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What? People can call IR arrogant just because he has a different opinion to theirs. I canlt call people arrogant for saying that anyone who doesn't agree with their opinion is arrogant. If my post is deleted, delete all posts attacking IR's character. Enakku nyaayam vENum. Nyaayam kaavaali. I demand justice. Why this double standards? Mujhe insaaf chaahiye. Nange nyaaya beku. Enikku vENum jusdice. Why is our society like this? And how come such arrogance by people calling those with different opinion as arrogant is not condemned? Manasaatchi work paNdradhillayaa peopleku? I just don't understand.

@Plum and suresh - with you 100% on this..

I was intrigued by IR's requirement of the 108-piece orchestra! why 108 in particular ??!

this afternoon, I was chatting with a jazz musician / singer neighbor of mine, who was enquiring 'so what is going on with your maestro's music these days ?!' and I told her abt NEPV, Angel Studios and the 108 piece orchestra!

and she goes "ah! 108 huh ? isn't that a sacred number in India ? we did 108 sun salutations (surya namaskar) on solstice day - maybe your maestro used the 108 piece orchestra for the same auspicious reason!"

i was flummoxed - did some research and found this - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/108_(number)

so did IR have a non-musical 'reason' for a 108-piece orchestra for NEPV ??

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Originally Posted by irir123

I was intrigued by IR's requirement of the 108-piece orchestra! why 108 in particular ??!

this afternoon, I was chatting with a jazz musician / singer neighbor of mine, who was enquiring 'so what is going on with your maestro's music these days ?!' and I told her abt NEPV, Angel Studios and the 108 piece orchestra!

and she goes "ah! 108 huh ? isn't that a sacred number in India ? we did 108 sun salutations (surya namaskar) on solstice day - maybe your maestro used the 108 piece orchestra for the same auspicious reason!"

i was flummoxed - did some research and found this - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/108_(number)

so did IR have a non-musical 'reason' for a 108-piece orchestra for NEPV ??

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Hope it's not true!

if it is, that's crazy...Paavam Producer! :sigh2: mottai adi , maattina nalla!

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Originally Posted by irir123

I was intrigued by IR's requirement of the 108-piece orchestra! why 108 in particular ??!

this afternoon, I was chatting with a jazz musician / singer neighbor of mine, who was enquiring 'so what is going on with your maestro's music these days ?!' and I told her abt NEPV, Angel Studios and the 108 piece orchestra!

and she goes "ah! 108 huh ? isn't that a sacred number in India ? we did 108 sun salutations (surya namaskar) on solstice day - maybe your maestro used the 108 piece orchestra for the same auspicious reason!"

i was flummoxed - did some research and found this - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/108_(number)

so did IR have a non-musical 'reason' for a 108-piece orchestra for NEPV ??

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I believe its not related to that and as per my understanding about IR, He used to do whatever he thought and wont relate the thoughts to anything. as a fans and others we are relating and get surprised abt it.

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Originally Posted by Devaraagam

as a fans and others we are relating and get surprised abt it.

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yes. What it is, I believe the main reason should be intentional grand orchestration. baroque why hard reactions, are you one of producers? they know value of money and value of music also

San_k,

I also posted as 'HOPE IT'S NOT TRUE!'

With the disclaimer that I have respect for legends like MSV, still I rate Raja several notches above MSV. For me Raja is the most original composer around and not MSV who had to rely on his assistants like Henry, Joseph Krishna, Govatdhanam master and other western grammaphone records to compose music esp for “modern muaic “ . Proof : Me who have witnessed few recorsing sessions . I request pammalar to dig out the “thirumbi paarkiren” series of late director Sridhar in Kalki where he explained the music composing process of MSV in one of his films “veNNiRAdai”? MSV used to pick one record from a stack of records before him and play to Sridhar for him to select and may be he developes the main melody with the approved foreign tune as base. But I learnt that was the norm those days esp for modern tunes

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Originally Posted by thumburu

