Khan Saheb Kamal Haasan's Jamaat/Jeba Koottam/Devasthaanam - Part 8

jokes really apart - Denali is Kamal's revenge on the guilty bublik who punished his heyram.
dashavatharam is kamal's attempted revenge on producer gone wrong - the movie became a ittu.

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Originally Posted by P_R

Thridiots thenali both rejeetted

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That's like saying anbE sivam and thenAli are both not great films. Thenali ought to be an outright reject.

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Originally Posted by ajaybaskar

Thenali songs were kinda above average stuff. As VTV said, ARR was running thro a lean patch then (2001?). Thenali,Paarthaale,Baba and Parasuram were not upto the standards of ARR. There were some odd gems in those albums too but as a whole album, they were letdowns. He was back with a bang in 'Boys'

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For Rahman's standards, one has to say it's below average. It was not a lean patch per se in retrospect. thenAli was late 2000 but he also did Rhythm around the same time; Baba, pArththAlE etc. were in 2001 but he also did kannaththil the same year. But more importantly, he was doing some great stuff in Hindi these years, but I agree that it was odd to see Rahman churn out such indifferent stuff (especially stuff like Star, alli arjunA which seemed like he didn't even do them) for the first time.

But pOrkkaLam engE is of course a great song. I don't care much for the rest of the songs even if swAsamE is kinda pleasant.

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Originally Posted by equanimus

For Rahman's standards, one has to say it's below average. It was not a lean patch per se in retrospect. thenAli was late 2000 but he also did Rhythm around the same time; Baba, pArththAlE etc. were in 2001 but he also did kannaththil the same year. But more importantly, he was doing some great stuff in Hindi these years, but I agree that it was odd to see Rahman churn out such indifferent stuff (especially stuff like Star, alli arjunA which seemed like he didn't even do them) for the first time.

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At that point, it looked as if his hindi projects were taking precedence...The tamil albums save a few were grossly underwhelming ....

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Originally Posted by P_R

Thridiots thenali both rejeetted

Anyway thridiots is not intentionally lower - hirani template Adhu dhaan.
Was lovely in Munnabhai, blade after that

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ejjamble kudukkavE illayE...

All the savuthu remakes in Hindi.
amoorla appadi oNNum illai.

But you see the difference in 'feel' when watching the an SKV vs. a Dabang.

In 'Kamal - nam kaalaththu naayagan' there is an old interview by Equa's friend Gnani, who asks Kamal "aren't you - the intellectual Kamal Hassan - winking at the audience, when you are making SKV". And Kamal rejects it saying he is very sincere about those films and if he gave the impression to the audience that he was 'winking' then he would have failed as an actor.

In fact you can see that in the 'lesser' movies he makes. He is very earnest about it. There is little callous about them. Sure, there are odd moments - which are so ordinary that it is odd to see Kamal in the middle of that. But he himself exudes a sincerity and is kinda well-integrated.

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Originally Posted by P_R

All the savuthu remakes in Hindi.
amoorla appadi oNNum illai.

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Yeah, this is a recent phenomenon as such. I don't think there are good examples in Tamil cinema.

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Originally Posted by P_R

I hate Dabbang because it wants to kinda wink at the audience (look, I am bigger than the aesthetics of this movie, I am intentionally pandering, even borderline spoofing) and at the same time get the mileage out of the format. Unselected.

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This is of course an accurate charge on Dabangg. I didn't hate it, but didn't think it was anything more than passable. That said, there was something to the story of the two brothers (and the film also seemed sincere in these parts) in an old-school way (with some unusual elements like a twice-married mother), which I suspect didn't come through in the final film for whatever reasons. But I remember feeling that Abhinav Kashyap (who himself is a brother, of Anurag Kashyap one of the enfant terribles of Hindi cinema) was on to something here.

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Originally Posted by P_R

Equa's friend Gnani

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Hey, I don't hate him or anything. Not even that familiar with his writings. I just find some of his Tamil films-reated writings that are meant to be serious high-minded stuff, pretty superficial. He's also self-righteous when he talks about filmmakers which makes me wonder if he accesses art in a way I can even understand!

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Originally Posted by ajaybaskar

Thenali songs were kinda above average stuff. As VTV said, ARR was running thro a lean patch then (2001?). Thenali,Paarthaale,Baba and Parasuram were not upto the standards of ARR. There were some odd gems in those albums too but as a whole album, they were letdowns. He was back with a bang in 'Boys'

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Disagree on Baba - Sakthi Kodu, Baba Kichu Kichutha, the Dasettan song, enna koracha? In fact, i like these songs more than some of Rahman's other successful songs for Rajni/Shankar

"மனிதன் உணர்ந்துகொள்ள இது மனிதக்காதல் அல்ல" என்பவன் எந்த ஆஸ்பத்திரியில் இருந்து வர்ரான் ந்னு பாக்கணும்.
- குணா பற்றின கேள்வியின் போது.

