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Originally Posted by Nerd
one intresting trivia:
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On the season one DVD audio commentary, Vince Gilligan revealed that Jessie was originally going to die by the end of season one. However, they changed their minds after seeing Aaron Paul's performance.
LOL! What would you do with authenticity? Is this a documentary or a study? Its a study of characters, an excellent one at that, will all the limitations of a teleplay.Quote:
Originally Posted by kid-glove
BBS1E03 - the hostage thingi. Absolutely nothing happens. The dude craps/pees on a bucket, Walt fixes him a sandwich and they both watch paint dry together :lol2:
call it character establishment nerd..
i started getting bored with swift cut action scenes...
For a whole friggin episode? Walt is in a confused state of mind, does not know what to do even the next second. I got that, but why would you spend 30 mins to show that. I don't mean the alternative is fast cuts and fast forwards. But you gotta move the story bro. Anyway I retire from this conversation. I am sort of like 1 against 10 here.Quote:
Originally Posted by SoftSword
its not for or against...
the point is, the intial lag will all be forgetten once it gets going... and the 10 here believes that it will work for u...
MM and BB are different animals people. I myself have made the mistake of comparing but they are not the same sub-genre(if that's what the term is) to be compared. I wouldn't buy the argument from anybody who say MM is a waste of time. MM is certainly top quality stuff but not for everybody.
Nerd,
It begins with cleaning the remains, with a trip down to the anecdote of the young healthy version of him, mulling over elements of human body, how it doesn't all add up. The high school chemistry teacher, a quote-unquote moral person, Sloppy Mr.Chips himself, is on one level worthy of serious drama, but despite all that, with Cranston's casting (post-'Malcolm in the Middle' signature) is also very evidently a farce, from neuroticism of the performance, to formal-narrative choices. Seated on the toilet, doing pros and cons of the criminal act. The list :lol: On adjacent plane, It's a psychological drama. Here the magnitude is huge, the reasonably old Mr.Chips (made to grapple with the ever-shrinking finitude of life and insecurity of having to orphan a family, here again, it's important to note WW jr isn't treated a 'special' problem, monetarily or otherwise, important distinction I'd think) to have to engage in a serious crime, not minor felony. Spare me the luxury of having to identify with WW than DD, a life/war AwoL assumed identity to engage in infidelity despite having a sex-doll for a wife, like Marylin/Jackie/Barbie/Hepburn rolled into one. A prize trophy. Again here, there's nothing of a evolutionary arc, the next husband takes over the mantle, to take care of Barbie! You'll gather soon Peggy's empowering act is also compromised.
This part farce (again not to be assumed as limited slapstick), part serious interplay of tones and mood, IS worthy of consideration, sir. Someone who "gets" Coens, is expected to get past the dark-grey humour I say. :twisted:
And unlike you, I found it superior drama to have a one-room one-act suspense episode. The Fatality of the cold-blooded murderer. Making the pieces, upstairs-downstairs, to get back to do it, the utter necessity. I found this all supremely crafted. Not to forget, the spoiler: Krazy-8 is a undercover for DEA. End.
Hank reveals the realities of date-rape, Marijuana, single-mom skank (who reappears in following seasons). Here the boy is assuming the audience. The parallel to Walt's 'corruption' in the very episode, is the 'reality exposure' of worldly 'corruption' from Hank to Ww Jr. Yet, like the audience, this entire ordeal is 'cool' to Jr. But this isn't all the function of the scene, we see Hank isn't quite cut out to be a father, nor is Marie (who we later know to be nuts). This is of course the 'functioning' marriage in the film. Yet, on the outset, not quite a 'family'. We later see Hank-Marie to have a dynamic that's not quite on the outset. :clap:
Walt dissolves the bones. The chemistry class have 'Carbon' for the day. Then Gomez-Hank turn to Organic compound in white sachet. But, Of what compound is the soul? The anecdote closes in with young Walt conceding the mystery. But years have left over the wrinkles of doubts, but now, Walt will have to 'look past it'. Even if he had known the human being, to take that life away, despite 'getting to know', is what he will have to do. The time frame of one's morality a variable, but when it gets threatening to be a near-constant, it's not just a desperation. Maybe this taking of experience of living of another man, leads to the heart of darkness, that even the densest of literature hadn't mapped fully, but they 'try' to. BB, to my mind, compares with best of fiction. The length matters here. Absolutely matters to have episodic breakdown/metamorphosis. Like every page of a Russian literature, every minute matters here. Short fiction/Feature films OTOH, ungala partha paavama irukku :lol2:
BB doesn't do cloaked malarkey, eternally thankful I really Am(!). The past is a cipher, we start with the ordinary (not an exception, now that would be easy to throw parlor pscyhology like MM, controlled by the Patriarch), then go event by event, it doesn't only deal with PoV's, but also how the PoV's smudged and tampered.