With the disclaimer that I have respect for legends like MSV, still I rate Raja several notches above MSV. For me Raja is the most original composer around and not MSV who had to rely on his assistants like Henry, Joseph Krishna, Govatdhanam master and other western grammaphone records to compose music esp for “modern muaic “ . Proof : Me who have witnessed few recorsing sessions . I request pammalar to dig out the “thirumbi paarkiren” series of late director Sridhar in Kalki where he explained the music composing process of MSV in one of his films “veNNiRAdai”? MSV used to pick one record from a stack of records before him and play to Sridhar for him to select and may be he developes the main melody with the approved foreign tune as base. But I learnt that was the norm those days esp for modern tunes

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playing devil's advocate here - probably our person has memorized all the western songs and plays the one "he" has chosen to the diretakkar.

thumburu,

It was probably a norm those days that the music director was generally the tune smith and he had assistant(s) who did the orchestration. In some case the music directors were a duo in which case one did the tune and the other the orchestration, generally. Jaikishan was supposed to very good at orchestration (those he also did tune) and Shankar did the tunes well. Similarly I think Ramamurthy did the orchestration in the Vishwanathan Ramamurthy combine. Pugazhendi did most of the orchestration for K V Mahadevan. You can see the consistency in KVM's songs because Pugazhendi was with him till KVM breathed his last. We all know that Raja himself has done lot of orchestration for G K Venkatesh. Other famous examples include Jaidev, himself a great music director, who was an assistant for S D Burman and Gulam Mohammed (who gave music for 'Pakeezah' and 'Mirza Ghalib') had worked as assistant to Naushad. Even R D Burman, who was good in orchestration, had others like Manohari helping him in orchestration. (I think Sapan-Jagmohan) were also R D B's assistants. So in this case MSV was not alone.

Raja, that way, is a very unique music director in Indian film industry. Someone who writes every bar of his music. I have heard that Salil Da also used to write most of his music but I don't have confirmation on it. That is one reason why a lot of talented music directors, like Sarath for example, as in awe of Raja. And so are others who have interacted with him. In the 'Nothing But The Wind' concert, Uttam Singh mentioned that he had done arrangement for music directors like Naushad, Madanmohan etc but has never seen anyone like Raja who can do everything. That is one reason there is a consistency in Raja's music even though his style kept changing over the years.

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playing devil's advocate here - probably our person has memorized all the western songs and plays the one "he" has chosen to the diretakkar.

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allov ellOrum nallavare politeness personified MSV advocate, as I hail from the metric stream, ingrained in my bloodstream, the more in house memory capacity and reproducing ability, the more the chances of qualifying the candidate with flying colors whether it is exam or appointment . So is it any surprise Raja scores over copy book reference seeking MSV ?

Ayyayyoo!
After reading GVM comments in Hindu about 'NEPV release date shifted to September', NEPV should not ultimately become like Nandhalalaa (OR) Mayilu!
From this context, I feel GVM has 'cleverly' planned the release of his bigger films before NEPV as a mitigation for retaining his own market (just in case the NEPV bubble bursts). I am sorry! this thought is coming to my mind for the past few days....

Anyway let us hope for the best!

Does this mean, the audio release will also be postponed?

V_S,

From what I heard, No. The music release must happen in July. The film release is postponed not the music release.

baroque, as the guy who brought in Bharathi, I feel obliged to respond.

Compare paNNadhukkE kOchuguneengaLE :lol2:

I think Suresh put the point across more succinctly than I managed to - that had he been around now and there was a bulletin board like this, he'd be discussed like this too.
As you may know, he was criticized during his time for not sticking to poetic conventions (both in form and content). Indeed there are very critical studies of Bharathi now that question even the veracity of his social outlook. (I am not saying it isw right, but the very existence of contrary opinion means something, right?).

And where the people he arrogantly dismissed all contemptible? Definitely no. His நடிப்பு சுதேசிகள் is a indictment of the moderates in the Congress. Just because they didn't share his sense of urgency and methods- which we can't even say was well founded -he chooses to roundly poetically diss them. We enjoy the poetry because it rises above the particular nature of the context.

We can perhaps discuss in the bharathi thread. silapala vedigundugaL veesa vasadhiyA irukkum :lol2:

PR, plis to do the honours.

