Nadigar Thilagam Sivaji Ganesan - Part 4

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Conclusion: nalla kudumba pada paarththa thirupththi

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hmm... I remember Brangan pointing this out in one of his latest articles. He was praising Sivaji for remaining as a protagonist in these family entertainers.

Here it is
Between Reviews: Sex and violence, for the whole family


APR 27, 2008 - AS TWO RECENT RELEASES OFFER AMPLE PROOF, there are some things in Tamil cinema that will never change - the fact, for instance, that the hero isn’t a hero until he flexes his muscles. Santhosh Subramaniam and Yaaradi Nee Mohini are both what are known as “family” films, and that genre (if it can be called that) has come a long way from what families used to watch in the black-and-white era - the melodramas of P Bhimsingh, say. I can’t recall a single one of those films where Sivaji Ganesan - who moped and monologued his way through a goodish number of them - raised a hand. He’d raise his voice, yes, that lion’s roar that defined declamatory acting for an entire generation - but if he raised a hand, it was, at best, to direct a slap at a scheming co-star’s cheek (or, perhaps, a series of why-God-why blows at his own forehead), and never to have a go at a henchman’s solar plexus. But then Sivaji Ganesan, and others like him, were merely the protagonists of those films, while today, the likes of Jayam Ravi (in Santhosh Subramaniam) and Dhanush (in Yaaradi Nee Mohini) are heroes. And where there is a hero, there is, by definition, a villain, and where there is a villain, there is an angry confrontation, and where is angry confrontation, there is a fight sequence

Selva, those were the golden days of story telling, where the story was the main hero. Ordinary ppl wont go picking up fights and this was reflected clearly in the 60s and 70s.

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Originally Posted by saradhaa_sn

ஆலயமணி, ஆண்டவன் கட்டளை படங்களுக்குப்பிறகு 'மாற்று முகாம்' இய்க்குனர் கே.சங்கர் மீண்டும் இப்படத்தில் நடிகர்திலகத்துடன் இணைந்தார். கே. வி. மகாதேவன் மாமா இசையமைத்துள்ளார்.

நடிகர் திலகத்தின் சூப்பர் ஜோடியான தேவிகாதான் இப்படத்தின் நாயகி. 'உங்கள் அழகென்ன அறிவென்ன மனமென்ன குணமென்ன கோபம் வரலாமா' பாடலில் பாவாடை தாவணியில் அழகாக ஆடி வருவார். 'காகிதத்தில் கப்பல் செய்து' பாடலில் நடிகர்திலகம் உணர்ச்சிகரமான நடிப்பை வெளிப்படுத்தியிருப்பார். 'ஒண்ணாயிருக்க கத்துக்கணும்' என்ற தத்துவப்பாடலும் இவருகுத்தான். நடிகர்திலகத்தின் தங்கையாக மணிமாலா. அவரது ஜோடியாக பாலாஜி. இருவருக்கும் அருமையான டூயட் பாடல். பி.பி.எஸ்., மற்றும் சுசீலா குரலில் 'இரவு முடிந்து விடும்... முடிந்தால்..., பொழுது விடிந்துவிடும்' என்ற தேன் சொட்டும் பாடல்.

நகைச்சுவைக்கு நாகேஷ் உண்டு. கருப்பு வெள்ளைப்படமானாலும், ரயில்வே ஸ்டேஷன் வெளிப்புறக்காட்சிகள் மனதைக்கவரும்.

இது இன்ட்ரொடக்ஷன்தான், எல்லோரும் தவறாமல் இன்றிரவு பார்க்க வேண்டும் என்பதற்காக....

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Beautiful introduction. Aptly worded. This film in its rereleases drew heavy crowd of fans just for that classic - kaagithaththil kappal katti - Thunderous cheers and applause will envelope the theatre. And music by R. Sudarsan (not KVM), is another plus point for this film. Azhagenna arivenna is also another masterpiece from the voice of P. Susila. Balaji's performance will be noteworthy. Vaalee's lyrics add value to the song Onna Irukka kathukkanum, indha unmaiyai sonna othukkanum. How a Station Master would face crisis and handle it are shown in this movie in the right perspective. Another not to be missed film, more particularly the song Kaagithaththil kappal katti.
V. Raghavendran.

