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Rajdes, TISK has more than hinted at IR's behaviour in this matter. His exact words after reading tamilcinema report was "IR did more than this!". To me thats not an innuendo but close to an allegation and hence my response. And he mentioned about this issue long before it appeared in tamilcinema, about 1 or 2 months back. At that time I didnt write anything about that issue here, but could feel that he was hinting at something. And apart from TISK, rajasaranam who has met Fr.Jegath has also said that all is not well. So I wonder why you would have to ask me specifically. And more recently multinamatheyan above has also added more in this regard. My instant reaction to their posts fueled by the sympathy I have for TISK's efforts is justified(atleast in my mind) and I cant help it if you happen to perceive it(my comment on Sanjeevi's post which encourages everyone to close their eyes and pretend everything is fine even after the affected party has posted otherwise) as an unfair slur on IR which I didnt intend it to be that way(My comment could be read as "even if IR had really done something wrong he need not worry as long as fans like you are there"). And you also know very well, having seen me post in other threads,that if I want to diss or criticize IR for anything I will do that directly rather than doing it via criticizing some HCIRF's posts. If I think IR is a jerk I will say so without mincing any words. And in this case, even an intended slur on IR might not be all that unfair considering what I have read and heard so far from all around the net and from what I have heard of IR even before the TIS issue.

Kiru,

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The Money collected by TM Has been clearly indicated while There is no such Specifics for money collected by TIS-USA. any reason TISK :? Kovamo varuthamo pada vaendam Unga mela nambikkai irukku . Summa therinjikalaamnu oru aarvathula kaetkiraen :)

to cry_sandiego -if the reverse had happened, i.e. if there was a tamilcinema report that TM had sold all the rights without IR's knowledge and had left IR in the lurch - would you have still asked us to ignore everything and move on? TIS dhaan vandhaache, IR yemaandha enna, kashtapatta enna'nnu vittuduveengaLa? I am sure you would have raised an issue about it in this forum. So now when IR is not the victim, you want everyone to ignore the issue and move on happily, unmindful of the fact that some of those responsible for the accomplishment are still suffering.

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The main beneficiaries in this controversy are Tamil Mayam and TIS-USA since they risk going into oblivion if they do not trumpet their contribution to TIS. So they need to keep this issue alive to get maximum 'mileage' out of TIS (mileage is recognition and more funds to fulfill their own agenda). TM has made its gains from this project, not monetarily but in terms of what they can achieve in future. TISK is either a loser or wants more.

IR has done his bit and if TIS survives beyond fifty years, it will carry his name and not TIS-USA or TM. A very similar relationship as Manikavasagar and the madurai king.

Manikavasagr was given vast sum of money and was directed by the king to proceed to the east coast and procure quality horses that were being traded there. Instead Manikavasagar adopted the life of a mendicant, and spent all his wealth renovating the temple at Tirupperunturai dedicated to Shiva. The king, upon seeing no sign of the promised horses or his esteemed chief minister, sent out emissaries in search and was enraged to hear of what had happened. Manikavasagar was admonished and condemned to be tortured.

Who is more important, the king or manikavasagar?

vijayr,

the reverse doesn't work the way you mention.

The true reversal of position, is if TM release TIS with their name as composers and not IR. In which case even you would cry foul!!!

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if IR spent his money to make TIS and TM sells the rights for the product without IR's knowledge and make profits. in which case also you wouldl cry foul!!!

MSK,
I am not jumping into any conclusions about IR. But I am really upset and angered by what I am reading. I am more than 100% certain Father and TISK are not happy with the way things are being handled. I dont even have time to post here. But I made an effort to create the group because I feel the people who donated to TIS are in the right in asking how the money was spent and what is happening to the proceeds of the sales.

