thiruvasakam in symphony

Now i know who the real "Polla Vinaiyen" is . Wont be able to listen to to TIS again in my life. :x

TISK,

The link you gave doesnt open up directly. Hence Iam reposting Fr.'s Message here.

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Originally Posted by Fr.Jegath

Dear Friends,

This mail pertains to a news item that appeared in some web based magazine and sites with regard to Thiruvasagam and UK distribution rights, and the resultant confusion among the fans.

At the outset I wish to underline some important things. Ilaiyaraaja Yahoo Groups for me has been a great and enriching experience of life. In many a respect. I can never forget the passionate and proactive support it gave for the TIS project. What brings this group together and gives relevance to it are the common affection and appreciation you all have for the great musical genius of Maestro Ilaiyaraaja and his stupendous contributions to music. This aspect has to be kept in mind in all our discussions and discerning. Without an inch of hesitation I can state that like you I am proud to live at a time when the Maestro lived and his musical genius is undoubtedly unparalleled. However his musical genius does not make him God and we should ensure to give him the freedom and space to be a human being with the inherent human frailties and failures. Seen from this perspective, I am sure our judgments will be better and charitable even if there are problems with regard to individuals and projects, in our case – Thiruvasagam in Symphony. Even such judgments will be contested from protagonist and antagonist points of view. That is fine. But such a clarity will again ensure that none of these would diminish the musical respect we have for this great genius.

Now about this news on Thiruvasagam and UK rights, I really do not know. I heard people in the film industry talking about it. However I must also admit that no overseas distribution arrangement has been agreed so far (except Malaysia and Singapore) between Tamil Maiyam and Maestro. Reasons, I don’t intend to discuss in public. (Tamil Maiyam and Ilaiyaraaja Trust are holding joint copy rights, that too only for Tamil. Tamil Maiyam doesn’t have rights for tracks or interpolation in to other languages). The agreement was signed under duress as IR had total control and possession of the tracks. The release of the album became our foremost concern and we had to agree to sign a contract prepared by his auditor. The original contract which we had signed at the start of the project had to be given up under such a situation. The only oral agreement we had on overseas distribution was to send 8000 CDs to TIS-USA under Dr.Sankar Kumar to settle the loans they had incurred to complete this magnum opus. It is indeed hurting and a crying shame for me personally and for Tamil Maiyam that these decent people in the USA were first asked by us to help, borrow and then dumped with CDs to sell and save themselves.

Right now what I can tell you is, for a project in which we worked for three years, invested almost 1.5 crores – much of it through loans, and moved heaven and hell to make it a success, - what we have received from the distribution company – Welgate so far is only Rs. 5 lakhs. But for the sponsors we would be in a gravely serious crisis. So friends if you really care help us to sell some more CDs. Again Welgate was not our choice. Our choices were either Sony or Sarigama. Both were willing to release the album and the basics of the agreement had all been negotiated when IR insisted on Welgate.

Personally I may feel betrayed, insulted or humiliated and continue to have sleepless nights about the huge remaining debts. That’s OK. After all Thiruvasagam is a great project. We all made it a success. It has touched the souls of so many. Generations will relish this masterpiece.

Above all, I believe we are all mature human beings and we should respect ourselves by transcending. I have transcended. Truth always has the capacity to speak for itself, in time and for ever.

My only pain is that people like Dr. Sankar Kumar and the TIS-USA team who really put their time and credibility in the project went unrecognized.

My prayers are: Our burden of debts should be minimized quickly. You should all remain positive to the core objectives of Ilaiyaraaja Yahoo Groups – his music, and music alone.

Thank you. God bless us all.

Cordially,
Rev. Jegath Gaspar Raj.

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IR kutramatravar ena vaathittavargal engae selveergal?

Vin thaandi uyarnthu nirkkum Thiruthanthai Jegath avargalukku,
Nandrigal koadi.
Sarithiram Raajavai mattumae ninaivil vaikkalaam. Aanal oru sarithira naayaganayum manikkum parantha idhayam konda ungalai naangal potruvom.
Netrikan thirapinum kutram kutramae ena... seeri ezhuvathu mattum tamizhar panpaadu alla
Inna seithaarai oruthal avar naana nannayam seithu vidal enbathum tamizhar panpaadae enbathai ninaivu paduthiyamaikku nandri.
Intha manithanukka naam rasigargal ena Kutra unarvil nenjam thavithaalum...avar Isaiyum kaalamum nam kayangalai aatra vallathu ena nambuvom.
ungal vaarathaigal ninaivil ullana ' Thiruvaasagam Porulathaara reethiyil vetri petraal Ithae pol aaru maathathukku oru murai Oru Isai virunthu padaikka mudiyum' ....
Namathu Izhappin valigalin udae Puthiya vazhigalai kandadaivom. Ungal muyarchigal vaetru thisaigalil payanapadavum vetri peravum vazhthukkal.