NOV,

It has been ages since you last posted a review in this thread and well you have come back with a bang. And Selva, thanks for reproducing that piece from Rangan.

There was a last minute change by Sun TV and Anbu Karangal has been postponed to tomorrow (or was it like that?). One more info about Anbu Karangal is this was the first NT movie for which Vaalee wrote the songs. Vaalee by this time (Anbu Karangal was released in 1965) had written many songs and most of them were for MGR. Periannan, the producer of AK and a relative of NT, introduced Vaalee as " Namma Tiruchy Payyan" to NT and asked his permission for using Vaalee in the movie. NT the ever gentleman he, gave his consent. Thus Vaalee made his debut in a NT movie and Anbu Karangal became the first in the long list of movies that Vaalee and NT were to work together.

Regards

Dear Nov,
Splendid. Crisp. Sharp. Your analysis of Kulama Gunamaa is as that film itself. It was released in the Plaza Theatre, Chennai, and also special shows at the Anand Theatre. I saw it at the Anand Theatre on the day of release. There was some hype for that film in different perspective. Actually for about 25% of the movie, it was Manjula who played the role later played by Vanisree. Due to the reasons best known to them she was replaced by Vanisree. This film was very famous for the arasamaram conversation between Vanisree & NT. But had the Manjula been retained, this scene picturised with her & NT would have earned more laurels for her. I heard then that Vaanisree could give only about 50% of what Manjula performed. KSG was very particular that this scene is the highlight of this classic. And it became.
Raghavendran.

Thanks Murali & Raghavendra.
As you have mentioned, one of the two highlights in the film was the arasamaram debate between Sivaji & Vanishri. I can't imagine Manjula bettering what Vani had done. In fact, Vanishri has a very meaty role and carries through effortlessly.

The other remarkable scene is of course the baaga pirivinai scene.

Murali sir,
I want to know your experience with 'Pachai vilakku' ,which is one of my favourites ,IMO ,it is a complete movie ,great story ,acting and excellent songs .

Was the movie success like other 'Pa' varisai movies?

Dear Nov,

Good write-up. Congrats & expect more such stuff.

Murali Sir, thanks for the info about AK being the first film to have NT & Valee team-up together.

Dear Rahavendra,

What NOV says it correct. When it comes to performance, Vanishree is streets ahead of Manjula. But was Manjula there in the movie? Why I am having this doubt is, Manjula last did Shanthi Nilayam as a child artist and the movie was released in May 1969. If my memory serves me right, she was booked for Rickshawkaran in Dec 1969 (In fact she had not even become major to sign the agreement with Sathya movies and her mother signed on her behalf) and the main clause was she should not act in any movie till Rickshawkaran gets released. It got released in May 1971 and Kulama Gunama in March 1971. May be she must have acted before 1969 Dec but was Kulama Gunama on floors at that time? Probably, you should be knowing.

Joe,

It is long time since I saw Pachhai Vilakku. It was a nice movie, no doubt. The songs were great, though personally I was disappointed that "Vaarathiruppaalo" went to SSR. I had great imagination how NT would have done that. (I saw it only in late 70s though the movie was released in 1964). I have to revisit the movie. Moser Baer had come out with the VCD but I am waiting for the DVD. (It is a good thing that all AVM or AVM related moies have been given to Moser Baer who would bring out at attractive price).
The movie ran for more than 100 days. It came just after Karnan and was followed by Aandavan Kattalai.