Vittrunga sir please. :notworthy:
On Mad Men..
What you've managed to avoid in the post, is why I find it to be of lesser rewards than BB. The presupposed 'Study of characters' is more of a 'refraction', save for Don Drapper, who himself is fraught with patriarchal predications & man-handling of all the subjugated female characters (Who are again, filtered through desires and limitations of the male centre, again) from start to end. In a sense, this is the 'ideal' and wish-fulfilling alpha male, for hosts to follow the show. One is pithily made to 'crave' for the ideal, and not merely observe this man. If it weren't for the objectification of the female, I'd even give the infidelity some consideration of the kind that this is a 'flawed' portrayal. But how flawed could it be, if it's visually and stylistically endorsed? The only real thing going against him is the absent physical bravura. And yet you know more about the up-class uptight ideology presented by the near-absence, there's actually a sly, nasty connotation in Pryce vs Pete (a spoiler I wish to avoid), Draper vs Donald (Which you'll get to), it turns out to be a problematic look-down.
More glamour than authenticity is my 'dig' at the 'digs' the show uniformly stacks together. And in fact, I like it for the documentary aspects of it. One of my favourites, Adam Curtis, the maker of 'The Century of the self' (related to MM), breaks it down beautifully in the BBC article. I'd also argue this is a bit too on glamour endorsement, I'm getting to doubt if it's more hinged towards that. Now to turn a mirror on this, would be just fine, but something more of a filter, would enhance it. But when the filter is an endorsement, it turns into ideology. That aside, you are dealing with drama here. I'd been kind enough to say MM doesn't compare to BB, but if BB is 'watching paint dry', then MM is BB slowed 4 times over.
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Originally Posted by kid-glove
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Originally Posted by wizzy
One thing leading on to another, that this play toy is floating in *his* pool, owned by 'his' victim. It's on Walt, the dark force for lending that hand to 'his' family, and yet being the singular source to have triggered both the destruction, matched together by the visual schema. Good one VR :clap:
I feel too dirty to find a long post under my id. Thought you were disciplined enough for one good curfew, KG!
too much spoiler for someone in the mid of the series kg... :evil:
season 3 end is the best... whoa...
Yes. Absolutely.Quote:
Originally Posted by kid-glove
The symbolic representation of the toy's missing eye matches not only with Gus, but also with Gale. I find breaking bad close to American beauty, a relatively far more detailed canvas where one can keep spotting visceral observations like this and still dig for more. I am instantly reminded of Walt's brief injury in his right eye cavity courtesy Mike.
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KG, more of these long posts pliss..we will handle KG-2.
SS, jump to S5 already :lol:
work flow
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvnHHJAvQk0&feature=related
One of the most stunning images from bb is when the gasoline tank explodes in S3 E01. Cranston directed that episode and the explosion happens from within 60 feet and those guys didnt FLINCH. That take was an one time take, Hell hollywood beat that.
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Terminalo
As usual the cinematography is stunning!!! :bow:
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They're cropped, isn't BB more about (& VG in favour of) the wider aspect ratio..
Rian Johnson slow alienation of WW in the domestic sequences, up until the act. Post-Skyler's Pool act, they're never in harmony within the frame. Extreme close-up of the bareness and muted calmness of WW, the suggestion of violence, that 'thin red line'.
The episode book-ends this flagrant visual agitation with Skyler releasing the puff of smoke on to his half of the frame. And him alone in his room, the bomb is ticking..
I love KG2. KG1, most of what you posted did not make sense to me since I don't really care for BB. Its great, best ever, granted.
Reducing MM to just a character study wasn't what I was hinting at. 'Far Away Places' (remember the LSD/Road/Personal life trips of Roger/Don/Peggy?) for example is the kind of shite I am talking about. Everything was just unbelievably awesome in that episode. And you can't really box Mad Men into a certain 'style'. I mean I never expected they would do something like the Far Away Places ever. Just swept me off my feat.
