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Agree with you PR. As Plum says the position is probably at the other end of the spectrum. Other than the song you quoted, I always feel that VM's words in 'Karuthamma' and 'Kizhaku Cheemayile' probably brought out the nativity much better than the tunes themselves. I guess app_eng position is somewhat close to what I feel. While there are songs in the Rahman-VR I like a lot for the lyrics, I would also say that the lyrics of IR-VM combination was probably much better.
Just heard "Melle Melle", a malayalam version of "vaLLi vaLLi". MG Srikumar has done the honours, and I'd gladly direct all detractors of IR's voice in this song to this one. I have no qualms in saying that IR's version carried more verve, enthusiasm and joy than Sreekumar's 'polished', 'technically correct' version. Sometimes, technique is over-rated(vide Sanjay Manjrekar vs Sehwag)
Isn't it absurd to conclude that Vairamuthu is a greater Tamil film icon than Raaja just because he overstayed the latter? In general, the stature of all-time great music composers are much bigger than that of all-time great lyricists (with the exception of perhaps Kannadasan, whose stature might be comparable to MSV's), no?
equa, ange dhaan agenda irukku. From a 'mass' perspective, a good tune with bad lyrics is more likely to be succesful than vice-versa. Exceptions can be provided ofcourse but why else would you see hasili phisili dominating the charts? It takes a Kannadasan to transcend that equation, and it took an IR(with due respect to MSV) to change MGR-Sivaji songs to IR-ARR songs. (as an aside, now, I argue that this is as much to do with MSV's submissive personality as probably with the circumstances so I'd infact say that MSV's phenomenal output deserved to be recognised by the mass as MSV songs instead of Sivaji-MGR but thats the reality.)
Has Vairamuthu transcended that equation? Really, look at your Musical CD compilations in the typical music showrooms - how many Vairamuthu compilations you see as compared to IR or ARR? The answer to that should convince our friends but it won't - because they dont want to be convinced.
Plum,
Which Malaylam movie is the 'Melle Melle' song from? Any links?
No, I dont know. It may even be the dubbing of Deiva Vakku. I only have the song. Rajasaranam must know as I most likely downloaded it from his account
Totally agree with you!Quote:
Originally Posted by equanimus
Some more points to note:
-With the arrival of a strong MD like IR, even the hitherto unappreciated area like BGM has caught the attention of the viewers ( some are even so emphatic that this "tech expert" - BGM- competes with the "PM" - direction - for top honor for the project result) & obviously no contribution of lyricist is needed there.
-Except for a few movies for peculiarity's sake, there had not been multiple MD's asked to do any movie (S-G are considered one and not two, BTW, for remuneration). Can we say the same about kavingars? Rarely!
-Though director / producer has a say in selecting the kavingar, with the advent of IR, it's mostly MD's choice to pick a lyricist. That hasn't changed much even now (expect for one BR, who preferred a lyricist to dump the MD? Hardly any - OTOH, ARR - why even YSR - can at his will dump VM or any lyricist from a project)
When I said Balachandar movies from 1970s I had these songs in my mind...Quote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
1) Ethir Neechal
2) Adhisaya Raagam
3) Junior Junior
4) Kamban Yemaandhan
5) Dheivam thantha veedu
6) Ezhu swarangalil
You remembered "Yennada Polladha Vazhagai"? I do not think I shall pursue this debate any more.
This is slightly off topic.
IR has been doing some stage programs for few years now. Can any one of "IR fans" give me a video link to a VM song performed when IR is on stage?
That was only to compare with 'vaLLi vaLLi' which was quoted as a bad example from IR's output. Also to stress the point that not all of KB film songs were high-quality lyrics and he had his share of 'இதுக்குப்போயி அலட்டிக்கலாமா's :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by genesis
Songs you've quoted had nice lines, yes.
Just that they got overshadowed by other propaganda songs during that time period.