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Originally Posted by app_engine
adhuvaa ? ellaa pugazhum .... :DQuote:
http://beta.thehindu.com/arts/article79741.ece
என்னப்பா ஆச்சு ராசாவுக்கு? இந்து பேப்பருக்கு இன்ட்ர்யூல்லாம் குடுக்காரு?
Dont know why everyone has to work with western musicians! British left us more than 60 years and we still couldnt come out of their influence.Quote:
Originally Posted by baroque
BMK is a classical carnatic ocean and we can take ample peals in it. He dont need to work with Western musicians. Same with IR. Remember, we all liked him because of his work in TFM, not his work with any westners.
நாங்க எல்லோரும் அடிமை புத்தியோட இதெல்லாம் பேசலை ....
Ir is a gifted artist, let the world enjoy his music.
We want him to work with the finest musicians from west, east, north, south .. whole universe!
Robert De Niro & Edward Norton waiting for me. :swinghead:
bye bye :wave:
vinatha.
I am affraid its too late. Even the man who honored him "Isaignani" title had asked ARR to score music for new "Tamil Thai Vaazthu". MSV had the honor before and now ARR.Quote:
Originally Posted by baroque
He has enough money now that if he is truly a musician, he shouldn't wait for sponsor to do music. He can do thirukkural, Bharathiar Songs, give different music to Abhirami Andhathi etc etc.
He dont have to release album. He just have to release the notes. There will be plenty of takers and will start playing his music. I am sure many of this fans will also start playing, just like the way Tyagaraja Aaradhana is happening, we would be having IR Aaradhana.
njv,
I agree with you fully. I personally cannot comprehend this desire for 'international' recognition. I can't understand why we don't take our own opinion seriously and need some 'foreigner' to certify our greatness!! I mean we are giving the authority to certify what is good or great to the west, freely!! I fail to comprehend how the opinion of a guy in Salem, USA about our music is superior to a guy in Salem, Tamilnadu? Each music system has lot of culture built into it and Raja's music is no exception. That is why it reaches a lot of people in the hinterland of Tamil Nadu. Once you 'globalize', your music reaches a different audience. I personally feel that Raja should continue reaching audience in Vijaywada or Kakanad or Madurai. Maybe it is a frog in the well policy but I am very certain that no matter how hard anyone tries there are certain things that cannot happen. You won't get some westerner to appreciate 'sendhurapoove' or 'chinna kannan azhaikiran'.
Tyagaraja and Dikshitar will remain our icons. The west will not put them on the same pedestal as Bach and Beethoven and that is fine with me coz I have Tyagaraja and Dikshitar on a much higher pedestal than Beethoven or Bach. Same with Raja. I listen to innumerable rock and blues bands but I have Raja on a much higher pedestal than all of them. I am quite confident about my aesthetics in music that I don't require someone else telling me that Raja is good.
Suresh,njv
I partially agree and partially disagree.There is a slight disconnect in the discussion here.I think the discussion started with "International collaboration" and moved to "international recognition". I fully agree that we do not need some foreigner to 'certify' IR.
Coming to collaboration - IR has vast knowledge on western music and musicians.A brief look at some of his inspirations or his own speeches where he quotes some artists there, reveals that.So,knowledge-wise, he is not a frog in the well.I think it would 'interesting' if he collaborates with artists there,not for recognition,but only for creating something exciting.The motive can be pure creativity.
Pt.Ravi Shankar was already popular in the west and he collaborated with Philip Glass, because he liked Philip's work and wanted to see what they can do together. Same applies with Zakir Hussain teaming up with Mickey Hart. L.Subramaniam divides his time between Bangalore and US. So he could exchange his thoughts with artsists there which led to his collaborations with the great legends such as Yehudi Menuhin, Stephane Grapelli.
We cannot draw parallel to Balamurali Krishna, because we must understand that he is into vocal music and vocal music,being language driven,has its own limitations, when it comes to collaborating with people from other regions.That is why you do not see vocalists collaborating with vocalists much.But then some vocalists did collaborate with instrumentalists (example: R.A.Ramamani collaborating with Charlie Mariano).I think Balamurali krishna's example is not suitable in this context.
Ilaiyaraaja is a film composer. And we cannot draw parallels with classical musicians, since they have different commitments and artistic explorations. Added to that, the advantage they have is that they travel a lot, for concerts and develop friendships and collaborations out of their experiences. We cannot expect ilaiyaraaja's path also to be the same.
That said, i feel it would be interesting if Ilaiyaraaja collaborates on instrumentals/non-film albums.He already collaborated with Late.Bach in How To Name It :) And it was fantastic isn't it. So, it would be interesting if he collaborates on albums like those. Not that it is a must for him. but just to see what exciting stuff can be created by exchanging in a musical dialogue directly with some very good artist out there. And not just there, but even within India. I mean, I would definitely like to see IR taking collaboration aspect to compositional level too, instead of just commissioning artists(he did use services of Hari Prasad Chaurasia, Budapest Philharmonic,Pt.Bhimsen Joshi and many more) to play/sing his compositions.
But this desire of mine comes 2nd.The 1st is - IR himself doing a complete instrumental album such as HTNI, NBW or Thiruvasakam(in instrumental).
And for those who think Balamurali Krishna didnt collaborate beyond Bhimsen Joshi, see this:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGdfwlNNjbk (it has western elements).
Bottomline: "Each one works according to a requirement" - Ilaiyaraaja in that Hindu article :)
raagas,
I don't think anyone will have a problem if Raja collaborates with a western musician but what I see from many posts is that people see this as a way to get 'international' recognition.
Having said that, I feel Raja may not be the best collaborator per se, given that he always comes up with an unified structure by himself. So the best option would be for Raja to compose and a good set of musicians / orchestra to play what has been composed. It can turn out like 'Tiruvasagam'.
I salute the Maestro for these lines: :victory:
“It is not our duty to worry about trends. We cannot criticise anybody’s music. Each one works according to a requirement,” and it was not necessary to sit in judgement over music. “If some prefer fast food, what’s wrong?”
"Theory or vidwat might appeal to the intellect, but it is what you experience that will touch the heart…no one can form any rule for the arts. It’s all in the way you look things.”
"When you listen to a song, it should make you sit up and wonder, “Hey, what is this!” or give you an inexplicable feeling of joy or relate beautifully to the music in you. Without any of these three, it would be sheer noise.”
Absolutely well said.This is remarkable!
So many changes in him? He is no longer complaining about "other's popcorn music" and in turn says "lets not set up ourselves as judges".He is talking to press frequently. Attending various functions such as Pazhassi raja release, Paa movie premiere, Lakshminarayana Global Music Festival,Om Shanti release,Womens college gathering....