Kaneer peruginaalum innum rajasaranam than.

Can anything be done abou this. This needs to come in magazines and newspapers , how can this be made public.

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Originally Posted by sats

Can anything be done abou this. This needs to come in magazines and newspapers , how can this be made public.

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There is no need for that. The man and organisation who were stabbed at the back themselves have shown their magnanimity towards this issue. His letter was intended to make us show the same kind of attitude - 'transcending ourselves'. The first time I heard TIS was like a spiritual experience for me as I said earlier in this forum. And now just one Letter from father has given me a spriritual awakening.

And If you are from the other camp you are invited to enjoy the feast of our side's miserable state :twisted:

If the link doesn't work, pl. go to the main site www.tis-usa.com and then, click on the 'blog' to see the mail.

I have a request. Please see to it that TiS doesn't suffer by this development. It is a great piece and it is our endeavor that the CD doesn't go out of your minds.

Thanks.

YIA!!

vijayr, one of the purpose was for it to be laughable and lighten the mood. and your reverse logic doesn't make sense.

TISK wants 2500 more CDs to sell, please all those who are pained and feel the sympathy please ensure the sales of those CDs. If the intention is to sell the CDs, then one can attempt to do so by not smearing someone's character. It is pretty shameful. Since the very beginning, there has been this persistent plea for donations and funds. Wonder when this will stop, lets see if we will see the end when these CDs are sold.

Fr Jegath's letter doesn't give any authentic facts in terms of how much donation was recieved from people, how much was recieved in terms of sponsorship deals. neither does it give any facts on what was the initial agreement and what changed later. He still moans about personal loans and sleepless nights without giving any details about it either. The cost of production seems to increase every couple of months, now it is 1.5 crores.

The letter instead is couched in a language of ambiguity, to feed more speculations and allowing people to take sides. It is sad to see that TM and TIS-USA didn't get more than what they expected from this venture. Instead have been left to continue to work towards breaking even monetarily.

It appears in the end, TM's and TIS-USA's role was only to generate funds for the production and didn't really have any thing to do with post production rights. I wonder if in their initial agreement they were told to take personal loans, anyway, they did and that seems to be a misjudgement on their part. Well even this loans bit, it is only as true as they say, no further evidence to prove these claims.

TIS-USA were given 8000 CDs to sell and make up their investment which is very business like in approach. They may have also been given a specific time frame to complete the sales (giving them a head start). Assuming that they are able to sell them at the average rate of 10 dollars each, they will make $80000. this is approximately rupees 3000000. There are about 350 people on the donor list and at the average rate of $100 each, it makes $35000 +/- 5000 which is Rs 1400000.

Speculations and more speculations. A very effective ploy in keeping interest of people alive. Wonder how many in this forum heard Fr Gaspar's speech in FETNA. you can access it in the link above tis-usa blog. i am keen to hear your comments.

"vijayr, one of the purpose was for it to be laughable and lighten the mood. "

well, actually all of your posts are like that whether you intend it to be that way or not, especially the one where you have asked TM to pay royalty to IR. That one takes the cake.

There is no doubt that TM and TIS-USA are unhappy with the deal they have got. But that doesn't automatically mean that IR is responsible or that he is a cheater. this is also known as spurious association. Did TM and TIS-USA misunderstand their role in this production? Unlike film music where IR's service in music is bought with money, TIS is IR's project and TM only came forward to help produce it and promised to generate funds. they don't own the music like the producers of film music do. Somewhere they failed to do their homework and seem to be disappointed with the outcome.

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Originally Posted by vijayr

"vijayr, one of the purpose was for it to be laughable and lighten the mood. "

well, actually all of your posts are like that whether you intend it to be that way or not, especially the one where you have asked TM to pay royalty to IR. That one takes the cake.

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:thumbsup: :rotfl:

a fitting reply to Kavin's Blind faith on IR.

Kavin,

If you have not understood even an iota of Fr.Jegath's Letter keep speculating and Believing IR is clean and keep amusing us with such posts of yours :)

viyajr, the royalty TM have to pay is gratitude. For being given an opportunity to take part in this venture. roll on the floor laughing!