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Anyway, I don't have any insider track to tackle any of the things you mentioned so I'm out of this.

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Senthil sir,

Me definitely have no insider connection :-)

ellAmE veRum kEttaRivu (of TFM for > 4 decades) maRRum padiththaRivu (mostly in the tfmpage / hub & TN tabloids / kumudam / vikatan) mattum dhAn :-)

nanRi thumburu & Sureshji for substantiating my hypothesis :-)

Now, a small caveat (to this "IR-is-greatest-IFM-composer" thingy) :
He often needed "catalysts" to bring out the best in him. While there had been great songs / scores for some kuppai movies & directors too, it is irrefutable that he was consistently better when working with talents like BR-MR who had good ears for music or otherwise & could trigger the creative fountains inside IR.

That way, this Gautam association is very keenly anticipated!

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Purely my personal view: from an artistic point of view Raja in music is on par with Bharathi in poetry.

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Personal-ஆ நீங்க அப்படி நினைச்சா போதுமா? இதை நீங்க தகுந்த தரவுகள் தந்து நிறுவணும். ஒரு rigourous ஆய்வு முன்வைக்கப்படாத வரை, என்னைப் போன்றோர் இதை ஏற்றுக்கொள்வது கடினம். ராஜா தான் greater!

raj & vijayr are still in that MSV discussion on BRangan's blog :-)

Interesting to see R Sundarrajan being dragged in ( i.e. like IRF's feeling he shouldn't be compared with MSV, MRF's can also feel he shouldn't be compared with Gautam it seems).

R Sundarrajan is not a correct comparison as he was far from someone "sticking to IR or only modern" :lol2:

His first film was with IR - payaNangaL mudivadhillai.

Second?
With KVM!

andha rAththirikku sAtchi illai, with that beautiful song 'ethir pArththEn iLankiLiya kANalliyE' (raaga.com erroneously mentions S-G as the MDs :-( It was an agmark KVM song)

Then he came back to IR for nAn pAdum pAdal. He did another with KVM, 'thoongAtha kaNNinRu onRu'.

So, it was no big deal that he did one with MSV, sugamAna rAgangaL.

Ofcourse, RS was the director for MTK where MSV-IR combo happened for the first time.

So, wrong comparison - nalla vELai BRangan didn't take that route, making Gautam = RS :-)

Because Bharathi's work is done in selfless manner, does mean it has to be better than someone else's art and cannot be compared. Can I argue his work is not better than an another freedom fighter poet who never wrote an apology letter to British in the fear of being in Jail?.

Bharathi's penury is because of his time. In an earlier era it was the norm for artists to be supported by Kings. At the turn of the centuries with printing, publishing and slow ground-gaining of the European model there was a distant dreamy possibility of being financially your own man. Bharathi was caught in the cusp. His temperament was unsuited to work as a court poet composing lurid (yes lurid!) songs for the ettaiyapuram zamindar for financial sustenance. He hints at his regret for having to do that (Bharathi Krishnakumar's recent book arundhavappanRi is about this dark phase in Bharathi's life). He mentions it in his long poem suyasaridhai.

Then in fits and starts he tries to be his own man. He has ambitious plans for publishing and collecting money from people. Doesn't work. He has infrequent sundry patrons but wallows without support. The only time he had a steady stream of revenue when he was working in magazines like swadesamithran.

The same ettayapuram zamin whom he thought poorly of he praises to the sky for money. He writes many a- what is knowns as - seettukkavi, pleading, literally begging for financial support and singing disproportionate songs of praise about the 'King'.

Someone whom he paints even a slightly dirty caricature (thinly disguised), in his short story chinna-sankaran kadhai.

Even his Panchali sabatham is dedicated to 'poets and the patrons who will support them' (i.e. he hasn't got faith that a publication business will take off yet)

He wrote senthamizh naadennum pOdhinilE not on his own accord - it was for a contest on that theme organized by the madurai tamil sanham - which had a good cash prize (his detractors use that to claim, the lines were thus insincere. We need not necessarily conclude so. But it is useful to acknowledge the context anyway).

