NagaS, ithu adhigam.. :P I think vijay is referring to the Devan song.Quote:
Originally Posted by NagaS
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NagaS, ithu adhigam.. :P I think vijay is referring to the Devan song.Quote:
Originally Posted by NagaS
hihihi ... antha 'thaalaattum kaatRe'vum avar sonna tune maathirithaanbaa irunthathu :-D (Enakku meesaiyae illai, So maN ottalaiyaakkum :->)
NagaS
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Originally Posted by NagaS
http://sify.com/movies/tamil/fullstory.php?id=13666900
More on Fazil's next movie.
Even I am eagerly awaiting the music for the two movies Naga has mentioned above.As for 'Mumbai Xpress',I am more interested in the movie than the music&also at the reception it will have at the BO(esp in Hindi)clashing with all the biggies.
Ditto :) and I will be happier if Im proven wrong by IR :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Cinefan
NagaS
Yes Naga,I won't complain if IR gives good music to the film but somehow you feel it's not the kind of movie which warrants an outstanding musical score.
"If he does karakaattakkaari kind of movies for that 1.5 million rupees, I think we can't say its wrong. Afterall, its good money with less effort / time and he is using his 'fluency' that he developd all these years to finish such albums fast and earn something - whats wrong ? are we going to pay him that 1.5 million if we object him picking those songs ? (Its like jayamohan writing vasanam for a kaathal movie, or balakumaran writing for manmadhan"
Nagas, neenga solradhu, "what is wrong in IR doing bad albums, he has a right to do it"nu sola maari irukku :-) True he has a right to do whatever he wants for that matter. As a fan I am expressing my opinions/comments/sentiments on his products, thats all. I am not demanding that he shouldnt accept such movies.Its his right after all. I am just dissapointed by his decision. I thought I was clear about it in my previous post.
"Even if we are talking about 'freshness', I think something should be there in the movie to inspire the MD, if the movie is good and the music is not upto the mark, we can say IR failed"
well my stance is, if the movie doesnt inspire him to do good music, then why does he accept it in the first place, especially at this stage of his career(when he has done 800+ movies and has already earned a lot of money). Its obvious that he is doing it just for cash and nothing else like you said and thats what is sad (Its bad work ethics as well when you get paid 15 lakhs and dont give your best). There are instances of this happening even as early as 1987 but thats a different issue.
"Even in the last few years, I don't remember an instance, where the movie had scope for good music and IR gave second rate songs !"
NagaS, thats true for every big MD since the 40s..not just IR :-) But IMO Pithamagan and Virumandi, both good films, had very average songs. Re-recording was probably good. MagaLir mattum was another Kamal production that had horrible songs.
Vijay dear,how can u just call music in movies like Virumaandi and Pithamagan average!!! that was a bit too much.For instance the 'karumathoor kattukkulle 'song from virumaandi,who else can compose such a complex piece of music elaborating a legend as auhtentically as Raja.The 'Elangaathu veesude' is melody that wafts like a cool breeze,i havent heard such honest and innocent melody creation for a long time,something tamil film music has completely lost since the last 7-10 years.Maybe the definition of above an average song is something else these days...is it 'appdi podu podu' or 'manmada raasa'??if the 'onna vida' song from virumaandi was sung by anyone other than kamal,history would ve been different.Talking about 'magalir mattum' which was a laugh riot(that was the intention i believe) had no scope for serious compositions and raja gave exactly what he was asked,copmletely comic yet a cut above the usual cacophony.Almost all the songs had 3 dimensions repreasenting the 3 protagonists..i donno what makes it horrible.The tape released by AVM audio was of very good quality too..normally i used to get very bad copies from AVM those days like Pavithrans I love India and kamals Magaraasan
NagaS, my friend, you disappoint me.. Is this the conclusion learned posters of the forum have come to about IR doing folk albums like karagAttkAri ?Quote:
Originally Posted by NagaS
"using his 'fluency'" - Did anybody of you ever think, that he is just trying to maintain his 'fluency'. Just because he is a Maestro, he does not need to compose ? He is a genuine musician. Like he says - 'ovvOru notum ennOdathu'. He needs to do quite a bit of songs before he comes up with a new style/technique.
Compositions means 'string of notes' - the notes should flow smoothly -- aruvi pOla - as IR would say .. that is what you get in IR's composition, even if it is not fresh. Again, what is 'freshness' ? Dont we eat idli, sambar daily ? But we dont compromise on the quality of it, isn't it . That is why we go to this restaurant called IR !!!
karagAttakkAri is considered bad ??? Come on..some people dont even get past the first few lines, having put off by the beats !!! If you listen past the first two lines, you will see IR in the tune !!!
If somebody does not know, these are the dance beats of our land..go to any temple festival you know..You want these musicians play hip-hop on their thArai, thampattai, thavil, urumi etc ? And if somebody does not compose for these instruments, what will these country musicians play ? Buy a rhythm machine and learn how to program it ??
Do you think a composer who can compose for a full western classical orchestra, would ever allow his name to be put on an inferior composition, even for just money ?IR has the 'garvam' pride in his art that he would do a song with just folk drums and say yes, put my name down as the 'music director'. He knows, other MDs know, how difficult it is to get the flow.
(BTW, NagaS, please dont take it personally, I just took this opportunity to address this whole 'disillusionment' with IR's new albums)
Hmm.. spoken like a true fan(atic). I am not sure how many here who talk about IR's pride, garvam etc. have heard albums like Yuga Dharmam, Krishnan Vandhaan etc. even in the 80s or Rajasthan, Thodarum etc. in the 90s. IR himself has gone on record saying that he cannot compose inspired if directors keep coming to him with the sams situations, indirectly justifying his uninspired compositions. This is a statemnent he made in the mid-80s itself. And guess what? After 20 years he is still composing for those same situations and hapless films, only this time around the tunes too sound the same like it did 20 years back :-) As for using folk percussion instruments etc. my response is IR has been there and done that.
Karagatakari isnt bad because it uses folk percussion instruments or folk rhythm, Karagatakaari is bad because it is plain unimaginative. Grinding the same old flour. Idlies and dosas made with really old flour :-) No freshness in tunes either. For people who disagree I would ask them to listen to IR's own compositions from some late 90s MFM albums to gauge the difference in quality.