கே:- காதல் போனா இன்னொரு காதல் ன்னு சொல்ரீங்களே இது சரியா
பதில்:- அப்படி சொல்ரவன் யாருன்னு பாருங்க. அவன் வட்டிக்கு விட்டு வசூல் செய்யுறவன். ஒண்ணு இல்லேன்னா இன்னொண்ணுக்கு போயிட்டே இருப்பான்

:clap: to staying honest to the caricatures in so called lessser movies like Vasool Raja MBBS!

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Originally Posted by Bala (Karthik)

Disagree on Baba - Sakthi Kodu, Baba Kichu Kichutha, the Dasettan song, enna koracha? In fact, i like these songs more than some of Rahman's other successful songs for Rajni/Shankar

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+1, and you mean Jeyachandran songs?

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Originally Posted by groucho070

+1, and you mean Jeyachandran songs?

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Oh is it? :oops:

Actually Baba padame enakku oru soft corner, lighta. Especially Rajini's appearance, characterization (if you discount the obvious superhero distractions). Oru madhiri free-a senjirukkara madhiri thonum. To me, it's > Baasha, Padayappa etc...

Equa, summA oru idhukku sonnEn.

You were on the money when you said Gnani doesn't have any opinion about mainstream cinema in the first place. And that was reflected in his expectation in the question to Kamal back in the 80s, couched in a "பெரிய intellectual 'ம்க்றீர், இப்படியாபட்ட படமெல்லாம் பண்றீரே...சும்மா தானே?" expectation (one of the more interesting interviews in the book though).

சிறுபத்திரிக்கை உலகம் அப்படி தான்.You kinda understand why they say what they say.
In fact there is an old interview where K.Balachander responds to interviewers Balakumaran-Subramanya Raju, saying: "நீங்க எல்லாம் ஆளுக்கு அம்பது ரூபா போட்டு மாசாமாசம் பத்திரிக்கை கொண்டு வந்துடலாம், சினிமா அப்படி இல்லை." Not a new POV. But He said that without condescension or with a feeling of artistic inadequacy (i.e. the complusion to pander). The tone of the answer was be matter of fact.

And the old kaNaiyAzhi reviews go straight to Satyajit Ray, Adoor etc. ஸென்ஸிபிள்' ன்ற வார்த்தை அடிக்கடி தட்டுப்படும் :lol2:

Kamal's views were always clearly anchored to 'popular aesthetic'. Something that is often missed.

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Originally Posted by Bala (Karthik)

Actually Baba padame enakku oru soft corner, lighta. Especially Rajini's appearance, characterization (if you discount the obvious superhero distractions). Oru madhiri free-a senjirukkara madhiri thonum. .

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Yeah but the film had an overarching tackiness, amateurish making.

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Originally Posted by Bala (Karthik)

Actually Baba padame enakku oru soft corner, lighta. Especially Rajini's appearance, characterization (if you discount the obvious superhero distractions). Oru madhiri free-a senjirukkara madhiri thonum. To me, it's > Baasha, Padayappa etc...

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Remba nAlA ithathAn koovikittirunthEn, I got kambeni, yay!

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Originally Posted by Bala (Karthik)

Disagree on Baba - Sakthi Kodu, Baba Kichu Kichutha, the Dasettan song, enna koracha? In fact, i like these songs more than some of Rahman's other successful songs for Rajni/Shankar

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Yes, I've to clarify that I also didn't mean to classify Baba as an indifferent work (though I don't think it's top rack material for ARR). I quite like some of the songs here, but even besides that, I don't think the songs sound indifferent like "injerungo," "mUnRezhuththu kettavArththai" (leave aside the rehashed songs).

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Originally Posted by Bala (Karthik)

the Dasettan song

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And Jayachandran, no?

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Originally Posted by groucho070

Thenali and Avvai Shanmugi are examples of how remakes can be better (than Hollywood in this case).

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from now ur opinion on international films were dead to someone alive and kicking...

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Originally Posted by equanimus

But pOrkkaLam engE is of course a great song. I don't care much for the rest of the songs even if swAsamE is kinda pleasant.

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solla vandhaen...
watta beauty... my favorite..

+1. I like Rajni-gounder in this film. Their pairing is too good. Nalla fantasy subject-ae kottai vittutaanga.

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Originally Posted by Bala (Karthik)

Actually Baba padame enakku oru soft corner, lighta. Especially Rajini's appearance, characterization (if you discount the obvious superhero distractions). Oru madhiri free-a senjirukkara madhiri thonum.

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Originally Posted by equanimus

But pOrkkaLam engE is of course a great song. I don't care much for the rest of the songs even if swAsamE is kinda pleasant.

