "piravi payyan", would have had to suffer another birth(how cruel?) and would have been relegated to doing appaasaamy and ammasaamy kind of films for a pittance, since he had no market value in TFM.

vijayr:-)

For some reason, TIS-USA has led us to believe that this whole effort of TIS is significantly due to the fans' contibution in this TFMpage forum. They continue to believe that financial recovery can be achieved through their repeated plea in this forum.

Either they are naive or they think we are naive.

My guess is that, fans in TFMPage are being milked as much as possible of their money with this persitent soliciting, appealing to them with all possible emotions left. Evidence to this fact is that so many of the DFMers who are confessing the amount they have shelled out and willing to shell out even more in future.

This is an interesting phenomenon in fund generation. Make everyone feel that they are the ones who are most important in this project and make them shell out more and more. It gives the people the sense of ownership and responsibility not only for success but also for failure.

Is there anyone who sincerely believes that either TM and TIS-USA is one day going to come out and say, stop giving us your money. We have made enough. This is a project with a bottomless pit. the more you give the more it wants!!!

If you want to give, please give. Because projects such as this should be supported. What is TM after all, it is an agency with social cause in mind. Fr Gaspar's background is that of Eelam's cause and there are a lot of them willing to give just for this (personal experience). It is the bit about 'going to hell' to achieve a purpose that strikes a wrong chord for me.

Means never justifies end unless one is willing to accept the consequences of the means as well. Don't cry foul when the means go wrong.

Ah, there you are, 'Fanaticism' keep it coming. prove the fanaticism. If you want to take more baits, prove him guilty as well.

What is more than taking loans and being indebted/begging as evidence for fanaticism?

Yes. you are right. IR is forever indebted to his fans for the popularity of his music and also to TM for making TIS happen at this given time. That doesn't mean that he is indebted to his fans for the music he created nor to TM for his compositions for Thiruvasagam. TM didn't enter his mind temporarily to compose the music nor can they claim that TIS would not have happen in future without their help.

It is an issue of taking due credit for their contribution - not more and not less

"That doesn't mean that he is indebted to his fans for the music he created nor to TM for his compositions for Thiruvasagam."

In the same way, TM does not need to pay any royalty to IR for "gaining popularity". IR gained as much if not more popularity and fame from this venture than TM at a time when his market value was nill and the general public had forgotten him. Plus he has his career/spiritual ambitions fulfilled as well. I could argue that he should be paying TIS-USA and his fans royalty for getting his ambition fulfilled but then it would be as absurd as your assertion.

By the same argument, IR should be trying to regain his market value because of TIS with all the movies he has come out with ever since. By your own admission, he has come out duds with his recent releases. So your argument doesn't hold any water. wake up.

There are no pretensions in any of the recent releases and they have been the same irrespective TIS. Have you not realised that market value means nothing?

TIS does mean a lot. It breaks the shackles that he created around him through market value. How else do you explain a very grandious statement of overcoming rebirth?

Market value of TIS is the least he should expect. But the reach to masses is what he should be more concerned with, not how much money it makes. From what I know, it has always been how much his music reaches people rather than how much money it makes. Popularity is only a means not an end.

Yes, you are right. It would be absurd, to expect him to pay his fans money for buying his CDs. The royalty he should expect from his fans - is appreciation. Patronising as it may sound to you.

IR's plea to buy original CDs and Cassettes is not because he wants the money, but because he wants his producers to atleast make up the cost they incur and make it worthwhile for them.

As any human being would, one wishes to be recognised for what one achieves within their lifetime. Or else how difficult is it for him to leave his compositions unperformed in his lifetime.

How did the arrangement that IR retains copyright to TIS wholly, thus ensuring further distributions rights as well, is beyond my comprehension? If TM agreed to this, what made them helpless in claiming more rights? One explanation I got from sources close to TM, was that TM was afraid TIS will go the way of Grand Symphony 1 as well. That shows how anxious TM was in ensuring the release in spite of financial loss, but they sure thought they had still something to gain. Trying to portray either TIS-USA or TM as innocent victims is this whole saga is naivity.

IR stands tall in his silence and has onely one answer - YIA

The story is Fr made lot of money and to avoid paying tax he is "creating" all this news. Now should we believe that. I wouldnt after talking to TISK, but so many ppl do believe.

I would totally stop speculating and work on promoting TIS so that TIS-USA can sell more and even if not they can make money/repay the debts, it will atleast give them their "garage" space. Please all help TIS-USA in whatever way you can.