To be allowed to reenter kadayanallur, he had to write a clemency plea to the local British administrator stating he would be on good behaviour. He did. It was around the same time when he wrote achchamillai achchamillai. Is the former going to colour your opinion about the latter? Doesn't the poem just scintillate anyway?

Contemporaries have ripped apart Bharathi's lack of சொல், பொருள், காலம், யாப்பு mix-ups. He may claim he did it intentionally as a rule-breaking. But he is fair game if someone uses that for lack of control. On what basis do we evaluate 'prowess'?

If we are to take the influence on people/masses...really we'd be overstating the possible reach - I say this with no disrespect. It is fact of the possible reach and technology.

If we are talking about content. Sure, phenomenal. Even in content and outlook he has written many lines that could be unsavoury.

So, if I were to play devil's advocate, I could make many such points.

And lastly: just to be clear I am NOT myself comparing the two artists. It is as apples-oranges as it can get! I was invoking that simply as a way of framing, looking at kalai-cherukku. How I cringe when Raja says something but then I smile when I hear such things about Bharathi!

And even here, I don't even recommend that as a universal framework. Merely stating my personal musing. That's all.

-matter over-

indha visaaranaiyil pala unmaigal velivaruginaranaa... sabaas...
pr, oru thani thread pottu relevant things ellaam anga eludhalaamae...

"ஆ நீங்க அப்படி நினைச்சா போதுமா? இதை நீங்க தகுந்த தரவுகள் தந்து நிறுவணும். ஒரு rigourous ஆய்வு முன்வைக்கப்படாத வரை, என்னைப் போன்றோர் இதை ஏற்றுக்கொள்வது கடினம். ராஜா தான் greater!"

equa,
ஏற்கனவே இங்க எம் எஸ் வீ - ராஜா வாய்க்கா தகராறு. இதுக்கு மேல கைய புடிச்சு இழுக்க வேண்டாமுன்னு அப்படி சொன்னேன். தீர யோசித்தா நான் உங்க கருத்தோட உடன்படுறேன். ஒரு அளவுக்கு அத நிறுவமும் முடியும். ஆனா பஞ்சாயத்துக்கு இப்போ கைவசம் சமயம் குறைவு. அதனால இங்கயே விட்டுடுறேன்.

What is very irritating to me is using specific attributes to place Raja higher in any comparison. These attributes are varied based on the person he is compared to. Just few of pages ago, MSV was put-down because his orchestration capabilities are not as good as Raja's.

Now IR-Bharathi... I am not sure IR and Bharathi can be even compared. Different personalities, totally different era and excelled in different fields.

However there are couple things that go in favor of Bharathi (first one has been already pointed out by baroque)
1. Most of his work was not done for any monetary gain. Compared to what ARR and others make now, IR was not paid what his music is worth, but what ever it was, he did work for monetary gain.
2. Bharathi is considered as revolutionary poet (not only in terms of content, but more in terms of style). Tamil poems are referred to as before and after Bharathi. IR can not be used as the before/after benchmark...He mostly stuck to the format and style used by his predecessors. He is the first or only one used lot of WCM elements - that's the only difference IMHO. Majority consider ARR as the before/after benchmark in TFM as well as IFM. (There were people who were using ARR style/technique before Roja, but ARR happened to be the one who took it to the masses)

Again these are specific attributes and can manipulated to show different results, so I am not interested in any debate.

Whether IR will be revered like Bharathi only future will tell. But HCIR fans in this forum and other places are trying very hard to make that happen.

yeah.. thanks for bringing a good point.

Bharathi is a pioneer of PUDHU KAVIDHAI! :thumbsup:

C.RAMACHANDRA, S.D.BURMAN, MSV-TKR etc.. all have done different styles of music.

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Whether IR will be revered like Bharathi only future will tell. But HCIR fans in this forum and other places are trying very hard to make that happen.

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Let them try....