As far as I've read in the threads, I haven't seen a mention about the brilliant music.
Somebody well-versed with American radio hits and all, please post a list of tracks used in the series. Or maybe the best ones?
That Espanol piece, especially:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0bJyr_67PA
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Nerd,
Point was to make sense of it all How MM's fabric works and how BB works. 'Far Away Places' is all kinds of awesome in terms of shifts and visual pleasures (both aspects BB have loads to offer, in its tour-de-force exponential arc. So when you don't pay attention to the graph in beginning, then you'd never catch it. so yes in a way, it requires one to 'care for' in its muted beginnings, when processed fully reveals that it's not muted at all.), but again very much part of the fabric I'm reluctant to mindlessly adulate, it deserves that pause and guarded appreciation. Because here again, the style is aestheticized, this unified mode of stylistics appreciated (mine included for the standards being maintained), but it doesn't work for the thematics. And liberating of Peggy (the only real feminine point of interest for me, considering the rest are all coordinated to the coda) is turned in to pleasing of the stranger. But of course, in every negation of the act, there's a pleasing in a more 'empowering' kind of way, but again, is this to say she's actually a repressed being. Roger's and Drapper's could be framed into Sathya_1979's 'system is functioning as expected'. So yes, I'd continue to shoehorn it into a problematic style in both visual, narrative and thematic choices. What interests me here, is apart from the obvious parallels in contrasts (for story telling), is in the documentary aspects. Mapping of the LSD experience to class and manners, as a documentation, to the wider post-Woodstock access in late 60's and early 70's (mapped by films of this period, Roger Corman, Dennis Hopper, Peter fonda, and Bob Rafelson).
I categorically disagree w.r.to Mad Men. On BB, thanks. I see your point and as I said earlier, I don't have anything to offer even in terms of criticisms because I have not seen enough. Will definitely go back to watching it again. Nest meet panren.
I categorically disregard disagreements.
Can't wait for tonight's episode, titled as ever with thematic weight, "Dead Freight"..
Dead Freight :bow: :bow:
no no, when something is good, i would love enjoy every bit and never want it to end...Quote:
Originally Posted by wizzy
s04e06 done :oops: weekend busy...
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Leaving out all the story, the performances and other parameters of making a movie what i like the most of in BB is how they film/show action on screen. No BS. No taking the viewer for granted.
Exactly. All other popular series tend to hit rock bottom in this aspect. Prison break for EG became a perarasu action movie in the 3rd and the 4th season.Quote:
Originally Posted by ajithfederer
i dono to compare as i have not much of the rest...
but the action sequences in BB were MB...
for instance, in the fly episode where walter accidentally falls from the top on a cylindrical metal tank and from there to the ground... so real... but only till that... i was only surprised to see no blood and he was up and working...
Cylindrical surphace wouldn't cause any cuts to the body. There's a minor bulge that's visible. cuts on Walt's face is reflected and carried on to subsequent episode really well..
I'm more than impressed, maybe even 'floored' by sound design and visual palette of BB
ya cut is ok, but an oldman of 50+ falling off from that height on to a metal tank and bouncing back to the ground on his face.. with not even a crack in his spectacles..
btw, i know this sounds like nitpicking... so let me stop here and speak abt what i came to say... ya... the actions scenes were unbelievably believable...
Isn't the shot itself constructed from a long pan, then tracked on to Walter. So there you go, Plausibles. It's all done in the shot, no added effect, is there?
'Action' in BB..
The gas/chemical explosions matched by a simple strangling in the basement.
Jesse/Walt vs Tuco/Hector :notworthy:
Cartel violence (indelibly registered flashback and modern day vengeance). Hank/DEA-related violence as a message & extent of depravity, in particular something on a moving tortoise :lol:
(non-verbal) Brothers and their legend in general, with the 'folk' ritual 'The Searchers'-like depiction, the Mexicans, for the most part, are muted from Hector and Cousins both literally and otherwise, they are the true 'Other'. Across the border, subsumed evil on level of Javier Bardem in NCFOM. The suspension is carried, to the 'hit', where the SMS is the 'pause'. The Fring-ed detour to Hank and the encounter in the car park. The audience are put in to discomfort, with immediacy of the action..