Regards

அன்புக்கரங்கள்-னு கேள்விப்படாத படமா இருக்கேன்னு சொல்லிட்டு நேத்து டி-வி-ஐ போட்டா பூம்புகார். கண்ணகியா விஜயகுமாரி நாணிக் கோணி நடிக்க முயன்றதை பார்க்க வேண்டியதா போச்சு. நல்ல வேளை இன்னொரு சேனலில் ஆபத்பாந்தவர் கவுண்டமணி.

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Originally Posted by Murali Srinivas

Dear Rahavendra,

What NOV says it correct. When it comes to performance, Vanishree is streets ahead of Manjula. But was Manjula there in the movie? Why I am having this doubt is, Manjula last did Shanthi Nilayam as a child artist and the movie was released in May 1969. If my memory serves me right, she was booked for Rickshawkaran in Dec 1969 (In fact she had not even become major to sign the agreement with Sathya movies and her mother signed on her behalf) and the main clause was she should not act in any movie till Rickshawkaran gets released. It got released in May 1971 and Kulama Gunama in March 1971. May be she must have acted before 1969 Dec but was Kulama Gunama on floors at that time? Probably, you should be knowing.
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Dear Murali,
You have touched the point. Why Manjula was not there in the movie Kulama Gunamaa - the answer is in your post itself. Actually it should have been the first film for her to act with NT. As I said a few schedules of the movie were shot with Manjula and in fact she was just crossing the childhood and was too young. But her performance in that role was exemplary. But because of her adodlescent like looks, (I heard, I do not know how far it is correct), it was decided that some senior artistes be approached and only after consideration of two or three names, it was narrowed down to Vaanisree. There is no doubt Vanisree has given one of her best performances in this film. But the pace was a little less than that was given by Manjula. The whole unit was very much pleased with her performance but in the rushes her looks - may be slightly immature for that character - might have been the minus points - what I mean is not about her personality, but the character needed a little more aged lady character. This was also mentioned by KSG during the shooting of Kulama Gunamaa (in the magazine Pesum Padam, around the later half of 1970). More so, when NT & Manjula were arguing, it seemed it looked like a verbal duo between a father and a girl rather than what it should have been. In fact I did not want to elaborate the reasons (which I myself am not 100% sure), but you have touched that point (childish look). After that I do not know if she got such a good chance to perform (even in NT's movies). She had plenty of scope in Dr. Sivaa, but gave very subdued performance in that movie, then Mannavan Vandhaanadi, had some scope. In Avan Oru Sarithiram she had some chance.
With regards,
Raghavendran.

Dear NOV,

உங்களின் 'குலமா குணமா' விமர்சனம் அருமை. ஆனால் இறுதியில் இப்படத்துக்கு நடிகர்திலகம் தேவையில்லையோ என்றொரு ஐயத்தை எழுப்பியிருப்பது போல் தோன்றுகிறது. நடிகர்திலகம் என்றாலே 'ஓவர் ஆக்டிங்' என்ற திட்டமிட்ட மாயையை மட்டுப்படுத்த இதுபோன்ற மிதமான நடிப்பைக்கொண்ட படங்களும் அவசியம்தானே.

குறிப்பாக நடிகர்திலகமும் வாண்ஷ்ரீயும் மோதும் அந்த வாக்குவாதத்தில் வாணியின் நடிப்பு நன்றாக இருக்கும். "ஆமாங்க... நீங்க சந்தனம்தான், நாங்க சாக்கடைதான்" என்று வாதிடும் சுட்டித்தனம் அபாரம் (அந்த இடத்தில் மஞ்சுளா எந்த அளவுக்கு பொருந்தியிருப்பார் என தோன்றவில்லை).