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கொஞ்ச நாட்களுக்கு முன்பு சுவாசமே பாடலை ரோஷன் சிலாகித்து எழுதியிருந்தார். அதுவும் பாலு பாடிய விதத்தை. மெலடி என்ற அடிப்படையில் மட்டுமே "போர்க்களம் எங்கே" பாடல் உயர்ந்த இடத்திற்கு சுலபமாக போய்விடுகிறது போலத் தெரிகிறது. சுவாசமே சுவாசமே, குறிப்பாக இஞ்சாருங்கோ பாடலில் வரும் வாத்தியக்கருவிகள், தெனாலி பாடல் - ஷங்கர் மகாதேவன் குரலில் வெளிப்படும் பயம், அத்தினி சித்தினி பாடலின் சரணங்களின் அமைப்பு- எல்லாவற்றிலும் ரஹ்மானின் முத்திரைகள் நிறைய.

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Originally Posted by venkkiram

கொஞ்ச நாட்களுக்கு முன்பு சுவாசமே பாடலை ரோஷன் சிலாகித்து எழுதியிருந்தார். அதுவும் பாலு பாடிய விதத்தை. மெலடி என்ற அடிப்படையில் மட்டுமே "போர்க்களம் எங்கே" பாடல் உயர்ந்த இடத்திற்கு சுலபமாக போய்விடுகிறது போலத் தெரிகிறது. சுவாசமே சுவாசமே, குறிப்பாக இஞ்சாருங்கோ பாடலில் வரும் வாத்தியக்கருவிகள், தெனாலி பாடல் - ஷங்கர் மகாதேவன் குரலில் வெளிப்படும் பயம், அத்தினி சித்தினி பாடலின் சரணங்களின் அமைப்பு- எல்லாவற்றிலும் ரஹ்மானின் முத்திரைகள் நிறைய.

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My problem with Athini sithini is for some unknown reason in the interlude he lets hariharan scream to his heart's content - showed some lack of imagination there.

http://cbfcindia.gov.in/html/uniquep...ey&Type=search

Search Result
Movie Name : HEY RAM (Celluloid)
Movie Language : TAMIL
Movie Category : A (Restricted to adults)
Certified by Regional Office : CHENNAI
Certificate No. : CIL/3/0163/1999-CHE
Certificate Date : 30/12/1999
Certified Length 5476.50 Mts
Name of Producer : M/S RAAJKAMAL FILMS INTERNATIONAL
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No. Description Guide Line
1 7 Jagannathan's Bedroom. Dr. tells Ram that he is in good health. Dr, Ramamurthy is offended.
2 8 Ranada Library Ram realises that he is subtly insulted. He confronts with Dr. Ramamurthy
3 12 Trimmings done in tent pegging scene
4 14 Check post sequence deleted
5 16 Subash Goel and Uppili Iyengar's checking in at Marina Hotel deleted
6 16 The corridor of Marina Hotel (scene between Subash Goel, Uppili Iyengar and Saket Ram with the Inspector in the background is deleted)
7 2 Delete the word 'Bloody' uttered by the Hero in the dialogue 'Bloody Sindhi' (RETAINED SILENT) 2(xii)
8 3a In the intimate sequence, delete the visual of hero lying on the ground parting his legs and inviting the heroine towards him 2(vii)
9 3b Delete the visuals of the body movements of the couple under the blanket suggesting copulation 2(vii)
10 7a Delete the dialogue between Ambujam and Yagnam "Indha Gandhi Vilayattellam .....Udambu kedamatakkunu Niruthiduvar". 2(xviii)

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11 7b Delete the word 'Semifiction' uttered by the hero (RETAINED SILENT) 2(xviii)
12 7c Delete the dialogue of Yagnam "sexual apparatus is not below the belt' 2(vii)
13 7d Delete the dialogues of Dr. Yagyam, Veda & Ramamurthy commencing from 'According to Sigmond Froid orutharoda....upto Gandhi Poyittarna Indiavukku Libido kidaichiduma yenna avar than nationukkey father' 2(vii) & 2(xviii)
14 7e Delete the following dialogues uttered by Ram, Vasanthi, Yagyam & Vedha "Adhu enna kalki avadharama Gandhi...ivarai enna panrathu Perukkaratha, kazhikkaratha, vagukkaratha' 2(xviii)
15 7f Delete the dialogue uttered by hero and mythili commencing from 'iyarkai naama vazhnal poora paal sapitunde irukanum.....thavidum punnakkum poda arambichiduvaa' 2(ix)
16 8 Delete the dialogue of Ram 'Andha pall illak kuzhandhai Mahatmavai....periyava naamthan mudivu pannanum' 2(xii) & 2(xviii)
17 9 Delete the dialogue of Abhayankar 'Nadagathin Kadhanayagi Bharathamath, Kadhanayagar Mahatma Gandhi, Nadagathin peru' appa amma vilayattu' (REPLACED with the annoucement of a public radio saying "Now you will have the direct broadcast of the speech by the First Prime Minister of India, Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru 2(xviii)
18 10 Delete the word 'Mahatmavai suthi' from the dialogue uttered by Ram (RETAINED SILENT) 2(xii) & 2(xviii)
19 12a Entire graphic visual of Gandhi showering Goldcoins, for raising a plant with thorns (kallichedi0 followed by islamic flag Should be modified and shown only as the view point of Abhayankar' (REPLACED with approved modified visual with Abhayankar's dialogue 2(xii) 2(xiii) & 2(xviii)
20 12b Modify the visuals of Gandhi being fired at visually particularly deleting the visual of lotus 2(xii) & 2(Viii)