One step at a time for me...
I hope IR of 2012 will give couple of compositions in NEPV for me to revere or go awe like Ninaivellam Nithya or Agni natchathiram!:musicsmile:

when I admire needhane pon vasantham...NN,
I admire Kavingar Vairamuthu and Bala equally and thank them for being there for IR!:ty:

I am a content fan, IR!

vinatha

genesis,
There were, are & will be comparisons very many in the world. It can't be helped.

Depending upon either the facts or the comparing person's bias, one will be upped and the other downed or sometimes shown equal :lol2:

And, it all depends upon the reading person's bias whether to get irritated or thrilled :wink:

Coming to those in this thread in recent times :

Comparing Bharathi & IR is quite far-fetched IMHO.
oruththar iyal - innoruththar isai, reNdu pErun vevvERu kAlaththavar; ippadi pala vidhangaLil the parametric differences abound.

The only similarities seem to be: (a) both are creative artists from TN (b) both with historic skill levels in respective fields (c) both with gnAnachcherukku.

OTOH, I feel the comparison between MSV & IR on their artistic skills isn't that much off the mark.
Parametric similarities are too many and the differences betwen the compared individuals is negligible on many but considerable on some. Some observations are based on facts and others based on bias. Matter simble, why kolaveRi on that? :-)

That way, BRangan using MSV as a benchmark is not too far-fetched. As long as he is willing to take the criticisms on the critic in the right spirit (and not arrogantly slight the posters as dimwits who can't appreciate poo-peN), it could pave for some interesting interchange of minds.

Wait for a month or so for the mother of all comparisons :wink:

VTV v/s NEPV :lol:

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He mostly stuck to the format and style used by his predecessors. He is the first or only one used lot of WCM elements - that's the only difference IMHO. Majority consider ARR as the before/after benchmark in TFM as well as IFM.

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It's that simple as you pointed out. Well done! I would like take this opportunity to add to your excellent quotes. Even in WCM he has not done anything. He didn't do anything in folk. He didn't do anything in Indian Classical music. He didn't do anything in contemporary music. He didn't invent new sounds. I would say, he does not know music and he has not done anything. We all forgot one thing. There is no one called Ilaiyaraaja and that's why it is very wrong to compare against MSV sir. Now I am remembering everything. Roja came in 1976 followed by Puthiya mugam. That's the best way to put it.

App,

I used to think one common thing with IR and bharathi. GUTS to talk and do what they think.


However I do not want to compare orange and apple because I like both :)

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genesis,
There were, are & will be comparisons very many in the world. It can't be helped.

Depending upon either the facts or the comparing person's bias, one will be upped and the other downed or sometimes shown equal :lol2:

And, it all depends upon the reading person's bias whether to get irritated or thrilled :wink:

Coming to those in this thread in recent times :

Comparing Bharathi & IR is quite far-fetched IMHO.
oruththar iyal - innoruththar isai, reNdu pErun vevvERu kAlaththavar; ippadi pala vidhangaLil the parametric differences abound.

The only similarities seem to be: (a) both are creative artists from TN (b) both with historic skill levels in respective fields (c) both with gnAnachcherukku.

OTOH, I feel the comparison between MSV & IR on their artistic skills isn't that much off the mark.
Parametric similarities are too many and the differences betwen the compared individuals is negligible on many but considerable on some. Some observations are based on facts and others based on bias. Matter simble, why kolaveRi on that? :-)

That way, BRangan using MSV as a benchmark is not too far-fetched. As long as he is willing to take the criticisms on the critic in the right spirit (and not arrogantly slight the posters as dimwits who can't appreciate poo-peN), it could pave for some interesting interchange of minds.

Wait for a month or so for the mother of all comparisons :wink:

VTV v/s NEPV :lol:

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app - I am not complaining about comparison - but how it is done. Yeah, you are right about bias. HCIRF fans get irritated whenever an unbiased opinion is expressed. That person get immediately stamped as "IR hater", "Hidden Agenda", "ARR Fan' etc etc.

I am very sure NEPV will be rated very high in this forum. I will judge based on whether GVM will ever go back to IR.

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I am very sure NEPV will be rated very high in this forum.

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You have said this a hundred times and we get the point. You judging the reaction now itself is as bad as HCRF already deciding that NEPV is a landmark album. Give us a break.