The urgency towards end of "Breaking bad" Season 4, is in its patterns and designs, not one to one, is one to n; n to one. It's not draughts, it's Chess. Jesse vs Walt.. (these cuts are carried over, plausibly, to the subsequent episodes)
Mike's action sequence(s), you'll find out, is very much staged like a late 60's/early 70's Boorman/Yates flick.
Above all, Heisenberg as a dark mythic figure, in all-Blacks, in the 'Western' territory. The baren landscape of Alburquque, as Pasolini would typify & countless other Westerns had explore, is no more deserted than one's house, or solititude of one's own soul. The numerous possibilities of endless space, where they're attired to not mask, but reveal their demoned soul. WW has already crossed with Fring (who again 'reveals' himself, the real him), Mike nearly crashes on to him this season.. The Truel scenario hasn't yet assumed itself, because Jesse is made to crawl, crouch, kneel and protect WW, who will be gradually unawared of this.
the crawling ritual scenes, though were made seriously, i could not stop thinkin of 'thedinen vandhadhu' as i already did mention... unintentionally funny for me... apart from that, i never felt rooted for them as i am not very convinced with what brought them into the story essentially... jus that tuco mentions, 'my cousins are on the way'... how is that important for them to take revenge on the ones who directly/indirectly killed tuco... what tuco means to them... etc., or maybe i could not get the insight of their characters... i am just speakin from how it works for me...
and the tortoise episode...
was that tortoise bomb arranged targetting hank? if not, who?
and the twins are associated/? with the other tortoise-gifting-guy who was later killed by gus's men?
kadhaiya olunga parkureengala illaiya..
http://breakingbad.wikia.com/wiki/Tortuga
As for twins avenging Tuco's death, idhu enna kelvi? :lol2:
Perusu (Hector) thaanE ellarayum valakkuraaru.. Perusu'ku odambu nalla irukkum bOdhu, Cartel'la periya thagudhi ullavar.. Caporegime, not Consiglieri, isn't this also clearly established in the flashback. Hector does what the Don wants to do. He does not advice the Don. Illaina Fring Hector-a uttu vechu iruppaara..
I'd any way suggest you to finish the 4th season and catch up with us, before you read the detailed synopsis.
:oops: andha turtle head episode mattum konjam kolappamaave irunch... i was thinkin on the lines of hank killed tuco, so it was a trick to shift him to el paso etc etc., so totally screwed it up... thanks... and wat a link that was..
wow just wow..best show of this season..nothing really stops this Walt train.. Lydia interrogation was nicely done and Mike's one liners were :lol:Quote:
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sample this
and Lydia's gall to ask for a percentage :lol2:Quote:
Everyone sounds like Meryl Streep with a gun to their head.
I knew something was amiss about this Todd guy..first he broke Mike's no q's rule and this final act to follow it up..suffice to say Walt has found a replacement for Mike-the enforcer in him..donno what gives with all those close up shots of Holly :(
its all spaghetti western in this episode.Quote:
Mike's action sequence(s), you'll find out, is very much staged like a late 60's/early 70's Boorman/Yates flick.
Action scenes in BB: I mean the clever use of Science in BB. Full of spoilers...
1. The first cook in the van gone wrong when Krazy88 are intoxiated by poisonous fumes.
2. The bath tub acid drowning.
3. Killing Krazy88(??) around the pillar.
4. Hank/Tuco shootout.
5. Tuco beating the shit out of his own guy.
6. Tuco/heisenberg meet
7. ATM on a guy's head.
8. The Kid killin the fat guy dealer(Jesse's friend)
9. Tortuga's Murder (Head severed and killing DEA's in a tortoise bomb0
10. The mid air collision
11. Walt runnin over 2 dealers/
12. Cousin's 3rd season epic truck blowout.
13. Gus walkin into open sniper fire.
14. Hank/Cousins parking lot shootout . My fav :bow:
15. Jesse killin Gale
16. The whole sequence from Hank trailing the RV and Walt calling Saul for help.
17. Hank beating Up jesse :lol:
18. Gus killin victor
19. Cartel's random attacks on Gus's crew.
20. Gus killin cartel crew.
21. Hector /walt killin Gus.
P.S: Jesse/walt physical fights in all seasons. And there are some elaborate heists and jamming police work stuff in there too.
There might have some scenes i have missed. Show me this variety elsewhere. And use of clever methods ricin in a cigarette, pipe bomb and lily of the valley.