Your analogy with Katrina relief and other organizations is incorrect. Any agency that is accepting donations as a non-profit has their accounts audited by IRS. I am under the impression TIS-USA and Tamil Mayyam are also non-profits more or less. Or atleast, that is the impression the public were given based on statements like the proceeds will be spent for Music college, Tsunamic etc. This is where the legal angle gets murky. Anyways, surely the money was spent on producing TIS, but the proceeds royalties, commissions etc should also be accounted for . Moreover since, production money has been raised through personal loans as well and it is owed by TIS Foundation and TM to their loaners. So these two outfits need enough tools/instruments (like copyrights) to leverage the sale proceeds and settle the debts.

I am not sure whether I have the energy to carry through the legal action or not. But I will surely enable it. I pay for what I think is the right thing to do. If I donated for TIS, I will donate for legal action so that TM and TIS-USA get their due rights. Even if legal action is delayed/not feasible, there are other mechanisms like campaigning for boycott of albums, writing to the press etc.

Believe me my friend, I am really angered and upset :-(

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Originally Posted by cry_sandiego

The problem arises, only when you helped TiS team/project for anything other than listening to and enjoy the Album.

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MSK,

My objectives for donating to this project were two fold

- The album must come out (happened), and I am grateful for that
- TM/TIS-USA must breakeven (looks like didn't happen, and based on what is looming, doesn't look good)
- Anything else +ve is a bonus.

I have read/heard on what Fr. and TISK went through to materialize this project.

There are also reports that the project is a big success in terms of hype and demand. Sales figures are hazy, but in theory must be good.

Originally, SaReGaMa was supposed to market this product - suddenly out of no where WellGate comes out to market.

From a personal perspective, I got a copy of the CD at my house, but I am not very happy seeing how Fr/TISK. Even more than a great musician, my towering respect for IR was for the person he was. Like several others had pointed out, unless TISK/Fr/IR say something, we are all speculating - but I don't have a very good feeling about this situation. In Dr. Vijay's mail in IR Groups, Fr has clearly indicated that there was a difference of opinion between TM and IR in terms of marketing.

IR is usually a person who goes in terms of 'my way - take it or leave it'. I actually used to admire him for that, since it is straight and no-nonsense. But it won't work for this project, since it has been publicly funded - and people are neck deep in loans. Perhaps, TM made a mistake by not working out the legalities upfront. May be because of the stature and respect IR commanded. I am clear that I cannot speak much without full knowledge, which is why my request that IR/Fr/TISK come out with a statement soon.

Perhaps TISK/Fr are waiting for an opportune time to make out a statement - but my request for them is to please come out with the state of affairs now.

Personally, I don't have anything more to do with this project since it has released. I also don't care what happens with the profit. But it really pains me to see Fr/TISK in trouble (come to think of it, AFAIK, their sole motive with this project is to help IR realize his dream). Like Kiru mentioned sometime back, I find it very difficult to listen to IR's works now. Even when I subconsciously start singing TiS, I stop singing once this awareness pops-in.

Your post was logically well rooted, but it doesn't help me... I guess I'll just wait to see what materializes. :cry:

Dear Kiru, I have watched with growing concern your emotional response to this issue. we have had interesting discussions in the past. If you are angry, it is best to take a break from this, calm down and re-evaluate issues. If you still feel that you have reasons to act on the injustice you percieve, then take effective steps to address them, if you think you have to take it upon yourself.

You said that you have stopped listening to IR's music since you heard about this. The music you experience is greater than the person who creates the music. IR himself has claimed that he is not greater than music.

please ignore this post if you think it doesn't make sense.

Kavin, thanks man..I have been angered so many times in these forums, but have never showed my anger or indulged in any flame wars. This time it is a different situation. I have DECIDED to express my anger. My anger is representative of the anger in the fan/TIS supporter base.
I have not taken it 'upon myself'. These sort of things are possble only if more than one person feels so. So that is why the Yahoo groups is a start.
I want people who feel something needs to be done on this account to join the group. I dont think it is going to get confrontational at the very outset. I am also waiting for Dr.Vijay to intervene on this. He has already talked to Father. Hopefully, he will get IR's attention as well and something will happen. Meanwhile, whoever is interested can join the group and see what we can do.

My feelings are not exactly different from Deepak's. I do love music, but I am not as big a lover of music like Nero...(I am probably exaggerating but you get the drift )