I am not interested in the comparsion either. The reason I brought it up has been completely missed. Perhaps I couldn't elucidate this clearly enough.
But I found some points amusing, so I'll respond anyway..

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1. Most of his work was not done for any monetary gain. Compared to what ARR and others make now, IR was not paid what his music is worth, but what ever it was, he did work for monetary gain.

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:lol2: Who decides what is 'worth'?? I mean, how can we say, latter day works he (or Rahman for that matter) were paid their 'worth'. IR-Bharathi compaison-ai vida indha meesic-money comparison kashtam illaiyA?

And what if a particular song was composed for the 'labor of love'. It becomes a category by itself to be judged differently??

And what is 'doing it for money'? An exact one-to-one quid-pro-quo?
I said how that is not poets operated back then. I gave examples of how bharathi's time was such that it was still not out of the puravalar-pulavar model of financial arrangements.

Did 'who pay' influence his work? I gave examples of how Bharathi has done that and gone about to regret it.
In music, it is scarcely discernible, no? If you are alleging that what MDs do, do not reflect what they want to do- but merely what they choose to sell, we are still evaluating the scale of achievement in the final output, right? (Of course Raja will grumble 'I wasted my life in films etc.', adhai paththi namakku enna?)

Classical musicians got paid for concerts. Classical composers had patrons. So, are we going to discount them?

Or is it 'sufferance of penury' that makes Bharathi shine? Tagore was from one of the richest families of Bengal. IlangovadigaL was the brother of a King.

I do get your point about the virtue of 'selflessness' but we talking about sheer artistic achievement here, aren't we? In fact the precise words Kamal used were: "bhaaradhikku nigaraana oru talent-nE solluvEn"

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2. Bharathi is considered as revolutionary poet (not only in terms of content, but more in terms of style). Tamil poems are referred to as before and after Bharathi. IR can not be used as the before/after benchmark...He mostly stuck to the format and style used by his predecessors. He is the first or only one used lot of WCM elements - that's the only difference IMHO. Majority consider ARR as the before/after benchmark in TFM as well as IFM. (There were people who were using ARR style/technique before Roja, but ARR happened to be the one who took it to the masses)

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idhellAm vishayam therinjavanga, neenga ellAm pEsikkunga.


Just to clarify one last time: I was NOT trying to equate the two ('Hanumanukkum Bruce-Lee-kum saNdai vandhA yAr jeyippAnga'-nnu chinna kuzhandhaigaL kEkkura mAdhiri). I was merely giving it as an example of how 'cute' arrogance looks when it is in past and we look at it with the glow of admiration.

enna kaiya pudichu izhuthiyA?

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Originally Posted by genesis

Whether IR will be revered like Bharathi only future will tell.

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Kamal: un chellappettiya kANamnu solliNdrindhiyOlliyO
Delhi Ganesh: aamaam
Kamal: ....kaaNOm
DG: idhaiyE dhaan aadhyam naan sonnEn

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Originally Posted by genesis

HCIRF fans get irritated whenever an unbiased opinion is expressed. That person get immediately stamped as "IR hater", "Hidden Agenda", "ARR Fan' etc etc.
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I am very sure NEPV will be rated very high in this forum.

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pAttu ellAm guppy-yA irukkum. ivanga ellArum summA blindA aahaa-oohoo 'mbAnga appadinnu enna oru unbiased anticipation!

Yuvar pAdinadhukku yERkanavE silapEr thitteetaanga. Dunno if you had a chance to notice all that.
andha gaandharva kural-la naalu pAttA-nu, nAttula palar peedhiyila irukkAnga.

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Originally Posted by genesis

I will judge based on whether GVM will ever go back to IR.

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pOga mAttArunga. Do vitruvaar.
aduththa padam Joshua Sridhar.
adhanaal, aRiyappadum needhi yaadhenil....

P_R,

I already bailed myself out. Just what I expected...my arguments are being manipulated to make them irrelevant or even worse wrong.