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21 12c In the intimate sequence delete the ecstacy sound given by Mythili (RETAINED SILENT) 2(Vii)
22 13 Delete the close visual of horse with blood on its face after shooting 2(iii)c
23 16 Delete the dialogue of pimp 'Ava kadaintah kadaichalla vennaiyaa midhakkara' (The entire dialogue of the pimp has been deleted) 2(Vii)
24 17 Delete the dialogue of the pimp 'Payyan Ponnu, Mirugam...." (RETAINED SILENT) 2(Viii)
25 18 Delete the dialogue of Amjad and Ram commencing from 'Un Rama chandra moorthiye.....En Ramani pathi paesina sethae' (RETAINED SILENT) 2(xii)
26 19 Delete the dialogue of Delhi Ganesh 'Pajamavai avizhthu paatha therium' (RETAINED SILENT) 2(Vii)

Kamal @ Vijay Awards, Semma Mass!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXDkrDMl_y4

censor panna dialogue scenes ellaam romba interestinga irukku... uncut cut onnu release pannugappa... viswaroop kooda apramaa paatthukkalaam..

Thank you Sakala.
I remember hearing many of these lines in the theatre!

Who is Yagnam? YG Mahendran?
Who is Ramamurthy? :oops:

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Originally Posted by venkkiram

கொஞ்ச நாட்களுக்கு முன்பு சுவாசமே பாடலை ரோஷன் சிலாகித்து எழுதியிருந்தார். அதுவும் பாலு பாடிய விதத்தை. மெலடி என்ற அடிப்படையில் மட்டுமே "போர்க்களம் எங்கே" பாடல் உயர்ந்த இடத்திற்கு சுலபமாக போய்விடுகிறது போலத் தெரிகிறது.

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Venki, Swasamae ellaam legendary stuff. Tune, interludes, orchestration, rendition ellaam master class. The percussions, piano work, brief appearance of single veena in the interlude after 1st Charanam are all 'karpanaikku appaal' stuff. And as I said before SPB has given everything that's possible for this song and you cannot ask for anythign more from him. This is one of my all time favourite numbers of AR.

And in Baba kichu kichu thaa Rahman speaks 'Rajini style' dialogues with his orchestration. Mind blowing !! And again it's SPB :)

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https://twitter.com/TamilMoviesUS/st...15163972935680
Tamil Cinema NA Box Office (USA & CANADA)-
Top 10 highest grossing movies in NA(USA&Canada) are listed based on movies grossed over $300K.Tkt price & num of locations aren't same

https://twitter.com/TamilMoviesUS/st...15748411441152
1.Endhiran
2.Dasavatharam
3.7am arivu
4.Sivaji
5.Nanban
6.Raavanan
7.Mankatha
8.Kandasamy
9.Vinnaithandi Varuvaya
10.Manmadhan Ambu

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So MMA BO is not that bad :)

Kamal, again was a part of 'Phone a friend, today - but this time for the Malayalam version of NVOK.

He assisted Actor Jayaram and his wife, Parvathy. Suresh Gopi is the host of the show.

kamal correc aa answer pannaara ilaiya ? :roll:

Would be great if someone can post the link of Kamal answering...His phone a friend in tamil was very enjoyable

which channel?

http://images.behindwoods.com/photo-...han-kamal.html

KAMAL WITH AACHARIYANGAL DIRECTOR HARSHAVARDHAN - IMAGES

20 photos..

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...21769090_n.jpg

Obviously he did answer correctly. The question was, "Which Kurosawa movie was based on Shakespeare's Macbeth?"

Video not uploaded yet in the youtube. Retelecast at 9.30 AM today Asianet

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Originally Posted by Arvind Srinivasan

Would be great if someone can post the link of Kamal answering...His phone a friend in tamil was very enjoyable

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fKYQUH_qHM
46TH MINUTE ON WORDS

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Originally Posted by dell_gt

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fKYQUH_qHM
46TH MINUTE ON WORDS

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Thanks there, Dell

shamshayamE illA, don't doubt Kamal maaaan.....thanks Dell...