பாகப்பிவினை இடமும் சூப்பர். எல்லா சொத்துக்களையும் ஒட்டுமொத்தமாக ஒரே இடத்தில் வைத்து விட்டு, தான் தனியே நாற்காலி போட்டு அமர்ந்துகொண்டு... "சொத்துக்கள் இரண்டு பாகமாக இருக்கு. எது வேணும்னு முடிவு பண்ணிக்கோ" என்று நடிகர்திலகம் (அதாவது வசன திலகம் கே.எஸ்.ஜி.) கூற, அனைவருக்கும் குழப்பம். பஞ்சாயத்து பேச வந்தவர்களில் ஒருவர் "ஒருவேளை தலைவருக்கு கோப வெறியில் ஒண்ணு ரெண்டாக தெரியுதோ" என ஐயப்பட, நிலைமையை புரிந்துகொண்ட வாணி, கணவர் ஜெய் இடம் "ஐயோ, இது புரியலையா உங்களுக்கு. பெரியவர் சொத்துக்களை ஒரு பங்காகவும் தன்னை ஒரு பங்காகவும் வைத்து "நான் வேண்டுமா? அல்லது சொத்துக்கள் வேண்டுமா"ன்னு கேட்கிறாருங்க" என்று சொல்ல, பதறிப்போன ஜெய், 'எனக்கு சொத்து பத்து எதுவும் வேண்டாம், என் அண்ணன்தான் வேண்டும்' என்று நடிகர்திலகத்தின் காலில் விழுவது.... கே.எஸ்.ஜி.க்கு இந்த மாதிரி விஷயமெல்லாம் தண்ணி பட்ட பாடு.

:ty: saradhaa

indha padaththukku nadigar thilagam thEvai illai ena naan sollavillai. indha maadhiri characterisation ellaam avarukku jujubee. :D

maththappadi "overacting" engira kutrachattukkum enakkum udanpaadillai. vishayam theriyaadhavargal edhuvEnumnaalum sollittu pOgattum, namakkenna?

Read NOV's Kulama Kunama review with great interest. I am in the midst of re-watching it, just finished the first disc. As NOV said, simple story nicely spun into feature length by KSG. Actually, the film is fast moving, thanks to the tight script (and that good scene between NT and Vanisree is awesome) and wonderful performance.

My question is this: Why Jai Shankar? He was doing well on his own, wasn't he? Why did they rope him in this role, which can be given to good supporting actors like Muthuraman. He can be pretty interesting actor sometimes, but here he seems lifeless. Can anyone throw a light here?

Welcome Back Groucho :thumbsup: :cool2: :victory: :bluejump:

Welcome back Groucho bro ! :thumbsup: :D

Thanks, brother. What happened to your phone? Been sending a couple of messages and no reply. Intha sabai munnal ketkireen, hehe.


Back to the subject in hand.



I concur with NOV that this is the type of role, which we Malaysians would say, sap-sap-suey, for NT. Yes, it could have been done by anyone else (SSR? Eeek!) But it will lack the gravity that NT lends. Plus that time was NT at his peak, when he is churning out one brilliant performance after another. And this little bronze get to shine with the other golds.

So, NT at his peak. Jai already doing standalone film, with KSG directing. I bet the expectation must have been high for that time.

Another thing I realise from this movie is this: What a wonderful comedian Nambiar is! He excels in playing this kind of comedic bad guy, in a different vein than, say, MRR. This one echoes another favourite underrated NT flick of mine, Letchumi Kalyanam, playing Suruttu Sundaram Pillai. Thanks NOV for reminding us of this film.

P.S. I bought the VCD for my mom, who used to have a crush on Jai those days, hehe.

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Thanks, brother. What happened to your phone? Been sending a couple of messages and no reply. Intha sabai munnal ketkireen, hehe.

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<dig> :shock: Oflate, I was replying to all messages. did I miss anyone ? :(
Hope you would be doing great. :D I am fine here without any problems :D
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Jaishankar :roll:
I can never accept him as a good actor; wonder how he survived. Must be becos of fans like Groucho's mum. ;)

Now Muthuraman is one I would call an actor's actor. He even outshone NT in one movie :roll:

Nice to see you here Groucho. Next stop at hubbers lounge. :lol:

Welcome Groucho :D

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Originally Posted by NOV

Jaishankar :roll:
I can never accept him as a good actor; wonder how he survived.