I brought in monetary comparison just to indicate whatever it may be, but it was not a selfless act. On second point, Bharthi's work was just done by himself. Movie songs are mostly team work. Arrogance does not help to be a good team player.

My "unbiased" comment about NEPV review is based on what I have seen in this forum for last 4-5 years, not a prediction. I am sure at least few HCIR fans will say Yuvan's voice is the best choice for that song/situation and IR's genius in using his voice etc etc..... (I just hope Yuvan is not trying to do a Alphons Joseph number for his dad)

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P_R,

I already bailed myself out. Arrogance does not help to be a good team player.

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genesis,
Please don't take me wrong. You have irritated us to the core by your posts. If you have already bailed out, what is the need to say this 'arrogance thing about IR. We can't take anymore such stuff from you. If you think movie songs is about team work, let it be as your thoughts. Just because of that, you can't blame IR as arrogance since he is not operating in that way. I don't know why suddenly every one is targeting IR like this. Is he your relative or he does he owe you anything? You have been listening to his songs right from 80s and you have no complaints till 92, and someone else is making music in a different way, you want this genius to follow the same way as others, otherwise he is arrogant. Please don't spam this thread and inject poison in every post of yours. If you don't like his music, please feel free to stay away. We cannot take this any longer.

I also demand you to remove your post on IR's arrogance, which is totally unwarranted. Enough is enough! I can't stand a genius like Ilaiyaraaja to be treated in such a bad way, if not for his music! He does not deserve all this! Very sorry Raja for you!

TeamworkA? That's not how he operates 'nRadhu chinna kuzhandhaikku kooda theriyumE :-)
HR orientation ellAm attend paNNaNum pOlagudhE!

Brando, Kubrick ellArumE 'tough to work with' reputation uLLAvanga. So?

V_S, cool down X 3.
padam varra varaikkum ippadi yEdhAvadhu pEsittu iruppOmE.

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Originally Posted by genesis

P_R,

I already bailed myself out. Just what I expected...my arguments are being manipulated to make them irrelevant or even worse wrong.

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Hmm... didn't get what I did. Thiruppi pOyi padichchu pArththEn.

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I brought in monetary comparison just to indicate whatever it may be, but it was not a selfless act.

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I specifically mentioned that I do get ur 'selflessness' argument, didn't I? Just that it is irrelevant to the point

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Originally Posted by V_S

genesis,
Please don't take me wrong. You have irritated us to the core by your posts. If you have already bailed out, what is the need to say this 'arrogance thing about IR. We can't take anymore such stuff from you. If you think movie songs is about team work, let it be as your thoughts. Just because of that, you can't blame IR as arrogance since he is not operating in that way. I don't know why suddenly every one is targeting IR like this. Is he your relative or he does he owe you anything? You have been listening to his songs right from 80s and you have no complaints till 92, and someone else is making music in a different way, you want this genius to follow the same way as others, otherwise he is arrogant. Please don't spam this thread and inject poison in every post of yours. If you don't like his music, please feel free to stay away. We cannot take this any longer.

I also demand you to remove your post on IR's arrogance, which is totally unwarranted. Enough is enough! I can't stand a genius like Ilaiyaraaja to be treated in such a bad way, if not for his music! He does not deserve all this! Very sorry Raja for you!

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Oh Oh, I am sorry V_S. I keep on forgetting this forum is a virtual temple for IR devotees only and there is no place for "non-believers" like me. My comments on IR are making this holy place dirty. It needs to be immediately cleaned up.

FYI, I did not bring up the arrogance into the discussion. I think it was P_R comparing IR and Bharathi. I commented why Bharathi can afford arrogance and IR can not. For the matter of fact, I do not think IR is arrogant.

P-R - Can you please ban me? I think lot many people will be happy here. (I will be too)

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Originally Posted by P_R

TeamworkA? That's not how he operates 'nRadhu chinna kuzhandhaikku kooda theriyumE :-)
HR orientation ellAm attend paNNaNum pOlagudhE!

Brando, Kubrick ellArumE 'tough to work with' reputation uLLAvanga. So?

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"Tough to work" does not necessarily mean arrogance. You are again cleverly diverting!! I am tired of this game.