thiruvasakam in symphony

Kiru Dude,

Anger is not a good sign. It distorts the picture and makes it worse that what it really is.. I am sure you are my age and anger does not help when you get old :-) .. not good for the health as well.. Plus take it from me ( i have seen soooooooooooo many ups and downs in my life ).on this.. when we are angry - we are definitely on the wrong side ( sad but True )

Anyway, if am so surprised that you were expecting , IR ,TM would be so professional as an after the fact.. - if they were, then their modus operandi would have been completely different. And moroever, if you were so particular, why did you not research before you invested your timewhy did you not check their IRS tax exemption status, their gnA policies before donating your $$..
Why did you not check with their legal/auditing team about their spending plan and marketing research and revenue distribution plan before donating your $$. I may sound like very indifferent to your feelings and anger here.. but keep your anger aside, your sympathy for those involved ( TISK and others ) aside and think logically..you will see the answer.

You were a mad ( musically i mean ) fan ( like me and many of us here ) who was very interested in TiS seeing daylight and so you helped/donated/contributed whatever w/o asking any questions.. You got what you asked for and you are not getting what you did not ask for.

No point in getting angry my friend... TISK and others may be financially impacted/disturbed but it is not the end of the world.. Nothing goes without an effect ! If IR/TM/TIS-USA had done something wrong justice will see daylight sooner or later..

And when the parties involved are not crying aloud here what is the point in you getting so worked up on this.. ( i laughed when you said you do not have time but spent time writing here and creating yahoo groups ! ) - ( by the way, are you expecting the Yahoo groups to abide by all ethical rules and conduct for public forums/email groups.. if someine in the group does soemthing bad, are you going to start another yahoo group asking that person and threaten them that you are going to sue them..

By these actions, Now again you are in the same loop.. You are jumping in to support a group that you believe is affected without any conditions or researching the real facts .. and at the end you are going to say, I invested my time to help them but the did not acknwledge/share the benefits.. ( I know I am stretching my analogy a bit... but i hope you get the point )

Take it easy my friend... You are getting worried over issues in which you/we have any insight or involvement !


Cheers
MSK

MSK,

All the contributions to TiS, be it monetary or otherwise, was done in good faith and good will. All the volunteers gave of their time for the same reasons you have quoted. So now to come and ask 'where is the paththiram', 'what was the equity' is like a slap in the face.

I know that's how the world works. But that was not the spirit of this project.

Everyone who assumed that I too was reacting to the TamilCinema.com article:

Wrong. The article did not come as surprise to me. I had even stopped visiting this thread for a long time - I used to check this thread several times a day. I only happened to check it yesterday after a long time, and after thinking it over, decided to post today.

Kavin:

All your comments are good and reflect what I would have posted had I not known better. The sad thing is there will never be another such project. So hope you are enjoying Chidambaraththil Oru Appasamy - it's probably good. I haven't listened to it.

rajasaranam:

I made two different donations both through TiS-USA. And both these donations are listed on the link you gave. So I think it is a comprehensive list. May be others who gave through TiS-USA can check and see if their names are there as well.

All:

My only gripe is the way the distribution was botched up because someone happened to get greedy or control-freakish or both. If it had been done properly, everyone would have gotten their money back and more.

You only need to scroll back on this thread to see the complaints from distributors about lack of supplies etc. On top of that the foreign market was completely ignored.

May be I should adopt MSK's philosophy of 'I got my CD who cares what else happened' and go get a good night's sleep.

Apathy is probably a good thing. At least it should help one’s mental health.

mnt

Hello deepakkt,

I used to be like you ! When i find that someone is doing wrong, i hated everything that was involved with them.. Your experience of not being able to enjoy IR's music is very typical of how i was several years ago !..

But no way have learned to very logical and get emotionally attached only when required..

I see that problem with many from our region ( you know what i mean here ).. Extrapolating that if a person is good/talented in something then he is an epitome of everything good in life.. how can that be..