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Largely true but he has had some lovely performances.
I like him in Veettukku Veedu.

Jai: (in an angry high pitch) Enna di...
Lakshmi: ippo neenga "enna nee" appidinnu sonneengaLA...enna di nu sonneengalAnnu ippovE therinjaagaNum
Jai: (in a soft voice) Malathi naan unnai eppo sonnAlum adhu "enna nee" dhan...."enna di" kidaiyAdhu.. (without a pause, back to the angry high pitch) enna nee....
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And of course "asandhu pOyiruppArE" :rotfl2:
This movie is several times funnier than the more celebrated KasEdhAn kadavuLadA

Exactly. PR. I forgot the name of this movie. Thanks for reminding. Jai transforms from a Macho typical hero to a hen-pecked husband. His mannerism changes right in front of our eyes as the movie progresses. Strangely, he is the best thing in this movie.

After doing some really lousy action films, I think he lost interest in acting.

He will be reunited with NT in the 80s, when both are not really at the peak of their game (except NT occasionally of course).

And NOV, I'm gonna complain to my mom about what you said, grrr





:)

PR, Lakshmi is a wonderful actress, let it be emotional or comedy. She single handedly lifted Jeans.

I have kaasEdhaan kadavuladaa dvd..... :roll:

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And NOV, I'm gonna complain to my mom about what you said, grrr

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but OTOH any NT fan worth his salt should be able to take on a Jaishankar fan :rotfl:

grouucho, I guess Sivaji was experimenting when he acted with Jaishankar. Look at all the 2nd heroes in his 60s movies: Balaji, SSR, Muthuraman, Sivakumar, etc. The list goes on and Jaishankar was one of those.

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Originally Posted by NOV

Jaishankar :roll:
I can never accept him as a good actor; wonder how he survived.

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I was/am Jaishankar's fan. Don't you know once upon a time he was a threat to MGR. Since MGR had fear about him, he acted in Ragasiya police 115 to compete Jai's james bond type films. I liked Jai's Thunivae Thunai, Vallavnukku vallavan, etc, etc for his james bond thpe action only. And he was good in 100ku 100 too.

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I was/am Jaishankar's fan.

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ayyaa, theriyaama sollittEn, ennai vittudunga :bow:

james bond padaththula namma nadigar thilagam kooda niraya nadichirukkuraaru ... in the 80s. :yessir:

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ayyaa, theriyaama sollittEn, ennai vittudunga :bow:

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:lol:

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I was/am Jaishankar's fan.

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ayyaa, theriyaama sollittEn, ennai vittudunga :bow:

james bond padaththula namma nadigar thilagam kooda niraya nadichirukkuraaru ... in the 80s. :yessir:

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Which one? That category can include Raja, Vaira Nenjam among others. Trouble is, NT's Bond type film tend to be character heavy since NT is playing the lead. Jai fits in well because the focus is the action and fast moving script. Yes, I liked Vallavanukku Vallavan too, and accept him as our Bond.

Jaishankar - A senior to Captain Vijayakanth :D

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Originally Posted by Sanjeevi

I was/am Jaishankar's fan. Don't you know once upon a time he was a threat to MGR. Since MGR had fear about him, he acted in Ragasiya police 115 to compete Jai's james bond type films. I liked Jai's Thunivae Thunai, Vallavnukku vallavan, etc, etc for his james bond thpe action only. And he was good in 100ku 100 too.

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<dig> :roll: Few of MGR early black and white films like 'Tharmam Thalai kaakkum' and all had this secret investigations things. MT will be shown as a secret agent in couple of films. couldn't recollect. Might not be bond material. But OK for his type of films and I don't think he would have given RP115 only due to JAI's films :roll: Anyway, let me stop here</dig>

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Originally Posted by raaja_rasigan

Jaishankar - A senior to Captain Vijayakanth :D

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appadi podu thuppakkiya :lol:

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Originally Posted by Sanjeevi

I was/am Jaishankar's fan. Don't you know once upon a time he was a threat to MGR. Since MGR had fear about him, he acted in Ragasiya police 115 to compete Jai's james bond type films. I liked Jai's Thunivae Thunai, Vallavnukku vallavan, etc, etc for his james bond thpe action only. And he was good in 100ku 100 too.