For ex, If MXR is a sucessful actor, then he should be a successful political leader ! if a person is very literate and makes good speeches, then he shoul;d be a very good leader ! what's this logic.

I am not saying anything about IR's character as i do not know and i just do not care ! I like his music. Period. I could care less if he is a crook in his life or a mahatma.. If he is good that is good for him.. if he is bad then so will be the effects to him.. ( There is a saying in tamil that has very deep meaning and good relevance here - Theethum Nandrum pirar thara Vaara !! )

So remove that image that a musical genius will be a genius in everything else..Even if you know for sure that he is not in your good " ethical/character" books.. just listen to his music for the music.

Are you going to not laugh at a Comedian's joke if in real life he is a depressed/cynical person.. have you read " Charlie Chaplin's biography ". !

Anyways, my 2 cents !

Cheers
MSK

< MSK,

All the contributions to TiS, be it monetary or otherwise, was done in good faith and good will. All the volunteers gave of their time for the same reasons you have quoted. So now to come and ask 'where is the paththiram', 'what was the equity' is like a slap in the face.>

If the expectations were the ones listed by me, then where is the "slap" .? you got the CD you loved to hear. Thiruvasagam is atleast a little more prevelant and talked about than it was a year ago. Same thing with Tamil too.

So where is the slap.? If you helped/contributed in good intention then you should not be expecting anything in return.. that's good intention .!or a voluntary contribution.... If you were so close to TM/IR that you would borrow huge loans to help them then it is your personal affair..between the three of you .. nothing to be discussed in public here as none of us know what the hell happened.

All I can say is it's a very noble deed and no good deed goes unrewarded.. I pray to god in good faith.. I cannot sue God when things go in a way that i perceive as wrong !


If it was a legal transaction, then again we need not discuss as Law will take its course ( albeit slow )

I am done guys.. I will come back when you guys are ready to talk about Music..


thanks
MSK

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Originally Posted by kavin

I bought my Thiruvasagam CD in UK this week released by Ramiy Records which comes with buy one and get one free. The free CD is ThiruvaNamalai Ramanamaalai by IR.

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Ramiy Records is 100% pirated stuff. They DO NOT have any legal copyright for any CDs. Period.

Kavin, your comparison with Manickavaasagar is so laughable I am not even going to respond.

"The true reversal of position, is if TM release TIS with their name as composers and not IR. In which case even you would cry foul!!!
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So, if you read a report that said TM sells the rights without IR's knowledge and IR is surprised and in deep debt, you will just ignore and move on happily, right? vera yevanaavadhu kaadhula poo suththi iruppaan, avan kitta poyi sollunga.

Dear all,
Pl. excuse me for my silence for the last few days. I was trying to get a message from fr.J and finally was able to!
It has since been uploaded in our site http://www.tis-usa.com/blog/index.html.

I thank all of you for youe positive and constructive feed backs and request you sincerely to leave this at this time to take its own course and help us in any way to get the remaining 2,500 CD's with us in USA to move to close this great chapter with satisfaction to everyone concerned.

Corporates with Indian CEO's or influential people may be approached to make this as a 'group-buy' for their employees during the coming holiday season. If anyone knows a 'good link' to citibank, pl. send me a mail. This can be a valuable promotional tool for them. Any other ideas also, pl. feel free to share it here.

I will be posting a detailed accont info. on our site shortly.
And, again, a big Thanks to all of you!

YIA!!

Excuse me for the typo's!
'youe'--'your'
'acconts'-- 'accounts'

YIA!!

TISK, thanks for the letter. The pain in his voice is evident throughout the mail. I can only hope and help in whatever little way I can to make the situation better.

There is nothing to talk anymore. It is very clear that IR CHEATED TM. Either he master planned it or he did it based on the other sorrounding factor. Eitherway IR cheated TM, TIS-USA.

I am ashamed of myself being an IR fan.