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<dig> :roll: Few of MGR early black and white films like 'Tharmam Thalai kaakkum' and all had this secret investigations things. MT will be shown as a secret agent in couple of films. couldn't recollect. Might not be bond material. But OK for his type of films and I don't think he would have given RP115 only due to JAI's films :roll: Anyway, let me stop here</dig>

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I believe so since Jai films tasted success commercially for action packed scrips on those days. I think Jaisankar has filled the very small timeline gap between MGR and Rajni for top mass hero place.

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Originally Posted by groucho070

Which one? That category can include Raja, Vaira Nenjam among others. Trouble is, NT's Bond type film tend to be character heavy since NT is playing the lead. Jai fits in well because the focus is the action and fast moving script. Yes, I liked Vallavanukku Vallavan too, and accept him as our Bond.

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We can very well include Thanga Surangam also to the list.....

Welcome back Groucho :)

Vallavanukku Vallavan is the movie with Asokan in the lead right (Or aayiram paarvaiyilE). Recall the qawali song with Asokan-Manohar and Savitri (pAradi kaNNE konjam). Gemini is the villain !!

The Jaishankar movie I recall is Vallavan Oruvan (paLingu naan oru MaaLigai)

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Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram

paLingu naan oru MaaLigai

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"paLinginAl oru mALigai" (lifted straight out of a 1930s Jazz classic).

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Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram

Vallavanukku Vallavan is the movie with Asokan in the lead right (Or aayiram paarvaiyilE). Recall the qawali song with Asokan-Manohar and Savitri (pAradi kaNNE konjam). Gemini is the villain !!

The Jaishankar movie I recall is Vallavan Oruvan (paLingu naan oru MaaLigai)

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Arrgh! PR!!! You ruined it for those who haven't seen it. That is the best kept secret in that movie :x

I shouldn't get emotional, the movie was out for four decades, I think :lol:

Yes, Rangan, Tangga Churangam is another Bond-styled movie. NT in top form there.

http://www.moserbaerhomevideo.com/mo...t.aspx?id=4409

wow....... Moserbaer has Andha Nal movie

:oops: @ groucho

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http://www.moserbaerhomevideo.com/movies_catagory_nt.aspx?id=4409

wow....... Moserbaer has Andha Nal movie

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:yes: :bluejump:

Welcome back Rakesh.

And well within few hours of your return, 2 pages got filled up, of course 50% of the credit goes to Makkal Kalaignar aka Thennagathu James Bond.

Dig << I was watching Naan Yaar Theriyumaa, a Bond type film of the late 60s and I was a school student. Jai exploring the villain's den would suddenly find the floor opening under his feet and would start sliding and reach a room and would be caged. A person sitting in front of me commented loudly."Ennaiyaa ivar James Bond,suddha Brooke Bond". The whole theatre burst out. >>End Digr

Back to NT and his Films.

Regards

PS: One NT movie in the 80s where Jai did a meaningful role was Kizhvaanam Sivakkum.

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:oops: @ groucho

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Originally Posted by raaja_rasigan

http://www.moserbaerhomevideo.com/movies_catagory_nt.aspx?id=4409

wow....... Moserbaer has Andha Nal movie

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:yes: :bluejump:

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Prabhu,

Day before yesterday, I had mentioned about this in my reply to Joe when we discussed about Pachhai Vilakku. Moser Baer had acquired the rights of not only Andha Naal, but all AVM movies and they have come out with VCDs of the same. While AVM had priced it in the region of Rs 250/- plus, Moser Baer is offering at an attractive price of less than Rs 40/-. You should be knowing the Moser Baer shop near Sangeetha at RA Puram, where I had seen the VCDs.

Regards